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May 28, 2025 at 9:52 pm #6872
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ParticipantLeafs would’ve won if Stolarz didn’t get injured, and if the passenger wasn’t being a passenger.
Woll was more than fine. The Panthers would have blown Stolarz out of the net eventually. They knew all of his weaknesses having had taken shots on him all of last year. Stolarz was on the way down statistically anyway, his injury was a terrible event but he wouldn’t have won the series by himself. There were multiple games where the Leafs couldn’t score more than 1 goal. Unless Stolarz pitches literal shutouts or starts scoring goals, his absence wasn’t the reason they lost.
May 28, 2025 at 9:51 pm #6871dmnted
Participantsign-then-trade not a sign and trade …..
May 28, 2025 at 9:15 pm #6868EggsBenny
ParticipantLeafs would’ve won if Stolarz didn’t get injured, and if the passenger wasn’t being a passenger.
May 28, 2025 at 8:59 pm #6867Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantAh, yes they do. Not often but they do happen.
Winnipeg and LA Kings for Dubois
I think the Matthew Tkachuk, trade might of been one.Ah, no, they don’t.
Sorry bud but Dubois was an RFA, not a pending UFA.
Tkachuk did not do a sign and trade as a pending UFA either.
May 28, 2025 at 8:33 pm #6862dmnted
ParticipantSign and trades happen in the NBA, not in the NHL.
Ah, yes they do. Not often but they do happen.
Winnipeg and LA Kings for Dubois
I think the Matthew Tkachuk, trade might of been one.May 28, 2025 at 4:33 pm #6843Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThis is what gets me. For me, this is a huge assumption. Just because he’s from that area doesn’t mean he would want to play there. I get it, playing closer to were he grew up.
Marner did decline to waive his nmc. So players don’t always say yes.I don’t think it’s that huge of an assumption. When a player has a career crisis, going back home can help them reset and bring comfort. If he has kids, his family can help raise them. Makes his life easier. Brings familiarity to his life. That’s why I also said Seattle, because if Vancouver doesn’t work, there’s another area that is also close that can bring similar benefits.
For Marner, it was the opposite scenario. He wants to stay close to home, not move far away from it. The Leafs were given an offer, they did their due diligence and asked Marner. They didn’t shop him out of town during the offseason. It’s a different scenario. Marner didn’t want to be a rental, didn’t want to go away from home and didn’t want to leave the team he felt he helped build. Rielly, being asked to waive, is a reset for him, not a last minute decision.
This is a no brainer as there are 21 teams they can trade them to. I’d keep Jarnkrok 2.1M for next year for a 2nd/3rd line guy is ok but if you get something better than he could be included in a bigger deal. Let’s say the Leafs do a sign and trade with Vegas Marner 11.5 x 8 nmc + Jarnkrok for Karlsson + Whitecloud. Not saying this will happen or anything like that
Jarnkrok is garbage in the playoffs. I’m sorry, but he has how many career playoff goals? 5 in 105 games? He is the wrong player for this team. He’s fine in Nashville or Columbus or any other team fighting for 8th place. But he’s not a playoff guy. He needs to go away and be replaced. I’d rather have two guys making 1 million each who throw 200 hits each rather than have Jarnkrok at 2+ AAV. If we have guys who won’t score, at least have monsters who hit.
Marner is not doing any sign and trades. He either re-signs or he leaves with his middle fingers up. Sign and trades happen in the NBA, not in the NHL.
May 28, 2025 at 4:24 pm #6842dmnted
ParticipantFor example, Rielly. Am I suggesting we trade him to San Jose? No. But Vancouver or Seattle? He would accept. They are capable of making the playoffs and he’s originally from BC. That’s not a scenario where he would say no to. – UG
This is what gets me. For me, this is a huge assumption. Just because he’s from that area doesn’t mean he would want to play there. I get it, playing closer to were he grew up.
Marner did decline to waive his nmc. So players don’t always say yes.Same goes for Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. These guys have limited NTC. The list of teams they can be sent to is longer than the ones they can’t.
This is a no brainer as there are 21 teams they can trade them to. I’d keep Jarnkrok 2.1M for next year for a 2nd/3rd line guy is ok but if you get something better than he could be included in a bigger deal. Let’s say the Leafs do a sign and trade with Vegas Marner 11.5 x 8 nmc + Jarnkrok for Karlsson + Whitecloud. Not saying this will happen or anything like that
Players accept trades, it’s just a matter of finding them a place they are okay with going to. It’s a process but not an impossible one.
I concur
May 28, 2025 at 3:50 pm #6834Unholy_Goalie
Participantyou are going to need to get some players to waive their n-mtc or nmc to which I do not see happening.
NTC and NMC are waived every single year. They always have. They always will. Including giant contracts like Karlsson if a 3rd party retains salary, if necessary, which helps some teams reach the new 70 million dollar cap floor without paying real dollars.
When a team decides, this player has to go away, the player is not going to dig their heels in and say “never”. They pick the teams they would accept to.
For example, Rielly. Am I suggesting we trade him to San Jose? No. But Vancouver or Seattle? He would accept. They are capable of making the playoffs and he’s originally from BC. That’s not a scenario where he would say no to.
Same goes for Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. These guys have limited NTC. The list of teams they can be sent to is longer than the ones they can’t.
Players accept trades, it’s just a matter of finding them a place they are okay with going to. It’s a process but not an impossible one.
May 28, 2025 at 3:28 pm #6828dmnted
Participantyou are going to need to get some players to waive their n-mtc or nmc to which I do not see happening.
May 28, 2025 at 2:22 pm #6826Unholy_Goalie
Participanttavares will be 3c behind poone jenner????
I wonder after all these years what Columbus would expect for him in return with only 1 year left on his deal. He missed most of the year injured last year but he would fit nicely with the Leafs on the short term. Long term, who knows what he would need to re-sign.
Jarnkrok, Robertson, Kampf, McMann, Rielly…these guys all can be dangled to make changes.
Rielly for Blueger and Myers.
Jarnkrok + draft picks for McBain.
Kampf, McMann and Robertson for Jenner.Jenner would have to play C if they bring back Tavares as a LW. I don’t think Jenner, by himself, would be able to carry the entire defensive load with Tavares on one wing and Nylander on the other but it would definitely be an improvement. However, I’d much prefer Reilly Smith over Tavares at LW. He’d be cheaper, a far better defensive player and has more playoff success. Can also play the PK and is from Mimico so he’s a hometown kid too. Except he’s an actual winner, unlike Tavares.
Knies | Matthews | Marner
Smith | Jenner | Nylander
Domi | McBain | B. Tanev
Laughton | Blueger | Lorentz
ComtoisOEL | Tanev
McCabe | Carlo
Dumoulin | MyersWoll | Stolarz
I see that type of team far more aggressive, bigger, defensively sound and overall an improvement.
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