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flyers will do anything to justify playing nd. hope he is a lineup staple. he deters nothing. if I was a ” fighter” on the other team I wouldn’t even engage him, I would laugh at him at this stage.
2nd game of the preseason 2 weeks ago is a lot different than the regular season. Call up Grundy and say goodbye to ND. He’s not an NHL player at this point in his career and it’s not like he brings a wealth of playoff experience with a total of 5 games.
Reminds me a little bit of Keith Yandle in a Flyers uniform. Neither one of them should’ve been on any NHL team at the end of their careers. Yandle’s was worse though because it didn’t matter how bad and embarrassing he was, no matter how many games he cost them, the Flyers promised him that they would let him break the iron man streak. The exclamation point on a lost season and a middle finger to the paying fans who paid to see the best team iced, not a farewell tour for a player who overstayed his welcome by at least 2 years.
Chuck was so great at picking dmen .. yandle, Ellis, Risto, TDA. How did the Flyers not win a cup with these standouts? ND was another of those stellar signings.
Anyways, ND was a bad long term signing for a 4th line (with modified NTC) as an aging enforcer in a league moving away from fighting when he was signed and he’s even more useless now.
Edit : Fun Fact – The Flyers are paying ND almost as much in his mid 30s to sit on the bench and retire a flyer than he made during the previous 10 years combined.
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flyers will do anything to justify playing nd.
Anyways, ND was a bad long term signing for a 4th line (with modified NTC) as an aging enforcer in a league moving away from fighting when he was signed and he’s even more useless now.
ND is playing vs. Florida, won’t play vs. CAR. Hope you’re not too disappointed. If you think the Flyers D looks bad, you should have watched Chicago’s yesterday. Knight in goal was the only thing that kept them from being blown out. Flyers had a respectable 1-1-1 record against FLA last year. FLA is banged up up front, Flyers are banged up on D. Should be fun.
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flyers will do anything to justify playing nd.
Anyways, ND was a bad long term signing for a 4th line (with modified NTC) as an aging enforcer in a league moving away from fighting when he was signed and he’s even more useless now.
ND is playing vs. Florida, won’t play vs. CAR. Hope you’re not too disappointed. If you think the Flyers D looks bad, you should have watched Chicago’s yesterday. Knight in goal was the only thing that kept them from being blown out. Flyers had a respectable 1-1-1 record against FLA last year. FLA is banged up up front, Flyers are banged up on D. Should be fun.
Florida is loving it seeing his name in the lineup. As will every team. means flyers playing shorthanded. Just another archaic flyer failed philosophy. I am thrilled hope he plays a lot for pure entertainment purposes. Also hope no other team engages with him. He will be a great trade piece as teams will love to have a guy like him come playoff time right. maybe the flyers can get s 2nd rd pick.
I will take what Chicago has and is building over the flyers. Unlike the flyers they are rebuilding. They are willing to take their lumps. They will be back on the cup contention winning path before the flyers.
Who cares what their record was against them last year. Means nothing. Just like if they win all the games this year, means nothing. Flyer fans always try to find some shining light.
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Florida is loving it seeing his name in the lineup. As will every team. means flyers playing shorthanded. Just another archaic flyer failed philosophy. I am thrilled hope he plays a lot for pure entertainment purposes. Also hope no other team engages with him. He will be a great trade piece as teams will love to have a guy like him come playoff time right. maybe the flyers can get s 2nd rd pick.
I will take what Chicago has and is building over the flyers. Unlike the flyers they are rebuilding. They are willing to take their lumps. They will be back on the cup contention winning path before the flyers.
Who cares what their record was against them last year. Means nothing. Just like if they win all the games this year, means nothing. Flyer fans always try to find some shining light.
Deslauriers looked pretty uneven in camp. Bad game, OK game, bad game, OK game. He’s a role player. He’s not there to win you games. That’s what the top of the lineup is for. They need a little more scoring than they’ve been getting. Whatever chemistry is being built needs to turn into chemical reactions that turn into goals.
The Flyers haven’t taken their lumps the last three years? Chicago is still pretty bad and will be at least a couple more years. At least they got Knight in the Seth Jones trade to help in goal. They are nowhere near playoff contention let alone the Cup.
Then I guess the fact the Flyers went 0-3 for a combined score of 15-5 against Carolina last year doesn’t matter either.
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Florida is loving it seeing his name in the lineup. As will every team. means flyers playing shorthanded. Just another archaic flyer failed philosophy. I am thrilled hope he plays a lot for pure entertainment purposes. Also hope no other team engages with him. He will be a great trade piece as teams will love to have a guy like him come playoff time right. maybe the flyers can get s 2nd rd pick.
