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ParticipantThe talking heads and pundits who talk about them at all, cause let’s face it it’s Carolina and nobody gives a fuck, talk about how they run 4 lines, they are all hard working, north/south guys and they play an “even better” team defense than Florida does. On paper they should be a better shut down team than Florida.
Ah ok, I see what you’re saying. Honestly, I havent seen any of the canes games and no idea how their play is structured and I havent heard too many peeps talk about them. However, I dont listen to a lot of talking heads outside of kyper and bourne and the Overdrive guys and anytime they discuss a non canadian team…I kinda just switch the channel. LOL
All I know, is the canes are rocking without Rant but they have Freddy in net…so at anytime….they could implode
Oh, shit, the Severn River is incredible. My Uncle had a cottage near the Big Chute, I absolutely LOVED spending time up there!
Cush29
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Fake – I think the problem (or the why to what you find funny) is these 2 guys just default to Marner to set up Matthews when they play together for the most part, if they were more of a 2 headed threat to score then teams would have a much harder time to defend them but they simply aren’t and IMO never will be.Teams play Marner to pass to Matthews and Matthews to shoot when fed by Marner but when you separate them both appear more willing or able to do what they don’t do often enough when they play together (Matthews set up someone else / Marner to finish). This is one of the reasons why I have always preferred them on separate lines.
As far as me being too one sided towards one guy over the other ok fair but I’ll always be one sided towards a 2 way #1 centre who can score 50 + goals almost every year in his prime when healthy over a talented winger – most people would regardless of the names on the jerseys no?
I think you pointed something that is very true, AM and MM seem to default to eachother. MArner needs to shoot more and matthews could pass more.
One that was pointed out in the article was that the powerplay seems to be better when one of Marner or Matthews is missing.
Oh Im all for keeping a scoring center over a winger…for sure. Im just not sure Matthews is as much as a stud without marner long term.
Im really hoping Im wrong, cause we’re about to find out what life is like without marner.
I like all 3 core players (WN, AM, MM) and I would like to keep all of them….I just dont think its wise as it pertains to cap allocation as they simply cant get their shit together when it counts.I think it’s a big factor that Matthews was battling injury all year, literally from training camp. It sometimes takes years for players to learn how to win. Sid didn’t win shit until he did. Ovi didn’t win shit until he did. MacKinnon didn’t win shit until he did. It’s a shame that Matthews was nowhere near 100%, because this really could have been the year that things finally clicked.- Whipper
I agree. It sucks he was injured how long he was injured for. I wish he sat for longer if need be. They didn’t NEED to win the division if it cost them a healthy Matthews.
Ah ok, I see what you’re saying. Honestly, I havent any of the canes games and no idea how their play is structured and I havent heard too many peeps talk about them. However, I dont listen to a lot of talking heads outside of kyper and bourne and the Overdrive guys and anytime they discuss a non canadian team…I kinda just switch the channel. LOL
All I know, is the canes are rocking without Rant but they have Freddy in net…so at anytime….they could implode – Fake
lol so what you’re saying is the average view of how anyone listens to anything about Carolina. hahaha. They certainly aren’t a team anyone really talks about.
Tanev isnt signing for $900…he’s 33 and currently makes $3.5m…..minimum would be 2.5-3m per.
Dumoulin also makes over $3m per currently and is 33.
Reilly smith had 29pts last year…..$5m per for that? Thats a bad contract….he’s also 34
Marner turned 13.5 x 8 …..but all of a sudden he’s going to take 13.1? Dont offer him anymore than 12 per. -FakeTanev will sign cheap. He’s at the point in his career where he’s going to sign just to play for the Leafs and with his brother. He scored 0 points in 13 playoff games this year. And he had 10 goals and 22 points in the season. He’s a 4th line role player. If he wants to play here, 1 million is the max.
Dumoulin is going to make the same. He’s not a big offensive player and in his 30s. If he doesn’t want to sign for 3, there’s other guys that will. He’s just a replacement on the left side for Rielly.
