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  • #22518
    Flyers_01
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    Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.

    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    #22516
    FlyerFrank
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    How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.

    Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.

    #22507
    yes its me 2050
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    who is the flyers frank nazar?

    #22043
    Bill Meltzer
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    #22024
    yes its me 2050
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    Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.

    With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.

    How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.

    I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.

    Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.

    How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.

    Having 5 million extra in cap space is > having Dvorak IMO. Can do many things with that money in season. I do not think the flyers are awful, they are awful. Makes perfect sense if you think forward.

    #21953
    FlyerFrank
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    Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.

    With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.

    How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.

    I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.

    Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.

    #21935
    yes its me 2050
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    Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?

    what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.

    Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.

    Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.

    Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.

    With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.

    How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.

    I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.

    #21904
    FlyerFrank
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    Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?

    what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.

    Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.

    Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.

    #21897
    VonZipper
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    Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?

    While I see and understand your line of thinking regarding Trevor Zegras, when was the last time a reclamation project put it all together in Philly? If he plays most of the season, I’m guessing he’ll match Frost’s production numbers. Bigger question… how big of a liability will he be in his own end? We all know the Flyers philosophy is a 200 foot game, and if he can’t provide that, how long will the leash be?

    And since you brought up the $7M in dead cap space coming back, what will that get the Flyers? Keeping in mind you’ll need to overpay to get a good player to come to a non-playoff team, and that a shade over $7M was only able to get Kevin Hayes a few years back, how much can the Flyers realistically improve via the FA market? The old Ed Snider way of spending your way to contention is no longer a feasible plan, and that many in the organization still think that way is a big reason why many of us are apathetic towards this team.

    #21889
    yes its me 2050
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    Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.

    Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.

    Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.

    Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?

    Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?

    what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.

    Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.

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