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ParticipantNo idea if this ever got played outside of the Midwest…
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Participant– anyone impressed with tocchet yet? another boring, bland, stale coaching choice.
– ex selke increasing his trade value. I kid flyers do not have any forth sight to move him or Tippet for that matter. core players for middling team going nowhere team.
– now that zegras is on the wing they have to many. MM-Martone-TK-MM -The Forest- Brink – Tippet. what will danny boy do? his head must be spinning. pretty obvious to many except the ones that make the decisions. can briere admit he made a mistake?
– laughtchenko zero shots on goal. pathetic. even worse if you go back and add in his preseason games. don’t see any good nhl qualities at all so far.
– we shall see if the coach rides vlader for a while.
– dvorak not offering much. showing every game he isnt a top 6 option at all.
– like russian #2. just seems to notice him on the ice. hope they let him work through the things he needs to work on.
– nothing really has changed.
Another win now hire, despite having mediocre (at best) talent. Tocchet will get them to the 7-12 pick range, and a season of great improvement will be celebrated.
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Participant>wow that’s sudden. wasn’t i just reading articles about his new album not too long ago?
Yeah. From what I’ve read, he apparently had a fall in September that ultimately led to his death today.
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ParticipantRIP Ace.
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Participanti don’t know if i ever told you this story but when joe (fucking) carter hit that home run i was watching at my friend’s house with a bunch of people and i don’t know what happened but one second i was watching the game and then that happened and the next second everybody was gone, all the food was put away, and i was still sitting in the same spot. i have no idea what happened there for that period of time.
Similar deal with me… nice to see I wasn’t the only one.
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ParticipantWhen the Flyers have been a relevant contender, the blueline usually was built thru draft picks and savvy trades. I’ll start with ’96-’97 blueline- Desjardins (trade), Therien (draft pick), Niinimaa (draft pick), Svoboda (trade), Dykhuis (trade), Coffey (trade), Samuelsson (free agent signing). ’10-’11 blueline – Kimmo (trade), Coburn (trade), Pronger (trade), Carle (trade), Meszaros (trade), O’Donnell (free agent signing).
There are plenty of lean years with brutal bluelines, no doubt. However, building a top tier blueline can be built thru using all assets available to the GM. It is up to the GM not to over value his talent level found within the organization during his tenure. At the present time even with every Dman healthy currently in the organization, this blueline cannot be built into a top tier level. It is not all bad, but needs upgrades. It will be imperative for Briere to be savvy in the trade market. With the cap rising, the free agent market will have very few difference making options over the next few summers.
Indeed, it can be. But…
Other than the trade for Niskanen (oddly enough, a Fletcher move), when was the last time a Flyers GM pulled off a move that actually improved the blue line? It’s been well over a decade, and to this point, the only significant moves Briere has made is salary cap dumps for very late first round picks.
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ParticipantAlways love how these writers throw the “rebuilding” word in every article. There was and never has been a rebuild. This guy in every paragraph talks about the “rebuild”. Must be on the payroll
Anyway. No, they don’t have the players to fix the defense. Even healthy it is a bottom 10 unit easily. They have no real help anytime soon outside of bonk and who knows how far away before he can help. Any real help will have to come via a trade. Which means you will have to give to get. Danny doesn’t seem inclined yet to do that as he “loves” his team. Who is even available at this stage that can help now and in the future. Then who do the flyers have with value that they will move?
Right now, the flyers have 2 guys they can move forward with on D (maybe 3 if you want to include JD) if they want to contend at some point. The rest are fodder. Maybe Andrae can be a 3rd pair guy. Either way they have a lot to do in terms of addressing and fixing the defense. Then add in Sanheim will continue to age and his play will start to naturally drop. Pretty bleak on the blueline to me. Which tells me they will overpay in free agency for secondary pieces who they will prop up as top end pieces. Like Trouba.
He really didn’t offer any solutions to fix the problem.
