Game 7 – Will these Leafs be heros or zeros?

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  • #7582
    PrinceLH
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    Florida always revamps their team, every year. Leafs ended up with Stolarz, OEL and Lorentz from Florida, last year. It’s cap management and they’re good at it. Either Bennett or Marchand won’t be back next year. Probably will let go Ekblad too. Boston went off their cliff this year, and expect Tampa to do the same, next year. Florida may also take a step back to retool. Leafs need to keep moving up the ladder and try to get first in the division again this year. Rielly, Marner, Robertson, Kampf, McMann and Holberg out should get the salary cap fixed and free agents taking their place in the lineup. Reaves on the cruise ship to Robidas Island, to enjoy the sunset of his hockey career.

    #7581
    skalapy
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    if you’re having trouble staying signed in with safari use Ghostery????

    ek must have an ace in the hole with big interwebs????

    whomsoever hasn’t been banished from our rightful hb home spread the word ????????

    #7579
    dmnted
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    I just can’t picture Bennett or Marchand signing with the Leafs. Especially Bennett, why would he leave Florida?!? Their window is WIDE open, and they’re set up to be a problem for at least next year as well.
    ~WHIPPER

    Florida cap space.
    Bennett resigns the same contract as Verhaeghe, 7M cap hit for 8 yrs.
    Ekblad going want 8.5M cap hit on an 8 year contract.
    they got just over 18M in cap space. and those two contracts gobble it up pretty darn quick.
    someone on the current Panther roster is not going to be back with the team.

    #7573
    monkeypunk
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    Tampa Bay and Carolina do much better at the draft table than the Leafs. Winnipeg, not so much. But it usually shows up on the ice which is why Tampa Bay has won Cups and Carolina goes deep often.
    ~UG

    With all due respect to the Carolina Hurricanes, and bearing mind that the Leafs failures are evident – but also tell the tale of their path – the Eastern team in the Stanley Cup final has been from the Atlantic Division every year since 2019. The Atlantic is a gauntlet – Boston, then Tampa and now Florida have all been powerhouses. Would Jim Nill have managed the Leafs into surpassing any of them? I don’t know. A lot of the Stars players did not have an answer for both the Oilers speed and their physicality. Wyatt Johnson had an exceptionally awful playoff. Did you know that the -16 he and Duchene both had is the worst playoff +/- since they started tracking it (Paul Reinhart had a -16 to tie this auspicious mark in 1982-83).

    #7570
    PDO Speedwagon
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    Gourde
    6yrs/14m – Sirsie

    I’m actually OK with this, despite the batshit term. The caphit is only $2.3m, which is very fair for a quality bottom six center.

    Having said that, it’s all but certain that the last couple years of that contract will be on Robidas Island. The Lightning are very good at gaming at the LTIR system, as we all know.

    Leafs need a bottom six center like Gourde and he’s off the board now.

    #7568
    Unholy_Goalie
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    Any homegrown talent we’ve run out of town, so I don’t know what to tell you.

    But putting all your eggs in one basket and that basket falling off the counter and shattering in a pile of goop and shell fragments — which can describe our Core 4 playoff performance for like 8 years — is never going to work.

    Bye-bye Marndawg, hello weaponized cap space. Bennett, Marchand, let’s go. -gravy

    Running the wrong guys out of town is exactly what Leafs fans are well known for. Marner will call Kadri after he wins a Cup on his new team and they’ll laugh about it together.

    I just can’t picture Bennett or Marchand signing with the Leafs. Especially Bennett, why would he leave Florida?!? Their window is WIDE open, and they’re set up to be a problem for at least next year as well. -whip

    There’s only one thing the Leafs can offer Bennett and Marchand; overpayment. The Leafs did it with Tavares, they may do it again, but it won’t work. That’s pretty much for sure because Bennett and Marchand would be world class morons to leave Florida to Toronto.

    Florida will be good until Bob falls apart, which at 37, could start next year. Or soon after.

    #7567
    Unholy_Goalie
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    Noting that Jim Nill has been the GM of Dallas for 12 years and they have not only won nothing, they have missed the playoffs in 4 of those years. I like Dallas – I think they are an excellent hockey team.

    They also haven’t ever drafted 1st overall. Highest pick (and only in the top 10 in the past 12 years) was Miro Heiskanen.

