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The New York Rangers have one game left prior to the Olympic break, on Thursday against Carolina. New York is limping into the stoppage on a three-gam
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Exactly. This guy doesn’t know the art of the deal. Complete moron just like when he said he wanted Kakko Kreider Trouba and Goodrow gone.
If the rumors are true, Wright + picks I would sign for if one of those picks was a 1st.
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I don’t think this gets resolved until after the freeze is over. If I’m Panarin, why rush it, he holds the cards.
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I don’t think this gets resolved until after the freeze is over. If I’m Panarin, why rush it, he holds the cards.
For Panarin, I dont think it matters nearly as much. Honestly, the sooner its over, the sooner he gets back on the ice, the better for him.
I think the longer this goes on, its the teams in question who are interested it benefits most. At some point the teams might go and make a trade for someone else, shrinking possible suitors and then forcing Drury to take whatever deal is on the table to walk away with something rather than nothing.
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Panarin traded to kings?
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Greentree better turn into a god
With our luck. He will become a bottom 6 player.
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Greentree is who I wanted from the Kings. But only getting an additional 3rd is a disgrace.
Im really hoping that these are the early reports and that theres more attached to the trade.
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After watching this crap show known as the New York Rangers ..I can’t take it anymore I’ve followed Jan from HB for years and it took until now for me to join the fray.. Been a Rangers fan for 45 plus years and watching this beloved team who has kicked me in the teeth on several occasions now has a clown GM making awful decision after decision. Paging Mr Buchnevich, JT Miller, trading Trouba for Vakkainen.. Kakko for Parssinen ( both guys Drury loved and have been hoping to acquire for years)But hey at least he told Ranger fans and subsequently the rest of the NHL in a letter to basically obsolve him of his misgivings. Forgetting he’s the architect of this Hindenburg known as the last 2 NYR seasons. You know who doesn’t send out letters? Winning organizations! How the hell can he be justified in being a GM! You know why he sent out a letter? Because finally the fans had enough of this crap product and started to boo him at MSG. well Mr Sensitive couldn’t stand that..does he face the media and talk in front of the camera ? Nope..he hides behind a carefully worded ( cough repeated letter) My god Drury is infuriating! He has never won a trade..he gives up more when he has all the leverage ie..JT.. I get Panarin having leverage but why did he have to trade him today? Not sure why the Kings and Panarin were a perfect match either? But if you are Drury you must come away with a first rd pick! Drury is the most incompetent GM ever! I also think it’s odd that reports say Washington had a huge offer for him? Then you hear the return and I’m sick to my stomach! I am in shock to be honest that this all the return. Really why wouldn’t Panarin want to go to the Caps or Lightning over the Kings? I thought he only wanted an East Coast team with legitimate Stanley Cup aspirations uhh last I looked the Kings do not fit the description? All I know is Drury has to be fired..The culprit who took this franchise on the cusp of the Stanley Cup Final to driving them into the ground and the sad state this team has become ( sorry tire fire). If you thought this team couldn’t score before? Wait till u watch them now without Bread driving the play.. The greatest free agent in Ranger history and one of their most prolific scorers now suiting up for the Kings ..I have no answers as to what this team can do to right this ship.. but I know the Captain of the Titanic ( our GM is NOT the answer! Btw why the hell didn’t we resign him 2 yr 11m doesn’t seem that out of touch when u think about the contracts we are giving Parssinen and Borgen ( 17 games as a Ranger )multi year deals.. What a dark day to be a Ranger fan.. followed by many unwatchable seasons. Don’t buy anymore tickets, merch or watch anymore maybe then Dolan will take notice?
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The situation was Panarin only wanted LAK. The first would’ve made this feel good but we had no leverage. Drury could’ve waited I guess. I hate Drury but idk what else could’ve been done
Thats most likely the scenario… 3rd round kicker, is a kick in the nuts.
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“The situation was Panarin only wanted LAK. The first would’ve made this feel good but we had no leverage. Drury could’ve waited I guess. I hate Drury but idk what else could’ve been done”
What could’ve been done is to not tell the whole world that you aren’t offering your trade asset a contract!!! Not to mention not even leaking that you are shopping him. Drury did ok given the circumstances, except that HE CREATED the circumstances!
