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We can do the old joke about the fans yelling “shooooooot” at Jake Voracek every time he crosses the blue line, but this is a low-event and somewhat boring team. Typical for a Rick Tocchet squad, I guess.
The Flyers currently are 28th in shots, with 1,436 on the year. They’ have’ve allowed 1,438, which is 29th. They’ve score 162 goals and allowed 177, which is 23rd and 14th. Their 28th-ranked power play is 16.1% and the penalty kill is middle of the pack at 79.1%.
There’s just not a lot of action in most of these games. Their shot on goal differential is a flat 0.0. There was a play on Thursday night when Coots drove hard to the net and almost turned nothing into something, but they rarely force the issue and they just seem hesitant to get bodies in front and fire the puck into the mess. It’s not exciting hockey, but it’s better than a few perimeter passes and inevitably losing the puck. There was zero jam in the building on Thursday night.
This really seems spot on to me. This is a listless team which is a hard to watch. How do you sell fans on Tochey hockey (yea i borrowed that) that at times seems to be playing “prevent offense” (borrowed from the Patullo led Eagles)?
2 Goals in 18 OT games should get someone fired but we learned from Rocky’s employment the last few years that coaches have zero accountability and that’s just the way the FO likes it.This is excluding the part in the article where the Flyers have no realistic paths to 1F, 1D, etc now that DB/Jones were caught unawares regarding top players resigning because the cap went up.
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The only realistic way they get a “top six” C, let alone a #1 center is to trade for one. Im hoping they can identify a team that lacks wing depth and maybe find a need for need trade. Tippett for Wright has been mentioned. Robert Thomas has been mentioned but I think the Flyers would really have to pay an uncomfortable price for the Blues (and Thomas) to consider it. I’m talking Michkov or Martone. (plus that NTC, cap hit and term)
I wonder if something like Tippett and Toronto’s 1st gets you Wright and a pick or prospect from Seattle? Maybe Julius Miettinen? Is Jake O’Brien (instead of Wright) available? These are the kinds of deals Briere is “hopefully” pursuing.
Who knows, maybe they keep falling and get a realistic chance to draft someone like Tynan Lawrence or Caleb Malhotra.
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the state of the team is the same since wharton certificate boy took over, and even before.
They are not a good team. They have no plan to become a good team. They have no path towards cup contention.
As far as Thomas, he will not waive to come to Philly. There will be many suitors for his services. He would have zero reason to come to philly.
Anyone who has faith in wharton boy or “jonesy” needs their head examined. Fact is its very bleak. nothing has changed
crazy thing is they are still very much in the playoff race. couple games out.
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the state of the team is the same since wharton certificate boy took over, and even before.
They are not a good team. They have no plan to become a good team. They have no path towards cup contention.
As far as Thomas, he will not waive to come to Philly. There will be many suitors for his services. He would have zero reason to come to philly.
Anyone who has faith in wharton boy or “jonesy” needs their head examined. Fact is its very bleak. nothing has changed
crazy thing is they are still very much in the playoff race. couple games out.
Blame Bettman and the OT point rules. It is hard to be out of the playoff race at this point in the year unless you are committed to the tank.
I still can’t believe they’ve only scored 2 goals in 18 OT periods. That may be a record and yesterday’s OT was incredibly bad. Maybe they should try something different, like Michkov. -
crazy thing is they are still very much in the playoff race. couple games out.
It is crazy they’re still in the race, a very long shot now, after going 3-8-4 in their last 15 games since the ANA game. They were 22-12-7 the first half of the season.
Seeing talk from Canadian media that Konecny and Tippett could go with the right return. Konecny is a .95 PPG player over the last 4 seasons and is proved durable. Tippett is big, can skate, averages 27 goals per 82 games over the same 4 seasons and is more durable than Konecny. The Flyers need more size up front, not less. People gripe about the lack of production from the center spots. They aren’t wrong but these two guys are delivering without it. Package better be extraordinary. Need a proven #1/2 C or a Top 4 Dman to consider it.
