Mitch was one of Matthews’ “too many passengers”

I dont know who he meant with that. AM has to look in the Mirror as well, but its going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

i wouldnt say good riddance, more like it was time to try a different approach. in the NHL the playoffs are a very different game and you cant play soft dipsy doodling hockey like Mitch does. it works a bit but good teams squish you like bug in the important games

No, he clearly wasn’t as he had more career playoff points than everybody on the team, including Tavares who is 7 years older.

senstrolltwo wrote:

I dont know who he meant with that. AM has to look in the Mirror as well, but its going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

i wouldnt say good riddance, more like it was time to try a different approach. in the NHL the playoffs are a very different game and you cant play soft dipsy doodling hockey like Mitch does. it works a bit but good teams squish you like bug in the important games

Must be why Marner was involved in winning 3 games against Florida. Funny because Kucherov, McDavid and Matthews each had 1 or less goal vs. Florida. But Marner’s the one who can’t play well in the playoffs though…

Unholy_Goalie wrote:

No, he clearly wasn’t as he had more career playoff points than everybody on the team, including Tavares who is 7 years older.

senstrolltwo wrote:

I dont know who he meant with that. AM has to look in the Mirror as well, but its going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

i wouldnt say good riddance, more like it was time to try a different approach. in the NHL the playoffs are a very different game and you cant play soft dipsy doodling hockey like Mitch does. it works a bit but good teams squish you like bug in the important games

Must be why Marner was involved in winning 3 games against Florida. Funny because Kucherov, McDavid and Matthews each had 1 or less goal vs. Florida. But Marner’s the one who can’t play well in the playoffs though…

Marner also had 1 goal against Florida
Also 1 assist total games 4-7

not that it matters since Mitch was not going to re-sign any way, but for 14 mil or whatever people think it would have taken, its not worth it.
For a PP guy, he went 29 playoff games in a row without scoring a PP goal.

Bye Mitch

senstrolltwo wrote:

Marner also had 1 goal against Florida
Also 1 assist total games 4-7

More than Kucherov, same as Matthews and McDavid. In on 3 GWG goals vs. Florida though.

not that it matters since Mitch was not going to re-sign any way, but for 14 mil or whatever people think it would have taken, its not worth it.
For a PP guy, he went 29 playoff games in a row without scoring a PP goal.

He is worth every penny. He’s a PP playmaker. Not his fault Matthews can’t hit the side of a barn in the playoffs. Also not his fault that Matthews didn’t bench himself during the 4 Nations (or after) to heal for the playoffs. But it’s always easier to blame Mitch for the faults of others. It’s the retard Leafs fan way.

Bye Mitch

Bye Leafs chances at winning a Cup.

man, there is some sour grape in here.

Mitch is a good player and did the same thing Sundin did when he left. -Did not allow the team to trade him for assets at the trade deadline.
Yeah, both players had NTC or NMC in their contracts but still they could of waived it.

Must be why Marner was involved in winning 3 games against Florida. Funny because Kucherov, McDavid and Matthews each had 1 or less goal vs. Florida. But Marner’s the one who can’t play well in the playoffs though…[/quote]
No marner isnt the only one who cant play well in games 5 – 7, but we’re stuck with matthews and marner was an FA…and HE DIDNT WANT TO STAY.

So he left.

Bye Mitch

Bye Leafs chances at winning a Cup.[/quote]

The leafs chances of winning a cup with marner were already low, so whats the difference.
In fact the past 9 years proved, the leafs COULDNT win a cup with how this team was made up.

Its really simple

gravyface wrote:

Bitch Marner cancels his charity golf tournament for “uncertain summer plans”, but yet Hyman’s still running his with a broken wrist, even though he can’t play.

Fuck Marner. Good riddance.

Meh, marner bailed on the leafs, why bother continuing another charity golf tournament?
No biggie.

Unholy_Goalie wrote:

Bye Leafs chances at winning a Cup.

shoot, they were so close over the last 10 years with Mitch

gravyface wrote:

And Nylander’s “stop bitching bro” the year prior.

Two years of this nonsense, that’s how long Bitch Marner was jerking everyone around.

Good riddance.

Plan the parade, 2026. Book it.

