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  • #55396
    Bill Meltzer
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    #55404
    yes its me 2050
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    huge game for buffalo. bringing up the rear they need to go on a run…..

    will GH ever sit? accountability only applies to some. he offers next to nothing at this point. he is spent.

    hope they can find a way to get MM some more minutes. Nah no need.

    #55417
    FlyerFrank
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    The Flyers just got through two six game stretches against tough competition with enough points to get them to the second best record in the conference. Now they’ve got a 7 game stretch where they need to take care of business against teams they’re clearly better than. I don’t care that 6 of them are on the road. Ten points in this stretch should be the goal. I don’t care at all most of them are on the road. This is take care of business time and they need to put some distance between themselves and the teams chasing them . . . which is everybody except CAR.

    Thu, Dec 18 @ Buffalo
    Sat, Dec 20 @ New York
    Mon, Dec 22 vs Vancouver
    Tue, Dec 23 @ Chicago
    Sun, Dec 28 @ Seattle
    Tue, Dec 30 @ Vancouver
    Wed, Dec 31 @ Calgary

    BUF stinks, the Rags can’t put the puck in the ocean, VAN is worse than BUF, CHI was sagging before Bedard got hurt, SEA showed little in their first matchup and there’s should be some revenge in mind vs. CGY.

    Foerster was never going to be available for these games, but his injury news is bad. The combination of Grundstrom, a career .25 PPG guy over 300 games who needs to produce at about a .5 PPG clip to keep some offense going, and Risto, who should cut the goals against a good bit, will have to do for now. The Flyers have to hope that adding those two will wash out the loss of their top GPG guy in TF.

    #55423
    yes its me 2050
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    what evidence is there risto will cut the goals by a good bit? there is next to no chance carl puts up half point per game rest of the way. nothing but an ok dime a dozen 4th line player.

    there is very little separation from top to bottom. all propped up by artificial points. like the flyers 4 games up on buffalo. that is not a huge deficit at all. this is what the owners want. makes for boring hockey. like how the flyers and others play.

    you should not get any points for losing. never ever. not sure why they find that hard to implement. regulation wins having the same value as OT and shootout wins is also flawed. again, this is what the owners want to prop up teams.

    go flyers. brick by brick.

    who will they trade a 1st for to replace the forest? looking forward to seeing the forest back for the ECF.

    #55433
    Flyers4Ever
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    Sabres will probably have a bit of an emotional burst due to the GM replacement, Flyers just need to weather any early storm and they should be ok.

    #55434
    FlyerFrank
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    what evidence is there risto will cut the goals by a good bit? there is next to no chance carl puts up half point per game rest of the way. nothing but an ok dime a dozen 4th line player.

    there is very little separation from top to bottom. all propped up by artificial points. like the flyers 4 games up on buffalo. that is not a huge deficit at all. this is what the owners want. makes for boring hockey. like how the flyers and others play.

    you should not get any points for losing. never ever. not sure why they find that hard to implement. regulation wins having the same value as OT and shootout wins is also flawed. again, this is what the owners want to prop up teams.

    go flyers. brick by brick.

    who will they trade a 1st for to replace the forest? looking forward to seeing the forest back for the ECF.

    One game is a small sample size but holding MTL, which does have a decent offense, to one goal at home is a nice start. They’re only 32 games into the season so things are still a little tight. Which team in the bottom half of the conference looks like they’re going to turn things around and start on a 7-3 streak any time soon? The NHL has had the loser point for a quarter of a century now. Perhaps going outside and yelling at clouds will be more effective than complaining about that.

    #55438
    yes its me 2050
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    what evidence is there risto will cut the goals by a good bit? there is next to no chance carl puts up half point per game rest of the way. nothing but an ok dime a dozen 4th line player.

    there is very little separation from top to bottom. all propped up by artificial points. like the flyers 4 games up on buffalo. that is not a huge deficit at all. this is what the owners want. makes for boring hockey. like how the flyers and others play.

    you should not get any points for losing. never ever. not sure why they find that hard to implement. regulation wins having the same value as OT and shootout wins is also flawed. again, this is what the owners want to prop up teams.

    go flyers. brick by brick.

    who will they trade a 1st for to replace the forest? looking forward to seeing the forest back for the ECF.

    One game is a small sample size but holding MTL, which does have a decent offense, to one goal at home is a nice start. They’re only 32 games into the season so things are still a little tight. Which team in the bottom half of the conference looks like they’re going to turn things around and start on a 7-3 streak any time soon? The NHL has had the loser point for a quarter of a century now. Perhaps going outside and yelling at clouds will be more effective than complaining about that.

    doesn’t matter how long (hasn’t been 25 years) they have had it, its dumb. no complaining, stating simple facts you fcs.

    any of those teams in the conference can go on a positive or negative run. sabres 3-0 last 3. panthers 6-3-1 last 10. pens 0-6 last 6. makes for boring ass hockey. begging and praying for OT.

    go flyers. path to the ECF goes through philly.

    #55440
    FlyerFrank
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    doesn’t matter how long (hasn’t been 25 years) they have had it, its dumb. no complaining, stating simple facts you fcs.

    any of those teams in the conference can go on a positive or negative run. sabres 3-0 last 3. panthers 6-3-1 last 10. pens 0-6 last 6. makes for boring ass hockey. begging and praying for OT.

    go flyers. path to the ECF goes through philly.

