Are the Flyers actually rebuilding… or just stalling?

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    • #64106
      PhiltheBarn
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      With the Olympic break here, the Flyers sit in a familiar spot — stuck in the middle. Not bad enough to tank, not good enough to contend.

      Three years into the Briere era, I still struggle to see a clear direction. The team lacks a true top-line center, the blue line still has no legitimate #1, and the rebuild feels more like a slow stall than a true reset.

      Michkov remains the most important piece of the entire timeline, and how the organization handles his development could define the next decade of Flyers hockey.

      I put together a full breakdown of where the roster, rebuild, and future stand coming out of the Olympic break:

      Philadelphia Flyers: Too Good to Tank, Too Flawed to Contend

    • #64108
      VonZipper
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      Plain and simple, the Flyers are the same thing they’ve been for roughly a decade now… directionless. The plan has been business as usual, and the organization has regressed, and to think otherwise is to completely ignore the results over the past 10 years.

    • #64125
      Flyers_01
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      Plain and simple, the Flyers are the same thing they’ve been for roughly a decade now… directionless. The plan has been business as usual, and the organization has regressed, and to think otherwise is to completely ignore the results over the past 10 years.

      Jonesy came out and said the entire plan hinged on them being able to buy elite talent on the UFA market starting this year, which really wasn’t a plan at all. It’s crazy how many people refused to believe their eyes. Tocch’s going to bring in those big name UFAs who want to play only for him. ROFL.

      Let’s stop calling it a rebuild because that was never the plan, it was just branding. It’s vaporware.

    • #64191
      Flyers_01
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      https://broadstreetbuzz.com/rick-tocchets-lineup-decisions-are-more-questionable-with-every-loss?page_source=v_recirc

      Tocchet is making Torts look good by comparison and this is with Torts quitting on his own team.

    • #64193
      yes its me 2050
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      Anyone who thinks this is or was a rebuild is your typical uneducated flyers fan.

      Couple questions for Bill:

      1. If the flyers continue to fade and miss the playoffs, do you see Tocchet being fired?
      2. If they miss the playoffs do you see TK or Sanheim asking for a trade?
      3. Do the flyers give any though to trading Zegras at the deadline?

    • #64201
      MBFlyerfan1
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      I see it this way. The elite teams that have won the cup over the past 2 decades have mostly the same things in common. They draft the elite talent first, especially at C, 1D and goalie, and then build the team around those elite parts through signings and development of the lesser draft picks.

      The Flyers strategy SEEMS to be draft the lesser parts (with a FEW exceptions) and try to sign the elite talent through FA. This will result in overpaying for your talent and missing out on those cost controlled years. Yes they have Michkov and hopefully Martone on the (hopefully elite) level, but they are wings, so right there you are behind the 8 ball.

      They keep talking about drafting “Flyers type players”. But Flyers type players haven’t won a cup in 50 years. Calling it CULTURE is a pablum. Every team that wins has culture. Winning breeds culture, not the other way around. Not without the talent to get it done.

      The result is what we have now and will continue to have for the foreseeable future. A hard working team that lacks elite talent and will never be able to beat a hard working team that HAS elite talent. Culture and hard work is not some exclusively Flyers trait, though they would have you believe it is.

      So lets recap, they lack elite talent, especially at the important positions, they have no elite talent in the pipeline despite having MANY high draft picks over the past few years. And are getting a less realistic chance to draft that elite talent as they rise “slightly” into the lower end of bubble territory.

      The FA agent market is already thin and getting thinner. So what is the plan? Throw a Max deal at McDavid? Yeah sure…..

      Trade some of the wings for a young center who could fill the 1C role? I guess.

      They seem to think they can win with depth over talent. I guess they need to find some of the depth, since they lack in that department as well…..

      Its very disheartening.

    • #64202
      yes its me 2050
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      I see it this way. The elite teams that have won the cup over the past 2 decades have mostly the same things in common. They draft the elite talent first, especially at C, 1D and goalie, and then build the team around those elite parts through signings and development of the lesser draft picks.

      The Flyers strategy SEEMS to be draft the lesser parts (with a FEW exceptions) and try to sign the elite talent through FA. This will result in overpaying for your talent and missing out on those cost controlled years. Yes they have Michkov and hopefully Martone on the (hopefully elite) level, but they are wings, so right there you are behind the 8 ball.

      They keep talking about drafting “Flyers type players”. But Flyers type players haven’t won a cup in 50 years. Calling it CULTURE is a pablum. Every team that wins has culture. Winning breeds culture, not the other way around. Not without the talent to get it done.

      The result is what we have now and will continue to have for the foreseeable future. A hard working team that lacks elite talent and will never be able to beat a hard working team that HAS elite talent. Culture and hard work is not some exclusively Flyers trait, though they would have you believe it is.

      So lets recap, they lack elite talent, especially at the important positions, they have no elite talent in the pipeline despite having MANY high draft picks over the past few years. And are getting a less realistic chance to draft that elite talent as they rise “slightly” into the lower end of bubble territory.

      The FA agent market is already thin and getting thinner. So what is the plan? Throw a Max deal at McDavid? Yeah sure…..

