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Those who like Marner and want him to stay are probably in line for disappointment. My gut tells me that he will test free agency and there is a team(s) willing to back up the bank truck for him.
Like Fiddy said above – letting Marner walk is not the mistake, it is the culmination of a decade-long mistake.
I think Tree should do everything in his power to squeeze some assets from this situation. Sign and trade if possible. If not, learn from the mistake of losing an elite (but soft) player for nothing. Epic fail.
Paying Marner $14m – also an epic fail.
This is a no win situation for the Leafs. There is no Marner outcome that will make all sides happy at this point.
I blame ownership and management. The rot has spread upwards and needs to be excised. Shanny should be next.
After shooting Shanny into the Sun, this teams needs a complete retool. I’d keep maybe 5 current players on this roster. The rest can fuck right off.
Marner could re-sign with the Leafs. If they walk from him, I hope there is a clear direction and plan.
But they Leafs need to rebuild the bottom 6, the Panthers crushed them. Floridas top 3 scorers werent a huge factor. head to head against the LEafs top lines. But the bottom 6 couldnt keep up.
If that means spreading Marners money around thats fine also
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Some people here cannot accept that Marner was offered (as per Dregger) 13.5 x 8 and turned it down,, It was after that Tre approached him about waiving his NMC. He clearly does not want to be hear for is looking to be the highest paid player in the league. Good for him.. Do it someplace else.Marner will be gone by his own choice and that is fine.. The reasoning that they cannot win without Marner is flawed. Where is Florida’s MM? Where is Carolina’s MM?
Seems people say that the Leaf’s can’t win without him but they have not won with him and other teams are winning without him.
Bring JT back if it is a short team friendly deal. Mathews and Nylander are going nowhere unless they want to.
As for Peterson.. He could not handle the pressure in Vancouver in the regular season.. Toronto would crush him.,
This.
Also, remember when people were saying the canes are going nowhere due to the Rant debacle….well they seem to be doing fine.
Losing marner will be a big hit during the reg season for sure and for the first 4 games of any series….but the leafs havent won with this trio…in fact they havent even come close. They melt down in big games.
Marner isnt worth 13.5m…heck neither is matthews…but we’re stuck with matthews.
If marner takes $11.5…fine…but he wont. His dad is too greedy
If JT will take $5m…great sign him, if he wants more. Walk him.
Trade Morgan, his money can be better spent.
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Marner is walking. The Leafs no longer have any say in the matter.The mistakes with the management of this core have been ongoing for nine years.
Marner walking July 1 is not the “mistake” – it’s the cherry on top of an ongoing decade long organizational failure.
I honestly think Dubas really screwed this team with the contracts of MArner and Matthews along with his trying to reinvent the NHL. Huge failure. That and the core 3 never gelled as one team, they seem to always trying to be outdoing the other….never seem to fight for eachother.
Poor tre only a week when he started before Marner’s no move kicked in. No time to do a proper assessment, but that was the time to trade marner.
Marner is walking. The Leafs no longer have any say in the matter.
The mistakes with the management of this core have been ongoing for nine years.
Marner walking July 1 is not the “mistake” – it’s the cherry on top of an ongoing decade long organizational failure. -Fifty
Best post I have read in a while.
This team does not work, due to the imbalance of the payroll. You can’t have two right wingers making over $11M each, on long term deals. Matthews is also slightly overpaid, but a year ago, he scored 69 goals. Who’s been even close to this in over 25 years. Also being a centre, he’s worth more than a winger. Tavares is almost spent as an elite player. Yes, he had a good year, but it was a contract year. Is he really still a number 2 centre? His defensive game isn’t stellar. He does win faceoffs, but wouldn’t he be better slotted at 3C? The answer probably would be yes, but then who do we get for a #2? Many questions to be answered this summer. Leaf cannot go forward with both Marner and Nylander at this price point. Leafs are still a good hockey club, but adjustments need to be made.
Some people here cannot accept that Marner was offered (as per Dregger) 13.5 x 8 and turned it down,, It was after that Tre approached him about waiving his NMC. He clearly does not want to be hear for is looking to be the highest paid player in the league. Good for him.. Do it someplace else.
Marner will be gone by his own choice and that is fine.. The reasoning that they cannot win without Marner is flawed. Where is Florida’s MM? Where is Carolina’s MM?