I will take what Chicago has and is building over the flyers. Unlike the flyers they are rebuilding. They are willing to take their lumps. They will be back on the cup contention winning path before the flyers.
Who cares what their record was against them last year. Means nothing. Just like if they win all the games this year, means nothing. Flyer fans always try to find some shining light.
Deslauriers looked pretty uneven in camp. Bad game, OK game, bad game, OK game. He’s a role player. He’s not there to win you games. That’s what the top of the lineup is for. They need a little more scoring than they’ve been getting. Whatever chemistry is being built needs to turn into chemical reactions that turn into goals.
The Flyers haven’t taken their lumps the last three years? Chicago is still pretty bad and will be at least a couple more years. At least they got Knight in the Seth Jones trade to help in goal. They are nowhere near playoff contention let alone the Cup.
Then I guess the fact the Flyers went 0-3 for a combined score of 15-5 against Carolina last year doesn’t matter either.
ND is not role player. Her is a fucking stiff. Has no business on a nhl roster. Why you can’t accept that and try to rationalize why he does is baffling.
Did I say or indicate the hawks were near playoff or cup contention. I did not.
No, the flyers are not willing to take their lumps. Flyer’s failure is not by design but by incompetence.
No, it doesn’t matter. Explain to me how it does going forward?
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Deslauriers looked pretty uneven in camp. Bad game, OK game, bad game, OK game. He’s a role player. He’s not there to win you games. That’s what the top of the lineup is for. They need a little more scoring than they’ve been getting. Whatever chemistry is being built needs to turn into chemical reactions that turn into goals.
The Flyers haven’t taken their lumps the last three years? Chicago is still pretty bad and will be at least a couple more years. At least they got Knight in the Seth Jones trade to help in goal. They are nowhere near playoff contention let alone the Cup.
Then I guess the fact the Flyers went 0-3 for a combined score of 15-5 against Carolina last year doesn’t matter either.
There’s a difference between pointlessly losing without a plan and losing with a plan. The Flyers are the former (as they have been absolutely trying to make the playoffs the last 3 years regardless of their PR campaign) and Chicago which is trying to win a Stanley Cup down the road.
#1 overall – Connor Bedard C
#2 overall – Artyom Levshunov D
#3 overall – Anton Frondell CAll potential franchise changing players at cornerstone positions you need to win the Stanley Cup. The Flyers have done zero building towards the Stanley Cup. Sure they’ve drafted some good wingers in Michkov and potentially Martone but without franchise players at the premium positions it’s all wasted. Chicago still has a ton of work to do to build a Stanley Cup contender but at least they are trying and have a farm system with higher end players than the Flyers. Quality to the Flyers quantity. Don’t confuse the Flyers trying to make the playoffs every year with who is further away from a Stanley Cup. It’s the Flyers.
This reminds me of the Penguins. They were derided for tanking for Crosby/Malkin but multiple Stanley Cups and 20 years later. Who is laughing at who?
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ND is not role player. Her is a fucking stiff. Has no business on a nhl roster. Why you can’t accept that and try to rationalize why he does is baffling.
Did I say or indicate the hawks were near playoff or cup contention. I did not.
No, the flyers are not willing to take their lumps. Flyer’s failure is not by design but by incompetence.
No, it doesn’t matter. Explain to me how it does going forward?
Hahaha! Yeah, OK. ND is a role player, a designated fighter. Some teams still carry them. FLA dresses theirs pretty well every night plus a lot of other chippy players.
You indicated you think CHI is closer to cup contention than the Flyers. Why? Bedard? Frondell will be a good player for them eventually. The rest looks bad. Way worse than the Flyers.
Carolina proved to be a bad matchup last year. Flyers need to end that Saturday.
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Hahaha! Yeah, OK. ND is a role player, a designated fighter. Some teams still carry them. FLA dresses theirs pretty well every night plus a lot of other chippy players.
You indicated you think CHI is closer to cup contention than the Flyers. Why? Bedard? Frondell will be a good player for them eventually. The rest looks bad. Way worse than the Flyers.
Carolina proved to be a bad matchup last year. Flyers need to end that Saturday.
I think you mentioned earlier in the offseason that your only concern is the current year? If that’s the case, why do you care and keep talking about cup contention? The Flyers sure as hell aren’t winning it this year and you don’t care about what’s on the horizon.
Will the Flyers be better than Chicago this year? Probably. If that’s all you care about then you win.Cup contention is a marathon, not a sprint.
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ND is not role player. Her is a fucking stiff. Has no business on a nhl roster. Why you can’t accept that and try to rationalize why he does is baffling.
Did I say or indicate the hawks were near playoff or cup contention. I did not.
No, the flyers are not willing to take their lumps. Flyer’s failure is not by design but by incompetence.
