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    • #39951
      FlyerFrank
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      “12. Not sure we’re going to see much trade action too early, but Philadelphia is definitely checking what’s out there on defence.”

      They should be. Hahahaha!

      https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-mcdavid-giving-oilers-every-chance-to-win-stanley-cup/

    • #39979
      yes its me 2050
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      Need to give to get. Who of quality is even available. They will probably get some 6’4 slug to fit the flyers profile. Then hype him up to an extent.

      The defense is downright putrid. Now that York is hurt it will be that much worse. In no order. That is ugly as sin.

      Sanhiem- juulson
      Seeler – jd
      Zamula – ginning

    • #39984
      FlyerFrank
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      Need to give to get. Who of quality is even available. They will probably get some 6’4 slug to fit the flyers profile. Then hype him up to an extent.

      The defense is downright putrid. Now that York is hurt it will be that much worse. In no order. That is ugly as sin.

      Sanhiem- juulson
      Seeler – jd
      Zamula – ginning

      Ginning is playing the best of the bottom end D. I can see him paired with Sanheim and then Zamula and Juulsen. The Flyers D is not great healthy. They need another Top 4 guy, which I’ve been saying is a big need since before free agency over the summer.

    • #40008
      Robert Wilson
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      PUTRID? … C’mon…. Hyperbole much? its not Darnell Nurse on Defense. I get it that fans are unhappy but be realistic with the criticism and expectations.

    • #40011
      yes its me 2050
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      PUTRID? … C’mon…. Hyperbole much? its not Darnell Nurse on Defense. I get it that fans are unhappy but be realistic with the criticism and expectations.

      if that isnt putrid then what is?

      Sanhiem- juulson
      Seeler – jd
      Zamula – ginning

    • #40020
      FlyerFrank
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      if that isnt putrid then what is?

      Sanhiem- juulson
      Seeler – jd
      Zamula – ginning

      I think Zamula and Juulsen are the 3rd pair, and that could be stress inducing. They still have to play the games. Might hold up short term. It’s not a long term solution.

    • #40226
      yes its me 2050
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    • #40228
      yes its me 2050
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      https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/how-will-the-philadelphia-flyers-use-their-cap-space-after-trading-ryan-ellis

      absolutely love it. flyers homer writers are the best. cant wait to see what hayes level player they overpay and prop up. remember when they tried to make hayes the face of the franchise, I member.

      all the “big” names will be gone and not even make it to free agency. love their base core, lol. funny how tippet is now thrown out there in trades.

    • #40239
      FlyerFrank
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      https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/how-will-the-philadelphia-flyers-use-their-cap-space-after-trading-ryan-ellis

      absolutely love it. flyers homer writers are the best. cant wait to see what hayes level player they overpay and prop up. remember when they tried to make hayes the face of the franchise, I member.

      all the “big” names will be gone and not even make it to free agency. love their base core, lol. funny how tippet is now thrown out there in trades.

      Writer did drop Byram’s name which has come up regularly in relation to Flyers interest. They really do need one more Top 4 guy. I was actually impressed with noticeable step ups through camp from York and, more importantly, Drysdale. So when fully healthy, which may or may not happen often, I think the Flyers D looks OK for a team coming out of a valley. The bad stuff I see out there doesn’t seem like system unfamiliarity, just individual gaffes.

    • #40243
      yes its me 2050
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      Yes and uses tippet as the return. Would you do that if you are buffalo?

      No, they need at least 2 top 4 guys, preferably a legit top pair. One isn’t going to cut it at all. Do not agree at all they look ok. Seeler and JD as a 2nd pair is laughable. JD showed me nothing that he will take a step to be a legit top 4 dman. They are both bottom pair guys on any contending team; if that. Should have moved Seeler when he had value. Dumb just dumb to re-sign him for 4 years.

    • #40251
      FlyerFrank
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      Yes and uses tippet as the return. Would you do that if you are buffalo?

      No, they need at least 2 top 4 guys, preferably a legit top pair. One isn’t going to cut it at all. Do not agree at all they look ok. Seeler and JD as a 2nd pair is laughable. JD showed me nothing that he will take a step to be a legit top 4 dman. They are both bottom pair guys on any contending team; if that. Should have moved Seeler when he had value. Dumb just dumb to re-sign him for 4 years.

