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Tavares will come back to the Leafs and be fine as a 2nd line centre. Especially at a considerably cheaper pricetag.
Tavares absolutely sucks and has flown under the radar for blame because of these persistent roomers he will take a “discount”.
That’s the new level of stupidity the Leafs bloodlust mob has reached. If a bad player who doesn’t help you win convinces you he took a “discount” he becomes a hero. Still a loser, but a hero.
Don’t score in 6 out of 7 games in Round 2? No problem because discount.
On the ice for the most even strength goals against on the team? No problem because discount.
On the wrong side of soon to be 35 and slow? No problem because discount and Leafs pajamas.
Tavares has not and will not be fine as a 2nd line center. At his absolute best, he didn’t help this team win. Now, as he approaches his worst years, he will be totally useless. The money that the Leafs “save” by bringing in Tavares will have to be spent just to counter balance the amount of goals scored against while he’s on the ice. And he doesn’t seem capable of being a positive possession player against a team like Florida in the playoffs anymore either. This means whatever cap space he does take up, as “discounted” as it is, he won’t earn that either.
To actually become a positive on the team, he’d literally have to enter Corey Perry territory of less than 2 million a year and just be off to the side until he’s needed on the PP or select offensive zone situations.
For all the screaming Leafs fans are doing about “change”, they certainly want very little of it to actually happen or be effective. Seems really familiar…
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More nonsense from the guy who doesnt know what communism is eh.
For the right price, JT can still be a 50pt 2nd line center or shift over to wing or the 3rd line center role.The ol’ Tavares doesnt help this win nonsense……it was his goal that got the leafs to the 2nd for the first time in decades.
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More nonsense from the guy who doesnt know what communism is eh. -fakechange
More fake change eh?
For the right price, JT can still be a 50pt 2nd line center or shift over to wing or the 3rd line center role.
Oh, 50 points? Wow. For sure we’ll win the Cup now…
3rd line? Yes, of course, genius plan to make the guy who can’t play defense play a shut down role.
The ol’ Tavares doesnt help this win nonsense……it was his goal that got the leafs to the 2nd for the first time in decades.
But ok.The ol’ Johnny Toronto Pajamas propaganda believers are a lost cause. He scored how many goals and points to win games vs Florida? Oh, right, none. He scored one OT series winner in 7 prime years so therefore sign him again in his wheelchair years. It’s like Shanahan never left.
Fake change.
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I’d bring him back on a 2 year deal at a cap hit of 5M.
Not to many C out there.
A lot players disappeared after game 4 vs. Florida.-
I’d bring him back on a 2 year deal at a cap hit of 5M.
Not to many C out there.
A lot players disappeared after game 4 vs. Florida. – DmntdAgree. The free agent market is thin and it would cost more assets to bring in a center via trade. If JT will sign cheap, then sign him, and have him be a C/W like Stamkos. Ideally, he is your slightly overpaid 3C and special teams guy and not an overwhelmed slow 2C who gets caved every game.
But yeah, JT wasn’t why the Leafs lost……he’s also part of why they didn’t win, but you can’t hang the loss on him alone.
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Agree. The free agent market is thin and it would cost more assets to bring in a center via trade. If JT will sign cheap, then sign him, and have him be a C/W like Stamkos. Ideally, he is your slightly overpaid 3C and special teams guy and not an overwhelmed slow 2C who gets caved every game.
But yeah, JT wasn’t why the Leafs lost……he’s also part of why they didn’t win, but you can’t hang the loss on him alone.
then why would he take a discount knowing the market is thin? out of the goodness of his heart? many teams will be calling his agent for his services.
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then why would he take a discount knowing the market is thin? out of the goodness of his heart? many teams will be calling his agent for his services.
~Yes its me 2050
Specifically because he does want to be here. It was reported that as long as the offer is in the ballpark they can work to get it to where it’s fair. If the Leafs come in at $1m or Tavares comes in at $8m, then they probably don’t get something done – but the general feeling was that something centered around a $4-5m AAV as a starting point would be good. People will talk him at $2m which is preposterous and some will talk about him at $7.5m – which is probably where the market would value him (from Stamkos setting the bar).
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But yeah, JT wasn’t why the Leafs lost……he’s also part of why they didn’t win, but you can’t hang the loss on him alone.
He wasn’t the only reason they lost to Florida but coupled with Rielly he was the single biggest contributor to suckage.
He was on the ice for the most even strength goals against among Leafs forwards. He did not score a point in 6 out of 7 games.
