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I’ll give ya 3 things that’s changed the course of things
1. Firing JD. Gorton maybe too. But he could’ve hired Drury and kept JD and fired Gorton. Or idk maybe JD said it’s neither of us, or both of us
2. Laf and Kakko being meh players. JAGs – just another guy. That really set everything back and it’s reared it’s head the last two years
3. Firing Gallant. That’s probably my biggest gripe against Drury. Gallant had them playing very well up until they folded vs NJ. But that decision seemed unfair (to Gallant) and panicky but imagine players had something to say about it
I think I’m more tired of the players on this team than the front office. Maybe that’s where my disconnect is different then you guys. Get rid of all of them (older guys). My point regardless of buying selling retooling etc..you have to have older players to mentor players. Ie have Perrault play with Miller and Mika. You can’t have 20 players under 22 yrs old. Drury, for better or worse, wanted Miller and Gavrikov to be that new wave of older core players.
Moving forward- imo, Miller, Mika, Fox, Gavrikov and Shesty are the big tickets. Like they’re are all staying. Other guys need to be better (Cuylle, Laf, Schneider, etc) and add in some more youth in a variety of ways, draft right and sign smart contracts (like Trocheck was) and see what happens.
If they got Robertson I think we’d all feel much better about things. That’s the shot in the arm the fan base needs. I get the hate I do I just direct my hate elsewhere, it’s on the players not so much Drury. He gave them all 3 friggin coaches, a lot of money and they’ve been nothing but divas
I dont want Miller mentoring younger players, he has been bounced around a few times and then couldnt get along with his team mate, that too me isnt leadership material. Mika cant teach anyone, he failed himself in the playoffs!! There is no shot in the arm or magic potion to comeback, the magic potion was 2 years ago when they had a chance and were a team, now they are a bunch of individuals.
I think I’m more tired of the players on this team than the front office. Maybe that’s where my disconnect is different then you guys. Get rid of all of them (older guys). My point regardless of buying selling retooling etc..you have to have older players to mentor players. Ie have Perrault play with Miller and Mika. You can’t have 20 players under 22 yrs old. Drury, for better or worse, wanted Miller and Gavrikov to be that new wave of older core players.
Moving forward- imo, Miller, Mika, Fox, Gavrikov and Shesty are the big tickets. Like they’re are all staying. Other guys need to be better (Cuylle, Laf, Schneider, etc) and add in some more youth in a variety of ways, draft right and sign smart contracts (like Trocheck was) and see what happens.
If they got Robertson I think we’d all feel much better about things. That’s the shot in the arm the fan base needs. I get the hate I do I just direct my hate elsewhere, it’s on the players not so much Drury. He gave them all 3 friggin coaches, a lot of money and they’ve been nothing but divas
Agree with Miller being Drury’s Hail Mary. No way he was thinking rebuild with the possibility of giving up a top 10 pick either last year or this year (if it landed that was last year). He thought Miller would at least limp us into the playoffs and Drury could continue his fits as to who he wants gone next.
Like you said, letting the entire league know u didn’t want Kreider or Trouba on the team anymore put us at a gigantic disadvantage in returns of trade value. Just one of the dumbest things a GM can do it let everyone know you want a player gone no matter what. Amateur stuff from an amateur GM
Let’s look at what next season looks like
-28.3 in cap space (Trocheck included, so maybe more)
-16 players signed (which is a pretty good amount)
-top 5 pick (very likely at this rate)and more then likely one more first rder
-kids are regulars that should get better, and for the most part they already are. Laba, Perrault, Morrow, Othmann specifically
-goalie and captain signed (players you must have)
-an established coach (he isn’t going anywhere either)So with all that it’s not out of the question that they improve dramatically. Adding speed and a goal scorer is imperative. Robertson is ideal in so many ways, Doforeyev too.
Tj, Cap space is irrelevant at this time, you only need some to retain on trades and then when you want to sign a big FA, which there really isnt one out there on the market. You really are missing the whole point, when conducting business you dont announce it to the world, it puts you at a disadvantage.