No, it doesn’t matter. Explain to me how it does going forward?
Hahaha! Yeah, OK. ND is a role player, a designated fighter. Some teams still carry them. FLA dresses theirs pretty well every night plus a lot of other chippy players.
You indicated you think CHI is closer to cup contention than the Flyers. Why? Bedard? Frondell will be a good player for them eventually. The rest looks bad. Way worse than the Flyers.
Carolina proved to be a bad matchup last year. Flyers need to end that Saturday.
You want an ND “type” in the lineup fine. Get one who can play, contribute, and not hurt your team. Not a total stiff who offers nothing.
I said they will be contenders before the flyers. get back to me when I am proven wrong.
last year’s results against any team are meaningless going forward.
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I think you mentioned earlier in the offseason that your only concern is the current year? If that’s the case, why do you care and keep talking about cup contention? The Flyers sure as hell aren’t winning it this year and you don’t care about what’s on the horizon.
Will the Flyers be better than Chicago this year? Probably. If that’s all you care about then you win.Cup contention is a marathon, not a sprint.
My only concern? I don’t remember that. I do want to see good, competitive hockey THIS year. How is that a bad thing? The biggest threat to that this year is injuries bunching up at a specific position. Depth is not a strength. There’s already cause for concern there with 2 of their top 4 Dmen down.
You want an ND “type” in the lineup fine. Get one who can play, contribute, and not hurt your team. Not a total stiff who offers nothing.
I said they will be contenders before the flyers. get back to me when I am proven wrong.
How many are out there? Olivier has made himself into a good player. Xhekaj is an adequate 3rd pair Dman. In the year 2057, pigs will fly. Get back to me when I’m proven wrong.
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I think you mentioned earlier in the offseason that your only concern is the current year? If that’s the case, why do you care and keep talking about cup contention? The Flyers sure as hell aren’t winning it this year and you don’t care about what’s on the horizon.
Will the Flyers be better than Chicago this year? Probably. If that’s all you care about then you win.Cup contention is a marathon, not a sprint.
My only concern? I don’t remember that. I do want to see good, competitive hockey THIS year. How is that a bad thing? The biggest threat to that this year is injuries bunching up at a specific position. Depth is not a strength. There’s already cause for concern there with 2 of their top 4 Dmen down.
You want an ND “type” in the lineup fine. Get one who can play, contribute, and not hurt your team. Not a total stiff who offers nothing.
I said they will be contenders before the flyers. get back to me when I am proven wrong.
How many are out there? Olivier has made himself into a good player. Xhekaj is an adequate 3rd pair Dman. In the year 2057, pigs will fly. Get back to me when I’m proven wrong.
exactly, thanks for proving my point.
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exactly, thanks for proving my point.
So you’re OK with a designated fighter if they can score 18 goals? Good to know.
There’s a difference between hockey players who can fight vs goons on skates. Loved Wayne Simmonds in his heyday. Chris Simon was great in his role with the caps. There are players who are assets on a normal shift where there isn’t a fight and there are those that are not.
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ND is not an asset on the ice.
Simmonds was a fine and consistent player with 6 20+ goal seasons. Simon was good for a while but became an absolute league-wide safety hazard over time and things ended tragically for him. Neither are really good comps. A fairer comp: Gadjovich who Florida somehow found a lineup spot for in every conference finals and Cup finals game last year.
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https://x.com/justingiam/status/1975970406067757490
There’s ugly, then there’s this.
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There’s ugly, then there’s this.
Ginning top 4. Seeler top pair. Dvorak top line. Already yo-yo’ing the jett around having him on the wing (assuming that’s what they do) . A shitty vet blocking the young Russian. What a roster they constructed. Go flyers.
What line gives you a better chance to win:
Russian- the jett – GH
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ND – Abols – GH
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Whew, that top 6 would have a hard time consistently winning with top 10 goaltending. Briere better be gearing up to make trades to improve this roster, waiting till the summer when there will be scraps left in free agency will not get it done. At least, I expect the team to score more goals, but somehow the ability to prevent goals has gotten significantly worse from last season, which I thought would be very difficult to achieve.
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There’s ugly, then there’s this.
Even over 13 years later, the Flyers are feeling the double whammy of it all. First, Bobrovsky is chasing his third consecutive championship ring with the Florida Panthers. Second, Bryzgalov is still receiving checks from Philadelphia to not play for their team—the buyout penalty runs through 2027. Finally, last season, the Flyers posted the NHL’s worst team save percentage of the 21st century: .879, according to QuantHockey.
Who do you blame more, Snider or Laviolette?