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crazy thing is they are still very much in the playoff race. couple games out.
It is crazy they’re still in the race, a very long shot now, after going 3-8-4 in their last 15 games since the ANA game. They were 22-12-7 the first half of the season.
Seeing talk from Canadian media that Konecny and Tippett could go with the right return. Konecny is a .95 PPG player over the last 4 seasons and is proved durable. Tippett is big, can skate, averages 27 goals per 82 games over the same 4 seasons and is more durable than Konecny. The Flyers need more size up front, not less. People gripe about the lack of production from the center spots. They aren’t wrong but these two guys are delivering without it. Package better be extraordinary. Need a proven #1/2 C or a Top 4 Dman to consider it.
WTF is tippet delivering? he is an underwhelming 20 something goal scorer. A solid depth piece. nothing more. certainly not a core player.
Briere is too scared to ask tK to waive and also has no interest in moving him. Briere is a putz. TK can help any team and one has to hope him and his BFF ask out. I doubt it as both are comfortable as hell in the current situation.
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The only realistic way they get a “top six” C, let alone a #1 center is to trade for one. Im hoping they can identify a team that lacks wing depth and maybe find a need for need trade. Tippett for Wright has been mentioned. Robert Thomas has been mentioned but I think the Flyers would really have to pay an uncomfortable price for the Blues (and Thomas) to consider it. I’m talking Michkov or Martone. (plus that NTC, cap hit and term)
I wonder if something like Tippett and Toronto’s 1st gets you Wright and a pick or prospect from Seattle? Maybe Julius Miettinen? Is Jake O’Brien (instead of Wright) available? These are the kinds of deals Briere is “hopefully” pursuing.
Who knows, maybe they keep falling and get a realistic chance to draft someone like Tynan Lawrence or Caleb Malhotra.
I think i read from one of the beats that the Flyers have no interest in Wright?
Either way they have a log jam in center. Assuming they resign Zegras and plan to use him as a center, he will get a NMC because Flyers. That leaves you with 3 C with NMC for the next 3 years (Dvorak, Coots, Zegras). That doesn’t include Cates who is on a 4 year extension. What do you do with the existing centers, most of which are unmovable? The Flyers already have too many middle six wingers for next year. Unless Wright ends up being a #1 center you are worse off than before with 5 centers who aren’t the answer and no place to put another if you can find one.
I don’t know. The Flyers roster construction is batshit crazy and DB wants to lock everybody up to keep the crazy train rolling.
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the state of the team is the same since wharton certificate boy took over, and even before.
They are not a good team. They have no plan to become a good team. They have no path towards cup contention.
As far as Thomas, he will not waive to come to Philly. There will be many suitors for his services. He would have zero reason to come to philly.
Anyone who has faith in wharton boy or “jonesy” needs their head examined. Fact is its very bleak. nothing has changed
crazy thing is they are still very much in the playoff race. couple games out.
Blame Bettman and the OT point rules. It is hard to be out of the playoff race at this point in the year unless you are committed to the tank.
I still can’t believe they’ve only scored 2 goals in 18 OT periods. That may be a record and yesterday’s OT was incredibly bad. Maybe they should try something different, like Michkov.I can when you play dvorak and cates
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WTF is tippet delivering? he is an underwhelming 20 something goal scorer. A solid depth piece. nothing more. certainly not a core player.
Briere is too scared to ask tK to waive and also has no interest in moving him. Briere is a putz. TK can help any team and one has to hope him and his BFF ask out. I doubt it as both are comfortable as hell in the current situation.
Hate to break the news to you but 27 goals per 82 games is not underwhelming. That’s a top 6 winger for just about any team in the league. Plus he’s proven to be durable. Of course, that doesn’t matter.
