Mike Fink: Flyers Unravelling at the Worst — or Best — Time

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    • #62809
      Bill Meltzer
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    • #62811
      yes its me 2050
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      imagine thinking Dvorak is a key player for this team. There lies one of the problems.

      also need to stop with this rebuild bullshit. There never has been any fucking rebuild. stop with the false narrative. All they have to show for this pseudo rebuild is Martone and MM

    • #62821
      Flyers_01
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      Dvorak. He is a 3rd line player getting 1st line minutes and putting up borderline 2nd line points.

      Let’s unpack that a second. Over the last 5 games for example he’s been averaging 20 minutes a night and been the defacto #1 center. What that means he didn’t really improve, his situation did. He is seeing more time in the offensive zone with much MUCH better linemates and seeing greatly increased TOI.

      DVO 2024 Offensive start % : 9.2%
      DVO 2025 Offensive start % : 37%

      And yet, even with all these advantages in 2025, his goal scoring percentage hasn’t changed. Given the same number of shots as previous years he’s stayed remarkably consistent with last year’s production. If you packed his TOI and SOG from 2024 into a 52 game season, you would have what we have seen so far. Which is remarkable that he’s got the same # of goals on the same # of shots..

      Is there any measurable growth in Dvo’s game? No. The Flyers have effectively fooled themselves, yet again. Just being the Flyers center playing the most minutes doesn’t make him an elite talent, it just means you gave him the most minutes.

      Also, prime for forwards is 27-29. Which means, surprise, he will be on the downside of his prime at 30 when the extension kicks in and with Konecny hitting the end of his prime next year.

      https://medium.com/@mattdesfosses/the-hockey-aging-curve-b0f33b91d1e4

      The Flyers wanted a buy-in? Lol. They announced they were done selling before the season even started. I have provided links in other threads and there’s a dozen more to be had from Hilf on down. The whole “players will decide” is bullshit. That’s cover after they committed to push for the playoffs this year. Let alone all the comments from previous years that everyone conveniently forgets or don’t take seriously.

      As always, this was never a rebuild, it was a retool ala Hextall and Hextall called it a retool. To rebuild a potential stanley cup roster you need a foundation of foundational players : 1C, 1D, 1G. This is fairly basic knowledge that the Flyers keep telling everyone to not look behind the curtain. Using that as a basis for a rebuild, the Flyers have yet to start. That’s like calling Tocchet the greatest hockey coach of all time. Just saying it doesn’t make it so.

      Tocchet is a horrible coach for a rebuilding/retooling team who has a dislike for russian players (just ask Vancouver) with a horrible winning %. I could get more into Tocchet’s shortcomings but if you need me to tell you what your eyes have seen all year, then it’s not worth my time.

    • #62826
      VonZipper
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      The latter option is a concern because it shows the shortcomings of a rebuild that’s been years in the works. It means that the Flyers had to sign Dvorak, not knowing whether they had the center to replace him. If Jett Luchanko isn’t the answer and Jack Nesbitt, whom the Flyers traded up to select in the first round of the latest draft, isn’t either, this rebuild is in trouble.

      This is the same reason why they’ll re-sign a completely broken-down Rasmus Ristolainen… who in the system is coming in to replace him? Funny how the entire organization has gone completely silent about Oliver Bonk. I get that he was injured, but not a word about him since his return. As for the rest of the guys in the system, not an NHL defenseman in the bunch.

      As for the two centers mentioned… neither is the answer.

      It looks a lot like what Edmonton did over the years… drafted the same player over and over (in our case, wingers) and wondered why they never seemed to progress in the standings.

      • #62829
        Flyers_01
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        This is the same reason why they’ll re-sign a completely broken-down Rasmus Ristolainen… who in the system is coming in to replace him? Funny how the entire organization has gone completely silent about Oliver Bonk. I get that he was injured, but not a word about him since his return. As for the rest of the guys in the system, not an NHL defenseman in the bunch.

        As for the two centers mentioned… neither is the answer.

        It looks a lot like what Edmonton did over the years… drafted the same player over and over (in our case, wingers) and wondered why they never seemed to progress in the standings.

        Remember when Jones was touting McDonald as the next great shutdown dman?

        Why Flyers Fans Should be Excited About Hunter McDonald

        For starters, it’s already been well documented how Flyers president Keith Jones referred to McDonald as a “beast” in an appearance on the PHLY Flyers podcast

        All the Hunter McDonald hype has been swept under the rug once they actually got to see him play. Jones has been radio silent on McDonald.

    • #62830
      yes its me 2050
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      The latter option is a concern because it shows the shortcomings of a rebuild that’s been years in the works. It means that the Flyers had to sign Dvorak, not knowing whether they had the center to replace him. If Jett Luchanko isn’t the answer and Jack Nesbitt, whom the Flyers traded up to select in the first round of the latest draft, isn’t either, this rebuild is in trouble.

      This is the same reason why they’ll re-sign a completely broken-down Rasmus Ristolainen… who in the system is coming in to replace him? Funny how the entire organization has gone completely silent about Oliver Bonk. I get that he was injured, but not a word about him since his return. As for the rest of the guys in the system, not an NHL defenseman in the bunch.

      As for the two centers mentioned… neither is the answer.

      It looks a lot like what Edmonton did over the years… drafted the same player over and over (in our case, wingers) and wondered why they never seemed to progress in the standings.

      BONK is injured again. Zevagrin hasn’t played in over a month. not a peeps from any beats

    • #62845
      VonZipper
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      BONK is injured again. Zevagrin hasn’t played in over a month. not a peeps from any beats

      I don’t buy into hype for Flyers prospect goalies as I’ve seen this too many times over the years. Until they’re excelling in the NHL, they’re nothing more than the next Maxime Oullet to me (let’s see how many remember that franchise-saving goalie from the past).

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