Smith had 40 points, you don’t know how to count. And he’s got 80+ career playoff points. He can be a 20 goal 50 point player and provide playoff offence. Also, he’s from Mimico so it could be “coming home time”. Might have to overpay him a touch though because he really does enjoy Vegas. Don’t blame him either.
And you believe Dreger? You’re as gullible as ever.
Oh, come on. You can’t be serious. -Whipper
Jenner is a 40 point, often injured player with 1 year left on his deal. He’s basically a rental at this point. Last year he had 19 points. He’s never had more than 49 in a season. Jenner is what the Leafs need to fill a hole but he’s not McDavid.
Yes, I’m serious. He probably wants out of Columbus and actually have a chance to make the playoffs before he hits UFA status. The Leafs would be giving them two serviceable forwards (30 points + 20 points) who basically provide them with depth while their younger players take on more top-six time.
Not sure if this will work or not – trying to post the playoff stats for this year of Marner and Willy as a pic. -Cush
Where was Nylander in Game 5, 6 and 7?
Did Nylander score or assist a GWG in the series vs. the Panthers?
Everything idiots bitched about Mitch for, happened with Nylander vs. Florida. He scored early in the series, disappeared when the games got tough, was a liability defensively.
UG – Just so we are all clear these players are all going to magically take huge pay cuts because YOU SAY SO and everyone who points out that a guy making 3.5M is unlikely to agree to a 900K to 1M salary next year is crazy and wrong and stupid because again YOU SAY SO.
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And where was Nylander in games 5 and 7 – classic deflection and whataboutism with a dash of your fav go to – goalpost moving.
I posted a pic of the playoff stats for the entire playoffs to illustrate that there was no more production from Marner (who you keep crying they can’t afford to let go) in this years playoffs than there is from Nylander – in fact there was less.
Nevermind the fact this is the first year that Nylander no-showed in those critical games unlike Marner who has unfortunately made it a yearly tradition in late series games. Don’t believe me? Go look it up yourself.
Nobody said Nylander was good in games 5 or 7 jesus christ stop making shit up.
Nobody said Nylander was good in games 5 or 7 jesus christ stop making shit up. ~Cush29
Willy has to improve his defensive game, too often standing frozen in own zone with stick in the air and watching the puck.
This is recipe for disaster in playoffs.UG – Just so we are all clear these players are all going to magically take huge pay cuts because YOU SAY SO and everyone who points out that a guy making 3.5M is unlikely to agree to a 900K to 1M salary next year is crazy and wrong and stupid because again YOU SAY SO.
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And where was Nylander in games 5 and 7 – classic deflection and whataboutism with a dash of your fav go to – goalpost moving.
I posted a pic of the playoff stats for the entire playoffs to illustrate that there was no more production from Marner (who you keep crying they can’t afford to let go) in this years playoffs than there is from Nylander – in fact there was less.
Nevermind the fact this is the first year that Nylander no-showed in those critical games unlike Marner who has unfortunately made it a yearly tradition in late series games. Don’t believe me? Go look it up yourself.
Nobody said Nylander was good in games 5 or 7 jesus christ stop making shit up. -Cush
Marner has more career playoff points than Nylander. 2nd to only Gilmour in playoff assists. Marner isn’t the problem. Wake the fuck up.
Willy has to improve his defensive game, too often standing frozen in own zone with stick in the air and watching the puck.
This is recipe for disaster in playoffs. -alex.TMLWhen people wonder “Why is Marner worth more than Nylander”, other than being a better scorer, this is the difference in price; defense. Marner is a Selke nominee, penalty killer. He went toe to toe with the Panthers top line and they came out even.
Nylander, on the other hand, is spending half the game blowing the zone or reaching with one hand on his stick like a lost puppy while his line looks like they’re on the penalty kill for 2 straight minutes.
Willy has to improve his defensive game, too often standing frozen in own zone with stick in the air and watching the puck.
This is recipe for disaster in playoffs. ALEX TMLYou won’t get an argument on that point from me!
