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Jan, Bill keeps saying use the forums bc the posts post instantly. But none of your last 3 blogs had a forum. I’ve been talking to myself there with aecliptic bc I had no idea u posted new blogs. I don’t even check the main page anymore, just the forums for a new blog. Why don’t all blogs get a forum?
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Stop being dumb Chris..
-Avs trade
Ross Colton
Jack Drury
27 first rder
3rd rderFor Panarin (50% maybe even 25% with a 3rd team) and Carrick
*Then you flip Colton at the 27 TDL as a rental
-Wild trade
Stramel (hopefully becomes a 2C)
Lambos (bottom pair-7th D)
1st rder (26 or 27)For Trocheck and Soucy (50%)
Schneider to SJ for second rder
Draft McKenna or Stenburg (hopefully). Verhoeff or Lawrence consolation prizes
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– Keep Miller and Mika, because? chemistry and they’re still good players. They probably won’t waive anyway– offer sheet (enough where Vegas can’t match) Pavel Dorofeyev.
*That costs us a first and 3rd in ‘2726-27 Rangers
Miller Mika Perrault
Dorofeyev Drury Laf
Cuylle Laba Othmann
Aspinall (sleeper) Colton Raddysh
Rempe/EdstromGavrikov – Fox
Ferraro or Stanley (UFA) – Morrow
Robertson – Borgen
Lambos/VaaksShesty
Nedjelkovic – (UFA)On paper they have a 1st 3rd and 4th line. Second line is a mess with Trocheck and Panarin gone, so to me that’s the priority for Drury. The D corp is a lil weak but hopefully Emery and or Fortesque develop, and they have a bunch of other prospects on defense in the pipeline. Draft forwards this draft and see where they go. We might need to suck one more year before anything happens positively. Just have to remain patient as difficult as it is
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What can I tell ya🤷🏻♂️ he knew they weren’t good enough two years ago and he started the retool then (Goodrow, Trouba, Kreider, etc) We all said as much on a post to post basis lol those teams were flawed, that Gorton built. PP specialists. The PP and goaltending hid the warts of those teams, yoi all knew that. I even fought you guys saying nope they’re good enough lol
Who drafted all those who failed here? It wasn’t him. He’s drafted the kinds of guys you whack off too ffs. Big burly men. You just have no patience to watch it be built his way.
They reallllly miss the 13 combined goals by Kakko and Buchnevich dont they? And if he made no moves back then we’re two years behind schedule at least now we’re two years ahead. Hes picked up draft picks and more coming. He signed Trocheck and is probably gonna get a kings ransom for him. If anything I give him credit for being proactive
Go root for the Sharks ffs. He isn’t getting fired, Dolan literally told you that on the radio
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What can I tell ya🤷🏻♂️ he knew they weren’t good enough two years ago and he started the retool then (Goodrow, Trouba, Kreider, etc) We all said as much on a post to post basis lol those teams were flawed, that Gorton built. PP specialists. The PP and goaltending hid the warts of those teams, yoi all knew that. I even fought you guys saying nope they’re good enough lol
Who drafted all those who failed here? It wasn’t him. He’s drafted the kinds of guys you whack off too ffs. Big burly men. You just have no patience to watch it be built his way.
They reallllly miss the 13 combined goals by Kakko and Buchnevich dont they? And if he made no moves back then we’re two years behind schedule at least now we’re two years ahead. Hes picked up draft picks and more coming. He signed Trocheck and is probably gonna get a kings ransom for him. If anything I give him credit for being proactive
Go root for the Sharks ffs. He isn’t getting fired, Dolan literally told you that on the radio
Drury traded the guys who werent the problem.
With Miller not accepting a trade, this team will be in the shitter, longer. Just what the Rangers need, a 33yo Center on his down years.
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Like seriously, imagine Drury gave Buchnevich 8 years 8 million per right now? He’d be tarred and feathered for that. But he traded him so he’s the worst. You can’t make it up
He was smart enough to know that Buch wouldn’t be worth the next contract and instead signed Trocheck who has been far more valuable, cheaper, and will now get assets for him in a trade. Genius I tell ya. Genius!
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Buchnevich is having a down year after 4 straight seasons of 20+ goals and a 30 goal season mixed in there playing on the lowest scoring team in the league (121 GF). Plays well defensively also.
The problem wasn’t trading Buchnevich, it was the return. He valued Blais WAY too much.
Loaded with picks? All Drury has done is trade away picks. He signed Nemeth, then the following year gave Arizona (2) 2nd round picks to take his contract. One of those picks is this year and will likely be around 34/35 overall. Absolutely HORRIBLE asset management. He’s a horrendous GM.
All the players he’s reportedly “been wanting for a while” when he makes these trades, Parsennen, Brisson etc have all sucked. He’s terrible and you have no leg to stand on being that’s he’s been the GM 5 years and taken this team from President trophy winner and the ECF to a bottom feeder.