Seems people say that the Leaf’s can’t win without him but they have not won with him and other teams are winning without him.
Bring JT back if it is a short team friendly deal. Mathews and Nylander are going nowhere unless they want to.
As for Peterson.. He could not handle the pressure in Vancouver in the regular season.. Toronto would crush him.,
Marner is walking. The Leafs no longer have any say in the matter.
The mistakes with the management of this core have been ongoing for nine years.
Marner walking July 1 is not the “mistake” – it’s the cherry on top of an ongoing decade long organizational failure.
Read this today – hard to argue with this:
You cant argue that Marner wasn’t successful in the playoffs; he had 13 points in 13 games (2G, 11A) but it was his lack of production in Games 5 and 7 that really made fans furious.
Zero points, only three shots, a minus-4 rating. He had only four points the entire series, and did most of his heavy lifting against Ottawa.It’s actually extremely easy to argue it.
Nylander, Tavares and Matthews did fucking nothing in Game 5 and 7.
Guess what? Tavares is older, slower and a bigger defensive liability. On the ice for the most EVGA than any other forward.
Rielly, another “core” player that was a legit pylon for most of the series and has been a common factor in the Leafs inability to succeed in the playoffs.
It’s understandable that fans want changes, they’re simply too stupid to realize which changes will actually work.
Marner is gone – the crying and proclaiming they can’t let him go or they are doomed if he goes is just drama and untrue.
Wrong, it’s factual. Name me the team that drops it’s #1 point producer for nothing in return and does better. Kucherov, the Art Ross winner, has had 0 goals in 10 playoff games vs. the Panthers the past 2 years. Should Tampa Bay be dumping Kucherov so they can sign lesser players to replace him? Your thoughts lack logic.
Name the “Mitch Marner” type of player on any of the remaining teams for me? If you can name one go ahead and tell me what is different between them and Marner. I think we all know the differences and it’s why he is gone – the Leafs have too much rope and / soft as shit talent so he’s the odd man out being the UFA.
Thachuk had 0 goals in the entire series vs. the Leafs.
The whataboutism is irrelevant and deflecting.
You literally just used a “whataboutism” by trying to say there are no Marners left in the playoffs which is idiotic.
Yes the rest of the core was shit last 2/3 games (as usual), Marner and JT are the only guys who can be moved / let walk without them having to agree to it.
So Tavares is gone because at least Marner had a GWG and helped Matthews win Game 6. Again, typical Marner Derangement Syndrome. If he does something positive, it doesn’t count. If the team doesn’t win, everybody else sucks but Marner must suck more.
They can’t afford to keep Marner if he wants more than what Willy makes. That’s the facts, you don’t have to like them but you do have to accept them.
They can absolutely afford to keep Marner, they just have to dump the actually worthless players. If Marner is looking for that increase, you can literally get it from Kampf and Reaves who did not do a damn thing for this team except eat 3 AAV.
Marner is gone – as a start at least it’s a forgone conclusion. He knows it, he essentially said it on his willing at the end of the game having a pity party and in his post game presser.
If Marner is gone, the Leafs will have done what they always love to do; throw their home town boys under the bus and watch them win a Cup somewhere else. Then wonder why it’s been 58 years and counting…
Read this today – hard to argue with this:
You cant argue that Marner wasn’t successful in the playoffs; he had 13 points in 13 games (2G, 11A) but it was his lack of production in Games 5 and 7 that really made fans furious.
Zero points, only three shots, a minus-4 rating. He had only four points the entire series, and did most of his heavy lifting against Ottawa.Marner is gone – the crying and proclaiming they can’t let him go or they are doomed if he goes is just drama and untrue.
Name the “Mitch Marner” type of player on any of the remaining teams for me? If you can name one go ahead and tell me what is different between them and Marner. I think we all know the differences and it’s why he is gone – the Leafs have too much rope and / soft as shit talent so he’s the odd man out being the UFA.
The whataboutism is irrelevant and deflecting.
Yes the rest of the core was shit last 2/3 games (as usual), Marner and JT are the only guys who can be moved / let walk without them having to agree to it.
They can’t afford to keep Marner if he wants more than what Willy makes. That’s the facts, you don’t have to like them but you do have to accept them.
Marner is gone – as a start at least it’s a forgone conclusion. He knows it, he essentially said it on his willing at the end of the game having a pity party and in his post game presser.
