Ryan Wilson: Penguins Take Advantage of Another Cap-Strapped Team

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    • #16008
      Bill Meltzer
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    • #16015
      Brownsoldier
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      Good read and I fully agree. There were some words heard about EK and Detroit… curious what that could look like.

    • #16030
      madmike71
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      From Haase… The Penguins have now accumulated 29 draft picks over the next three years — 17 of which are within the first three rounds.

      My how things have changed lol.

    • #16044
      jboyd919
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      Hopefully he uses some of those mid-later round picks to start adding players close to NHL level when the time is right instead of using them to draft projects.

    • #16063
      Iguanas00
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      Dubas seems to be following the same model Arizona/ Utah did, by acquiring a ton of draft capital and pipeline developmental players. The challenge is taking all that and converting it to NHL on-ice success. Not many examples of teams being successful using this route (Utah, Detroit, Buffalo). Teams don’t want to give up developed, cost-controlled younger talent. I see this as only getting worse if the NHL expands in the next couple of years.

      Wish the Pens would be in on Jason Robertson.

    • #16088
      madmike71
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      Dubas seems to be following the same model Arizona/ Utah did, by acquiring a ton of draft capital and pipeline developmental players. The challenge is taking all that and converting it to NHL on-ice success. Not many examples of teams being successful using this route (Utah, Detroit, Buffalo). Teams don’t want to give up developed, cost-controlled younger talent. I see this as only getting worse if the NHL expands in the next couple of years.

      Wish the Pens would be in on Jason Robertson.

      You need to hit on your draft picks. I don’t see any other way to build a consistent contender in a capped league. Build a good base of young (cost controlled) players. Then add when the right time is right. If we’re being completely honest, the Pens are still in the very early stages of a rebuild. They don’t have any “franchise” players on the horizon. Maybe a few good players, but no show stoppers. You need at least a couple of legit stars to be a regular contender.

      Dubas has already said he’ll use his picks to make moves if he can, but you’re right, teams usually don’t let good young prospects leave for picks.

    • #16109
      MickV
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      I think there’s something wrong with this site. It doesn’t constantly pop up fake virus scans.

    • #16138
      jboyd919
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      Dubas seems to be following the same model Arizona/ Utah did, by acquiring a ton of draft capital and pipeline developmental players. The challenge is taking all that and converting it to NHL on-ice success. Not many examples of teams being successful using this route (Utah, Detroit, Buffalo). Teams don’t want to give up developed, cost-controlled younger talent. I see this as only getting worse if the NHL expands in the next couple of years.

      Wish the Pens would be in on Jason Robertson.

      You need to hit on your draft picks. I don’t see any other way to build a consistent contender in a capped league. Build a good base of young (cost controlled) players. Then add when the right time is right. If we’re being completely honest, the Pens are still in the very early stages of a rebuild. They don’t have any “franchise” players on the horizon. Maybe a few good players, but no show stoppers. You need at least a couple of legit stars to be a regular contender.

      Dubas has already said he’ll use his picks to make moves if he can, but you’re right, teams usually don’t let good young prospects leave for picks.

      Really need those 2-3 cornerstone players via the draft but those supporting players can be had via trade (ala Florida Panthers), most of that team was acquired via trade outside of Barkov and Ekblad. Going to be tough to tell, typically those 10-20 picks in the first round don’t become jack shit. They really need to draft in the top 5 next year. That late season run by Jarry really screwed them.

    • #16175
      10inchterror
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      Good move for assets and we had too many LD anyways.

      This is how all blogs should be setup in the forum, thanks for that meltzer, also flyers suck.

      Not sure if true but I read that per frank seravelli starting in 26/27 teams will allow 1 19 yr old to play in the ahl per season.

    • #16195
      Bill Meltzer
      Keymaster

      Good move for assets and we had too many LD anyways.

      This is how all blogs should be setup in the forum, thanks for that meltzer, also flyers suck.

      Not sure if true but I read that per frank seravelli starting in 26/27 teams will allow 1 19 yr old to play in the ahl per season.

      Yeah that will kick in for 2026-27.

    • #16203
      jboyd919
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      Good move for assets and we had too many LD anyways.

      This is how all blogs should be setup in the forum, thanks for that meltzer, also flyers suck.

      Not sure if true but I read that per frank seravelli starting in 26/27 teams will allow 1 19 yr old to play in the ahl per season.