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Reaching for the bottom of the barrel there. He just got a first for Miller
I don’t believe you that if we resigned the current Buchnevich to what he just got that you wouldn’t go on and on about it on a daily basis. Buch sucks newsflash, get over it. My god your grudges are ridiculous. And I can guarantee youre gonna have your cake now because the pick cupboard will be stocked
Also hows Cole Caufield doing? 🤣
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Hold on, ur jumping for joy that we got a 1st for Miller which will be about 5-10 picks higher than the 2nd we gave up just for someone to take Nemeth’s contract? PLUS another 2nd that we gave up???? That’s what ur excited about? You know, the contract DRURY signed him to the year before?
Or what about the 2nd he gave up for Reilly F’ing Smith??? You can’t be this blinded TJ.
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Those teams weren’t good enough. Because they were slow and getting older. It’s just been exasperated now two years later. He went for it and it didn’t pan out. It’s as simple as that. Rather then band aid it he’s tearing it mostly down which he should. You guys just can’t deal with losing seasons. This is best for the org right now which is the ironic part no one can see. It started last year and needs to continue. Next season they cap space and hopefully a top 3 pick they can deploy.
They just named Miller captain so why name him captain if you’re going to trade him? Him and Mika do have something they just need more help. Mika has been great this year so you keep him and Miller and move forward. What they need most of all is a terrible season where they get a top 3 pick, which is happening. Just embrace the tank. I mean if Tom were here he’d be drilling into our heads
News for you guys, if they stil had Trouba Goodrow and Kreider we’d stil suck lol idk what you guys think would be so much better. They’re slow and old and injury prone
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And it’s obviously Drurys fault that their best players has missed time this year
Miller missed 9 games
Trocheck missed 14 games
Fox missed 21 and is still out
Shesty has missed what 8 now? And he’s the backbone without him they’re screwed. Martin leaves beachball size rebounds and Quick is old afCuylle has had a bad season and Laf to a certain degree. These are the guys the need to produce.
The kids that have been good are Laba, Morrow and Perrault is getting better. Gavrikov was great until Fox got hurt and Schneider, who’s been awful, played with him. Those are Drurys players.
Idk if anyone pays attn to the OHL kids, but Nathan Aspinall has been a monster this year so maybe he develops into something. Drury drafted him too. He’s made the effort to get bigger and stronger up front with the draft picks
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He has to play defense which is why he wasn’t playing. But now it’s pointless to keep him down there. They should call up Sykora and Terrance too. Just to see what they are
And aec not every team has lost most of their best players all season. Once Shesty went down it sapped whatever will they had, and subsequent love letter to us
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They really should trade at the very least
-Panarin (I’d still try and re-sign him because we have plenty of cap space)
-Trocheck
-Soucy
-Carrick
-Schneider
For something decent-JBrod
-Raddysh
-VaaksFor whatever
It wouldn’t surprise me to see them trade Cuylle in a package for either Robertson or Dorofeyev. Maybe Laf but I’d think teams would rather have Cuylle. Two legit goal scorers who may be priced out of their current teams. I know Vegas, according to puck pedia, has only 4 million in cap space
This is what he means by strategic imo. Take advantage of cap strapped teams
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They really should trade at the very least
-Panarin (I’d still try and re-sign him because we have plenty of cap space)
-Trocheck
-Soucy
-Carrick
-Schneider
For something decent-JBrod
-Raddysh
-VaaksFor whatever
It wouldn’t surprise me to see them trade Cuylle in a package for either Robertson or Dorofeyev. Maybe Laf but I’d think teams would rather have Cuylle. Two legit goal scorers who may be priced out of their current teams. I know Vegas, according to puck pedia, has only 4 million in cap space
This is what he means by strategic imo. Take advantage of cap strapped teams
Based on the way that Drury has treated his players recently, what makes you think that these players even want to come to NY? A volatile coaching situation that no coach has made it past 2 years. Given the toxic history that JT has around him, and now hes the captain of this team, why would players of that ilk want to be here?
You want to retool, fine. Start fresh. Fire Drury, Ortmeyer and Glass. Trade Panarin and Soucy, Raddysh, Vaks, etc… Schneider, I dont know but hes not as untouchable as he once was (Id want to keep Trocheck and Carrick, but if someone overpays, bye)… Id try not to trade Cuylle.
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Say it with me
DRURY ISNT GETTING FIRED. Say it again DRURY ISNT GETTNG FIRED. say it again third time if you want. Dolan told you as much on the radio. It isn’t happening. Let it gooooo
Gavrikov signed here after the fact, so that’s a bunch of malarkey.
Trocheck has to go because that’s the best chip to use and get the most for. His contract is too good not to trade for assets
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If you think about it, without hate glasses on, he hasn’t really “built” a team. He took over a pretty good team that Gorton put together, bought to make it better and get over the hump. It didn’t. Fault lies in a lot of places, Drury some of it yea, but it’s not only person. The picks made post letter the last time basically all shit the bed. Drury had nothing to do with that. That was all Gorton and gord Clark scouting. Since then it’s a been tear down process obviously, and that where you guys get pissed. And I get it. But he realized they weren’t good enough therefore they needed tear it down. You guys just won’t accept that fate.