Not sure who he was referencing, but I hope it was about himself as well, matthews has been a disappointment in the playoffs as much as mitch

Yeah, for sure, but he was also hurt all of last year.

The Marner Saga is over thankfully, and we can move on.[/quote]

What was Matthews reason the previous years?
Marner isnt solely responsible for the leafs failings, not at all. He simply had to go due to cap and that they have too many similarly soft players making over $10m
We already overpaid matthews (twice) and couldnt afford to overpay marner again.

Marner will be missed in the reg season and games 1-4 in the playoffs for sure, specially once matthews goes down again for another injury.
But it was time for a change.
Hopefully the 2nd/3rd/4th liners we replaced him with, improve our depth and depth scoring.

greedy big hat bitch and pussywhooped coke head really(?) were the passengers????‍♂️

one soft as slime sissy down, one to go????????

throw darling Nikki in there too????

he’s a pussy ice dancer who’s blown his chance over and over????????‍♂️

berubae will send him packing????

holy toledo I’m still logged in ????

did mib fix the mobile problem?????????

senstrolltwo wrote:

Unholy_Goalie wrote:

Bye Leafs chances at winning a Cup.

shoot, they were so close over the last 10 years with Mitch

Closer to beating Florida than anybody else got last year. Definitely a lot closer than they will be with this dog shit excuse for a team they got now.

Fakepartofme wrote:

Hopefully the 2nd/3rd/4th liners we replaced him with, improve our depth and depth scoring.

What improved depth? Doesn’t exist.

Its july 9th
time to panic

“bbc codes” lmfaooooooooo ????

senstrolltwo wrote:

Its july 9th time to panic

Yes, you’re right, all those superstar 100 point free agents are just lining up to sign with the Leafs on July 9th.

And if that doesn’t work, they got a lot of elite prospects and 1st round picks ready to dominate the league or to trade for more help.

The Florida Panthers are absolutely fucked and shaking in their boots thinking about the revenge of the Leafs.

Yes, you’re right, all those superstar 100 point free agents are just lining up to sign with the Leafs on July 9th.

And if that doesn’t work, they got a lot of elite prospects and 1st round picks ready to dominate the league or to trade for more help.

The Florida Panthers are absolutely fucked and shaking in their boots thinking about the revenge of the Leafs.

[/quote]

You whine more than Marner – and that’s saying a lot.

Just do everyone a favour and go cry somewhere else JFC.

Unholy_Goalie wrote:

senstrolltwo wrote:

Its july 9th time to panic

Yes, you’re right, all those superstar 100 point free agents are just lining up to sign with the Leafs on July 9th.

That’s because they were none except Marner but he had one foot out the door already last years.

And if that doesn’t work, they got a lot of elite prospects and 1st round picks ready to dominate the league or to trade for more help.

The Florida Panthers are absolutely fucked and shaking in their boots thinking about the revenge of the Leafs.

[/quote]

Only in your eyes.
A True Leafs Fan does NOT crap all over the Leafs like you do.

Unholy_Goalie wrote:

Yes, you’re right, all those superstar 100 point free agents are just lining up to sign with the Leafs on July 9th.

And if that doesn’t work, they got a lot of elite prospects and 1st round picks ready to dominate the league or to trade for more help.

The Florida Panthers are absolutely fucked and shaking in their boots thinking about the revenge of the Leafs.

lol
rage on loser. maybe take a break from internet angry reply guy

senstrolltwo wrote:

lol
rage on loser. maybe take a break from internet angry reply guy

I’m sincerely convinced he’s invested a lot of money into Marner on the Leafs crap.

It’s crashing in value hence the crying.

Seriously UG. You’re crying. Either move to the Knights with him or stick with the Leafs. Time to make your choice.

Marner in Vegas should work out beautifully

Yes, you’re right, all those superstar 100 point free agents are just lining up to sign with the Leafs on July 9th.

And if that doesn’t work, they got a lot of elite prospects and 1st round picks ready to dominate the league or to trade for more help.

The Florida Panthers are absolutely fucked and shaking in their boots thinking about the revenge of the Leafs.[/quote]

Im all for criticizing the leafs……when needed…which has been a lot of over the past 20 – 50 years. But my gawd, your level of whining is astonishing.
Become a knights fan, and go fill their boards with your crap.

