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as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Bottom line was they were bad last year but it’s not last year anymore. The last several years, the Flyers haven’t had enough of a surplus to package one of their top prospects for a “needle mover” and they were clearly too bad to make such a deal anyway. Sbisa in the package that got them Pronger was the last time off the top of my head. It’s been a rebuild and they still have holes on the NHL roster. When they added Torts as coach, that was a sign to me to check out on following them at all. It was only last year I started looking again and didn’t like most of what I saw but saw enough I did like and liked their off season. Hopefully, they entertain this year.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Bonk will help to what extent? 2nd pair? 3rd pair? Where they are at unless that top 4 dman can be part of the future in 3/4/5 years, signing one would be nothing but spinning their wheels. You should be using free agency to get you over the hump so to speak or address a small area. Trading for one means giving to get. Flyers may not want to give as they seem to love/overvalue their players.
They have nothing in the system who projects to be a top 4 guy outside of Bonk. That is a total disgrace. I have no faith in them developing anyone to play above their pay grade. What is the plan to address getting a top pair and another 2nd pair dman?
Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
Bonk will help there down the road. They can add a plug and play Dman via trade or UFA. Now do you see why I was banging the drum for them to sign a Top 4 Dman via UFA? They’ll start with what they’ve got and we’ll see how it goes. JD is a -50 in 94 games as a Flyer. Yes, +/- can be a limited stat, but in his case it’s telling. No one else is close on the Flyers. Big advantage here: You only need 6-7 Dmen and I would say four of those slots are well filled when Risto is healthy.
Bonk will help to what extent? 2nd pair? 3rd pair? Where they are at unless that top 4 dman can be part of the future in 3/4/5 years, signing one would be nothing but spinning their wheels. You should be using free agency to get you over the hump so to speak or address a small area. Trading for one means giving to get. Flyers may not want to give as they seem to love/overvalue their players.
They have nothing in the system who projects to be a top 4 guy outside of Bonk. That is a total disgrace. I have no faith in them developing anyone to play above their pay grade. What is the plan to address getting a top pair and another 2nd pair dman?
D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
Bonk will help there down the road. They can add a plug and play Dman via trade or UFA. Now do you see why I was banging the drum for them to sign a Top 4 Dman via UFA? They’ll start with what they’ve got and we’ll see how it goes. JD is a -50 in 94 games as a Flyer. Yes, +/- can be a limited stat, but in his case it’s telling. No one else is close on the Flyers. Big advantage here: You only need 6-7 Dmen and I would say four of those slots are well filled when Risto is healthy.