Let him build a team with his vision and see what happens. That’s when he will get fired, if this retool/rebuild doesn’t succeed. But it isn’t happening overnight, it’s really that simple
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TJ, u want to see my vision, you just refuse to admit you were wrong. I saw it all along with Laf, I know you loved him but he just didn’t have “it”. I blame a lot of that on the Rangers development. You don’t have 4 top 10 picks all be complete busts without the organization having something to do with it.
Lias, Krav, Kakko, Laf. They put these guys on the 3rd lines with limited ice time and they expect them to develop like other top 10 picks that are given top 6 roles with PP time.
Drury’s judgement on players in trades; and who he trades for/away is horrendous. He makes these trades and talks about he’s been wanting player X for a while and glad he finally got him. Parsenin, Brisson, Terrance, Blais, they all SUCK. What does he see in these guys that have made him want them for a long time?
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Say it with me
DRURY ISNT GETTING FIRED. Say it again DRURY ISNT GETTNG FIRED. say it again third time if you want. Dolan told you as much on the radio. It isn’t happening. Let it gooooo
Gavrikov signed here after the fact, so that’s a bunch of malarkey.
Trocheck has to go because that’s the best chip to use and get the most for. His contract is too good not to trade for assets
This is another quote that wont age well!!
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If you think about it, without hate glasses on, he hasn’t really “built” a team. He took over a pretty good team that Gorton put together, bought to make it better and get over the hump. It didn’t. Fault lies in a lot of places, Drury some of it yea, but it’s not only person. The picks made post letter the last time basically all shit the bed. Drury had nothing to do with that. That was all Gorton and gord Clark scouting. Since then it’s a been tear down process obviously, and that where you guys get pissed. And I get it. But he realized they weren’t good enough therefore they needed tear it down. You guys just won’t accept that fate.
Let him build a team with his vision and see what happens. That’s when he will get fired, if this retool/rebuild doesn’t succeed. But it isn’t happening overnight, it’s really that simple
I never said that those picks were Drury’s fault. This is why I keep saying they need to fire Ortmeyer and Glass because they oversee the development of these players.
You say that were mad about the tear down process? No were not mad about the tear down, were mad at how its being handled. Trading for Miller, giving up what could have been a top 10 pick, adding another non-movable 8m contract and making him captain, was not the move to make.
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Panarin to LAK for Greentree and a 2nd
Laf to SEA for Wright
Trocheck 50% retained to DET for Danielson and a 1st
Soucy for a 3rd
Jbrod for a 5th/6th
Raddysh for a 6th
Carrick for a 2nd/3rd
Kings trade I think is good.
Wright makes sense for both teams.
I doubt Detroit trades Danielson. I think were more likely to make this trade with the Wild.
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Problem with MINN is after the Hughes trade they’re kinda dry in prospects/picks. No 1st or 2nd this year, Stramel is a name but he’s a 4th year college guy that isn’t developing the way they hoped. The Trocheck trade has to be a home run, it’s why I’d eat 50% on the salary. Getting him for 2.8 for the next 3 1/2 years is the steal of the league. I want a top top return for him.
Although I’m sure if we get a 6th 7th and 11th round pick TJ will tell us drury’s hands were tied and there was nothing else he could’ve done and we need to trust him more. “It was about dumping salary” for the next 32 year old he wants to add to the team. Right TJ 👀
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Carrick is someone who could get a surprising return. He’s a very cheap worthwhile 4C for a contender
Idk if he’s on the chopping block tho
I wouldnt trade him unless someone overpaid
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Idk why you guys are mad at me for him not getting fired lol what will yo say when he has 5 first rders the next two years 👀
Anyway. I saw Drury wanted Kasper from Detroit. In a deal for Panarin
Nothing. How have our 1st rounders to this point worked out?
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Gorton or Drurys? Because one of Drurys is on our first line isn’t he?. So much for giving them time, sheesh. But obviously anything they do will not work out
…and yet again, did I say I blame Drury? Ive been saying Ortmeyer and Glass need to go. But that conveniently gets ignored all the time because youre obsessively trying to defend Drury.
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Still Perrault was a first rder wasn’t he?
I’m not trying to be a dyck. Jesus. There just has to be something else to talk about then bashing Drury all day wanting him fired. You guys have made your pts a zillion times by now, I’ve made mine. The org is moving on from players and we all have to accept it.
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Still Perrault was a first rder wasn’t he?
I’m not trying to be a dyck. Jesus. There just has to be something else to talk about then bashing Drury all day wanting him fired. You guys have made your pts a zillion times by now, I’ve made mine. The org is moving on from players and we all have to accept it.
I want you to answer this honestly. If Sheary doesnt get hurt, do you honestly think that Perreault is getting all this time?
