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  • #22579
    FlyerFrank
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    https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts

    Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!

    “The Flyers made the winning bid with $52M ($71.4M adjusted for cap inflation, and their costly new asset depreciated right out of the gate, with Danny dropping down to 72 PTS in 79 GP in year one; not exactly terrible, but a disturbing cost to benefit ratio nevertheless.”

    The guy who wrote this is an idiot. In the 08 playoffs alone, DB had 16 pts in 17 games and in all Flyers playoff games, he had 72 pts in 68 games.

    #22577
    yes its me 2050
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    do you consider tippet a core player?

    I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.

    didnt think it was a difficult question. yes or no?

    #22575
    FlyerFrank
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    do you consider tippet a core player?

    I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.

    #22567
    Flyers_01
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    Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.

    Holmgren was the GM for the first few years of the salary cap era. He absolutely did not understand the salary cap and only retired after he traded away every asset and hamstrung the Flyers financially for the next 5 years but yea, they did win a few rounds pretending the salary cap didn’t exist. He was the college kid throwing a party at his parents house but all everyone remembers is the party and not the mess left behind.

    https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts

    Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!

    #22562
    yes its me 2050
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    I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.

    Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.

    So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.

    Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.

    do you consider tippet a core player?

    #22557
    FlyerFrank
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    I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.

    Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.

    So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.

    Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.

    #22549
    Flyers_01
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    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.

    I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.

    Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.

    So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.

    #22541
    FlyerFrank
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    perennial 40 goal scorer

    He needs a center. Could be Zegras. I’d like to see them use Cates on wing but I can see Tippett as a huge upgrade over Brink on a line with Cates and Foerster.

    #22537
    yes its me 2050
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    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.

    perennial 40 goal scorer

    #22533
    FlyerFrank
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    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.

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