Either way they have a log jam in center. Assuming they resign Zegras and plan to use him as a center, he will get a NMC because Flyers. That leaves you with 3 C with NMC for the next 3 years (Dvorak, Coots, Zegras). That doesn’t include Cates who is on a 4 year extension. What do you do with the existing centers, most of which are unmovable? The Flyers already have too many middle six wingers for next year. Unless Wright ends up being a #1 center you are worse off than before with 5 centers who aren’t the answer and no place to put another if you can find one.
Zegras has to crack his issue with winning faceoffs. He’s flipping back to center sooner or later and that fills one of the two top scoring center needs. Somebody else can always flip to wing.
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WTF is tippet delivering? he is an underwhelming 20 something goal scorer. A solid depth piece. nothing more. certainly not a core player.
Briere is too scared to ask tK to waive and also has no interest in moving him. Briere is a putz. TK can help any team and one has to hope him and his BFF ask out. I doubt it as both are comfortable as hell in the current situation.
Hate to break the news to you but 27 goals per 82 games is not underwhelming. That’s a top 6 winger for just about any team in the league. Plus he’s proven to be durable. Of course, that doesn’t matter.
Either way they have a log jam in center. Assuming they resign Zegras and plan to use him as a center, he will get a NMC because Flyers. That leaves you with 3 C with NMC for the next 3 years (Dvorak, Coots, Zegras). That doesn’t include Cates who is on a 4 year extension. What do you do with the existing centers, most of which are unmovable? The Flyers already have too many middle six wingers for next year. Unless Wright ends up being a #1 center you are worse off than before with 5 centers who aren’t the answer and no place to put another if you can find one.
Zegras has to crack his issue with winning faceoffs. He’s flipping back to center sooner or later and that fills one of the two top scoring center needs. Somebody else can always flip to wing.
tippet is underwhelming. solid depth piece. he is what he is and no more untapped potential. he has 28, 27, and 20 goals each the last 3 seasons. 19 this year.
zegras was back on the wing last night. the coach has no long-term vision, he is dope. he will end up a winger on this team
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tippet is underwhelming. solid depth piece. he is what he is and no more untapped potential. he has 28, 27, and 20 goals each the last 3 seasons. 19 this year.
zegras was back on the wing last night. the coach has no long-term vision, he is dope. he will end up a winger on this team
Again you fail to appreciate averaging 27 goals per 82 over 4 seasons puts Tippett in limited company. Please list the teams that have three wingers that can all match or top that number.
Zegras needs to get better at the dot. FWIW, Shane Wright has a comparably bad faceoff percentage.
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tippet is underwhelming. solid depth piece. he is what he is and no more untapped potential. he has 28, 27, and 20 goals each the last 3 seasons. 19 this year.
zegras was back on the wing last night. the coach has no long-term vision, he is dope. he will end up a winger on this team
Again you fail to appreciate averaging 27 goals per 82 over 4 seasons puts Tippett in limited company. Please list the teams that have three wingers that can all match or top that number.
Zegras needs to get better at the dot. FWIW, Shane Wright has a comparably bad faceoff percentage.
where are you coming up with 27? where are the 3 teams with 3 wingers with 27 goals coming from?
how can zegras improve on his faceoffs?
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where are you coming up with 27? where are the 3 teams with 3 wingers with 27 goals coming from?
how can zegras improve on his faceoffs?
94 goals in 288 games over the last 4 seasons. 94 divided by 288 is .326 multiplied by 82 is 27. Simple math. Which teams have three wingers who have put pucks in the net at that pace? I’ll give you a head start: Dallas does. They have Robertson, Rantanen and Hintz. Who else does?
The word around in the summer was Zegras needs to cheat better. Sometimes wingers need to jump in and grab pucks to cement a faceoff win. Flyers don’t stand out at that.
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where are you coming up with 27? where are the 3 teams with 3 wingers with 27 goals coming from?
how can zegras improve on his faceoffs?