He did not deliver in his prime. He’s not worth even 5 million on the down side of his career.
If he wants to play in Toronto no matter what, he needs to play for 3 million or less. He’s not worth a penny more.
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tavares will be 3c behind poone jenner????
I wonder after all these years what Columbus would expect for him in return with only 1 year left on his deal. He missed most of the year injured last year but he would fit nicely with the Leafs on the short term. Long term, who knows what he would need to re-sign.
Jarnkrok, Robertson, Kampf, McMann, Rielly…these guys all can be dangled to make changes.
Rielly for Blueger and Myers.
Jarnkrok + draft picks for McBain.
Kampf, McMann and Robertson for Jenner.Jenner would have to play C if they bring back Tavares as a LW. I don’t think Jenner, by himself, would be able to carry the entire defensive load with Tavares on one wing and Nylander on the other but it would definitely be an improvement. However, I’d much prefer Reilly Smith over Tavares at LW. He’d be cheaper, a far better defensive player and has more playoff success. Can also play the PK and is from Mimico so he’s a hometown kid too. Except he’s an actual winner, unlike Tavares.
Knies | Matthews | Marner
Smith | Jenner | Nylander
Domi | McBain | B. Tanev
Laughton | Blueger | Lorentz
ComtoisOEL | Tanev
McCabe | Carlo
Dumoulin | MyersWoll | Stolarz
I see that type of team far more aggressive, bigger, defensively sound and overall an improvement.
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you are going to need to get some players to waive their n-mtc or nmc to which I do not see happening.
NTC and NMC are waived every single year. They always have. They always will. Including giant contracts like Karlsson if a 3rd party retains salary, if necessary, which helps some teams reach the new 70 million dollar cap floor without paying real dollars.
When a team decides, this player has to go away, the player is not going to dig their heels in and say “never”. They pick the teams they would accept to.
For example, Rielly. Am I suggesting we trade him to San Jose? No. But Vancouver or Seattle? He would accept. They are capable of making the playoffs and he’s originally from BC. That’s not a scenario where he would say no to.
Same goes for Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. These guys have limited NTC. The list of teams they can be sent to is longer than the ones they can’t.
Players accept trades, it’s just a matter of finding them a place they are okay with going to. It’s a process but not an impossible one.
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For example, Rielly. Am I suggesting we trade him to San Jose? No. But Vancouver or Seattle? He would accept. They are capable of making the playoffs and he’s originally from BC. That’s not a scenario where he would say no to. – UG
This is what gets me. For me, this is a huge assumption. Just because he’s from that area doesn’t mean he would want to play there. I get it, playing closer to were he grew up.
Marner did decline to waive his nmc. So players don’t always say yes.Same goes for Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. These guys have limited NTC. The list of teams they can be sent to is longer than the ones they can’t.
This is a no brainer as there are 21 teams they can trade them to. I’d keep Jarnkrok 2.1M for next year for a 2nd/3rd line guy is ok but if you get something better than he could be included in a bigger deal. Let’s say the Leafs do a sign and trade with Vegas Marner 11.5 x 8 nmc + Jarnkrok for Karlsson + Whitecloud. Not saying this will happen or anything like that
Players accept trades, it’s just a matter of finding them a place they are okay with going to. It’s a process but not an impossible one.
I concur
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This is what gets me. For me, this is a huge assumption. Just because he’s from that area doesn’t mean he would want to play there. I get it, playing closer to were he grew up.
Marner did decline to waive his nmc. So players don’t always say yes.I don’t think it’s that huge of an assumption. When a player has a career crisis, going back home can help them reset and bring comfort. If he has kids, his family can help raise them. Makes his life easier. Brings familiarity to his life. That’s why I also said Seattle, because if Vancouver doesn’t work, there’s another area that is also close that can bring similar benefits.
For Marner, it was the opposite scenario. He wants to stay close to home, not move far away from it. The Leafs were given an offer, they did their due diligence and asked Marner. They didn’t shop him out of town during the offseason. It’s a different scenario. Marner didn’t want to be a rental, didn’t want to go away from home and didn’t want to leave the team he felt he helped build. Rielly, being asked to waive, is a reset for him, not a last minute decision.