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https://x.com/worldhockeyrpt/status/2014896940048384336?s=46
This is why we need to keep losing. Snipe 😳
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If you think about it, without hate glasses on, he hasn’t really “built” a team. He took over a pretty good team that Gorton put together, bought to make it better and get over the hump. It didn’t. Fault lies in a lot of places, Drury some of it yea, but it’s not only person. The picks made post letter the last time basically all shit the bed. Drury had nothing to do with that. That was all Gorton and gord Clark scouting. Since then it’s a been tear down process obviously, and that where you guys get pissed. And I get it. But he realized they weren’t good enough therefore they needed tear it down. You guys just won’t accept that fate.
Let him build a team with his vision and see what happens. That’s when he will get fired, if this retool/rebuild doesn’t succeed. But it isn’t happening overnight, it’s really that simple
I never said that those picks were Drury’s fault. This is why I keep saying they need to fire Ortmeyer and Glass because they oversee the development of these players.
You say that were mad about the tear down process? No were not mad about the tear down, were mad at how its being handled. Trading for Miller, giving up what could have been a top 10 pick, adding another non-movable 8m contract and making him captain, was not the move to make.
Well said!
Drury is the Captain of this ship. Trading Goodrow to the Sharks, Sharks are better, trading Trouba and CK20 to the Ducks, Ducks are better. KK to Seattle, TBD. The Rangers return for these trades, team is worse, actually terrible, new coach, team still sucks!! Drurys job is to identify the problem and fix it. He hasnt, you cant make trades just for the hell of it, it has to improve your club. Drury has had the team for 5 years now, 2 of these years the team doesnt make the playoffs and will not for the next 2, whose fault is it??
Tj, wake up.
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That’s another huge issue I have with Drury. He’s f’ing horrific on his returns in all these trades. Not a single player in return on Kreider Trouba KK Goodrow that has helped improve our team. Borgen is a plug, and the Trouba/Kreider returns we got absolutely nothing for bc he announced to the league he hated them and wanted them gone. wtf did u think the return would be after the way he handled that????? MORON.
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If Drury traded Laf Panarin Trocheck and we added 3 prospects similar to Kasper Wright and Greentree plus a couple 1sts and some mid round picks, I’d be happy with that.
If he gets older roster players back bc he’s “retooling” instead of rebuilding, I’ll lose my mind.
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Regarding Carrick, I think he could be a very valuable piece for a contending team. A 2nd round pick would surprise me, but I think it’s fair/reasonable. But a 3rd and 4th is also a possibility or maybe a B level prospect.
I want someone to overpay for Carrick the same way we overpaid for… Reilly Smith.
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That’s another huge issue I have with Drury. He’s f’ing horrific on his returns in all these trades. Not a single player in return on Kreider Trouba KK Goodrow that has helped improve our team. Borgen is a plug, and the Trouba/Kreider returns we got absolutely nothing for bc he announced to the league he hated them and wanted them gone. wtf did u think the return would be after the way he handled that????? MORON.
Well, Ill give him his flowers for the KAndre trade. The return was pretty much along the lines of what everyone wanted to get. If Morrow can develop more defensively, with his already good offensive upside, we might have something good here on top of the picks.
Borgen, I wouldnt call a plug anymore. Offensively hes irrelevant, but defensively hes been fine. Kakko hasnt done anything more in Seattle than what he did in NY.
I feel like we’ve been getting fleeced by Anaheim since 2022, little by little, they seem to be acquiring our 2021 ECF squad at little to no cost. Strome and Vatrano in FA. Kreider and Trouba for pretty much nothing.
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Reilly Smith was one of the dumbest things he’s ever done.
Pitt gave up a 3rd to get him, he has a terrible year.
We give PITT a 2nd after his terrible year.
Then only get back a 3rd.Amazing. So 3 teams traded for him, 2 of the teams got a 2nd but Drury the genius is the only one to get a 3rd. Moron.
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It’s probably somewhat calculated for Drury to get worse. If you look at these east teams, 3-4-5 of them have really turned the corner and gotten really good. You guys refuse to see it not realizing how much we would suck even with the all guys they let go. It wouldn’t make little to no difference if they stood pat. They got slow and old really fast and the window closed. You guys need to open your eyes
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It’s probably somewhat calculated for Drury to get worse. If you look at these east teams, 3-4-5 of them have really turned the corner and gotten really good. You guys refuse to see it not realizing how much we would suck even with the all guys they let go. It wouldn’t make little to no difference if they stood pat. They got slow and old really fast and the window closed. You guys need to open your eyes
So in response to a team somewhat aging out, you go and trade what could have been a top 10 draft pick for a 32 year old center with a hefty contract, a NMC, a history of not being a great locker room guy and make him captain? Then apparently the reason Miller even wanted to come to the Rangers is because he and Trocheck are buddies. Now Trocheck is most likely going to be traded.
Then go and trade a 2nd round pick for a 34 yo winger coming off consecutive down years.
Now I like Gavrikov, hes a solid defenseman, but if the point youre making is the team aging out why would you go and sign Gavrikov? Gavrikov is only a year younger than Trouba and is getting 1m less than him. Basically got net 0 on signing Gavrikov. Then the story goes that he and Panarin are friends and Panarin facilitated his signing in NY. Now Drury has made it very clear that Panarin is gone from the Rangers.
Make it make sense.
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The aging out thing..
