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So the Leaf victories we can cheer for will be that our goon beats up the other teams goon and we catch a great team on a back to back after 5 games in 6 nights and get a goaltending performance for the ages in a win?
Sign me up!
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I still remember the terrible Leafs team in 1983 beating the powerhouse Oilers and Bunny Larocque stopping the great one on a penalty shot.
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Oh hell I cheer for bad leafs too for reasons like that 😂 I was only 6 in 83’ so I was watching but my detailed memory is… well… about as good as it is now lol
Matthews is not injured and has not lost his ability to play or score. He’s just struggling without Marner. His value and his contract would still bring the Leafs a sky high return no matter what some retards think.
Same goes for a lot of other assets the Leafs have. There are teams that overpay at the deadline every, single year. Usually, it’s a team stupid like the Leafs, but there are many others. Teams that are going hard for the playoff run will give up 1st round picks and prospects. The Leafs just have to make the players available.
The Leafs have two chances left. This year (they suck and aren’t going anywhere) and next year. That’s a really small window of opportunity. But that’s all they got left. After that, they have to trade everybody and start the rebuild sooner rather than later. Matthews signed a 4 year deal for a reason. He’s done playing here if there is no chance to win. And it’s hard to blame him after what they did to this team.
wtf is with your Marner addiction? Matthews is still getting a shit ton of shots, they’re just not as good as they once were, it’s not Marner he’s missing, it’s himself.
As for overpaying it’s Ontario, so they have to. The player doesn’t give a rats ass about their cap hit, they’re just not are an individual who cares about their take home, you know, like everyone else does when it comes to their salaries? Do you care more about what your pay cheque is or what it costs the company you work for?
And yes, I’m starting to see the 2 year window as well. Unless there is some sort of unexpected big deal that occurs.
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And yet those goals could still win some games against bad teams. Also, why keep him when he can get you draft picks or prospects? That’s the same mistake we got stuck with when Sundin refused to waive his NTC. Tavares won’t want to play on a lottery team at 38. He’s still going to want to win a Cup and playing on a trash lottery team doesn’t come before trying to win a Cup.You’re right about Knies probably does play a lot better with elite line mates and get you a better return but if the Leafs blow up the team and rebuild, but you’ll need him when you have new elite franchise players on ELC and he would still be under 30. And the majority of the team will still be on ELC until he’s 32 which means you can afford to overpay him to stay.
Think of how Chicago had veterans on the team before Kane and Toews showed up. It allowed them to win a Cup a lot faster than expected. I’d rather have Knies at 29 than try to find another one and wait 5 years for him to be ready. If he refuses to play on a tanking Canadian team, you trade him but if you can keep him, you keep him.
Sundin is not JT, not from TO and did not grow up loving the team. Mentally their attachment to the leafs is not equal, please get a grasp on this.
Knies is an American who will only stay under 53.53% taxation when the league has limited bonuses to 60% now to push talent back down to the southern US with a talented team. The league doesn’t want the cup won by a Canadian team, hell they don’t even really want it won by northern US teams, they want it won where they’re trying to build the league. Financially everything is groomed for teams in low taxation states. So it’s a safe bet that unless a Canadian team is a competitor don’t expect an talented American to want to play up here.
A lot can happen in the next 2.5 years. He’s been in the playoffs every year since he’s been here (hasnt performed that great on a consistent basis), he loves it here and they could still go on a nice playoff run.
The D is already old and will get slower…we all knew that. But if they stay decent they could be moved out for picks or parts if things fall apart…1st rounders?…doubtful. But we’ll see in several years.Some peeps swore up and down that Matthews would be leaving the last time he was an FA, didnt happen, not even close. Could things change, of course, we’ll see. Him and McD will be FA’s that year, could the leafs sign both for team “friendly-ish” deals. Sure why not.
So many things could happen in the next couple of years, no sense going doom and gloom 6 games into this season worrying about the 27/28 season.The leafs have made some bad TDL trades and blew their 1st rounders for the next couple of years, that’s gonna really hurt them (as expected). So I expect a quiet deadline.
But the season has barely begun so not too worried. Heck, nowadays I dont worry about the leafs at all. 🙂For starters every player in the league says they love who they’re playing for so stop caring about that lol
And as much as I hate to say this the truth is simple. Once his contract is coming to an end he will be in his 30s, will no longer be able
To get everything as a bonus on July 1st and play for league minimum, and the leafs will have nothing really worth mentioning in development yet.I really hate to say this man but the leafs have 5 years tops before a rebuild will be needed. They’re already at a decade for this core, no upcoming good picks, prospects aren’t deep, and the core of this team will be 30+ VERY soon.
It’s going to feel like 2010 again before you know it.
can never enjoy anything, always negative. what a sad loser.
I will always remember that home run… I literally got up and cheered out loud by myself waking up my gf who had to get up at 5am for work lol. She came out and literally said “you’re lucky it’s a Toronto team succeeding in the playoffs and that you still wake up with me tired as hell to make me breakfast, but you’re done cheering right?” I said “maybe, the game isn’t quite over yet” to which she looked at me with half asleep eyes and said “I’ll put my ear plugs in, goodnight…”, then she looked back towards the bedroom and then back towards me and then said this like she had to: “my love” and then walked away 😂
I think the tough part is that it seems like an injury, but obviously one that they can’t address and just isn’t going to get better 🙁
Maybe they themselves are still hoping that it will come around?