What’s funny is DB was on the roster for the trade and he is the lead architect of NHL’s worst team save percentage of the 21st century. I guess the Flyers aren’t just setting records with their league worst power play. I hope DB puts both accomplishments on his resume.
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Even over 13 years later, the Flyers are feeling the double whammy of it all. First, Bobrovsky is chasing his third consecutive championship ring with the Florida Panthers. Second, Bryzgalov is still receiving checks from Philadelphia to not play for their team—the buyout penalty runs through 2027. Finally, last season, the Flyers posted the NHL’s worst team save percentage of the 21st century: .879, according to QuantHockey.
Who do you blame more, Snider or Laviolette?
What’s funny is DB was on the roster for the trade and he is the lead architect of NHL’s worst team save percentage of the 21st century. I guess the Flyers aren’t just setting records with their league worst power play. I hope DB puts both accomplishments on his resume.
While Ed Snider went full Jerry Jones, both he and Laviolette deserve blame as both made panic moves that led to Bobrovsky wanting out.
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While Ed Snider went full Jerry Jones, both he and Laviolette deserve blame as both made panic moves that led to Bobrovsky wanting out.
I blame Lavi more for the way he handled Bob which brought about the crisis. Snider never looked beyond the current season and it never mattered until the salary cap. For better or worse the Flyers were always in the mix for every free agent. Snider was just being himself given how Lavi handled the goalies the previous year. The move was bold even for Snider though with that 9 year contract but old rich guys near the end tend to ignore any and all red flags to get what they want.
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I blame Lavi more for the way he handled Bob which brought about the crisis. Snider never looked beyond the current season and it never mattered until the salary cap. For better or worse the Flyers were always in the mix for every free agent. Snider was just being himself given how Lavi handled the goalies the previous year. The move was bold even for Snider though with that 9 year contract but old rich guys near the end tend to ignore any and all red flags to get what they want.
Sadly, the Flyers still have yet to accept the reality that is the salary cap, and current state of free agency where top-end talent rarely (if ever) makes it to the market.
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I blame Lavi more for the way he handled Bob which brought about the crisis. Snider never looked beyond the current season and it never mattered until the salary cap. For better or worse the Flyers were always in the mix for every free agent. Snider was just being himself given how Lavi handled the goalies the previous year. The move was bold even for Snider though with that 9 year contract but old rich guys near the end tend to ignore any and all red flags to get what they want.
Sadly, the Flyers still have yet to accept the reality that is the salary cap, and current state of free agency where top-end talent rarely (if ever) makes it to the market.
It does feel like the Flyers plan, if you can call it that, is to keep doing this. The Flyers are pinning their hopes on a franchise center and a franchise dman hitting UFA and then being able to outbid everyone for them.
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It does feel like the Flyers plan, if you can call it that, is to keep doing this. The Flyers are pinning their hopes on a franchise center and a franchise dman hitting UFA and then being able to outbid everyone for them.
It’s why I hold little to no hope this franchise will ever progress… just doesn’t seem like there’s anyone in the organizaiton in touch with reality.
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It does feel like the Flyers plan, if you can call it that, is to keep doing this. The Flyers are pinning their hopes on a franchise center and a franchise dman hitting UFA and then being able to outbid everyone for them.
It’s why I hold little to no hope this franchise will ever progress… just doesn’t seem like there’s anyone in the organizaiton in touch with reality.
the flyers plan to go “big” game hunting in the summer of 2026 seems to be falling by the wayside. can’t wait to see how they pivot off that plan.
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the flyers plan to go “big” game hunting in the summer of 2026 seems to be falling by the wayside. can’t wait to see how they pivot off that plan.
You seem to be alluding to this article but you aren’t wrong. The Flyers peter pan hopes of wishing upon a star next year are fading to black.
Loved this tidbit : Going further down the list, the names become a bit more familiar (Ryan Poehling, Scott Laughton) and a lot less appealing.
That would be a laugh riot.
Flyers quickly running out of big-move options for next NHL offseason
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Congrats to Bob for the win last night and i hope he has another great season. Rarely has the shortsightedness of the Flyers over time been shown so clearly. We are here almost 15 years later and has anything really changed for the Flyers? Is the team in front of the goalie any better? There is no hope of stabilizing the Flyers defense short of trading for a #1 dman because they sure as hell aren’t trying to draft one. The Flyers defense is “thin” even when healthy.
ND really made a difference out there last night playing the least amount of minutes of all skaters. He fought how many times? The Flyers much hyped “rookie” in his second year of making the big club learned a lot from the press box about how not to fight i guess from ND. ND looking ok in 1 preseason game almost a month ago was really the right take away from the preseason.