The solution is the same solution they’ve used for years… overspend on free agents and kick the can down the road another year or two. And with nothing of quality in the system, it’s pretty much the only path they can take.
What I also like is constantly seeing when Ristolainen is healthy, that seemingly changes everything. At this point in his career, he’s a bottom-pairing defenseman (and that’s only if his body doesn’t have its annual breakdown), yet his name is spoken in such reverent tones, you’d think he was destined for the Hockey Hall of Fame.
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ParticipantYes, you are correct. I keep getting the reason for his college ineligibility wrong. Good catch. I’m just glad Martone can play in college this year.
Sadly, this egregious lack of vision (and the reason behind it) seems to go unnoticed by a rather large portion of the fan base.
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ParticipantThe Jett hype is turning into vaporware. First last year and now this year. Every time he hit the NHL ice in 2024 he made the brain trust look bad but if he doesn’t play all you have is the hype. The main purpose seems to be DB and Jonesy patting themselves on the back. Play the kid or send him back. He can’t go the college route? It’s your own damn fault for trying to force him onto the roster last year.
ND should never play against Greb or Jett if they are available. This old school crap from a franchise that hasn’t been relevant in 15 years and needs to develop these kids is ridiculous.
At least in Tocchet they have a coach that hasn’t quit on his team in the middle of the season or abused his players. Sadly that’s a low bar to clear from DB’s best bud who he still preferred over Tocchet.
Maybe just maybe the Flyers should stop trying to shoehorn a piss poor team into the playoffs and start a rebuild?
Not sure how it works, but wasn’t he ineligible for college a week after the draft when, in a panic move after the Gauthier fiasco, Briere signed him to his ELC?
Flyers GMs seem to have a thing for compounding their mistakes.
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Participantjake is/was a loser. every wonder why no contending teams never had any interest in him despite the numbers he put up?
there is no plan, no path to contention, nothing but hope and luck.
Nothing but “the Flyers way.”
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Participantthere was never a rebuild therefore the flyers “had” to keep him. key core player. true flyer.
this is just another wasted year spinning their wheels. until the dumb ass flyers fans wake up and stop going to the games, nothing will change
Said this about the Voracek extension a decade ago. Not that I had a problem with the player, but we were fed the rebuild line at that time as well, and he seemed like an unneeded luxury that could have brought a decent return to help that supposed rebuild along.
Funny thing… the “culture” is there. Problem is, it’s a culture of questionable decisions that really never play out in the Flyers favor.
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ParticipantCongrats to Bob for the win last night and i hope he has another great season. Rarely has the shortsightedness of the Flyers over time been shown so clearly. We are here almost 15 years later and has anything really changed for the Flyers? Is the team in front of the goalie any better? There is no hope of stabilizing the Flyers defense short of trading for a #1 dman because they sure as hell aren’t trying to draft one. The Flyers defense is “thin” even when healthy.
ND really made a difference out there last night playing the least amount of minutes of all skaters. He fought how many times? The Flyers much hyped “rookie” in his second year of making the big club learned a lot from the press box about how not to fight i guess from ND. ND looking ok in 1 preseason game almost a month ago was really the right take away from the preseason.
This isn’t a knock on ND. He is who he is and is performing as expected, at least outside the Flyers brain trust. If the Flyers had no better options on the bench and it wasn’t a rebuilding year then i would get it but if Jett isn’t a better option than a mid 30s slow footed over the hill fighter, what is he doing on the team? He’s had more games in the press box than on the ice over the last 2 years.
But i guess the rebuild is over, they are in the mix for the playoffs and are going to fight their way in.
Another flat start (or so I read)… guys not bothering to show up until late in the second period. Gee, where have we heard that before?
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ParticipantIt does feel like the Flyers plan, if you can call it that, is to keep doing this. The Flyers are pinning their hopes on a franchise center and a franchise dman hitting UFA and then being able to outbid everyone for them.
It’s why I hold little to no hope this franchise will ever progress… just doesn’t seem like there’s anyone in the organizaiton in touch with reality.
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