    The loser point was brought in during the 1999–2000 season. A century is 100 years, one quarter of a century is 25 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_all-time_NHL_standings#

    Sure any of those teams can go on a hot streak. Will they? They don’t show signs of it. The Panthers can certainly make the playoffs because their division is terrible and the top 3 make it no matter what. If there’s a flaw in the NHL, it’s that and the playoff seeding. Five Metro teams are going and the Flyers seem more and more likely to be one of them.

    #55442
    Trox88
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    With Risto back, I do wonder if Tocchet will split up Drysdale and Andrae. The time on ice was much more evenly spread out among the 6 Dmen then previously when Risto and York were on the shelf. This team really relies a lot on the Dmen generating offense, so I anticipate splitting up 2 puck moving Dmen eventually.

    As far as Hathaway, I just do not understand the thought process at this point. Back in the day, Kent Manderville could at least take faceoffs while giving no offense.

    #55630
    Trox88
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    I believe it is safe to assume Ersson is a below average backup goaltender playing in the NHL. The third goal at the end of the second period was a shot that needs to be stopped. Ersson is now sitting at a .869 save %, there is no way a team can make the playoffs playing a goal 30 or more games with such poor results. Even if he can get back to his career .886 save % will not be good enough, especially considering this HC is certainly more concerned about defensive responsibility over offensive attack.

    The 4th line can easily be reshuffled with players already on the roster and the HC just will not do it. He only allows the team to go to attack mode right after a PK. For Briere to be shopping for a 4th line center when that position can be easily filled internally is foolish. Of course, I expect that path to be chosen.

    #55639
    yes its me 2050
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    I believe it is safe to assume Ersson is a below average backup goaltender playing in the NHL. The third goal at the end of the second period was a shot that needs to be stopped. Ersson is now sitting at a .869 save %, there is no way a team can make the playoffs playing a goal 30 or more games with such poor results. Even if he can get back to his career .886 save % will not be good enough, especially considering this HC is certainly more concerned about defensive responsibility over offensive attack.

    The 4th line can easily be reshuffled with players already on the roster and the HC just will not do it. He only allows the team to go to attack mode right after a PK. For Briere to be shopping for a 4th line center when that position can be easily filled internally is foolish. Of course, I expect that path to be chosen.

    Nd- Abols – GH is not a an nhl viable 4th line.

    IMO they need to replace all 3. after all these years they still can’t even produce a solid 4th line internally. I do not think they have anyone on the phantoms to fill the 4th line role the coach envisions. he seems to have a 1 track mind of the role of a 4th line.

    refuses to have grebenkin play every game in that role. Said a while back can’t wait to see who they acquire to be the next Grant/Thompson.

    Sam has never been that good no matter where he has played professionally. If they re-sign him with a raise that will be very funny.

    #55652
    Bill Meltzer
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    #55668
    FlyerFrank
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    Bad game. If that wasn’t Sanheim’s worst game of the season, I can’t remember what was. Not as bad as the losses to TOR and CGY, but close enough. Need to get things back on track fast vs the Rags. Can they go 5-1 over these next six games against inferior opposition? Not with more efforts like last night.

    #55670
    Trox88
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    I believe it is safe to assume Ersson is a below average backup goaltender playing in the NHL. The third goal at the end of the second period was a shot that needs to be stopped. Ersson is now sitting at a .869 save %, there is no way a team can make the playoffs playing a goal 30 or more games with such poor results. Even if he can get back to his career .886 save % will not be good enough, especially considering this HC is certainly more concerned about defensive responsibility over offensive attack.

    The 4th line can easily be reshuffled with players already on the roster and the HC just will not do it. He only allows the team to go to attack mode right after a PK. For Briere to be shopping for a 4th line center when that position can be easily filled internally is foolish. Of course, I expect that path to be chosen.

    Nd- Abols – GH is not a an nhl viable 4th line.

    IMO they need to replace all 3. after all these years they still can’t even produce a solid 4th line internally. I do not think they have anyone on the phantoms to fill the 4th line role the coach envisions. he seems to have a 1 track mind of the role of a 4th line.

    refuses to have grebenkin play every game in that role. Said a while back can’t wait to see who they acquire to be the next Grant/Thompson.

    Sam has never been that good no matter where he has played professionally. If they re-sign him with a raise that will be very funny.

    For me, the center depth chart should be fairly simple this season-

    Zegras-Dvorak-Cates-Couts

    I have no illusions this is a Cup contending team making these changes. However, I do not understand the willingness to use assets to upgrade 4C outside the organization considering the team is not a true contender. Couts on the 4th line will still allow him to get over 12 minutes. He will still play PK and PP. In theory, maximizing the offensive attack for the team will allow more opportunities for the team to be protecting a lead in the 3rd period. Couts would be taking defensive draws outside of his line rotating with the other lines. The HC likes to rotate 4 lines. Well, in my hypothetical I would form Grebenkin-Couts-Grundstrom even with Foerster out.

    All that being written, the chances of these changes happening is slim to none. Just waiting for Teddy Blueger to come off IR and Briere to trade a draft pick for him.

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