This isn’t a knock on ND. He is who he is and is performing as expected, at least outside the Flyers brain trust. If the Flyers had no better options on the bench and it wasn’t a rebuilding year then i would get it but if Jett isn’t a better option than a mid 30s slow footed over the hill fighter, what is he doing on the team? He’s had more games in the press box than on the ice over the last 2 years.
But i guess the rebuild is over, they are in the mix for the playoffs and are going to fight their way in.
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Congrats to Bob for the win last night and i hope he has another great season. Rarely has the shortsightedness of the Flyers over time been shown so clearly. We are here almost 15 years later and has anything really changed for the Flyers? Is the team in front of the goalie any better? There is no hope of stabilizing the Flyers defense short of trading for a #1 dman because they sure as hell aren’t trying to draft one. The Flyers defense is “thin” even when healthy.
ND really made a difference out there last night playing the least amount of minutes of all skaters. He fought how many times? The Flyers much hyped “rookie” in his second year of making the big club learned a lot from the press box about how not to fight i guess from ND. ND looking ok in 1 preseason game almost a month ago was really the right take away from the preseason.
This isn’t a knock on ND. He is who he is and is performing as expected, at least outside the Flyers brain trust. If the Flyers had no better options on the bench and it wasn’t a rebuilding year then i would get it but if Jett isn’t a better option than a mid 30s slow footed over the hill fighter, what is he doing on the team? He’s had more games in the press box than on the ice over the last 2 years.
But i guess the rebuild is over, they are in the mix for the playoffs and are going to fight their way in.
Another flat start (or so I read)… guys not bothering to show up until late in the second period. Gee, where have we heard that before?
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– Its sad how nauseating JJ and bocher have become.
– Love hearing JJ say TK ex selke Sanheim are at the stage they want to win now. Wont happen unless they ask for a trade. Hope all 3 are miserable as that is what you have earned when you re-signed.
– JJ with the brick by brick flyers propaganda. Guess boucher also got his brick by brick talking point.
– Dvorak with more ice time than MM
– Same boring bland team. 20 mostly harmless shots.
– JD is just there, what exactly does he offer?
– ND with quality play in his 7+ minutes. He is much needed on that bench.
– Cates looked good. One positive.
– Goalie gave them a chance.
– Looking forward to hearing all year how this team works hard, never quits, and all the other flyers nonsense. Like they are the only team with such qualities.
– There is zero reason to sit the 2 they sat. they both need to play. This is what a “rebuilding” team would do no? however its playoffs or bust for the flyers need that vet presence. Just another short term view approach. Don’t want to hear well its only 1 game. BS either way. Send them both to other leagues if not going to be regulars in the lineup.
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– Its sad how nauseating JJ and bocher have become.
– Love hearing JJ say TK ex selke Sanheim are at the stage they want to win now. Wont happen unless they ask for a trade. Hope all 3 are miserable as that is what you have earned when you re-signed.
– JJ with the brick by brick flyers propaganda. Guess boucher also got his brick by brick talking point.
– Dvorak with more ice time than MM
– Same boring bland team. 20 mostly harmless shots.
– JD is just there, what exactly does he offer?
– ND with quality play in his 7+ minutes. He is much needed on that bench.
– Cates looked good. One positive.
– Goalie gave them a chance.
– Looking forward to hearing all year how this team works hard, never quits, and all the other flyers nonsense. Like they are the only team with such qualities.
– There is zero reason to sit the 2 they sat. they both need to play. This is what a “rebuilding” team would do no? however its playoffs or bust for the flyers need that vet presence. Just another short term view approach. Don’t want to hear well its only 1 game. BS either way. Send them both to other leagues if not going to be regulars in the lineup.
I always love hearing that when players take the bag to play for a bad team and then expect the fairy godmother to waive the magic wand. They didn’t care about winning until after they took the money.
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– Its sad how nauseating JJ and bocher have become.
– Love hearing JJ say TK ex selke Sanheim are at the stage they want to win now. Wont happen unless they ask for a trade. Hope all 3 are miserable as that is what you have earned when you re-signed.
– JJ with the brick by brick flyers propaganda. Guess boucher also got his brick by brick talking point.
– Dvorak with more ice time than MM
– Same boring bland team. 20 mostly harmless shots.
– JD is just there, what exactly does he offer?
– ND with quality play in his 7+ minutes. He is much needed on that bench.
– Cates looked good. One positive.
– Goalie gave them a chance.
– Looking forward to hearing all year how this team works hard, never quits, and all the other flyers nonsense. Like they are the only team with such qualities.
– There is zero reason to sit the 2 they sat. they both need to play. This is what a “rebuilding” team would do no? however its playoffs or bust for the flyers need that vet presence. Just another short term view approach. Don’t want to hear well its only 1 game. BS either way. Send them both to other leagues if not going to be regulars in the lineup.