    They have gone further than the Leafs, more often than the Leafs. Missing the playoffs and 1st round exists aren’t all that different.

    I see that as a work in progress that has Cup winning potential for at least the next 5 years. But, McDavid…

    So, I can only imagine how badly destroyed the Leafs would be if McDavid was in the way every single year.

    I also like the teams and style of Tampa, Carolina and Winnipeg – and just like the Leafs, none are playing.

    Tampa Bay and Carolina do much better at the draft table than the Leafs. Winnipeg, not so much. But it usually shows up on the ice which is why Tampa Bay has won Cups and Carolina goes deep often.

    Typically Nill has held onto his picks and he’s drafted well – although his second round picks have worked out better than a lot of his first round picks; you have Robertson, Hintz and I guess Stankoven (I’m not a huge fan of his, but he was used in the Rantanen acquisition, so hard to argue he had value) – but then you had higher picks like Honka, Gurianov, Tufte, Dellandrea and so on that really – for where they were picked – should have hit.

    Maybe if he’d landed on those Dallas would’ve won a cup by now, instead of being curb stomped by Edmonton in 5.

    I really don’t see any names on the draft years of Honka, Gurianov, Tufte and Dellandrea that would be able to overcome McDavid. Except maybe Pasta in Honka’s year. But even the Leafs would be better off with Pasta than Nylander.

    If Nill had Matthews, Marner and Nylander as his base and then added his late 1st / 2nd round picks as depth, the Leafs would be much better off than in the world we currently live in where they throw 1st round picks out for 4th line rentals. I don’t see him making the Tavares mistake either. And he did draft Oettinger (in the 1st round) which is miles ahead of what the Leafs had in net before this past season. Leafs took Liljegren in 2017.

    There’s also Wyatt Johnston, 23rd overall. Mavrik Bourque, 30th overall. Thomas Harley, 18th overall. All recent contributors while the Leafs have almost nothing to show for 10 years of 1st round picks.

    And when Nill finally does trade a guy like Stankoven and 1st round picks, he lands a mega catch like Rantanen.

    We could be looking at something like this instead of what we have…

    J. Robertson | Matthews | Marner
    Johnston | Hintz | Nylander

    Harley | Heiskanen

    Oettinger

    I know who I’d rather have as our GM looking at that alternative…that’s for sure…

    #7564
    WHIPPER
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    Bye-bye Marndawg, hello weaponized cap space. Bennett, Marchand, let’s go.
    ~gravyface

    I just can’t picture Bennett or Marchand signing with the Leafs. Especially Bennett, why would he leave Florida?!? Their window is WIDE open, and they’re set up to be a problem for at least next year as well.

    #7562
    gravyface
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    Incorrect.

    This is exactly what happens when the only impact players the franchise is capable of drafting is lottery picks.

    If this Leafs team was constructed by Jim Nill, it would have all the superstar players along with drafted, developed depth players.

    Any homegrown talent we’ve run out of town, so I don’t know what to tell you.

    But putting all your eggs in one basket and that basket falling off the counter and shattering in a pile of goop and shell fragments — which can describe our Core 4 playoff performance for like 8 years — is never going to work.

    Bye-bye Marndawg, hello weaponized cap space. Bennett, Marchand, let’s go.

    #7561
    monkeypunk
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    Incorrect.

    This is exactly what happens when the only impact players the franchise is capable of drafting is lottery picks.

    If this Leafs team was constructed by Jim Nill, it would have all the superstar players along with drafted, developed depth players.
    ~Unholy_Goalie

    Noting that Jim Nill has been the GM of Dallas for 12 years and they have not only won nothing, they have missed the playoffs in 4 of those years. I like Dallas – I think they are an excellent hockey team.

    I also like the teams and style of Tampa, Carolina and Winnipeg – and just like the Leafs, none are playing.

    Typically Nill has held onto his picks and he’s drafted well – although his second round picks have worked out better than a lot of his first round picks; you have Robertson, Hintz and I guess Stankoven (I’m not a huge fan of his, but he was used in the Rantanen acquisition, so hard to argue he had value) – but then you had higher picks like Honka, Gurianov, Tufte, Dellandrea and so on that really – for where they were picked – should have hit.

    Maybe if he’d landed on those Dallas would’ve won a cup by now, instead of being curb stomped by Edmonton in 5.

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