If so let’s hope they had the first few number of games already decided for it to do so before adjusting things, like the first 10 or dozen games. As I said if he can accept it, and he turns himself into a primary passer feeding Nylander, that line can become offensively dangerous quickly. It would take some juggling to figure out a new line 2 but oh well.
None of the above will happen. NONE
The leafs drastically overpaid for laughton…so go fuck yourself learn that just because the leafs got robbed doesnt mean the leafs will be able to rob other teams.Also, its 6/7 games in…so STFU and quit your damn whining.
Man we were talking about the final season of Matthews contract so relax a bit. The D won’t be looking pretty by then, Rielly will be 33, McCabe will be 34, and Tanev will be 37 and all 3 of them will be signed for 2 more years. There will be nothing notable in development since the leafs have nothing notable in the upcoming drafts. I can see Matthews, an American from Arizona, moving on. The team will likely be starting to look like TB is this year so my hope is that he allows a trade in his final year of his contract if so and he doesn’t burn the leafs like Sundin and Marner have.
The returns suggested for Matthews are pure fantasy. His contract is an albatross. He is not even in the ballpark of performing up to that contract.
At some point, people will wake up and realize that we just don’t see him ripping pucks past frozen goaltenders anymore. I don’t know if it is injuries or not, but he used to be the most lethal player in the league and he is nowhere near that now and hasn’t been for a couple years.
If he has lost his lethal shot fine, he can still skate, handle the puck, and pass extremely well. Berube’s should have a chat with him, tell him to pass the puck more and put Nylander on his wing. Sure he’ll still get his “in tight” goals but you get what I’m saying.
But I agree he isn’t looking like he used to yet and it’s not from a lack of chances so he’s still getting the puck fed to him just fine.
Knies is 23 signed until 2031. That means if they trade everybody, tank in 28/29/30, they have Knies until he’s 29. At that point, the Leafs have a team full of ELC and a cap that’s probably at over 100 million a year. If it costs the Leafs 12/13 million to keep Knies happy, they could easily afford to do it. If he wants to leave, then they can trade him. But you can’t trade him now because he gives you under 30 value for the future.
Tavares helps the Leafs lose playoff series, not regular season games. If they want to tank, they’d fill the line-up with two bad goalies and Bozaks, not Tavares. And don’t kid yourself into thinking Tavares would stick around on a lottery team. He’d only play for the Leafs if the believes they can win a Cup. A non-playoff team makes Tavares say bye bye to the pajamas as he chases a Cup in his retirement years, not sitting around TO on a team that loses 60 games. And the Leafs could easily get picks for him that would be way more useful to a rebuild than any kind of loser lessons he’d have to teach.
Man, JT is at the point where he scores and the leafs still lose. Keep him. He literally IS the Bozak if that’s what you want to call it.
I’m seeing that out of him now tbh, can he play? Yes, does he amplify a linemates game? No.
As for Knies whatever, he won’t look as good without top ten picks on his line, get rid of him when they decide to drop Matthews while he is shiny imo.
I see Knies as under contract and useful because he would be under 30. He either earns his keep or he doesn’t. Cap space wouldn’t be an issue if you had to overpay him to stay because the Leafs would be closer to the cap floor than the cap ceiling if they traded away all the guys I listed above. And yes, if he has no desire to stay, you trade him when that time comes. But he signed a 7 year deal so he’s locked in until the Leafs decide otherwise.
Tavares sucks. He’s a career loser. Just like Marleau, Thornton, Spezza and all the other home town pylons the Leafs brought in to pretend to be “leaders”. They’re losers. Tavares is a perfectly nice human being but he does not win this team games that matter. His discount is 1000% irrelevant if it yields bad on ice results. If a bad player plays for free, he’s still a bad player. Tavares is a one-way player. He scores and then is the cause of more goals against. He’s the wrong guy for this team. Some “contender” would gladly take him at the trade deadline for half his salary (Leafs could easily retain salary because the cap space wouldn’t matter anymore on a tanking team) and he would waive his NMC because he would rather be on a “pretender contender” than be on a last place, lottery team.
A couple of things. 1, Knies is only on a 6 year contract, not 7, the leafs are only going to be just starting their rebuild when it comes time to resign him, he won’t want to stay. So trade him when he plays ramped up with the other guys because face it, he’s a late round 2 guy who won’t look as good without them. Also like I said, he’s from Arizona and really doesn’t give a shit about the leafs unless he’s signed by them.
As for JT your point makes mine even stronger. If the leafs are going into rebuild, and JT is what you say he is, then he’s precisely what they want to keep. The old fucking C along with the old fucking D core til they draft up the new guys to take their places. The. End.
The way the leafs are dumping off their picks means that when they intend to rebuild it’s going to be a Chicago style one so don’t keep anyone in the middle. Old, then young.