All we can hope now is that they clean house in the Development department before Greentree gets here.p.s. – in looking for Greentree’s stats I noticed that our 5th rounder, Aspinall, is leading the OHL with 67 points in 46 games!
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Mollie Walker
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I’m told the Kings were the only team Artemi Panarin wanted to go to and the only team #NYR had to work with.Return is Liam Greentree, a conditional 3rd that can become a second if the Kings win 1 playoff round (would be better of two Kings 3rds) and a conditional fourth-rounder in 2028 if the Kings win 2 playoff rounds.
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I’ll tell you what- When i can’t sleep, i will be watching way more King games. Im with them until July.
Heres the crazy part, I just moved back to LA 3 days ago.
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We also apparently retained 50%… makes it even worse, despite the constraints lol
Holland and Panarin bent Drury over.
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We also apparently retained 50%… makes it even worse, despite the constraints lol
I didn’t see that anywhere. Has it just come out???
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We also apparently retained 50%… makes it even worse, despite the constraints lol
I didn’t see that anywhere. Has it just come out???
Yea, its up on the finalized trade posts.
Panarin 50%, conditional 3rd, conditional 4th
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Drury gets raked over the coals.
Talk about underwhelming!!!
Unfortunately, because of the NMC, he got bent over. Not much you can do in the situation. Gorton signed him to a fully locked up NMC for the entirety of the contract. It is what it is.
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I do like Greentree. He’s a big physical kid that I think will be a good NHL player
No issues at all with Greentree. Hes been a target of mine going back to when we were looking to trade KAndre. Its the kicker thats a kick in the nuts. if it was a conditional 2nd, that could be a 1st, I would have been a bit less annoyed.
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Do we think Drury was like “nah I’m not gonna ask for a 1st?” Or do we think LA said “take it or leave it. We will just sign him in the offseason”. Like come on guys. I’m the number 1 drury hater. He sucks shit. I just don’t know what you think he should have done differently outside of waiting til the real trade deadline, which could backfire too
I will judge him by Trocheck, who we cannot afford to keep due to how much he could fetch us in a trade. He’s got term and only a modified NTC
I will judge him by Schneider, who apparently has trade value for some reason. You trade him if you can get anything good
If we get to the seasons end and no other major roster players have been moved it’s an abject failure
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https://x.com/puckreportnhl/status/2019171226376097794?s=46&t=uyemCTfXPLjxebCnYBfx6Q
In other news. Gavin McKenna is an idiot
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Do we think Drury was like “nah I’m not gonna ask for a 1st?” Or do we think LA said “take it or leave it. We will just sign him in the offseason”. Like come on guys. I’m the number 1 drury hater. He sucks shit. I just don’t know what you think he should have done differently outside of waiting til the real trade deadline, which could backfire too
I will judge him by Trocheck, who we cannot afford to keep due to how much he could fetch us in a trade. He’s got term and only a modified NTC
I will judge him by Schneider, who apparently has trade value for some reason. You trade him if you can get anything good
If we get to the seasons end and no other major roster players have been moved it’s an abject failure
Perhaps not announce to the league that we werent going to resign him????
Taking into account for what we got back for CK20 and Trouba, this is a home run. If Morrow turns out to be an NHL player, we win the Miller trade otherwise its another loss, a late First rounder doesnt move the needle for me.
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Someone posted this in ACGM and its not a bad idea. We take Laine off MTL’s hands for the fee of a 2nd round pick, without any retention.
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I think the problem with the notion that Drury’s hands were tied is that deadline rentals with limited options fetch double what we got.
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No question his options were limited but he did have options. Plus he ceded all the control to Panarin and his agent, who had most of it anyway due to the NMC and NTC.
I think ultimately the cherry on top is Holland had a contract ready to go with a number that majority of the teams interested couldnt match. Holland knew this and eliminated all the competition.
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I believe the thing that killed Drury in this trade is time.
Had he not gone viral globally that he was trading Panarin, yet rather sat down with Bread and his agent, asked them what their ideal destinations were, had not benched him and had him off the team in 72 hours… I think the return would have been closer to was we would have wanted. But instead he gave the GMs time, and in that time one clever GM realized what he could do to position himself ahead of everyone else. Then it went from 4… maybe 5 interested teams, to 1… and any leverage Drury may have had to get a better deal was gone.