They still need some veterans with all these young guys coming up. And are we sure Miller was the problem in Vancouver? It seems like EP40 was and still is a problem (is in rumors). They didn’t have a captain or anyone worthy of being a captain so they traded for one. It was more about getting leadership in the room. Rangers and Drury could trade for Messier in his prime and you guys would be pissed because you’re impossible to please
I’m stubborn because I see why he’s doing. I may not agree with everything he does, but I’m willing to see it through, you’re just too stubborn and unforgiving to actually let him cook. You truly think we would be contenders if our left everything alone and it’s silly because that didn’t work for two years and then the window closed
And I’ve been called worse things than stupid
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The aging out thing..
They still need some veterans with all these young guys coming up. And are we sure Miller was the problem in Vancouver? It seems like EP40 was and still is a problem (is in rumors). They didn’t have a captain or anyone worthy of being a captain so they traded for one. It was more about getting leadership in the room. Rangers and Drury could trade for Messier in his prime and you guys would be pissed because you’re impossible to please
I’m stubborn because I see why he’s doing. I may not agree with everything he does, but I’m willing to see it through, you’re just too stubborn and unforgiving to actually let him cook. You truly think we would be contenders if our left everything alone and it’s silly because that didn’t work for two years and then the window closed
And I’ve been called worse things than stupid
Why he is doing it??? Tj, he ran this team into the ground, as your brother would say, Presidents trophy winner to last in the league in 2 seasons. Thats insane!! You dont run a team like that. He is an idiot.
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Truly what set everything back was Laf and Kakko not becoming all stars. That was what those teams needed and hoped for (the contending teams we had). It’s really no one’s fault other than the players themselves. I do think both aren’t fast enough for today’s NHL where the best young players all skate like the wind now
To that point, that’s probably what Drury sees worst of all. Is how slow this team is. It needs speed to compete.
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If they get a top 4 pick, an extra one this year (with the current two) and another first next year..that’s a great start to a rebuild without even doing one. And maybe Drury will have better picks than Gorton did with the first letter. Just have to be patient and forget the past because he isn’t going anywhere. It’s just the reality of the situation
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Dude they sucked. You even said a zillion times that they sucked. A bubble team I think. I agree with you they sucked. It’s just formally announced thay they suck
Man I’ll give you guys credit for persistence but you guys are out to lunch. Ten or so teams in the last two years have surpassed them as far being better.
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In the east alone I meant to say. You want to be mediocre and do what exactly? They can’t compete with the buffalos, Detroit’s, even the islanders now, devils, the list goes on. Those teams had to suck for a few years for them to be good…now it’s the rangers turn. I’ve accepted it, yea it hurts. But it needs to happen. We are going to have draft picks galore now, enjoy it
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tj, again youre missing the point. No one here is mad about the tear down. Were mad at how its being done.
Hes done everything possible to sabotage himself with every move by basically putting flashing lights around it. Whether its by putting names out there or by telling people who he wants and overpaying for them.
Did he REALLY need veteran leadership? I thought Trocheck, and for that matter Carrick, are solid leaders. What has Miller done to make people believe he is a leader? Using the Messier analogy is just bad.
If youre gonna suck, then suck 100%, dont go out and get Miller and Gavrikov.
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Don’t you have to have a captain tho? And this retool started 2 seasons ago. Once that Florida series ended. The first step was he is/was changing leadership. And what did they give up for him? A player who’s head is an injury waiting to happen who you would never re-sign knowing that, a RHD who we had an excess amount of, and the pick was protected. It was 15 OA, it wasn’t the end of the world. Point is just because they’re are selling off pieces don’t mean you don’t find someone to be captain. Every team in sports needs one and we didn’t have anyone worthy of it
Ideally they’re getting better as soon as next season with new players and vision, and by gods grace they draft McKenna or in the top 4.
I honestly think if he sent the letter last year you/fans/people would understand this all more. His timing was way off. Also I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s no coincidence this came out after Shesty got hurt. It’s like waving the white flag. I’m just saying I’m glad Drury started this retoool 2 years ago so we’re at least moving forward in the right direction. I mean we have potentially 5 first rders the next two years. That’s gotta mean something
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And also have a boatload of cap space to do a lot of things with
You guys just keep reliving the past, it’s over with who’s gives a frank. Just move on already because he isn’t going anywhere. And like I said he’s primarily been a buyer since he was hired. Now he’s a seller and builder, maybe he knocks it out of the park. If he doesn’t you guys will get your wish. But he’s getting a few more years without a doubt
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Let’s look at what next season looks like
-28.3 in cap space (Trocheck included, so maybe more)
-16 players signed (which is a pretty good amount)
-top 5 pick (very likely at this rate)and more then likely one more first rder
-kids are regulars that should get better, and for the most part they already are. Laba, Perrault, Morrow, Othmann specifically
-goalie and captain signed (players you must have)
-an established coach (he isn’t going anywhere either)So with all that it’s not out of the question that they improve dramatically. Adding speed and a goal scorer is imperative. Robertson is ideal in so many ways, Doforeyev too.