Trading for Miller was nothing but a hail Mary to save the season. You dont trade for a 31yo (at the time) to lead a rebuild. Supposedly Trocheck encouraged him to come here. If thats the case, if Trocheck is traded, maybe he will waive. Now we have a 33yo (next month) for another 4 years at 8.5, talk about a waste of space. Yes Chytil was injury prone but I would have rather an under performer player, younger needing a change of scenery in a trade and a pick rather than a 31yo who couldnt get along with his team mate.
Bottom line is trading Panarin and Trocheck and bringing in another high priced scorer doesnt change the locker room. It still smells of Drury.
I ain’t reading all that
He ain’t getting fired is my answer to everything.
Anyway, Anaheim is in on Panarin. Maybe they can get McQueen. I’d think they’d protect their first rder
The thing with Anaheim is whether or not theyll be able to resign Panarin.
On the surface of things, it seems they have a lot of cap space, but they need to resign Carlsson and Gauthier. Trouba, Gudas and Mintyukov are also FA.
I don’t think they’d give McQueen for Panarin but I’d sign for it.
DET should be all over Trocheck. They’re loaded with high end prospects and should be competitive for the next 3-5 years at least. To me they’re probably the team that benefits getting him the most. I know I’ve said it before, but retaining on him should be on the table to maximize the return.
I ain’t reading all that
He ain’t getting fired is my answer to everything.
Anyway, Anaheim is in on Panarin. Maybe they can get McQueen. I’d think they’d protect their first rder
Don’t you have to have a captain tho? And this retool started 2 seasons ago. Once that Florida series ended. The first step was he is/was changing leadership. And what did they give up for him? A player who’s head is an injury waiting to happen who you would never re-sign knowing that, a RHD who we had an excess amount of, and the pick was protected. It was 15 OA, it wasn’t the end of the world. Point is just because they’re are selling off pieces don’t mean you don’t find someone to be captain. Every team in sports needs one and we didn’t have anyone worthy of it
Ideally they’re getting better as soon as next season with new players and vision, and by gods grace they draft McKenna or in the top 4.
I honestly think if he sent the letter last year you/fans/people would understand this all more. His timing was way off. Also I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s no coincidence this came out after Shesty got hurt. It’s like waving the white flag. I’m just saying I’m glad Drury started this retoool 2 years ago so we’re at least moving forward in the right direction. I mean we have potentially 5 first rders the next two years. That’s gotta mean something
Do we need a captain? No. We went quite a few years without one. However, lets assume we need one, what was wrong with making Trocheck captain? I think all of us would have been perfectly fine with him being captain. That makes bringing in Miller to be captain completely unnecessary.
What did it cost us? 11 OA. But that could have been top 10 without Miller here. Hell it could have been a net positive where we keep our 1st rd pick, and maybe have gained a 2nd rd pick for Chytil or whatever.
You say hey, its great the retool started 2 years ago. I say why? What was the point? Bring in Miller, Smith, Gavrikov… Why? Thats not the kind of moves a GM makes to retool. Those moves scream trying to salvage a team to try to make the playoffs.
Before this year started, knowing what Panarin would want in an extension, you had to know whether or not you were going to bring him back. Im quite sure that Drury had no intentions of bringing him back. So why bother doing all the other stuff? Wby bother bringing in his friend?
Salary cap? Who cares?
Leadership and veterans…? Could have brought in Dumoulin and Grzelcyk on the cheap with the lack of depth we had on the left side and their familiarity with Sullivans coaching. Its not the sexy option but youre only committed for a couple years until guys develop.
The problem tj is you have no legs to stand on. When guys said tear it down after the first time *cough*Tom*cough* you sat there, laughed and crapped on him. Years went on, Drury took over, and many of us were not happy with the decisions made, you sat there took Drury’s side and said wait. Time kept going on, and we kept saying enough is enough and do the right thing and tear it down finally. Drury starts making an embarrassment of the organization with his handling of players. We keep saying tear it down for the love of god, were just not there. He goes and trades for Miller, trades for Reilly Smith and signs Gavrikov. NOW hes finally tearing it down, and youre telling us, hey hes doing the right thing and tearing it down, be patient. You cant have it both ways. You were never on the side of tearing it down, but now, because its convenient to do so, there you are.
Then you go and question our loyalty to this organization because we dont support the management that runs the organization.