      When healthy, this is not terrible:

      York-Sanheim
      Ginning-Risto
      Seeler-Drysdale

      Drysdale looked far more stable and reliable in his own end through camp than he did last season. That’s a good thing as I ideally had him penciled in as a 3rd pair guy with some PP time. Seeler is OK, he was out there for some bad goals in camp when he was paired with guys, namely Grans, who didn’t make the cut. My biggest concerns right now are Zamula, who throws the puck away too much and isn’t bearing down on locking guys up in close quarters, and Ersson, who is still giving up a softy a game which isn’t acceptable.

    • #40260
      yes its me 2050
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      Yes and uses tippet as the return. Would you do that if you are buffalo?

      No, they need at least 2 top 4 guys, preferably a legit top pair. One isn’t going to cut it at all. Do not agree at all they look ok. Seeler and JD as a 2nd pair is laughable. JD showed me nothing that he will take a step to be a legit top 4 dman. They are both bottom pair guys on any contending team; if that. Should have moved Seeler when he had value. Dumb just dumb to re-sign him for 4 years.

      When healthy, this is not terrible:

      York-Sanheim
      Ginning-Risto
      Seeler-Drysdale

      Drysdale looked far more stable and reliable in his own end through camp than he did last season. That’s a good thing as I ideally had him penciled in as a 3rd pair guy with some PP time. Seeler is OK, he was out there for some bad goals in camp when he was paired with guys, namely Grans, who didn’t make the cut. My biggest concerns right now are Zamula, who throws the puck away too much and isn’t bearing down on locking guys up in close quarters, and Ersson, who is still giving up a softy a game which isn’t acceptable.

      Disagree. You have a 2nd pair and 2 bottom pairs. Easily in the bottom 10 in the league. Time will teel what they have in JD. Going to be interesting to see what they do with him in terms of re-signing him. His play one will hope will dictate what they do.

      They have nothing on the horizon to get even remotely excited about. Nothing.

    • #40278
      FlyerFrank
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      Disagree. You have a 2nd pair and 2 bottom pairs. Easily in the bottom 10 in the league. Time will teel what they have in JD. Going to be interesting to see what they do with him in terms of re-signing him. His play one will hope will dictate what they do.

      They have nothing on the horizon to get even remotely excited about. Nothing.

      The Flyers are still a cut well below the Top D groupings in the league which, not surprisingly, are the defenses for the top teams in the league. You’re overestimating the rest. Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed last year. It’s a curious stat considering their overall record, but . . . there’s something there. Of course they could just forfeit all the games this season and try again next year.

    • #40294
      yes its me 2050
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      Disagree. You have a 2nd pair and 2 bottom pairs. Easily in the bottom 10 in the league. Time will teel what they have in JD. Going to be interesting to see what they do with him in terms of re-signing him. His play one will hope will dictate what they do.

      They have nothing on the horizon to get even remotely excited about. Nothing.

      The Flyers are still a cut well below the Top D groupings in the league which, not surprisingly, are the defenses for the top teams in the league. You’re overestimating the rest. Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed last year. It’s a curious stat considering their overall record, but . . . there’s something there. Of course they could just forfeit all the games this season and try again next year.

      Not overestimating anything. There is nothing there. They have a piss poor defense on paper. To argue otherwise is flat out wrong. They have 2 players (the only 2 who will be around in a few years unless moved) on D who other teams would want and help a team. Arguably you can say seeler and JD may help some team’s bottom pair.

      Again, how you try to rationalize this grouping baffles the mind.

    • #40302
      FlyerFrank
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      Not overestimating anything. There is nothing there. They have a piss poor defense on paper. To argue otherwise is flat out wrong. They have 2 players (the only 2 who will be around in a few years unless moved) on D who other teams would want and help a team. Arguably you can say seeler and JD may help some team’s bottom pair.

      Again, how you try to rationalize this grouping baffles the mind.

      There is no rationalization. Sanheim, York, Risto, Drysdale, Seeler and Mister 6 are not the Florida D corps but they aren’t piss poor either. Piss poor is Chicago’s defense even with the future Norris winner Levshunov.