94 goals in 288 games over the last 4 seasons. 94 divided by 288 is .326 multiplied by 82 is 27. Simple math. Which teams have three wingers who have put pucks in the net at that pace? I’ll give you a head start: Dallas does. They have Robertson, Rantanen and Hintz. Who else does?
The word around in the summer was Zegras needs to cheat better. Sometimes wingers need to jump in and grab pucks to cement a faceoff win. Flyers don’t stand out at that.
Not including this season.
More accurate numbers would be the number of goals he has scored the last 3 years which is 75/ 232 – number of games he has played. That gives you .3232.
Then take the average number of games he has played over the 3 seasons which is 77.33.
77.33 * .3232= 25 goals per year.
Either way use whatever numbers you want. Love pace. Am I to assume Tippet is an elite level winger?
what 3 wingers do the flyers have that have averaged 27 goals (your number) a year over that time frame?
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You get better in faceoffs by taking them, no? Cement head tocchet does not see him as a center and will not play as such. That is pretty evident at least this season.
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Not including this season.
More accurate numbers would be the number of goals he has scored the last 3 years which is 75/ 232 – number of games he has played. That gives you .3232.
Then take the average number of games he has played over the 3 seasons which is 77.33.
77.33 * .3232= 25 goals per year.
Either way use whatever numbers you want. Love pace. Am I to assume Tippet is an elite level winger?
what 3 wingers do the flyers have that have averaged 27 goals (your number) a year over that time frame?
Why wouldn’t you include this season? Yes, let’s try to analyze a player’s current value by not including the season he’s currently having. That’s hilarious. Tippett is a top 4 winger for the overwhelming majority of teams in this league and he brings what the Flyers need more of which is size and goal scoring. The guys the Flyers need to move on from are the small guys who’ll never crack 18-20 goals in a season. With Martone over Brink, the Flyers will gain 40 pounds of muscle and not give up anything production wise in even his first year. Brick by brick. Hahaha!
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Why wouldn’t you include this season? Yes, let’s try to analyze a player’s current value by not including the season he’s currently having. That’s hilarious. Tippett is a top 4 winger for the overwhelming majority of teams in this league and he brings what the Flyers need more of which is size and goal scoring. The guys the Flyers need to move on from are the small guys who’ll never crack 18-20 goals in a season. With Martone over Brink, the Flyers will gain 30 pounds of muscle and not give up anything production wise in even his first year. Brick by brick. Hahaha!
Because the season isn’t over. Use data that is already known to be true having full seasons completed. Nah why use that.
Then a competent GM would pounce on that and get a haul back one would think no?
He Is not a core player and is someone I would move in a heartbeat seeing where the flyers are at as well as were they are heading. Though you think they are close to contention.
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Because the season isn’t over. Use data that is already known to be true having full seasons completed. Nah why use that.
Then a competent GM would pounce on that and get a haul back one would think no?
He Is not a core player and is someone I would move in a heartbeat seeing where the flyers are at as well as were they are heading. Though you think they are close to contention.
The season is 2/3 over plus I’m including all the games from the previous 3 seasons. Do you really think a “competent GM” doesn’t look at the current season in looking at players. That’s literally the most moronic thing you’ve ever claimed here.
I didn’t say Tippett or Konecny were untouchable, just that I’d better get a player who can fill their needs, #1/2 center or Top 4 Dman for either of them. Might sweeten the pot for the right guy. Don’t see any purpose in making a lateral wing-4-wing trade.
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With the Olympic break here, the Flyers sit in a familiar spot — stuck in the middle. Not bad enough to tank, not good enough to contend.
Three years into the Briere era, I still struggle to see a clear direction. The team lacks a true top-line center, the blue line still has no legitimate #1, and the rebuild feels more like a slow stall than a true reset.
Michkov remains the most important piece of the entire timeline, and how the organization handles his development could define the next decade of Flyers hockey.
I put together a full breakdown of where the roster, rebuild, and future stand coming out of the Olympic break:
Philadelphia Flyers: Too Good to Tank, Too Flawed to Contend
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