Dozzer wrote:

Marner in Vegas should work out beautifully

Lol.

Dozzer wrote:

Marner in Vegas should work out beautifully

Game, Set and Match to Dozzer.

lmao

Finally saw someone post about this question I asked a while ago.
Marner is worth about 5-6 standings points roughly. career high 7.5, if you believe in Standing points measurements (like WAR)

Matthews was way down last season (even with MM on the team)
AM having a bounce back season would make up most of that gap, alone

the response I expect is, AM will never get close to 60-70 goals without MM… and thats dumb.
I dont think he would score 60 again even with MM on the team, no player has 3, 60 goal seasons anymore
in the 50s I see that happening

With a few more tweaks and maybe a nice tdl addition, the Leafs are no worse off come playoff time..imo

Which blog are we using on this site? Lol

I get what you’re saying tho senstroll, I know Marner is a superstar passer but I honestly don’t think a healthy Matthews needs one either. Give him a powerhouse net crasher which he has in Knies and a decent top six passer who isn’t an all star and Auston will be just fine.

senstrolltwo wrote:

Finally saw someone post about this question I asked a while ago.
Marner is worth about 5-6 standings points roughly. career high 7.5, if you believe in Standing points measurements (like WAR)

Matthews was way down last season (even with MM on the team)
AM having a bounce back season would make up most of that gap, alone

the response I expect is, AM will never get close to 60-70 goals without MM… and thats dumb.
I dont think he would score 60 again even with MM on the team, no player has 3, 60 goal seasons anymore
in the 50s I see that happening

With a few more tweaks and maybe a nice tdl addition, the Leafs are no worse off come playoff time..imo

They need more than a tweak or two. They need another legit top 6 guy. Later in summer or TDL is fine.

senstrolltwo wrote:

Finally saw someone post about this question I asked a while ago.
Marner is worth about 5-6 standings points roughly. career high 7.5, if you believe in Standing points measurements (like WAR)

Matthews was way down last season (even with MM on the team)
AM having a bounce back season would make up most of that gap, alone

the response I expect is, AM will never get close to 60-70 goals without MM… and thats dumb.
I dont think he would score 60 again even with MM on the team, no player has 3, 60 goal seasons anymore
in the 50s I see that happening

With a few more tweaks and maybe a nice tdl addition, the Leafs are no worse off come playoff time..imo

It’s sort of two-fold – there have been 6 times the 60 goal mark has been hit since salary cap was instituted (Stamkos, Ovechkin, McDavid, Pastrnak and Matthews x 2)- and only 43 times in all of hockey history by 23 players.

In the captain obvious column, there’s a correlation between goals scored in a season and the number of higher scorers – and scoring is still up. Like here’s a brief history of average goals / season in the nhl:

Now here’s a test:

(It says it supports BBCodes. it does not. Here’s a shitty unformatted table to replace the one I’d tried:)

Year Average Goals Leading Scorer
2024 247 52
2023 253 69
2022 258 64
2021 255 60
2020 237 41 ** Shortened by COVID to 56 games, this prorates to 60
2019 244 48 ** Shortened by COVID to 70 games, this prorates to 56
2018 244 51
2017 240 49
2016 223 44
2015 219 50
2014 218 53
2013 219 51

It’s not always 1:1 but there’s a pretty strong correlation there between average team goals >250 and the league having a 50 goal scorer. Last year at 247 trended downwards, but the league’s best goalscorer trended downwards. If Matthews had an average season he probably bounces the league average up 1 all be himself. The league’s best player also struggled with his linemates a little and didn’t create a goal machine or be a goal machine either. My personal challenge with era-adjusted scoring is that it sort of ignores the rising tide raises all boats sort of thing – Gretzky and Lemieux alone drove scoring in the NHL. They weren’t a product of it they were a cause. Look at how league scoring drops when they were retired or aging. We see that now with McDavid, MacKinnon and Matthews driving up numbers across the board.

In conclusion, I think Matthews can do it again because he is that good at it and the league is still sustaining it.

Dozzer wrote:

Which blog are we using on this site? Lol

I get what you’re saying tho senstroll, I know Marner is a superstar passer but I honestly don’t think a healthy Matthews needs one either. Give him a powerhouse net crasher which he has in Knies and a decent top six passer who isn’t an all star and Auston will be just fine.