This is a no brainer as there are 21 teams they can trade them to. I’d keep Jarnkrok 2.1M for next year for a 2nd/3rd line guy is ok but if you get something better than he could be included in a bigger deal. Let’s say the Leafs do a sign and trade with Vegas Marner 11.5 x 8 nmc + Jarnkrok for Karlsson + Whitecloud. Not saying this will happen or anything like that
Jarnkrok is garbage in the playoffs. I’m sorry, but he has how many career playoff goals? 5 in 105 games? He is the wrong player for this team. He’s fine in Nashville or Columbus or any other team fighting for 8th place. But he’s not a playoff guy. He needs to go away and be replaced. I’d rather have two guys making 1 million each who throw 200 hits each rather than have Jarnkrok at 2+ AAV. If we have guys who won’t score, at least have monsters who hit.
Marner is not doing any sign and trades. He either re-signs or he leaves with his middle fingers up. Sign and trades happen in the NBA, not in the NHL.
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Leafs would’ve won if Stolarz didn’t get injured, and if the passenger wasn’t being a passenger.
Woll was more than fine. The Panthers would have blown Stolarz out of the net eventually. They knew all of his weaknesses having had taken shots on him all of last year. Stolarz was on the way down statistically anyway, his injury was a terrible event but he wouldn’t have won the series by himself. There were multiple games where the Leafs couldn’t score more than 1 goal. Unless Stolarz pitches literal shutouts or starts scoring goals, his absence wasn’t the reason they lost.
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Unholy_Goalie
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Ah, no, they don’t.Sorry bud but Dubois was an RFA, not a pending UFA.
Tkachuk did not do a sign and trade as a pending UFA either.
Huberdeau had over 100pts and was traded.
Tkachuk did a sign and trade…he had 1 year left as an RFA
Exactly what should occur with Marner….do right by the Leafs….allow them to get something back for him -
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Leafs would’ve won if Stolarz didn’t get injured, and if the passenger wasn’t being a passenger.Agreed. Bigger in net and better puck handling….leafs would have won the series.
Anyone who suggest the florida would have owned him because he was a former teammate is just an idiot. Stolarz is a much different goalie than last year. -
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I’m not convinced JT will stay. Like Stamkos, I think he wants to stay and is saying all of the right things, but ultimately it’s up to Leafs management to make a fair offer. If that fair offer feels insultingly low, then he tests the market. Despite his age and warts, somebody will throw $4-5m at him easily, and maybe as high as $7.5m like Stamkos.
I used to work in management at a big box retailer and I was recruited by a rival big box. They offered better pay and better benefits, so I jumped ship. Well, I found out pretty quick that the other place was a clusterfuck. The managers were all either incompetent, dicks, or both. Most of my coworkers were joyless and hated their jobs and it showed in their performance. I hated it. I regretted my decision because the pay bump was too small to compensate for the additional suck the job required. I left a year later.
If JT really loves Toronto, he’ll stay. We’ll see. I think it’s a coin flip.
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PDO Speedwagon
ParticipantI’m not convinced JT will stay. Like Stamkos, I think he wants to stay and is saying all of the right things, but ultimately it’s up to Leafs management to make a fair offer. If that fair offer feels insultingly low, then he tests the market. Despite his age and warts, somebody will throw $4-5m at him easily, and maybe as high as $7.5m like Stamkos.
I used to work in management at a big box retailer and I was recruited by a rival big box. They offered better pay and better benefits, so I jumped ship. Well, I found out pretty quick that the other place was a clusterfuck. The managers were all either incompetent, dicks, or both. Most of my coworkers were joyless and hated their jobs and it showed in their performance. I hated it. I regretted my decision because the pay bump was too small to compensate for the additional suck the job required. I left a year later.
If JT really loves Toronto, he’ll stay. We’ll see. I think it’s a coin flip.
I think he stays.. My guess based on his end of year statements they already have a framework in place.. Question is will greedy Mitch demand a sign and trade from the new team for the 8th year.
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Specifically because he does want to be here. It was reported that as long as the offer is in the ballpark they can work to get it to where it’s fair. If the Leafs come in at $1m or Tavares comes in at $8m, then they probably don’t get something done – but the general feeling was that something centered around a $4-5m AAV as a starting point would be good. People will talk him at $2m which is preposterous and some will talk about him at $7.5m – which is probably where the market would value him (from Stamkos setting the bar).
time will tell do not see him taking 4-5 million. will see how much the leafs value his play. Can easily see a team going 9/10 for 3 years. Know would he except that from a non contending team?
