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  • #48457
    Bill Meltzer
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    #48461
    FlyerFrank
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    I would look for an entertaining game tonight considering EDM is the opponent. The Flyers seem to come up a little better against the marquee opponents, play down to the teams that bring less than that. Foerster seems likely to be back. Lines were juggled a little too much for my taste while he was out. Thought that hurt them, especially against CGY. Vladar in goal is always the better option. They’re still in a playoff spot on November 12, but need 2 points tonight to keep that going.

    #48468
    yes its me 2050
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    At least it Is not a trap game scenario.

    Every eastern conf team is in in the playoff “hunt” . very little separation. Really something to build on. Battling it out for that final playoff spot will be exciting. Flyers brass believe in the just need to get in and you have a shot.

    Danny should be looking to get his players some help. They have earned. Just imagine when Risto and Bonk come back. Adding 2 top 4 dman is something no other team can claim off the top of my head.

    #48471
    FlyerFrank
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    Just imagine when Risto and Bonk come back.

    Risto’s return will be a good thing but he’s missed so much time. It was supposed to be 6 months and the surgery was in March. We’re two months beyond that and no firm return date yet. He was the Flyers second best Dman last year. Assume he’s up to date on all the systems/watch tape stuff and his cardio is OK since it’s his arm that’s the issue.

    Not expecting anything from Bonk this year, but what the hell did he do to himself? Upper body without surgery needed. It’s been two months plus. Everybody was commenting on the bulk gain. I hope he didn’t injure himself pushing things in the gym. Unforced error if that’s what happened.

    #48573
    Bill Meltzer
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    #48589
    yes its me 2050
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    the goalie is providing all the camouflage. this is not a good team. Any person taking a non-biased view will say as much.

    #48629
    Flyers_01
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    Just imagine when Risto and Bonk come back.

    Risto’s return will be a good thing but he’s missed so much time. It was supposed to be 6 months and the surgery was in March. We’re two months beyond that and no firm return date yet. He was the Flyers second best Dman last year. Assume he’s up to date on all the systems/watch tape stuff and his cardio is OK since it’s his arm that’s the issue.

    Not expecting anything from Bonk this year, but what the hell did he do to himself? Upper body without surgery needed. It’s been two months plus. Everybody was commenting on the bulk gain. I hope he didn’t injure himself pushing things in the gym. Unforced error if that’s what happened.

    Risto has missed 50% of his games since the start of 2023. He’s lost an entire season’s worth of games and not gotten above 20 pts since he joined the Flyers 5 years ago. He reinvented himself as a 3rd pair dman, when healthy, who now excels at not being asked to do a lot.

    It’s great that Risto has reinvented himself as a defensive defenseman, when available, while still being paid to be the franchise/PP QB defenseman, for him. Him and his 9 PP points in 4 years. Ghost has had 90 PP points in that time frame and we wonder why the Flyers PP has sucked.

    There has been no news on Risto or Bonk in a month. The last update on both was at least 5 to 6 weeks suggesting it could go on even longer. Do we have proof of life on either player? Very reminiscent of Ellis.

    #48636
    yes its me 2050
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    Just imagine when Risto and Bonk come back.

    Risto’s return will be a good thing but he’s missed so much time. It was supposed to be 6 months and the surgery was in March. We’re two months beyond that and no firm return date yet. He was the Flyers second best Dman last year. Assume he’s up to date on all the systems/watch tape stuff and his cardio is OK since it’s his arm that’s the issue.

    Not expecting anything from Bonk this year, but what the hell did he do to himself? Upper body without surgery needed. It’s been two months plus. Everybody was commenting on the bulk gain. I hope he didn’t injure himself pushing things in the gym. Unforced error if that’s what happened.

    Risto has missed 50% of his games since the start of 2023. He’s lost an entire season’s worth of games and not gotten above 20 pts since he joined the Flyers 5 years ago. He reinvented himself as a 3rd pair dman, when healthy, who now excels at not being asked to do a lot.

    It’s great that Risto has reinvented himself as a defensive defenseman, when available, while still being paid to be the franchise/PP QB defenseman, for him. Him and his 9 PP points in 4 years. Ghost has had 90 PP points in that time frame and we wonder why the Flyers PP has sucked.

    There has been no news on Risto or Bonk in a month. The last update on both was at least 5 to 6 weeks suggesting it could go on even longer. Do we have proof of life on either player? Very reminiscent of Ellis.

    what is the bonk injury? no one knows. the local beats refuse to find out or are sworn to secrecy. gold standard orginization

    #48639
    FlyerFrank
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    Risto has missed 50% of his games since the start of 2023. He’s lost an entire season’s worth of games and not gotten above 20 pts since he joined the Flyers 5 years ago. He reinvented himself as a 3rd pair dman, when healthy, who now excels at not being asked to do a lot.

    It’s great that Risto has reinvented himself as a defensive defenseman, when available, while still being paid to be the franchise/PP QB defenseman, for him. Him and his 9 PP points in 4 years. Ghost has had 90 PP points in that time frame and we wonder why the Flyers PP has sucked.