      Trade some of the wings for a young center who could fill the 1C role? I guess.

      They seem to think they can win with depth over talent. I guess they need to find some of the depth, since they lack in that department as well…..

      Its very disheartening.

      Right from Dannys mouth:

      “But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.”

    • #64329
      Flyers_01
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      https://www.inquirer.com/flyers/chris-pronger-spittin-chiclets-matvei-michkov-rick-tocchet-20260209.html

      “I don’t know any team — any team — that rebuilds with a winger,” Pronger said. “I don’t know one good team who rebuilt with a winger. You don’t rebuild with a winger, you rebuild up the middle — center, defense, goalie. I know you [draft] the best player available, and clearly he was the best player, but as it relates to that, sometimes you have to luck out, too, in a rebuild and get the right pick when the right player is available.”

      In January, Pronger posted on X that those centerpiece players are the hardest to find, and the Flyers need to be patient and deliberate about compiling assets to make those moves if they become available. But he also suggested that the best way to rebuild is to tear it all the way down, like San Jose and Chicago have done, for a chance at landing a player like Macklin Celebrini or Connor Bedard.

      Who would’ve thought?

      • #64441
        PhiltheBarn
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        They put too much of their plan into buying players in 2026. The only reason I can think they signed Tk, Tippett, and Sanheim to long term deals is because they thought they’d be able to add a difference maker or two this summer. Now they have all these guys wasting their primes on a team going nowhere for at least another two years. I do still think they can get good value for Tippett, but they seem to really love him.

    • #64334
      yes its me 2050
      Participant

      Pronger been awful chatty about the flyers it seems recently. Could he be angling for a job? If there is one organization who loves the big name, no matter the role it is the flyers.

      Since it is Pronger many flyers fans would buy into what he is selling. More so then the wonder twins.

      • #64440
        PhiltheBarn
        Participant

        Not a huge fan of bringing in another guy who’s never done the job before. Plus it sounds like the Jonesy and Briere are still aligned. Jonesey came out and said the plan was to buy elite player(s) this coming summer, which obviously is pretty much a dead end now. I see that comment as him starting to soften the blow and shovel to b/s at the end of this season.

    • #64629
      Flyers_01
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      https://x.com/BR_OpenIce/status/2021985517907456255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2021985517907456255%7Ctwgr%5Ebf53c54e15d1b0ae15483bf583dd111ffdcad19a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yardbarker.com%2Folympics%2Farticles%2Fsharks_phenom_macklin_celebrini_makes_history_in_stellar_olympic_debut%2Fs1_13132_43462877

      Remember that the Flyers “owed it to the veterans” to not do what it took to draft this guy. Instead they were just going to get a guy just like this in UFA in 2026 by throwing all that comcast money at him. Also remember that they failed to draft another talented player at a cornerstone position, with the pick they did have, who was just traded for a young Norris winning defenseman because they liked a guy who is a gym rat over talent.

      When is a plan not a plan?

      After admitting that the entire plan was to buy elite talent in the 2026 UFA pool instead of developing it and it had failed, Jones then said that trades, free agency, offer sheets, and anything within the rules are avenues the Flyers are going to explore.

      Literally everything every other team does every year. That’s not a plan, that’s a list of things they are allowed to do, in no particular order. Even the original plan (that could be an insult to plans) was like something a 4th grader drew up.

      Step 1. Buy elite talent.
      Step 2. Done!

      Well it’s 2026, the Sharks are 3 pts behind the Flyers and have a 19 yr old who will probably eclipse 100+ points by a wide margin. The Flyers have what? Culture! and the 2 Stanley Cups from the 70s that people still talk about for some reason while being stuck in the same endless loop.

    • #64673
      yes its me 2050
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      cates, brink, + whatever it takes

      for

      rights to strammel and Wallstedt

    • #64862
      Flyers_01
      Participant

      https://www.yardbarker.com/olympics/articles/winners_losers_from_group_stage_of_mens_olympic_hockey_tournament/s1_13132_43474893

      Macklin Celebrini, forward, Canada. You expect Sidney Crosby (Pittsburgh Penguins), Connor McDavid (Edmonton Oilers) and Nathan MacKinnon (Colorado Avalanche) to dominate in games like this, and they have. But Celebrini, the San Jose Sharks’ 19-year-old phenom, has arrived on the biggest stage, with the biggest stars, and has emphatically showed that he belongs.

      Imagine having him represent your team for the next 20 years. Already a star in the NHL and Internationally at 19 years old. On a 120 pt pace at 19. He will put fans in the seats and win games for you.

      The Flyers have Jett from that draft, who set a flyers record of being the youngest player to make the team, wooohoooo! 2 years later he still hasn’t played 9 total games or even assisted on a goal. But did you hear, he keeps making the team!

      Celebrini most likely will never hit FA and in the remote chance he did, why would he ever pick the Flyers. Both questions are absurd and do not constitute a plan but that’s the extent of the Flyers “plan” for year 3 of their rebuild and it has failed before it even started.

      They should do whatever they need to do to draft that talent, but they won’t. Long term thinking is not something they are capable of.

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