      Yeah that will kick in for 2026-27.

      That’s huge. Not only for NHL teams but more so for the kids whose development gets stunted by having to go back to Juniors with nothing more to accomplish. Hopefully that results in more kids taking the next step sooner since they get that extra year of seasoning in the AHL.

    • #16205
      MickV
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      We seem to have about 2-3 too many forwards, 2 extra D, so presumably more trades will come before the season.

      Can Brunicke play NCAA this year if they don’t think he’s ready for the NHL? I would think that’s a better option for players who are physically ready for it.

      Edit: I think the answer for him is no because he played a few AHL games last year.

    • #16261
      10inchterror
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      We seem to have about 2-3 too many forwards, 2 extra D, so presumably more trades will come before the season.

      Can Brunicke play NCAA this year if they don’t think he’s ready for the NHL? I would think that’s a better option for players who are physically ready for it.

      Edit: I think the answer for him is no because he played a few AHL games last year.

      I read somewhere that Brunicke would have to go back to juniors this year. Didn’t specify why. I think it would be best to do what Anaheim was doing and keep him up (if he shows he’s close to deserving it) and closely monitor playing time. Play him, sit him a bit to watch tape and work in the gym, repeat.

      Can you imagine how good this D would be if it was 2017. Letang, ek, dumba on that right side. Meow!

    • #16289
      jboyd919
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      We seem to have about 2-3 too many forwards, 2 extra D, so presumably more trades will come before the season.

      Can Brunicke play NCAA this year if they don’t think he’s ready for the NHL? I would think that’s a better option for players who are physically ready for it.

      Edit: I think the answer for him is no because he played a few AHL games last year.

      I read somewhere that Brunicke would have to go back to juniors this year. Didn’t specify why. I think it would be best to do what Anaheim was doing and keep him up (if he shows he’s close to deserving it) and closely monitor playing time. Play him, sit him a bit to watch tape and work in the gym, repeat.

      Can you imagine how good this D would be if it was 2017. Letang, ek, dumba on that right side. Meow!

      It’s the CHL agreement. Not old enough to go to the AHL and can’t go to NCAA because he’s already signed a pro contract.

      • #16347
        MickV
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        Yeah, I knew the CHL and NCAA rules changed, but wasn’t sure where the line was for being allowed to go to the NCAA. I see that’s it’s signing an NHL contract. This still seems too restrictive since many players sign that deal immediately after getting drafted but then don’t play a pro game for at least a year or two. Why not let them play NCAA if it’s best for them?

    • #16354
      jboyd919
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      Yeah, I knew the CHL and NCAA rules changed, but wasn’t sure where the line was for being allowed to go to the NCAA. I see that’s it’s signing an NHL contract. This still seems too restrictive since many players sign that deal immediately after getting drafted but then don’t play a pro game for at least a year or two. Why not let them play NCAA if it’s best for them?

      There’s been some changes recently with the NCAA. I believe in the past, kids from juniors weren’t allowed to go to the NCAA because they were technically receiving payment even though it was more of a stipend but with the NCAA now allowed to pay athletes, the rules changed a bit and juniors kids can now go to the NCAA after juniors and before the NHL since it’s not a pro contract — I’m not completely up to speed on it but I’m pretty sure it was usually juniors or college before and now they can do both which should be better for future kids developments.

    • #16367
      MickV
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      Yeah, I knew the CHL and NCAA rules changed, but wasn’t sure where the line was for being allowed to go to the NCAA. I see that’s it’s signing an NHL contract. This still seems too restrictive since many players sign that deal immediately after getting drafted but then don’t play a pro game for at least a year or two. Why not let them play NCAA if it’s best for them?

      There’s been some changes recently with the NCAA. I believe in the past, kids from juniors weren’t allowed to go to the NCAA because they were technically receiving payment even though it was more of a stipend but with the NCAA now allowed to pay athletes, the rules changed a bit and juniors kids can now go to the NCAA after juniors and before the NHL since it’s not a pro contract — I’m not completely up to speed on it but I’m pretty sure it was usually juniors or college before and now they can do both which should be better for future kids developments.

      It’s definitely an improvement, but assuming I understand the new rule, it means Zonnon could play NCAA this year or CHL, but Kindel can only play CHL since he’s signed his NHL contract (even though it’s not activated yet since he’s played no pro games). So, it’s better but still lacking imo.

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