I have NEVER defended Willy’s defensive game and you have to kinda’ wonder if perhaps Marner goes and Willy moves to L1 if the Captain can impart some more defensive accountability on him by showing him how to do it and actually stepping up as a captain and telling him to do it (along with Berube of course).
Marner’s defensive game is fantastic – sometimes elite (when he doesn’t try to get too fancy) but again in the late series games over the years Willy has been much more dependable and able to deliver offensively than Marner (yes this year being the exception).
Willy at 11M is better than Marner at 13 or more to me from the position of you can only keep one of those 2 – which I firmly believe is the way the Leafs need to proceed.
You won’t get an argument on that point from me!
I have NEVER defended Willy’s defensive game and you have to kinda’ wonder if perhaps Marner goes and Willy moves to L1 if the Captain can impart some more defensive accountability on him by showing him how to do it and actually stepping up as a captain and telling him to do it (along with Berube of course).
Marner’s defensive game is fantastic – sometimes elite (when he doesn’t try to get too fancy) but again in the late series games over the years Willy has been much more dependable and able to deliver offensively than Marner (yes this year being the exception).
Willy at 11M is better than Marner at 13 or more to me from the position of you can only keep one of those 2 – which I firmly believe is the way the Leafs need to proceed.
While I would keep both Marner and Nylander, the Leafs would still be better off re-signing Marner and trading Nylander in terms of asset management.
The Leafs can’t afford to lose their leading scorer, 100 point, two-way player, for nothing. They have no picks, no elite prospects and no reasonable or logical UFAs to replace him. If the Leafs lose Marner, Matthews will be worse and the entire team will be worse.
Marner has more career playoff points than Nylander. 2nd to only Gilmour in playoff assists. Marner isn’t the problem. Wake the fuck up.
For starters I was talking about this years playoffs – a fact you just blasted by while moving your goalposts again but not surprising because it didn’t fit your narrative.
You also know I’m sure that Marner has a whopping 5 more playoff points than Nylander and has played 3 more career playoff games right? Now your talking about most playoff assists vs points and using that to say what that Marner is more valuable because he has 60 playoff assists? Nylander is 12th in all time playoff assists by the Leafs and tied for 5th (with Matthews) behind Clark, Sundin, Keon, Kennedy and Armstrong. What does any of this prove other than the fact both Marner and Nylander have had great careers as Leafs?
What the biggest issue for many is with Marner is were in a series he gets his points it’s no secret it’s not games 5-7.
Which one of those 2 wingers is going to be paid 11M next year and which one is going to want 13M or more? The Leafs can’t afford to keep both unless they are playing video games and in GM mode and paying 3.5M players 900 K.
Maybe you should wake the fuck up and follow the conversation.
While I would keep both Marner and Nylander,
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the Leafs would still be better off re-signing Marner
and trading Nylander in terms of asset management.
The Leafs can’t afford to lose their leading scorer, 100 point, two-way player, for nothing. They have no picks, no elite prospects and no reasonable or logical UFAs to replace him. If the Leafs lose Marner, Matthews will be worse and the entire team will be worse.
This is absolutely laughable you sound like AA now, again I ask who is the Marner of Florida? The soft skilled winger who shrinks in games 5-7 and will be paid like a top 3 or 4 player in the league?
The Leafs can afford to lose some of the offense that Marner brings (in the regular season and early games in playoff series) if they can get a more balanced roster with more grit and grind in them – Marner (nor Willy) is that player and neither ever will be.
Asset management?
11M for a pure goal scoring winger who you can try to develop into a better defensive player and outside of this year is a clutch playoff performer who is locked in at 11M for 8 years is a far greater asset than a UFA winger who wants 13 M + and again has year over year not been able to deliver come late series games. Do you actually think Marner can overcome his faults as a Leaf if he got signed to an even bigger salary than he has just got? What progress has he shown to make you think that’s possible?
Let’s not skip past Marner screaming at his bench to wake the fuck up with his dry hair while having a terrible game 5 and 7 himself – great leadership.
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