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This idea doesn’t make sense that since everyone was told he wasn’t resigning the price went down. If no one knew we weren’t resigning him no one would trade for him… what am I missing ? How do you trade someone that no one knows is available? More likely, if the letter never went out teams would be calling Drury to check in on Panarin since we’re awful and he’s an expiring contract. The same result
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There’s a compounding effect here that’s hard to ignore. Having screwed up so badly last year with the players has forced Drury to over correct. He probably gave Panarin too much leverage, which backed him into a corner with one team. I’m not buying that, at the onset of all this, Panarin said “only the Kings.” If there were other options, Drury had leverage.
I like the prospects for Greentree, but you can’t trade one of the best offensive threats for basically just a good/maybe very good prospect. Does anyone know if he was LA’s best trade chip?
The pattern of Drury getting underwhelming trades is pretty brutal and will likely keep the org on the same path we’ve been on for 32 years.
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There’s a compounding effect here that’s hard to ignore. Having screwed up so badly last year with the players has forced Drury to over correct. He probably gave Panarin too much leverage, which backed him into a corner with one team. I’m not buying that, at the onset of all this, Panarin said “only the Kings.” If there were other options, Drury had leverage.
I like the prospects for Greentree, but you can’t trade one of the best offensive threats for basically just a good/maybe very good prospect. Does anyone know if he was LA’s best trade chip?
The pattern of Drury getting underwhelming trades is pretty brutal and will likely keep the org on the same path we’ve been on for 32 years.
Greentree was definitely their #1 prospect that wasnt already playing on the Kings.
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He only wanted LA…
Do we know this as a fact? If he only wanted LA, why did it take this long to make this sad trade?
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Is your issue now that it didn’t happen sooner or it could have been a better return
My issue is…
1. Save the letter for after the deadline. Dont announce to the world your plans. Do what you gotta do, and address it later.
2. Announcing that Panarin is available for trade, allowing it to marinade for like 3 weeks. Again, if he had just shut his mouth and handled business in house and got it done right away, the return probably would have been better. -
Gonna try to be as calm as possible. You guys are ridiculous as always. Maybe Rick has it fairly.
If anything he’s making up for bad PR, with the players, by doing Panarin a solid this time. Sending him to where he wanted to go, obviously no one believes this because it’s convenient not to believe it. I mean for two years you’ve killed the guy for the bad PR, this time he does the player a favor, and you still aren’t happy 🤣 you’re impossible to please
He gets the guy one guy here droooooools over every single day, in Greentree. What was a greentree? A friggin first rd pick!! And he still cant live with the return. The other piece is a guaranteed 3rd rder, potentially a second rder (series win). All for a guy who forced his way to a single team. It’s almost Houdini act that he got what he did, or genius like you could say .
For the love god most of you need to root for a new team. You’re the disgrace to this org, like 90% of this fanbase. Or suck it up because he isn’t going anywhere. If you had some god damn patience, and let him cook and watch him build a different team, you’ll be apologizing to me and him in time
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Gonna try to be as calm as possible. You guys are ridiculous as always. Maybe Rick has it fairly.
If anything he’s making up for bad PR, with the players, by doing Panarin a solid this time. Sending him to where he wanted to go, obviously no one believes this because it’s convenient not to believe it. I mean for two years you’ve killed the guy for the bad PR, this time he does the player a favor, and you still aren’t happy 🤣 you’re impossible to please
He gets the guy one guy here droooooools over every single day, in Greentree. What was a greentree? A friggin first rd pick!! And he still cant live with the return. The other piece is a guaranteed 3rd rder, potentially a second rder (series win). All for a guy who forced his way to a single team. It’s almost Houdini act that he got what he did, or genius like you could say .
For the love god most of you need to root for a new team. You’re the disgrace to this org, like 90% of this fanbase. Or suck it up because he isn’t going anywhere. If you had some god damn patience, and let him cook and watch him build a different team, you’ll be apologizing to me and him in time
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😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆Why do we have to settle for whatever Drury does because he runs the organization?
I like that we got Greentree, I dont like the add-ons. I think the way this was all handled, something was left on the table. Sure Panarin has a NMC and controls the situation, but if you dont make this a spectacle by announcing it, and then putting Bread in the press box maybe he could have done better than a 3rd round pick as a kicker.