I always love hearing that when players take the bag to play for a bad team and then expect the fairy godmother to waive the magic wand. They didn’t care about winning until after they took the money.
I will never fault a guy for taking the bag. that being said you made your bad that’s where you lie. no pearly gates when you die. we tried to teach you didn’t learn. your going down your gonna burn.
all 3 would have got paid no matter where they went. they choose to stay because they are comfortable and complacent. no pressure situation. winning wasnt/isnt a priority for them. this is why they all needed to be moved and cut the cord
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I will never fault a guy for taking the bag. that being said you made your bad that’s where you lie. no pearly gates when you die. we tried to teach you didn’t learn. your going down your gonna burn.
all 3 would have got paid no matter where they went. they choose to stay because they are comfortable and complacent. no pressure situation. winning wasnt/isnt a priority for them. this is why they all needed to be moved and cut the cord
This was brought up during Konecny’s extension. It wasn’t that Konecny wasn’t going to get the money from someone, it was whether the Flyers should be the one paying him being at the start of a “rebuild” and years away from contention. Little did we know the “rebuild” would only last 2 years.
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I will never fault a guy for taking the bag. that being said you made your bad that’s where you lie. no pearly gates when you die. we tried to teach you didn’t learn. your going down your gonna burn.
all 3 would have got paid no matter where they went. they choose to stay because they are comfortable and complacent. no pressure situation. winning wasnt/isnt a priority for them. this is why they all needed to be moved and cut the cord
This was brought up during Konecny’s extension. It wasn’t that Konecny wasn’t going to get the money from someone, it was whether the Flyers should be the one paying him being at the start of a “rebuild” and years away from contention. Little did we know the “rebuild” would only last 2 years.
there was never a rebuild therefore the flyers “had” to keep him. key core player. true flyer.
this is just another wasted year spinning their wheels. until the dumb ass flyers fans wake up and stop going to the games, nothing will change
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there was never a rebuild therefore the flyers “had” to keep him. key core player. true flyer.
this is just another wasted year spinning their wheels. until the dumb ass flyers fans wake up and stop going to the games, nothing will change
Said this about the Voracek extension a decade ago. Not that I had a problem with the player, but we were fed the rebuild line at that time as well, and he seemed like an unneeded luxury that could have brought a decent return to help that supposed rebuild along.
Funny thing… the “culture” is there. Problem is, it’s a culture of questionable decisions that really never play out in the Flyers favor.
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there was never a rebuild therefore the flyers “had” to keep him. key core player. true flyer.
this is just another wasted year spinning their wheels. until the dumb ass flyers fans wake up and stop going to the games, nothing will change
Said this about the Voracek extension a decade ago. Not that I had a problem with the player, but we were fed the rebuild line at that time as well, and he seemed like an unneeded luxury that could have brought a decent return to help that supposed rebuild along.
Funny thing… the “culture” is there. Problem is, it’s a culture of questionable decisions that really never play out in the Flyers favor.
jake is/was a loser. every wonder why no contending teams never had any interest in him despite the numbers he put up?
there is no plan, no path to contention, nothing but hope and luck.
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jake is/was a loser. every wonder why no contending teams never had any interest in him despite the numbers he put up?
there is no plan, no path to contention, nothing but hope and luck.
Nothing but “the Flyers way.”
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jake is/was a loser. every wonder why no contending teams never had any interest in him despite the numbers he put up?
there is no plan, no path to contention, nothing but hope and luck.
Nothing but “the Flyers way.”
flyers hockey. born to be a flyer. gold standard.
The flyers think their name carries clout. It doesn’t. these young players today, all they know about the flyers is being losers the last 15 years. This is what they have seen growing up. This is what they have witnessed. Flyers are just simply out of touch with reality.
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Contain their top two lines with ours, fight their 4th line with ours and hope the Cates line makes the extra shot. That looks like the plan.
Who saw this coming? Hahahaha! The Cates line badly outplayed FLA’s 3rd line. The orgasms over how well they played from some folks reveal a lack of understanding about actual on-ice matchups. FLA’s 3rd line is a problem for them against deeper teams. Of course, the Cates line delivered, which was obviously needed. The Flyers top 2 lines did not outplay FLA’s top 2 lines. FLA’s top 2 lines are still great. When Barkov and Tkachuk are healthy, FLA has 3 great lines. They still had their top tier D and goaltending. Vladar was great. Game came down to who made the extra shot. It was Marchand. He outplayed Konecny who failed to bury a much better chance. D held up well enough under the circumstances.
