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There seems to be a consensus that Morgan Rielly is the DNA that needs to be moved. Treliving needs to look at a West Coast team, cut a deal, then present the trade proposal to Rielly to drop his no movement clause. Vancouver seems logical, since it’s home and he might consider it. Maybe a second rounder coming back and the rights to Brock Boeser. Leafs can offer an 8 year for Boeser if he chooses to sign here.
The entire hockey world says Marner is walking, for free.
Organizational failure of epic proportions. Management disaster.
Tree is part of that. Yes he only had a few weeks to make a tough decision on the core. But he ultimately walked the team to where they are now. No one has ever had the stones to make a tough decision in this era. Now? Best of luck to Tree and the management. They’re going to need it. I’m not super optimistic Tree can make chicken salad out of this. He got completely schooled at the deadline. Look at what Florida did, and what he did. His record does not give me a ton of be-leaf.
Tre gets a pass for me.. Two weeks on the job and likely a mandate from Shanny when he was hired that he could not trade the core.. I think that is part of the reason Dufus was gone.. Dufus finally realized what a colossal mess he made and wanted to fix it by trading Marner.
The entire hockey world says Marner is walking, for free.
Organizational failure of epic proportions. Management disaster.
Tree is part of that. Yes he only had a few weeks to make a tough decision on the core. But he ultimately walked the team to where they are now. No one has ever had the stones to make a tough decision in this era. Now? Best of luck to Tree and the management. They’re going to need it. I’m not super optimistic Tree can make chicken salad out of this. He got completely schooled at the deadline. Look at what Florida did, and what he did. His record does not give me a ton of be-leaf.
Forget Burns, go for Aaron Ekblad. Weaken your divisional opponent and upgrade at RD. Rielly is the fly in the butter dish. He really needs to be gone.
I think pretty much everybody agrees, Rielly has to go. I’d be fine with Tyler Myers and Teddy Blueger from Vancouver for Rielly. I think it makes sense for both sides. Would also accept Oleksiak + either John Hayden or Tye Kartye from Seattle.
Ekblad scored 3 goals and 33 points. Burns had 6 goals and 29 points.
A) Ekblad would be stupid to leave the Panthers. Bennett, Ekblad, Marchand; they’d stay exactly where they are and run it back over and over again until it doesn’t work anymore if they knew what was good for them. Why wouldn’t they? The only reason they wouldn’t is to be grossly overpaid. And that’s what it would take to get any one of them to join the Leafs. And what can the Leafs absolutely not afford to do? Overpay guys enough to make them jump ship…like the mistake we made with Tavares…and it didn’t work when we did it with previous UFAs who were 30+ either.
B) Burns could potentially give the Leafs a depth bargain being able to play as a RHD and as a RW if required. He’s 40, he’s from Barrie and never won a Cup. Maybe he does the old “last stop in Toronto before I retire” tour. In terms of value, I’d take that over signing a guy to a 7 year, 9-10 million dollar deal who has a long history of concussions.
I’d even take Burns for as high as 2-3 million if it meant he plays the PP and if you traded Rielly to Seattle for Oleksiak who is a LHD. So, alternatively, you could have…
OEL / Tanev
Oleksiak / Burns
McCabe / Carlo
BenoitThat’s 3 pairs of LD/RD that could each easily play 20 minutes each. Evenly share the load situationally. Would be a dream come true for Berube defensively.
C) I’m fully aware Burns could easily get one last, bigger money deal somewhere else. But if he’s one of those guys who grew up wanting to play for the Leafs, this is an excellent opportunity to get a “Corey Perry” type bargain with way less risk involved. If you overpay Ekblad for 3 goals and 33 points, imagine how that contract looks in the future. We’d have another Rielly situation all over again.
I don’t see the cap value in overpaying long term to sign Ekblad at soon to be 30-37, even if he did want to leave a proven winner, fantastic weather, lower taxes and zero pressure.
OEL | Tanev
McCabe | T. Myers
Dumoulin | Carlo
Burns (if he doesn’t retire, maybe a 1 year deal if he’s a hometown guy because he’s from Barrie)Forget Burns, go for Aaron Ekblad. Weaken your divisional opponent and upgrade at RD. Rielly is the fly in the butter dish. He really needs to be gone.
The only way out is Marner resigned under $13M, Nylander traded. Rielly moved. That way the assets stay in line and the return for Nylander and Rielly are other NHL players and picks. Another top 4 RHD so OEL can play his natural Left side. Tavares to the 3rd line on the cheap and another centre with tenacity on line 2. Toews on PTO?. McMann and Robertson need a new home. Bye to Jarnkrok, Kampf, Reaves & Holmberg. We have 5 good Defensemen and 2 Good Goaltenders. A very good top line. Work it out and remake this roster with grit and hustle. -Prince
Just like anything else, it’s not the “only” way out to trade Nylander. Yes, they’re better off keeping Marner but that doesn’t mean it comes at the cost of Nylander.
Tavares is garbage on any line. His offense does not help you win more playoff games than his defense loses. He can not play a 3rd line, which should be designed to shutdown the opponents.
This is ideal scenario. I am definitely prefer to have Marner over Nylander, but since they have no assets for trades, they need money, as match as possible,
to bring decent pieces to fill the holes in the roster. -alex.TMLI wouldn’t call that the ideal scenario. The Leafs currently have 3 elite offensive weapons that are usually among the league leaders in goals, assists and points. They need to keep those 3 players.