My opinion is if he doesnt send the letter, keeps it in house, calls the GMs of the teams Panarin would agree to go to and said I want this done in 72 hrs it could have been better.
So Drury now wants to play peacekeeper with the players by making Panarin happy? Why?
tj, we get it, in your eyes, Drury can do no wrong as long as hes the GM of the NY Rangers because you will happily deal with whatever he does because you have no control over it. If he had gotten a turd on a stick for Panarin, youd sit here and legitimize how a turd on a stick is fair value for Panarin. Then close out your post with your usual saying… deal with it, Drury isnt getting fired.
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Aec….This place in a nut shell
Kakko and Buch who we never shut up about no longer having
Combined: 19 goals in 95 games
Zibanejad, who we collectively loathe is still on the team
23 goals in 55 games
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Its convenient to pick and choose your numbers when it comes to Buch. How about looking at the entire body of work since being traded? 114 goals, 296 points in 348 games for STL.
Sammy Blais since being traded from STL. 17 total points.
Kakko I dont care, I knew he wouldnt be any better than he was in NY. I was as vocal as anyone to get rid of Kakko and to stop obsessing that he was the 2nd overall pick, werent gonna get that kind of value.
But dude, with everything in my heart, if they do this all the way… they need to fire Ortmeyer and Glass. At the very least, if they do that, it would show me that atleast they recognize that the player development department is a problem.
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You guys are the kings of picking and choosing 🤣
Imagine for one second that we didn’t trade Buchnevich, and signed him to the deal the blues did..and he had 11 goals right now. Would that be going over well? I mean we tear Zib apart and it was the exact same thing, post contract hasn’t aged very well. And Blais tore is knee up, Drury obviously didn’t plan on that. He wasn’t the same after that. He barley got a real look until that happen anyway. Again Buch was overrated imo too, and he wast treated like an all star at the time of the trade. He was a decent player nothing spectacular
I’m with you, they could fire the scouting guys for all I care. But also, most of the picks Drury has made are at least incomplete. Need time to evaluate that. Othmann hasn’t looked great is fair. But Laba was Drury pick in rd 5 I think? Maybe 4th. He’s been a solid contributor.
I’m just saying you guys jump all over everything with him, selling is different than buying. Give him a freakin chance. So far so good imo. Soucy trade was a wash and Greentree is a first rder for a guy who picked where he wanted to go.
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TJ, stop making a fool of yourself.
I said Greentree is who I wanted and that’s a good pickup. Only getting a 3rd on top is a disgrace. Like others have said, releasing the letter, scratching him etc diminished the return. Same way he got nothing for Kakko Kreider and Trouba bc he made it known he wanted them gone regardless, kinda hard to negotiate when you show your hand.
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You guys are the kings of picking and choosing 🤣
Imagine for one second that we didn’t trade Buchnevich, and signed him to the deal the blues did..and he had 11 goals right now. Would that be going over well? I mean we tear Zib apart and it was the exact same thing, post contract hasn’t aged very well. And Blais tore is knee up, Drury obviously didn’t plan on that. He wasn’t the same after that. He barley got a real look until that happen anyway. Again Buch was overrated imo too, and he wast treated like an all star at the time of the trade. He was a decent player nothing spectacular
I’m with you, they could fire the scouting guys for all I care. But also, most of the picks Drury has made are at least incomplete. Need time to evaluate that. Othmann hasn’t looked great is fair. But Laba was Drury pick in rd 5 I think? Maybe 4th. He’s been a solid contributor.
I’m just saying you guys jump all over everything with him, selling is different than buying. Give him a freakin chance. So far so good imo. Soucy trade was a wash and Greentree is a first rder for a guy who picked where he wanted to go.
Its not so much that he traded Buch, he traded a guy coming off a near point per game season for nothing. Thats the problem.
You gotta figure other teams were calling, but Drury was fixated on Blais. Lets look at that small sample size before the injury, 19 games, Blais was a bottom 6 player averaging 13 minutes a game. They traded a RW1 playing over 18 min a game, for a bottom 6 depth player who played LW of all positions. At a time when we had Panarin, Kreider and had just drafted LAF. Still to this day, since that trade, theyre trying to find a RW1.