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Opening Night Wrapup: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
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Opening Night Wrapup: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Apart from some early turnovers (none costly), Travis Sanheim was a rock of strength. By the end of the first period, he was on a pace to play north of 30 minutes. Ultimately, he skated 27:15. They were hard minutes, too. That’s not sustainable for an entire season.I would also like to add that playing Coots 20+ minutes a night is also not sustainable. He averaged just over 17 minutes a game last year and it felt like he broke down physically.
This is not a team that should be thinking or talking about the playoffs.
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Dvorak is the Laughton replacement. He is not a top 6 player, but Flyer HCs seem intent on playing them in that that role. I have no issue with the contract, but my hope is he moves down the lineup quickly. No issue managing Luchanko and building him up slowly. Grebenkin has earned the right to be in a top 9 spot and hopefully is inserted there against CAR.
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Dvorak is the Laughton replacement. He is not a top 6 player, but Flyer HCs seem intent on playing them in that that role. I have no issue with the contract, but my hope is he moves down the lineup quickly. No issue managing Luchanko and building him up slowly. Grebenkin has earned the right to be in a top 9 spot and hopefully is inserted there against CAR.
Grebenkin is in the lineup tomorrow. Luchanko may be as well. Deslauriers and possibly Abols come out. Tocc said twice this week that he wants to get both of the rookies into the lineup without sitting them for too long (specific to Grebenkin, he said the Russian would play Saturday if he wasn’t in the opener).
Re:Dvorak, the Flyers have two roster problems that they probably can’t solve simultaneously with the current roster.
* They need more offensive production, BUT
* They also desperately need to play better team D and lower the GAA.So when you look at the better offensive players up front, you find that:
* Michkov is below average defensively.
* Zegras is below average defensively.
* Konecny is strictly average at most defensively (but that’s a big jump from where he started)
* Tippett is also average at best defensively (he, too, started out below-average)
* They don’t want to separate Foerster from Cates/Brink line.What Tocchet is trying to do, but may not be able to keep with, is spread thing out a bit. He’s trying to live with Tippett-Zegras-Konecny line as “2/3 just adequate enough” defensively not to kill you while seeking offense. He wanted two defensively responsible linemates for Michkov because he has a long way to go still defensively. Grebenkin is prone to going to the wrong spots defensively and to turning over pucks coming through the neutral zone.
They need to find some way to get more offense and at least lower the defensive issues a bit (I’m only talking forwards here, not the mess that is the blueline).
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Dvorak is the Laughton replacement. He is not a top 6 player, but Flyer HCs seem intent on playing them in that that role. I have no issue with the contract, but my hope is he moves down the lineup quickly. No issue managing Luchanko and building him up slowly. Grebenkin has earned the right to be in a top 9 spot and hopefully is inserted there against CAR.
Grebenkin is in the lineup tomorrow. Luchanko may be as well. Deslauriers and possibly Abols come out. Tocc said twice this week that he wants to get both of the rookies into the lineup without sitting them for too long (specific to Grebenkin, he said the Russian would play Saturday if he wasn’t in the opener).
Re:Dvorak, the Flyers have two roster problems that they probably can’t solve simultaneously with the current roster.
* They need more offensive production, BUT
* They also desperately need to play better team D and lower the GAA.So when you look at the better offensive players up front, you find that:
* Michkov is below average defensively.
* Zegras is below average defensively.
* Konecny is strictly average at most defensively (but that’s a big jump from where he started)
* Tippett is also average at best defensively (he, too, started out below-average)
* They don’t want to separate Foerster from Cates/Brink line.What Tocchet is trying to do, but may not be able to keep with, is spread thing out a bit. He’s trying to live with Tippett-Zegras-Konecny line as “2/3 just adequate enough” defensively not to kill you while seeking offense. He wanted two defensively responsible linemates for Michkov because he has a long way to go still defensively. Grebenkin is prone to going to the wrong spots defensively and to turning over pucks coming through the neutral zone.
They need to find some way to get more offense and at least lower the defensive issues a bit (I’m only talking forwards here, not the mess that is the blueline).
The Russian came prepared to camp to win a job, played well earned a spot and you sit him. Great coaching. They rave about the jett and sits in favor of……the Olympian.
You play both young guys and live with the mistakes. at least for now unless both are putrid. There is zero reason not too.
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Dvorak is the Laughton replacement. He is not a top 6 player, but Flyer HCs seem intent on playing them in that that role. I have no issue with the contract, but my hope is he moves down the lineup quickly. No issue managing Luchanko and building him up slowly. Grebenkin has earned the right to be in a top 9 spot and hopefully is inserted there against CAR.
Grebenkin is in the lineup tomorrow. Luchanko may be as well. Deslauriers and possibly Abols come out. Tocc said twice this week that he wants to get both of the rookies into the lineup without sitting them for too long (specific to Grebenkin, he said the Russian would play Saturday if he wasn’t in the opener).