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Let’s look at what next season looks like
-28.3 in cap space (Trocheck included, so maybe more)
-16 players signed (which is a pretty good amount)
-top 5 pick (very likely at this rate)and more then likely one more first rder
-kids are regulars that should get better, and for the most part they already are. Laba, Perrault, Morrow, Othmann specifically
-goalie and captain signed (players you must have)
-an established coach (he isn’t going anywhere either)So with all that it’s not out of the question that they improve dramatically. Adding speed and a goal scorer is imperative. Robertson is ideal in so many ways, Doforeyev too.
Tj, Cap space is irrelevant at this time, you only need some to retain on trades and then when you want to sign a big FA, which there really isnt one out there on the market. You really are missing the whole point, when conducting business you dont announce it to the world, it puts you at a disadvantage.
Trading for Miller was nothing but a hail Mary to save the season. You dont trade for a 31yo (at the time) to lead a rebuild. Supposedly Trocheck encouraged him to come here. If thats the case, if Trocheck is traded, maybe he will waive. Now we have a 33yo (next month) for another 4 years at 8.5, talk about a waste of space. Yes Chytil was injury prone but I would have rather an under performer player, younger needing a change of scenery in a trade and a pick rather than a 31yo who couldnt get along with his team mate.
Bottom line is trading Panarin and Trocheck and bringing in another high priced scorer doesnt change the locker room. It still smells of Drury.
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Say what you want about him, he has never in 5 years worked with cap space like that. Hes always been cap strapped, mostly due to the cap not rising, granted doing himself dirty at times. To be fair to the haters. Now it rises so he wont have restraints at all. Finding available players will be the hard part
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It was 12th overall, not 15th. And when ur going through a rebuild I’d take 12th overall every single day of the week over a 32 year old.
I’m not mad we’re rebuilding, I’m mad at who’s doing it given his track record. He gets smoked on trades, very rarely comes out on top.
JT Miller trade – bad
Keandre Miller trade – good
Nemeth trade – horrific
Buch trade – horrible
Kreider trade – horrible
Trouba trade – horrible
Reilly Smith trade – terrible
Kakko trade – terrible
Kravtsov handling/trade – terrible
Kane trade – horrible
Tarasenko trade – ok
Lindgren/Vesey trade – ok
Roslovic trade – good
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It was 12th overall, not 15th. And when ur going through a rebuild I’d take 12th overall every single day of the week over a 32 year old.
I’m not mad we’re rebuilding, I’m mad at who’s doing it given his track record. He gets smoked on trades, very rarely comes out on top.
JT Miller trade – bad
Keandre Miller trade – good
Nemeth trade – horrific
Buch trade – horrible
Kreider trade – horrible
Trouba trade – horrible
Reilly Smith trade – terrible
Kakko trade – terrible
Kravtsov handling/trade – terrible
Kane trade – horrible
Tarasenko trade – ok
Lindgren/Vesey trade – ok
Roslovic trade – good
Wennberg trade – bad
Motte trade – goodVatrano trade – good
Letting him walk for nothing after having clear chemistry with this squad for a 3.3m contract – horrible
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I wasn’t going to get into the keeping/signing players. He’s been hit or miss on that.
For as big of a disaster Nemeth was, we ended up losing the 42nd overall pick in 2025 in that trade and what will likely be around pick 34 this year which is absolutely HORRENDOUS when u think about it, the Trocheck signing was great. -
I wasn’t going to get into the keeping/signing players. He’s been hit or miss on that.
For as big of a disaster Nemeth was, we ended up losing the 42nd overall pick in 2025 in that trade and what will likely be around pick 34 this year which is absolutely HORRENDOUS when u think about it, the Trocheck signing was great.MANY people shit on the Trocheck contract. I told everyone it was a steal.
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Don’t you have to have a captain tho? And this retool started 2 seasons ago. Once that Florida series ended. The first step was he is/was changing leadership. And what did they give up for him? A player who’s head is an injury waiting to happen who you would never re-sign knowing that, a RHD who we had an excess amount of, and the pick was protected. It was 15 OA, it wasn’t the end of the world. Point is just because they’re are selling off pieces don’t mean you don’t find someone to be captain. Every team in sports needs one and we didn’t have anyone worthy of it
Ideally they’re getting better as soon as next season with new players and vision, and by gods grace they draft McKenna or in the top 4.
I honestly think if he sent the letter last year you/fans/people would understand this all more. His timing was way off. Also I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s no coincidence this came out after Shesty got hurt. It’s like waving the white flag. I’m just saying I’m glad Drury started this retoool 2 years ago so we’re at least moving forward in the right direction. I mean we have potentially 5 first rders the next two years. That’s gotta mean something
Do we need a captain? No. We went quite a few years without one. However, lets assume we need one, what was wrong with making Trocheck captain? I think all of us would have been perfectly fine with him being captain. That makes bringing in Miller to be captain completely unnecessary.
What did it cost us? 11 OA. But that could have been top 10 without Miller here. Hell it could have been a net positive where we keep our 1st rd pick, and maybe have gained a 2nd rd pick for Chytil or whatever.
