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  • #9844
    Bill Meltzer
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    #9848
    Bill Meltzer
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    #9933
    MBFlyerfan1
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    Out of these players who will realistically be available at 6, who does everyone prefer?

    Hagens
    Frondell
    O’Brien
    Martone
    McQueen
    Martin
    Desnoyers

    I say realistically because I have seen numerous drafts where any one of these players falls to six.

    I think if Hagens is there he needs to be the guy. You cant turn down that kind of skill.

    #9974
    Bill Meltzer
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    If Hagens makes it to six, he’s gotta be the pick. I don’t think Desnoyers makes it 6th. However, the more I think about where I think the Flyers may go with this, the more I think it may be O’Brien (who should be there at six). Has to fill out but a taller kid than the 5-foot-10 1/2 Hagens. Both are playmakers. To me, however, Hagens was the consensus 1st overall guy coming into this year and he shouldn’t have fallen THAT much. He’s still one hell of a prospect. So, if he’s there, I’d take him with no hesitation.

    #9976
    furio16
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    Would you take Hagans or Desnoyers Bill if that option is there?

    #10009
    MBFlyerfan1
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    I simply cant agree with the podcast and his view on Martin. Saying he will sacrifice the “fluff points” and drag his team to victory. Sure that kind of thing is great if you already have other players who can score. Martin is the kind of guy you add to put you over the top. The last bit of grit added to the mix, not the guy you pick at #6 when you need pure skill at center.

    #10013
    Trox88
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    I hope it will be Hagens, but I feel the pick will be O’Brien. Torts was all about forwards who could skate. Was that an organizational view or a Torts view? hagens is the clear choice, it would be awful to see him fall to BOS.

    #10078
    Bill Meltzer
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    There are only a couple of players in this draft that I think have even a 30% chance of becoming 80-plus point guys in the NHL. Misa is one. Hagen is the other.

    #10109
    Bob Nill
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    Skill is nice, but I will take a hardworking player with some size and skillall day, everyday.
    It appears to be the way the 2 time champions Panthers, also prefer.

    #10124
    MBFlyerfan1
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    Skill is nice, but I will take a hardworking player with some size and skill all day, everyday.
    It appears to be the way the 2 time champions Panthers, also prefer.

    Yeah. SKILL being the operative word here. The Flyers haven’t won anything in 50 years because they don’t prioritize skill over any other trait. Florida has size but they also have tons of skill.

    #10138
    yes its me 2050
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    Yeah. SKILL being the operative word here. The Flyers haven’t won anything in 50 years because they don’t prioritize skill over any other trait. Florida has size but they also have tons of skill.

    hope they take the safe 200 ft player as can never have enough of those.

    #10140
    Trox88
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    I would argue the Flyers have not won in 50 years because of lack of evaluation for goaltending. Clarke believed the team could carry a goaltender and was more dependent on the team in front of him. Cats have a stud in goal and dedicated the cap space to secure his services. Been a very long time since the Flyers have played a goaltender who was even a fringe Vezina candidate. The position present day looks bleak and with some hope way into the future. I hope there is more to the plan.

    I hope Briere does not bypass Hagens because of lack of size. If the organization has an abundance of small forwards, just trade the small forwards who are not as good as Hagens for other assets. I cannot fathom not drafting Hagens because the Flyers already have Brink, Barkey, Michkov, and TK in the organization. Draft prospects who have a realistic chance to be elite.

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    #10146
    yes its me 2050
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    I would argue the Flyers have not won in 50 years because of lack of evaluation for goaltending. Clarke believed the team could carry a goaltender and was more dependent on the team in front of him. Cats have a stud in goal and dedicated the cap space to secure his services. Been a very long time since the Flyers have played a goaltender who was even a fringe Vezina candidate. The position present day looks bleak and with some hope way into the future. I hope there is more to the plan.

    I hope Briere does not bypass Hagens because of lack of size. If the organization has an abundance of small forwards, just trade the small forwards who are not as good as Hagens for other assets. I cannot fathom not drafting Hagens because the Flyers already have Brink, Barkey, Michkov, and TK in the organization. Draft prospects who have a realistic chance to be elite.

    it isnt just one thing. it is cumulative. goalie a big part of it. Sadly when you look at who the flyers lost too, they were fn dynasties. Doesn’t excuse the loss mind you.

    Briere has loved Hagans for 2 years. Thinks he can be the #1 franchise center. Do not think that has changed. No can they get him? What’s mind boggling knowing he loves him so much they didn’t put themselves in the best position to draft him.

    I just do not trust the flyers drafting war room. After the #6 I think they are going to go for size size and more size with other picks. Even though they are years away. I want them to take risk to get high end talent not the safe will play in the nhl type.

    outside of MM and TK those other small players are bit parts who you should have problem moving on from at any time.

    I agree it does look bleak for the next 4-5 years. unless 100% luck falls their way.

    #10152
    Trox88
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    If the Flyers want to now copy FLA by getting significantly bigger, then why focus on speed earlier in the Briere era? The Panthers are at best an average skating speed team. Briere traded one of his best assets in the organization (Gauthier) for a small Dman. Re signed a small forward long term in TK. Only 1st round pick he has selected over 6’0 ft tall Bonk. I like O’Brien over Desnoyers, it is close. There is a gap for me with Hagens above those two.

    All that being written, it would be quite a moment if Briere goes with McQueen for the ultimate boom or bust pick.

    #10155
    VonZipper
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    If the Flyers want to now copy FLA by getting significantly bigger, then why focus on speed earlier in the Briere era? The Panthers are at best an average skating speed team. Briere traded one of his best assets in the organization (Gauthier) for a small Dman. Re signed a small forward long term in TK. Only 1st round pick he has selected over 6’0 ft tall Bonk. I like O’Brien over Desnoyers, it is close. There is a gap for me with Hagens above those two.

    All that being written, it would be quite a moment if Briere goes with McQueen for the ultimate boom or bust pick. — Trox88

    Simple answer… they Flyers have a long-standing habit of chasing Cups that have already been won. It’s the main reason why they’ve lacked identity for so long.

    While I get that every league is a copy-cat league, the Flyers seem to take it to extremes. We want to emulate the Blues. We need speedy guys. We need guys that can skate. We’re suddenly too small and need to get bigger. It’s hard to have a plan for success when what you want to be changes every year.

    A franchise that once set the trend now chases every trend, yet can’t figure out why success eludes them.

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