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It’s funny that JT Miller last year only wanted the Rangers but yet Drury had to give up a first rd pick when he knew damn well this team was not playoff worthy. We sure could have used a Braeden Cootes or Carter Bear in our cupboard at pick 12 instead of frittering it away for JT..Drury had ALL the leverage but included the first rounder anyway. Giroux a UFA only wanted Florida yet what was the price? A first rd and 3rd and Owen Tippet? Yet when Panarin has the leverage ( which Drury didn’t help things by telling the whole league he would not be signing here) it’s Greentree and a 3 rd with half retention by the way. So yeah color me unimpressed with how all this went down.
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TJ, stop making a fool of yourself.
I said Greentree is who I wanted and that’s a good pickup. Only getting a 3rd on top is a disgrace. Like others have said, releasing the letter, scratching him etc diminished the return. Same way he got nothing for Kakko Kreider and Trouba bc he made it known he wanted them gone regardless, kinda hard to negotiate when you show your hand.
Your problem is what YOU think a player should get back isn’t what is actually the truth. You do it all the time. And then you go on and on about it for years how they should’ve gotten this or that. Trouba sucked. Kreider was old. Together they managed to lead them out of two playoff series wins, snatching losses from the hands of victory. Throw Goodrow in that mix too. To a lesser extent Panarin. It all makes sense. It was a flawed team that he didn’t even build, now he’s dismantled it. Florida series open Drurys eyes, mine and apparently no one else’s
Imagine he got hurt and got nothing for him. Why do you think he was scratched?Unbelievable 🤣
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Please.and I got news for you, letter or no letter, it was fairly obvious Panarin was getting traded. It wasn’t a secret which is what I guess you guys thought would happen. Again he did a player a solid (after last year), by trading him pre freeze where he can adapt to LA find a place, meet the people around the team, etc. Maybe he got some much needed brownie pts with these divas, and maybe it hurt the return a little bit..but he had no leverage. And imo hes lucky to get what he did if it was that limited (leverage). He didn’t sign him to that contract, so the clauses didn’t help obviously
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Buch top season with us wasn’t even a PPG. 21 goal high. He was good, nothing great. Matter of fact he was probably as good as a 2nd rd pick dart throw, and a role player. He had a two year spurt where it got him paid. Now the Blues probably have buyers remorse, because he isn’t producing like an 8 million dollar guy. If you expect me to believe Drury wouldn’t be getting hell for that (contract) too, your out of your minds
Kakko too. 6 goals. Still stickhandles like a magician for about ten seconds, then nothing. Borgen isn’t great, but backup/AHL goalies make him look terrible just like all 6-7 of the Dmen. He is probably best suited for 3rd pair, which he would be playing if Fox was healthy.
JT miller trade. Chytil is hurt again (unfortunately) Sure they traded a first rder, but he got a first rder back this year and a second. For a guy who was overrated. So two darts instead of one now. Morrow who has promise, And they needed a captain. Remember when they didn’t have one? It pissed you all off if I recall.
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Besides yelling at you all, Im here to provide therapy too lol. I’m doing lineups like crazy, and it isn’t bad or overly difficult to think this could happen with the cap space
Laf Schmaltz Tuch
-Laf needs to play LW. Rather than trade him for peanuts, move him to his natural position and see what happens. Give him a full year on the PP1 and first line minutes. If he still sucks you move him for peanuts and chalk it up a major disappointment. You switch him and Cuylle, or dare I say Gavin McKenna or Ivar Stenburg, if he still sucks
-Signing Tuch and Schmaltz is where they should go. Theyll have money and roles immediately for them upon arrival. This is what it means to “retool”, not rebuild
Miller Mika Perrault
– let it marinate some more. Together they show flashes and when Perrault gets more games and time under his belt it’ll be a better and more productive line
Cuylle Trocheck McKenna/Stenburg/Greentree
-this is if they keep Trocheck. I get the return he’d get, but I’m not so sure he’s part of the dismantling. Him and Miller are very close. At the very least maybe he stays one more TDL and reevaluate then. It’s not a rush to trade him imo. I know this will piss people off, but it’s to be expected. But it might be best for now. Cuylle has been one of the bigger disappointments but maybe it’ll keep his current tract demands down, or motivate him next season to be better. I would in no way give up on him whatsoever. Hopefully a prized prospect takes the job and runs with it, Greentree is possible. Or the top 5 pick they draft
Othmann Laba Raddysh/Rempe/Edstrom
-Othmann id keep around one more contract. Give him a full time spot next year low in the lineup and see what happens.