    • #40312
      Flyers_01
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      Disagree. You have a 2nd pair and 2 bottom pairs. Easily in the bottom 10 in the league. Time will teel what they have in JD. Going to be interesting to see what they do with him in terms of re-signing him. His play one will hope will dictate what they do.

      They have nothing on the horizon to get even remotely excited about. Nothing.

      The Flyers are still a cut well below the Top D groupings in the league which, not surprisingly, are the defenses for the top teams in the league. You’re overestimating the rest. Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed last year. It’s a curious stat considering their overall record, but . . . there’s something there. Of course they could just forfeit all the games this season and try again next year.

      https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/nhl-shots-blocked-leaders-2024-2025-by-team

      They were the #1 shot blocking team in the league while simultaneously being one of the worst puck possession teams in the league. In short, they sucked at hockey but were very good at getting hit with pucks. Torts hockey folks!

    • #40319
      FlyerFrank
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      • #40339
        Flyers_01
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        This just in!

        I’m not sure where you are going with this? You talked about the Flyers stats last year so i talked about the coach last year.

        But i can talk more Torts if you would like.

        https://www.nhl.com/news/john-tortorella-mentor-at-olympics-hopes-to-coach-in-nhl-again

        Sullivan on Torts : I want you to reveal yourself to the players and the other coaches. I want you to show the John Tortorella that I know, that my wife knows, that my kids know, that your kids know, that you don’t show the world very often.

        Of course after that Torts went on to abuse York, refuse to talk to the captain of his team, quit on his team and generally be a pain in the ass for everyone. I guess he didn’t bloom.

        DB’s best bud folks! Really makes you wonder about his decision making.

    • #40342
      FlyerFrank
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      I’m not sure where you are going with this? You talked about the Flyers stats last year so i talked about the coach last year.

      Sullivan on Torts : I want you to reveal yourself to the players and the other coaches. I want you to show the John Tortorella that I know, that my wife knows, that my kids know, that your kids know, that you don’t show the world very often.

      This also just in: 19 guys with the team this year played for the Flyers last year.

      He’s a complicated man but no one understands him like his woman. John Shaft? No, John Tortorella. Nice to see Sullivan coaching Torts up. Again, he’s gone and the Rags will finish worse than the Flyers this year.

    • #40346
      Flyers_01
      Participant

      This also just in: 19 guys with the team this year played for the Flyers last year.

      He’s a complicated man but no one understands him like his woman. John Shaft? No, John Tortorella. Nice to see Sullivan coaching Torts up. Again, he’s gone and the Rags will finish worse than the Flyers this year.

      Why do you think the Flyers are a better team than the Rangers?

    • #40352
      FlyerFrank
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      Why do you think the Flyers are a better team than the Rangers?

      After Shesterkin, who is absolutely better than either Flyer goalie, Fox and Gavrikov on D and Penarin, they have nothing. Literally nothing. They can’t draft. It’s killing them.

    • #40353
      VonZipper
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      After Shesterkin, who is absolutely better than either Flyer goalie, Fox and Gavrikov on D and Penarin, they have nothing. Literally nothing. They can’t draft. It’s killing them.

      Seeing a lot of the pundits have a three-way battle between the Flyers, Penguins, and Rangers as to who finished at the bottom of the Metro.

    • #40356
      FlyerFrank
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      Seeing a lot of the pundits have a three-way battle between the Flyers, Penguins, and Rangers as to who finished at the bottom of the Metro.

      Don’t count out the Islanders. The only locks to finish ahead of the Flyers in the Metro I see are WSH, CAR and NJ. The Negadelphians I see here are really overestimating the majority of the league.

    • #40357
      yes its me 2050
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      Why do you think the Flyers are a better team than the Rangers?

      After Shesterkin, who is absolutely better than either Flyer goalie, Fox and Gavrikov on D and Penarin, they have nothing. Literally nothing. They can’t draft. It’s killing them.

      remove the flyers top 4 players ( MM, Tk, Sanheim, ?). what do they have?

    • #40365
      FlyerFrank
      Participant

      remove the flyers top 4 players ( MM, Tk, Sanheim, ?). what do they have?