What they need is to give those players more help at the cost of getting rid of the older, shittier players who don’t help enough.
That means Tavares, Rielly, Kampf, Jarnkrok, McMann, Robertson…these are the players that need to go away.
The players that need to come in should be complimentary. Knies, compliments Matthews and Marner well. That line was equal to the Barkov line. We did not lose because of Marner, Matthews and Knies. In fact, those 3 guys scored the GWGs in the 3 games they won against the Panthers. If the goal is to beat the Panthers, why the fuck would anybody even dream of getting rid of the guys who were directly responsible for winning those games? It’s a fools logic to blame a player for not winning even more games than they did when there are 10 other guys who contributed nothing at all.
Nylander’s line, however, sucked. Nylander can’t play defense. At all. But neither can Tavares or McMann. This is where you keep the guy with 45 goals and give him a two-way 2nd line center and a hardnosed LW to balance out Nylander’s weaknesses. In that scenario, you win the match-ups instead of hoping you win the offensive battle of a 6-5 game.
When the Leafs first signed Tavares, it made the most sense to trade Nylander. 7 years later, it now makes more sense to get rid of Tavares. It’s just the nature of how players age. The Leafs can afford to have one defensively irresponsible player like Nylander but they can’t afford to have another in Tavares too, no matter how “discounted” he may seem.
Same goes for Rielly. The Leafs need a situationally offensive D, especially for the PP. But they can’t have Rielly at 7.5, who doesn’t play the PP at all and is a nightmare defensively. Would rather have two guys at 4 AAV each, one LHD and one RHD. One for the PP and the other for the PK.
Knies | Matthews | Marner
R. Smith | Jenner | Nylander
Domi | McBain | B. Tanev
Laughton | Blueger | Lorentz
Comtois (or Pacioretty if he doesn’t retire)OEL | Tanev
McCabe | T. Myers
Dumoulin | Carlo
Burns (if he doesn’t retire, maybe a 1 year deal if he’s a hometown guy because he’s from Barrie)Woll | Stolarz
That’s the more ideal scenario.
The only way out is Marner resigned under $13M, Nylander traded. Rielly moved. That way the assets stay in line and the return for Nylander and Rielly are other NHL players and picks. Another top 4 RHD so OEL can play his natural Left side. Tavares to the 3rd line on the cheap and another centre with tenacity on line 2. Toews on PTO?. McMann and Robertson need a new home. Bye to Jarnkrok, Kampf, Reaves & Holmberg. We have 5 good Defensemen and 2 Good Goaltenders. A very good top line. Work it out and remake this roster with grit and hustle.~ PrinceHL
Marner is gone
Nylander has a NMC and is not going anywhere
Rielly is going nowhere(according to Lebrun I think)
McMann – If you get rid of him you will be looking for more goals from teh bottom 6.. He is fine on the 3rd line netting 20-25 goal
Robertson – Good luck on your travels
Jarncock – Don’t let the door hit you
Kampf- Don’t let the door hit you
Reaves- Don’t let the door hit you
Holmberg- I would let him stick around.. If can be a 4th line center/winger.. Cheap replacement for Kampf
Lorentz – I am good to have him back on a cheap contractLeafs need to assess the farm and figure out which guys are not in the long term plans and use the assets before they lose value..Niemela, Kokeonen, Kressler, Tverberg come to mind, they are not grade A prospects but they are on the smaller size and don’t fit the Leafs direction. I would also entertain a trade of Cowan if the package coming back is exceptional.
Package them with some of the under contract veterans to bring in pieces
I think the Leafs D will look exactly the same as last year with Myers as the 7th guy.
If Marner helps them out and demands a sign and trade from the team he signs with we can maybe hope for a good forward prospect..
The only way out is Marner resigned under $13M, Nylander traded. Rielly moved. That way the assets stay in line and the return for Nylander and Rielly are other NHL players and picks. Another top 4 RHD so OEL can play his natural Left side. Tavares to the 3rd line on the cheap and another centre with tenacity on line 2. Toews on PTO?. McMann and Robertson need a new home. Bye to Jarnkrok, Kampf, Reaves & Holmberg. We have 5 good Defensemen and 2 Good Goaltenders. A very good top line. Work it out and remake this roster with grit and hustle.~ PrinceHL
This is ideal scenario. I am definitely prefer to have Marner over Nylander, but since they have no assets for trades, they need money, as match as possible,
to bring decent pieces to fill the holes in the roster.The only way out is Marner resigned under $13M, Nylander traded. Rielly moved. That way the assets stay in line and the return for Nylander and Rielly are other NHL players and picks. Another top 4 RHD so OEL can play his natural Left side. Tavares to the 3rd line on the cheap and another centre with tenacity on line 2. Toews on PTO?. McMann and Robertson need a new home. Bye to Jarnkrok, Kampf, Reaves & Holmberg. We have 5 good Defensemen and 2 Good Goaltenders. A very good top line. Work it out and remake this roster with grit and hustle.
Totally off subject. Just got done doing a fresh install of a new linux operating system (distro). Went smoother than I expected. Switched over from Ubuntu to BunsenLabs. The speed is stunning after years of using heavier OS’es like Windows and Ubuntu. Start up and shut down is instant. No lag for anything. Applications open and close instantly.~ PDO
I am linux person, running linux desktop for over than 20 years, currently on 2 Desktops with Archlinux on both.
I like idea of minimal installation, some tiling windows manager and only apps I am using, nothing else.
It is easier for me probably as I am not a gamer.
And yes, go Oilers.