* 100% trade Carrick for maybe a 3rd, like Soucy. Possibly a 4th. Laba imo is very much a part of the solution moving forward. He’s been good, even tho the NHL rigors may have caught up to him this year. But that’s ok,
He needs to be a 4C imo. 13 and 14th Fs we can tinker. Rempe has really tailed off this year, Raddysh sucks and Edstrom appears injury prone. But at least Othmann and Laba both are young and provide some spark where the 4th line is two parts fullGavrikov Fox
-self explanatory. It was good before the injury. No reason to expect this pair to suck next season
Ferraro Morrow/Verhoeff
– I’ve said it for years, but they need to trade Schneider. This is an easy 2nd rd pick to obtain and move on with Morrow taking the next step. Ferraro is perfect signing. He’s a bigger version of Lindgren and ok on the second pair where he can be relied upon for hard minutes, but less minutes. He blocks shots like Girardi and Lindgren. Tough sob.
*Verhoeff is possible, I’m not sure he’s ready for the NHL yet but could see him be drafted. He might be to good to pass up, especially if the wingers are gone
Robertson Borgen
– to me Robertson has been the biggest surprise this season. Good size, surprisingly good offensively and for the most part he’s been good defensively. This is Borgens sweet spot, 3rd pair he is great for him and the team
Iorio 7th D
-hes probably made someone expendable and imo it’s Schneider
Shesty
Nedjelkovic-they need a new back up. Thanks to Quicky for everything, but he’s toast. Martin is bad. He’s got to go and go stat
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Gonna try to be as calm as possible. You guys are ridiculous as always. Maybe Rick has it fairly.
If anything he’s making up for bad PR, with the players, by doing Panarin a solid this time. Sending him to where he wanted to go, obviously no one believes this because it’s convenient not to believe it. I mean for two years you’ve killed the guy for the bad PR, this time he does the player a favor, and you still aren’t happy 🤣 you’re impossible to please
He gets the guy one guy here droooooools over every single day, in Greentree. What was a greentree? A friggin first rd pick!! And he still cant live with the return. The other piece is a guaranteed 3rd rder, potentially a second rder (series win). All for a guy who forced his way to a single team. It’s almost Houdini act that he got what he did, or genius like you could say .
For the love god most of you need to root for a new team. You’re the disgrace to this org, like 90% of this fanbase. Or suck it up because he isn’t going anywhere. If you had some god damn patience, and let him cook and watch him build a different team, you’ll be apologizing to me and him in time
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😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆Another below stupid quote. He had to send him where he wanted to go, he had no other choice. So he didnt do him a solid.
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Lets revisit 2 trades…
Brock Nelson, locked up NTC (no team submission), netted the Isles Calum Ritchie, Oliver Kylington, a conditional 1st and a conditional 3rd.
Claude Giroux, NMC (Florida was his choice and it wasnt a secret) the Flyers got Owen Tippett, a 1st and a 3rd. Heck, the Panthers didnt even intend on resigning Giroux, they gave that up for a straight up rental.Panarin is essentially the same age as those 2 when the trades occurred, and theres no debate that hes the better player between the 2.
So to not get, at the very least, a conditional 1st of some sort (or a conditional 2nd that could be a 1st) and a 3rd as the kicker to Greentree is not good.
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What Drury does with the vacated cap is also a factor. I want JRob. JRob, Greentree, cond 3rd for Panarin (and whatever is needed to acquire Robertson) is easier to digest.
JRob will most likely be an off-season move for Dallas.
What Drury should do with the vacated cap… assuming Trocheck, Schneider, Raddysh, Carrick are moved… is he should monetize it by taking other teams bad contracts, for example, get MTL to pay a 2nd to take on Laine. Get EDM to give us something to take on Mangiapane. Maybe Tampa wants to unload Bjorkstrand. This is where we should be.
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