      Young players with upside and not overpaid, sagging vets like Zibanejad, Miller and Trocheck.

    • #40367
      yes its me 2050
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      remove the flyers top 4 players ( MM, Tk, Sanheim, ?). what do they have?

      Young players with upside and not overpaid, sagging vets like Zibanejad, Miller and Trocheck.

      they have noting as well then. they have 1 elite level player in martone. that’s it holmes.

      every team has young players with “upside”

    • #40375
      FlyerFrank
      Participant

      every team has young players with “upside”

      Especially the Rangers. Look at that track record of excellence.

      https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007089.html

    • #40377
      yes its me 2050
      Participant

      every team has young players with “upside”

      Especially the Rangers. Look at that track record of excellence.

      flyers are the gold standard.

    • #40458
      Trox88
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      They have so many wingers in the organization, I could see Briere trying to trade a winger for a Dman. It will have to be a Zegras type trade, which the Flyers will hope to win. Byram in that regard makes sense. Rumor has been Briere with interest in Brandt Clarke. I am very concerned about the Oliver Bonk injury. Just two more weeks before he is ready to go, well have not heard that one before.

    • #40879
      FlyerFrank
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      Rasmus Andersson, right handed D, pretty good, fits under the cap, end of season UFA. Might be available sooner. We will see. It’s a very safe bet, after the big Frost trade last year, Briere has at least checked in on him.

    • #41119
      Trox88
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      Rasmus Andersson, right handed D, pretty good, fits under the cap, end of season UFA. Might be available sooner. We will see. It’s a very safe bet, after the big Frost trade last year, Briere has at least checked in on him.

      I thought about Andersson also. With Rasmus turning 29 soon, I do wonder if Briere would use significant assets to improve the blueline for a younger Dman. I do not know, but this top 6 is not playoff contender quality even when/if York and Risto return.

    • #41122
      yes its me 2050
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      Rasmus Andersson, right handed D, pretty good, fits under the cap, end of season UFA. Might be available sooner. We will see. It’s a very safe bet, after the big Frost trade last year, Briere has at least checked in on him.

      he is a real good dman. will have a lot of interest.

      help me understand why he would choose to come to the flyers for his last big contract.

    • #41133
      FlyerFrank
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      he is a real good dman. will have a lot of interest.

      help me understand why he would choose to come to the flyers for his last big contract.

      That’s the catch, isn’t it? Choosing the Flyers over the Rags, at least, is a no brainer.

      Trade Pitch Sees Rangers Acquiring $27.3M Defenseman Blockbuster Deal

    • #41135
      yes its me 2050
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      he will have many suitors. flyers at the bottom of his list I would imagine. therefor not really realistic

      once that communist socialist mayor is elected in NY it will be interesting to see if it effects athletes wanting to play in NY. he wants to tax the shit out of high earners.

    • #41138
      Trox88
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      he will have many suitors. flyers at the bottom of his list I would imagine. therefor not really realistic

      once that communist socialist mayor is elected in NY it will be interesting to see if it effects athletes wanting to play in NY. he wants to tax the shit out of high earners.

      I do believe if the Flyers acquire a Dman, the player will have term left on their contract because the Flyers are not really a destination franchise right now. So I would expect a Byram type Dman to be the player they would acquire.

    • #41142
      FlyerFrank
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      he will have many suitors. flyers at the bottom of his list I would imagine. therefor not really realistic

      once that communist socialist mayor is elected in NY it will be interesting to see if it effects athletes wanting to play in NY. he wants to tax the shit out of high earners.

      Andersson is from socialist Sweden so he likely won’t have a problem with that. The Rags organization? That’s a different question.

    • #41144
      yes its me 2050
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      he will have many suitors. flyers at the bottom of his list I would imagine. therefor not really realistic

      once that communist socialist mayor is elected in NY it will be interesting to see if it effects athletes wanting to play in NY. he wants to tax the shit out of high earners.

      Andersson is from socialist Sweden so he likely won’t have a problem with that. The Rags organization? That’s a different question.

      he wont like his $$$$ being taxed out the ass.

      either way he isnt a flyers option. they will probably trade for dylan mcllarth…..

