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  • #8482
    FlyerFrank
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    Dallas is a superior team compared to the Flyers that’s how. He would get exposed on a bad Flyers team.

    Ceci started the season as a top pairing guy in San Jose. So did Walman who is playing big minutes for EDM. As bad as the Flyers are, the Sharks are worse by a lot. Both Walman and Ceci were so badly exposed in SJ that EDM and DAL both gave up 1st round picks to acquire them.

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    #8592
    furio16
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    You are leaving out a key detail on that Ceci trade and why a 1st went to San Jose.

    #8593
    FlyerFrank
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    “You are leaving out a key detail on that Ceci trade and why a 1st went to San Jose.”

    So what? Yeah, Granlund is a good player too. SJ got a 1st AND a 3rd in the package. The Flyers still need another Top 4 defenseman by opening night. There are a few candidates and, I’m sure, some others I haven’t thought about.

    #8646
    furio16
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    So what? You presented it like they gave up a 1st for Ceci alone. That is false.

    Adding Ceci alone does next to nothing. Probably hurts more than helps as maybe they improve slightly hurting their draft position while no real improvement towards the end goal.

    #8655
    FlyerFrank
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    So what? You presented it like they gave up a 1st for Ceci alone. That is false.

    Adding Ceci alone does next to nothing. Probably hurts more than helps as maybe they improve slightly hurting their draft position while no real improvement towards the end goal.

    You’re complaining about a future draft then saying a veteran Top 4 UFA defenseman, who was acquired by a conference finals level team for, in part, a first round pick would actually hurt the Flyers. Any Dman who could play Top 4 here can help the Flyers. Their blueliners are shabby after Sanheim, York and the oft-injured, signed for only one more year Ristolainen . . . who might still get you another pick to continue to draft offensive talent.

    #8673
    furio16
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    Complaining about future draft picks? Not following you on that.

    What does Ceci do to help the Flyers? Go from 4th worse to 5th worse? Unless you’re overhauling the entire D a guy like him makes little sense. He will want a 3/4 year deal from the Flyers for 5 million or not easily. No thanks at this time.

    #8681
    FlyerFrank
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    Complaining about future draft picks? Not following you on that.

    What does Ceci do to help the Flyers? Go from 4th worse to 5th worse? Unless you’re overhauling the entire D a guy like him makes little sense. He will want a 3/4 year deal from the Flyers for 5 million or not easily. No thanks at this time.

    So you want the Flyers to become one of the better teams in the league without acquiring an upgrade on defense, which the Flyers desperately need, from one of the better teams in the league. Sounds like a plan.

    #8682
    furio16
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    How I want to the Flyers to become one of the better teams they will not do or even attempt to do.

    How the Flyers want to become one of the better teams will not work. That much is proven.

    Big difference in acquiring an upgrade and acquiring a difference maker. An upgrade is putting lipstick on a pig at this time. Keeps you stuck spinning that wheel; which is what the Flyers seek to thrive on.

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    #8704
    FlyerFrank
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    How I want to the Flyers to become one of the better teams they will not do or even attempt to do.

    How the Flyers want to become one of the better teams will not work. That much is proven.

    Big difference in acquiring an upgrade and acquiring a difference maker. An upgrade is putting lipstick on a pig at this time. Keeps you stuck spinning that wheel; which is what the Flyers seek to thrive on.

    Attempt to what? Tank for the indefinite future? I’m obviously not sure what the Flyers will do this off season. But I think they need to get better and can if they use the main tools available to them, draft picks and cap space, wisely.

    The Flyers need five or more difference makers to compete for the Cup . . . and even then . . .

    #8707
    VonZipper
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    Attempt to what? Tank for the indefinite future? I’m obviously not sure what the Flyers will do this off season. But I think they need to get better and can if they use the main tools available to them, draft picks and cap space, wisely.

    The Flyers need five or more difference makers to compete for the Cup . . . and even then . . . — FlyerFrank

    Since the inception of the salary cap, when have the Flyers used it wisely?

    Keep in mind, the Flyers have a long history of not learning from their mistakes.

    #8719
    FlyerFrank
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    Since the inception of the salary cap, when have the Flyers used it wisely?

    Keep in mind, the Flyers have a long history of not learning from their mistakes.

    I think Holmgren managed the cap well for the most part. At the end, he did screw up with Lacavalier and MacDonald. After that, it was Hextall and Fletcher. That was the really bad stretch although Hextall got canned more for rubbing people the wrong way but he was no ace GM in PGH either.

    • This reply was modified 4 days, 11 hours ago by FlyerFrank.
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