Re:Dvorak, the Flyers have two roster problems that they probably can’t solve simultaneously with the current roster.
* They need more offensive production, BUT
* They also desperately need to play better team D and lower the GAA.So when you look at the better offensive players up front, you find that:
* Michkov is below average defensively.
* Zegras is below average defensively.
* Konecny is strictly average at most defensively (but that’s a big jump from where he started)
* Tippett is also average at best defensively (he, too, started out below-average)
* They don’t want to separate Foerster from Cates/Brink line.What Tocchet is trying to do, but may not be able to keep with, is spread thing out a bit. He’s trying to live with Tippett-Zegras-Konecny line as “2/3 just adequate enough” defensively not to kill you while seeking offense. He wanted two defensively responsible linemates for Michkov because he has a long way to go still defensively. Grebenkin is prone to going to the wrong spots defensively and to turning over pucks coming through the neutral zone.
I appreciate your insight, but I will argue that Tippett and are a lot closer defensively to Michkov then further apart. Only 1 game sample size, but placing Michkov (who has the expectation of developing into the team’s best player) with 2 above average forwards defensive who are not really gifted puck carrying seems like a wonky fit. I understand not wanting to break up the Cates line, but maybe breaking it up gets better balance throughout 3 lines as the roster is currently constructed. Interested to see what happens when Luchanko and Grebenkin get inserted into the lineup.
They need to find some way to get more offense and at least lower the defensive issues a bit (I’m only talking forwards here, not the mess that is the blueline).
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The Russian came prepared to camp to win a job, played well earned a spot and you sit him. Great coaching. They rave about the jett and sits in favor of……the Olympian.
You play both young guys and live with the mistakes. at least for now unless both are putrid. There is zero reason not too.
The Jett hype is turning into vaporware. First last year and now this year. Every time he hit the NHL ice in 2024 he made the brain trust look bad but if he doesn’t play all you have is the hype. The main purpose seems to be DB and Jonesy patting themselves on the back. Play the kid or send him back. He can’t go the college route? It’s your own damn fault for trying to force him onto the roster last year.
ND should never play against Greb or Jett if they are available. This old school crap from a franchise that hasn’t been relevant in 15 years and needs to develop these kids is ridiculous.
At least in Tocchet they have a coach that hasn’t quit on his team in the middle of the season or abused his players. Sadly that’s a low bar to clear from DB’s best bud who he still preferred over Tocchet.
Maybe just maybe the Flyers should stop trying to shoehorn a piss poor team into the playoffs and start a rebuild?
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The Jett hype is turning into vaporware. First last year and now this year. Every time he hit the NHL ice in 2024 he made the brain trust look bad but if he doesn’t play all you have is the hype. The main purpose seems to be DB and Jonesy patting themselves on the back. Play the kid or send him back. He can’t go the college route? It’s your own damn fault for trying to force him onto the roster last year.
ND should never play against Greb or Jett if they are available. This old school crap from a franchise that hasn’t been relevant in 15 years and needs to develop these kids is ridiculous.
At least in Tocchet they have a coach that hasn’t quit on his team in the middle of the season or abused his players. Sadly that’s a low bar to clear from DB’s best bud who he still preferred over Tocchet.
Maybe just maybe the Flyers should stop trying to shoehorn a piss poor team into the playoffs and start a rebuild?
Not sure how it works, but wasn’t he ineligible for college a week after the draft when, in a panic move after the Gauthier fiasco, Briere signed him to his ELC?
Flyers GMs seem to have a thing for compounding their mistakes.
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What Tocchet is trying to do, but may not be able to keep with, is spread thing out a bit. He’s trying to live with Tippett-Zegras-Konecny line as “2/3 just adequate enough” defensively not to kill you while seeking offense. He wanted two defensively responsible linemates for Michkov because he has a long way to go still defensively.
I think Tocchet’s lines were more about matching up against FLA and he won’t stick with those combinations long term. Dvorak remaining with Couturier might be an option against the Aho line in CAR. That’s CAR’s main threat and they don’t have FLA’s D or goaltending. Still, they were a bad matchup last year.
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Not sure how it works, but wasn’t he ineligible for college a week after the draft when, in a panic move after the Gauthier fiasco, Briere signed him to his ELC?
Yes, you are correct. I keep getting the reason for his college ineligibility wrong. Good catch. I’m just glad Martone can play in college this year.
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Yes, you are correct. I keep getting the reason for his college ineligibility wrong. Good catch. I’m just glad Martone can play in college this year.
Sadly, this egregious lack of vision (and the reason behind it) seems to go unnoticed by a rather large portion of the fan base.
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