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Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Bennett Marchand
Lorentz Laughton Holmberg
-gravyfaceKnies @ 7×3 | Matthews | Marner @ 13.16×8
R. Smith @ 4.25×3 | Jenner @ 3.75×1 | Nylander
Domi | McBain @ 3.5×3 | B. Tanev @ 1.75×2 (or Corey Perry)
Laughton | Blueger @ 1.8×1 | Lorentz @ 1×1
Comtois @ 850 (or Pacioretty if he doesn’t retire)OEL | Tanev
McCabe | T. Myers
Burns @ 2×1* | Carlo
Benoit*(if he doesn’t retire, hometown guy because he’s from Barrie. Could be the ultimate utility player as both a 7th D and a 13th forward.)
There’s actually a long list of horrible options. Marner is by far the best of all the options and if your goal is to win a Cup, they must resign Marner.
Let’s go one by one through what would be top-six forwards and give you the reasons why the majority on this list are either garbage, not better or won’t sign with the Leafs.
For starters, Boeser is horrid. -25 player who deserves his -25. He was a 50 point player last year, only made the playoffs twice in his career. This guy is like a less athletic, Value Village Kessel.
Ehlers, not leaving Winnipeg, soft as baby shit, not a playoff performer, not a 100 point, Selke nominee, PKer. Most of his playoff runs ended with 0 goals. This guy is Value Village Nylander.
Tavares. Is. Garbage. 7 years of his prime, he can’t skate, he can’t defend and he didn’t score in 6 out of 7 games against the Panthers. This guy was the definition of bad DNA. Show him the door.
Duchene. Value Village Tavares. Horrid defensively, can’t score 5v5. Basically a PP weapon who can’t play in any other situation. Cheap but ineffective.
Nelson, very good size, good player but probably not leaving Colorado, has no reason to play in Toronto (from Minnesota) unless you massively overpay him. And he’s 33. Not going to be a “prime years” contract. Usually a 50 point player most of his career. 0 playoff goals in 7 games for Colorado this year. ZERO.
Bennett and Marchand are not leaving better weather, better taxes, better team, proven winner and less pressure to deal with the BS that is Toronto. They’d both be complete idiots to sign with the Leafs. Also, didn’t Leafs fans hate them 10 minutes ago? You really want to overpay these guys into their mid to late 30s after they got that much mileage? That’s like buying a Mercedes at a used car lot with 200K KM on it. Looks great, sounds great but get ready to pay the double what it’s worth just for an oil change.
Giroux, not leaving Ottawa, hasn’t been a 100 point player in 7 years. Basically another 50 point guy on the wrong side of 37. Hasn’t been a playoff performer since 2012.
Palmieri, off the market. Also, 34 anyway…
Drouin has 1 playoff goal in his last 20 playoff games and he had the benefit of playing with MacKinnon. If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll stay in Colorado and continue being a passenger over there.
Suter, is better than Malgin, I’ll give him that but still, 2 playoff goals in 13 career playoff games? Don’t see this guy moving the needle that much
Granlund, good player but 32, why would he leave all his Finnish buddies in Dallas after going so deep this year?
Benn is washed, from BC, no reason to come to the Leafs. Probably just stays in Dallas for 1 year, 1 million dollar deals.
Kuzmenko, one year wonder, completely unreliable.
Donato, from Boston, why would he don’t see why he wouldn’t go back to Chicago / Boston unless you overpaid him. 0 playoff goals in 19 playoff games.
Roslovic, from Ohio, don’t see why he’d leave Carolina or come to Toronto unless you overpaid him. 3 career playoff goals in 45 games. Already have enough Jarnkroks and Kampfs. Don’t need another.
Mangiapane, 5’10”, 14 goals, 28 points. This guy can’t replace Marner except if it’s in a police line-up for the height and weight. If he takes a super cheap contract, he’s worth a shot but probably not a legit top-six threat in the playoffs as his career playoff numbers are unimpressive. 7 playoff goals, 14 points in 37 games.
The only two top-six forwards you listed that make sense are Smith and Kane. And you don’t need to lose Marner to get them.
Smith is a two-way, Cup winner, solid LW who can score some goals in the playoffs. But he’s not a 100 point player. You replace Tavares with Smith, not Marner.
Same goes for Kane at 36-37 years old. 10 years ago, he could replace Marner, but he’s a one-way, injury prone player now. He hasn’t had a good playoff run since 2015. Literally a decade ago since he had a playoff run with more than just 1 or 2 goals. That’s a complimentary player, not a guy who you can expect to replace a 100 point, two-way player 27-35, much less win a Cup with. You sign Kane the same way the Oilers signed Perry; 1 million dollar, 1 year deal to occasionally play on the top line and on the PP. You add Perry to the mix, you don’t replace Draisaitl with him.
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