You say hey, its great the retool started 2 years ago. I say why? What was the point? Bring in Miller, Smith, Gavrikov… Why? Thats not the kind of moves a GM makes to retool. Those moves scream trying to salvage a team to try to make the playoffs.
Before this year started, knowing what Panarin would want in an extension, you had to know whether or not you were going to bring him back. Im quite sure that Drury had no intentions of bringing him back. So why bother doing all the other stuff? Wby bother bringing in his friend?
Salary cap? Who cares?
Leadership and veterans…? Could have brought in Dumoulin and Grzelcyk on the cheap with the lack of depth we had on the left side and their familiarity with Sullivans coaching. Its not the sexy option but youre only committed for a couple years until guys develop.
The problem tj is you have no legs to stand on. When guys said tear it down after the first time *cough*Tom*cough* you sat there, laughed and crapped on him. Years went on, Drury took over, and many of us were not happy with the decisions made, you sat there took Drury’s side and said wait. Time kept going on, and we kept saying enough is enough and do the right thing and tear it down finally. Drury starts making an embarrassment of the organization with his handling of players. We keep saying tear it down for the love of god, were just not there. He goes and trades for Miller, trades for Reilly Smith and signs Gavrikov. NOW hes finally tearing it down, and youre telling us, hey hes doing the right thing and tearing it down, be patient. You cant have it both ways. You were never on the side of tearing it down, but now, because its convenient to do so, there you are.
Then you go and question our loyalty to this organization because we dont support the management that runs the organization.
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I don’t think they’d give McQueen for Panarin but I’d sign for it.
DET should be all over Trocheck. They’re loaded with high end prospects and should be competitive for the next 3-5 years at least. To me they’re probably the team that benefits getting him the most. I know I’ve said it before, but retaining on him should be on the table to maximize the return.
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I ain’t reading all that
He ain’t getting fired is my answer to everything.
Anyway, Anaheim is in on Panarin. Maybe they can get McQueen. I’d think they’d protect their first rder
The thing with Anaheim is whether or not theyll be able to resign Panarin.
On the surface of things, it seems they have a lot of cap space, but they need to resign Carlsson and Gauthier. Trouba, Gudas and Mintyukov are also FA.
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Agree with Miller being Drury’s Hail Mary. No way he was thinking rebuild with the possibility of giving up a top 10 pick either last year or this year (if it landed that was last year). He thought Miller would at least limp us into the playoffs and Drury could continue his fits as to who he wants gone next.
Like you said, letting the entire league know u didn’t want Kreider or Trouba on the team anymore put us at a gigantic disadvantage in returns of trade value. Just one of the dumbest things a GM can do it let everyone know you want a player gone no matter what. Amateur stuff from an amateur GM
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I think I’m more tired of the players on this team than the front office. Maybe that’s where my disconnect is different then you guys. Get rid of all of them (older guys). My point regardless of buying selling retooling etc..you have to have older players to mentor players. Ie have Perrault play with Miller and Mika. You can’t have 20 players under 22 yrs old. Drury, for better or worse, wanted Miller and Gavrikov to be that new wave of older core players.
Moving forward- imo, Miller, Mika, Fox, Gavrikov and Shesty are the big tickets. Like they’re are all staying. Other guys need to be better (Cuylle, Laf, Schneider, etc) and add in some more youth in a variety of ways, draft right and sign smart contracts (like Trocheck was) and see what happens.
If they got Robertson I think we’d all feel much better about things. That’s the shot in the arm the fan base needs. I get the hate I do I just direct my hate elsewhere, it’s on the players not so much Drury. He gave them all 3 friggin coaches, a lot of money and they’ve been nothing but divas
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I think I’m more tired of the players on this team than the front office. Maybe that’s where my disconnect is different then you guys. Get rid of all of them (older guys). My point regardless of buying selling retooling etc..you have to have older players to mentor players. Ie have Perrault play with Miller and Mika. You can’t have 20 players under 22 yrs old. Drury, for better or worse, wanted Miller and Gavrikov to be that new wave of older core players.
Moving forward- imo, Miller, Mika, Fox, Gavrikov and Shesty are the big tickets. Like they’re are all staying. Other guys need to be better (Cuylle, Laf, Schneider, etc) and add in some more youth in a variety of ways, draft right and sign smart contracts (like Trocheck was) and see what happens.
If they got Robertson I think we’d all feel much better about things. That’s the shot in the arm the fan base needs. I get the hate I do I just direct my hate elsewhere, it’s on the players not so much Drury. He gave them all 3 friggin coaches, a lot of money and they’ve been nothing but divas
I dont want Miller mentoring younger players, he has been bounced around a few times and then couldnt get along with his team mate, that too me isnt leadership material. Mika cant teach anyone, he failed himself in the playoffs!! There is no shot in the arm or magic potion to comeback, the magic potion was 2 years ago when they had a chance and were a team, now they are a bunch of individuals.