Yup.

Mitch Marner is an elite puck distributor but he doesn’t create room – in fact he sort of causes lanes to get closed because defenders expect him to try and find a clean passing lane. Matthew Knies is on his way to becoming a top level space creator – he can use his physical size and strength to battle low which will often draw more than one defender to his vicinity. Matthews has shown his ability to get lost in the play – which all elite goal scorers do – he doesn’t need to be in the cross crease lane to get those passes; he’ll find a soft pocket. He has more in common with Brett Hull that way than he does with Ovechkin. If Maccelli can complete a pass – or even Domi – and Matthews is healthy again, they should be okay. They will miss Marner, but ideally not as much as some seem to think.

Dozzer wrote:

Which blog are we using on this site? Lol

I get what you’re saying tho senstroll, I know Marner is a superstar passer but I honestly don’t think a healthy Matthews needs one either. Give him a powerhouse net crasher which he has in Knies and a decent top six passer who isn’t an all star and Auston will be just fine.

Can’t you guys just all stick to the latest blog?

I swear, compared to the Habs threads, you guys are all over the place!

monkeypunk wrote:

Yup.

Mitch Marner is an elite puck distributor but he doesn’t create room – in fact he sort of causes lanes to get closed because defenders expect him to try and find a clean passing lane. Matthew Knies is on his way to becoming a top level space creator – he can use his physical size and strength to battle low which will often draw more than one defender to his vicinity. Matthews has shown his ability to get lost in the play – which all elite goal scorers do – he doesn’t need to be in the cross crease lane to get those passes; he’ll find a soft pocket. He has more in common with Brett Hull that way than he does with Ovechkin. If Maccelli can complete a pass – or even Domi – and Matthews is healthy again, they should be okay. They will miss Marner, but ideally not as much as some seem to think.

Pretty much what I’m thinking. Knies is so bloody big and powerful I won’t be shocked if the opposition needs to focus two guys on him routinely. That alone will create the space that Matthews and the other winger need. Will the other winger have Marner’s passing skill? No. Will he need it? I’m also thinking no.

monkeypunk wrote:

It’s sort of two-fold – there have been 6 times the 60 goal mark has been hit since salary cap was instituted (Stamkos, Ovechkin, McDavid, Pastrnak and Matthews x 2)- and only 43 times in all of hockey history by 23 players.

In the captain obvious column, there’s a correlation between goals scored in a season and the number of higher scorers – and scoring is still up. Like here’s a brief history of average goals / season in the nhl:

Now here’s a test:

(It says it supports BBCodes. it does not. Here’s a shitty unformatted table to replace the one I’d tried:)

Year Average Goals Leading Scorer
2024 247 52
2023 253 69
2022 258 64
2021 255 60
2020 237 41 ** Shortened by COVID to 56 games, this prorates to 60
2019 244 48 ** Shortened by COVID to 70 games, this prorates to 56
2018 244 51
2017 240 49
2016 223 44
2015 219 50
2014 218 53
2013 219 51

It’s not always 1:1 but there’s a pretty strong correlation there between average team goals >250 and the league having a 50 goal scorer. Last year at 247 trended downwards, but the league’s best goalscorer trended downwards. If Matthews had an average season he probably bounces the league average up 1 all be himself. The league’s best player also struggled with his linemates a little and didn’t create a goal machine or be a goal machine either. My personal challenge with era-adjusted scoring is that it sort of ignores the rising tide raises all boats sort of thing – Gretzky and Lemieux alone drove scoring in the NHL. They weren’t a product of it they were a cause. Look at how league scoring drops when they were retired or aging. We see that now with McDavid, MacKinnon and Matthews driving up numbers across the board.

In conclusion, I think Matthews can do it again because he is that good at it and the league is still sustaining it.

If you factor in age, AM will be 28 by the start of the season.
If i looked correctly, the oldest person, in the last 30-35 years to score 60 was Brett Hull, 27
add in Health and the luck needed, its unlikley

one note, AM will get 84 games to try

Scabeh wrote:

Can’t you guys just all stick to the latest blog?

I swear, compared to the Habs threads, you guys are all over the place!

I don’t know anything, I never will, I see my neurosurgeon again in 10 days and I’m just gonna tell him to cut the rest out ????