    • #41147
      FlyerFrank
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      he wont like his $$$$ being taxed out the ass.

      either way he isnt a flyers option. they will probably trade for dylan mcllarth…..

      As a UFA, are the Flyers an option for Andersson? Vegas needs to do something about replacing Pietrangelo, who might be finished. Climate wise, Vegas would be a big adjustment from Arctic Calgary. The Flyers do need one Top 4 guy. Byram is the other guy who might be available. That’s about it for now as far as I know.

    • #41150
      yes its me 2050
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      he wont like his $$$$ being taxed out the ass.

      either way he isnt a flyers option. they will probably trade for dylan mcllarth…..

      As a UFA, are the Flyers an option for Andersson? Vegas needs to do something about replacing Pietrangelo, who might be finished. Climate wise, Vegas would be a bid adjustment from Arctic Calgary. The Flyers do need one Top 4 guy. Byram is the other guy who might be available. That’s about it for now as far as I know.

      option yes. realistic option no.

      byram has a 2-year contract then UFA. After being in buff does he want to re-sign with buff south? buff will move him if he wont re-sign long term. do you trade for him without an ext?

      their best bet is to somehow trade for someone who has term or control. who that is I dont know.

    • #41160
      FlyerFrank
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      their best bet is to somehow trade for someone who has term or control. who that is I dont know.

      UFA pickings are slim after Andersson. RFAs who might be moved, also slim.

      https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/_/year/2026/position/d/type/ufa

    • #41173
      yes its me 2050
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      lots of born to flyer types on that list.

    • #41334
      Flyers_01
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      With the Flyers playing against Ghost tonight, is there any question as to him having a better career since he left the Flyers than anyone who played for the Flyers except maybe Sanheim over the last 5 years?

      He plays 20 minutes a night dman averaging 29 pts/yr on the PP the last 2 years while making 3.2 mill/yr and cost nothing to acquire. Thankfully the Flyers have no issues on the PP. That’s why Carolina is a well run team and the Flyers keep throwing darts and draft picks at the wrong players. He’s making only slightly more than Nick Seeler, the guy the Flyers can’t live without and who they gave a 4 year contract.

      Unfortunately the Flyers have shown no signs of growth on defensive talent evaluation in the last 6 years.

    • #41358
      yes its me 2050
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      Rick Tocchet thinks Jamie Drysdale can play like Quinn Hughes and Cale Makar

      JFC flyers cant help themselves. just a silly as comment. if he is as good as karl dykhuis its a win.

    • #41376
      TheBigE
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      0 shots so far

    • #41432
      Flyers_01
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      0 shots so far

      Through 2 complete games. Drysdale has 0 SOG, 0 points, -1. I can see the Makar comparison.

    • #41581
      yes its me 2050
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      0 shots so far

      Through 2 complete games. Drysdale has 0 SOG, 0 points, -1. I can see the Makar comparison.

      nah more like quinn hughes

      sanheim, drafted by ronald hextall, is the flyers best dman. in 10 years they have york and nothing else to show from their drafts on defense

    • #41585
      Trox88
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      Interested to see if BUF is willing to move Byram now that Josh Norris is expected to be out “long-term”. They are one of a very few teams that has actually been worse then the Flyers over the last decade. I do believe the smoke Tippett is on the market. The regime even if they cannot believe Risto will be reliable enough to stay healthy when he returns to be a mainstay in the top 6 until his contract expires.

    • #41712
      Flyers_01
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      Interested to see if BUF is willing to move Byram now that Josh Norris is expected to be out “long-term”. They are one of a very few teams that has actually been worse then the Flyers over the last decade. I do believe the smoke Tippett is on the market. The regime even if they cannot believe Risto will be reliable enough to stay healthy when he returns to be a mainstay in the top 6 until his contract expires.

      For a team that is in the playoff mix and adding players, adding to that defense is a must. Hard to believe that Ghost, who has averaged 29 PP/yr points over the last 2 seasons, plays 20 minutes a night, 70+ games every year and only makes a little over half of Risto wasn’t an option when he was available a year ago for just over 3 mill. It would be great if the Flyers had a player like that but were to busy focusing on blocking pucks to worry about inexpensive puck moving defensemen who excel on the PP. DB and Jones are just smarter than Carolina.

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