    Risto gets paid to fill a roster spot. If he’s more effective than whoever he replaces, likely Juulsen, how is that bad for the team when that happens? None of where he was drafted, what scoring numbers he put up in Buffalo, what the Flyers gave up to get him, how often he’s injured or what his contract is matters.

    Ghost hasn’t played here in a half a decade and has moved four times since. Not sure how focusing on everything other than how this year’s team is doing is even marginally interesting or relevant.

    #48759
    Flyers_01
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    Risto has missed 50% of his games since the start of 2023. He’s lost an entire season’s worth of games and not gotten above 20 pts since he joined the Flyers 5 years ago. He reinvented himself as a 3rd pair dman, when healthy, who now excels at not being asked to do a lot.

    It’s great that Risto has reinvented himself as a defensive defenseman, when available, while still being paid to be the franchise/PP QB defenseman, for him. Him and his 9 PP points in 4 years. Ghost has had 90 PP points in that time frame and we wonder why the Flyers PP has sucked.

    Risto gets paid to fill a roster spot. If he’s more effective than whoever he replaces, likely Juulsen, how is that bad for the team when that happens? None of where he was drafted, what scoring numbers he put up in Buffalo, what the Flyers gave up to get him, how often he’s injured or what his contract is matters.

    Ghost hasn’t played here in a half a decade and has moved four times since. Not sure how focusing on everything other than how this year’s team is doing is even marginally interesting or relevant.

    That’s very simplistic. If all you care about is winning a game in November that nobody will remember, sure. If your goals are more long term like say building a Stanley Cup roster, it absolutely matters. The short term thinking that has doomed the Flyers front office for years.

    #48773
    FlyerFrank
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    That’s very simplistic. If all you care about is winning a game in November that nobody will remember, sure. If your goals are more long term like say building a Stanley Cup roster, it absolutely matters. The short term thinking that has doomed the Flyers front office for years.

    There’s a balance between short and long term thinking. I suppose the Flyers should be deliberately tanking for a better draft pick next year since they won’t win the cup this year.

    #48907
    Flyers_01
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    That’s very simplistic. If all you care about is winning a game in November that nobody will remember, sure. If your goals are more long term like say building a Stanley Cup roster, it absolutely matters. The short term thinking that has doomed the Flyers front office for years.

    There’s a balance between short and long term thinking. I suppose the Flyers should be deliberately tanking for a better draft pick next year since they won’t win the cup this year.

    They should’ve been selling off anything that didn’t fit a realistic and intentional rebuilding plan. They basically rebranded a poorly constructed capped out team with no assets as rebuilding when in reality they were trying as hard as they could to make the playoffs every year. It’s like saying the guy with $10 in his bank account decided to be responsible and not to buy the fancy new car rather than admitting he didn’t have the money for the down payment but if he did he’d buy the car.

    It doesn’t matter what i think they should do. I thought, if they were going to keep Jett up because they were “concerned” with his development, that they would’ve tried to actually develop him at the NHL level rather than bury him on the bench before sending him down as soon as the media found a new shiny object. I think Andrae deserves to be playing full time in the NHL over some other players on the roster who are worse but larger. If you don’t want the kid despite his skill, trade him for whatever you can get. Pretending he has a future with this FO and coaching staff is just insulting. ND, what more can i say, the coaching staff loves this guy.

    As long as the Flyers are in a playoff position nobody cares about the long term which i think sums up the front office and most fans alike. The Stanley Cup is just mentioned as a marketing tool rather than something to build towards.

    The Flyers foundation is built on quicksand. They are just outside a playoff position but also only 2 points out of last place.

    But yea the Flyers are worried about Risto and winning an extra game in December 2025 vs having someone like a young franchise center Connor Bedard who is setting records for the Blackhawks or a projected franchise dman like Buium playing 20 min/night for the Wild.

    There’s players you build the team around for the next 10 years and there’s the Flyers way where you go down with the ship never thinking past the current season. The Flyers are just so much smarter than the NHL that everyone should be copying them instead of pretty much ignoring them. They think they are still a destination team rather than a knockoff of the Buffalo Sabres.

    As far as Risto and Bonk are concerned it’s all academic. Are we sure they are ever going to play again or what Bonk’s injury even is?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=connor+bedard+breaking+records&rlz=1C1RXQR_enUS1155US1155&oq=connor+bedard+breaking+records&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDYyMjVqMGoxqAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    It sure would be nice to have a Connor Bedard player on the Flyers. Hell, even a Cutter Gauthier might be the best forward on the Flyers if he had actually been treated as well as Jett has been and on a rookie contract and not on an 8 year expensive contract the next GM will have to deal with moving.

    #48920
    yes its me 2050
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    The flyers way is proven to be a failure and not successful. There is no other way to view it. The results are all the proof you need. yet the gold standard still goes down the same road.

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