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I’ll give ya 3 things that’s changed the course of things
1. Firing JD. Gorton maybe too. But he could’ve hired Drury and kept JD and fired Gorton. Or idk maybe JD said it’s neither of us, or both of us
2. Laf and Kakko being meh players. JAGs – just another guy. That really set everything back and it’s reared it’s head the last two years
3. Firing Gallant. That’s probably my biggest gripe against Drury. Gallant had them playing very well up until they folded vs NJ. But that decision seemed unfair (to Gallant) and panicky but imagine players had something to say about it
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JD and Gorton told Dolan we need more time.
Drury like the snake he is said he could handle it and the time is now.
Dolan fired the other 2 and drurys true colors showed. Blame everyone else for his failures, nothing is his fault.Laf and Kakko were consensus picks. They got buried on the 3rd line with 0 PP time and 12 minutes a night. No other 1st or 2nd OA player got/gets treated the way they did. You know my feelings about Laf, but he got screwed in his development by this organization. He was never put in a position to succeed bc Drury was all about win now when it wasn’t time yet.
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I think I’m more tired of the players on this team than the front office. Maybe that’s where my disconnect is different then you guys. Get rid of all of them (older guys). My point regardless of buying selling retooling etc..you have to have older players to mentor players. Ie have Perrault play with Miller and Mika. You can’t have 20 players under 22 yrs old. Drury, for better or worse, wanted Miller and Gavrikov to be that new wave of older core players.
Moving forward- imo, Miller, Mika, Fox, Gavrikov and Shesty are the big tickets. Like they’re are all staying. Other guys need to be better (Cuylle, Laf, Schneider, etc) and add in some more youth in a variety of ways, draft right and sign smart contracts (like Trocheck was) and see what happens.
If they got Robertson I think we’d all feel much better about things. That’s the shot in the arm the fan base needs. I get the hate I do I just direct my hate elsewhere, it’s on the players not so much Drury. He gave them all 3 friggin coaches, a lot of money and they’ve been nothing but divas
You want Trocheck mentoring your young guys, not Miller. Thats what guys like Carrick, and Goodrow, are for. This is why I suggested getting Dumoulin and Grzelcyk, their experience, theyve played under Sully before and they would provide that short term stop gap as the younger Dmen develop.
When the attitude in the locker room absolutely stinks, its difficult for young players like Cuylle, LAF, Schneider, etc… to step up because its contagious. You need all 5 guys on the ice to work together, but if their heads arent in it, theres nothing you can do.
I dont want Robo if it costs us 1st round picks and our best prospects. This is a flawed team, all youre doing is replacing Panarin with Robo. More than anything, the team needs an attitude adjustment, they need a voice, a leader, someone to unify the team.
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Ok brukie whatever you say
Its not whatever I say, its how the team looks on the ice. With Miller the team is worse, how can you explain that?
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https://x.com/eklund/status/2015500130376364258?s=46&t=uyemCTfXPLjxebCnYBfx6Q
I’m happy to report EK is still at it
Panarin listed as a center
Robert Thomas listed twice with different teams and %
And my personal favorite, Elias Petterson with a 25% chance to be traded to us to reunite with his least favorite person in the world jt miller -
Panarin to WSH makes sense. Give Ovechkin one last run at it. I’d take Ilya Protas and a 1st. Maybe add a 2nd or 3rd round pick but that being the meat of the trade I’d be happy with.
If Trocheck is going to be traded; DET makes the most sense. Up and coming team, they’ll have him for 3 more years after this one and he’s a good vet for some of the younger kids. If we retain I’d want a top prospect, 1sr and some other B prospects or 2nds/3rds added.
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Panarin to WSH makes sense. Give Ovechkin one last run at it. I’d take Ilya Protas and a 1st. Maybe add a 2nd or 3rd round pick but that being the meat of the trade I’d be happy with.
If Trocheck is going to be traded; DET makes the most sense. Up and coming team, they’ll have him for 3 more years after this one and he’s a good vet for some of the younger kids. If we retain I’d want a top prospect, 1sr and some other B prospects or 2nds/3rds added.
Dream bigger. Panarin @50% for Ryan leanord + whatever salary needs to come back to make it work. Reunite him with Perreault. Then lafreniere and Schneider to sj for Will smith to get the whole line back together.
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Three way trade:
To Van- rangers 1st rder (top 5-6 protected) this year and Laf
To SJ EP40 and Schneider
To NYR Will Smith and Dickenson
Why would SJ ruin what they got going on to bring in EP40? What are they in a rush to do? Theyre developing that team the right way.
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This wasnt my trade btw. I happen to see it somewhere. But I think you’re right. They would need something else, maybe Hronek instead, and Schneider to vancouver
They need defensmen in SJ. They are hot after Schneider I read
They have some solid prospects in the minors I wouldnt mind giving a look to.
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This wasnt my trade btw. I happen to see it somewhere. But I think you’re right. They would need something else, maybe Hronek instead, and Schneider to vancouver
They need defensmen in SJ. They are hot after Schneider I read
Dickinson is a defenseman
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Smith or Leonard aren’t getting traded.
Yes but let me dream
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