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Bo and Bassit have both had terrible seasons on losing teams. looks like they suddenly forgot how to win.
no doubt last season was more fun and the players felt closer, they got to game 7 of the WS, and this season they sucked.
but winning breeds good vibes, its not really the other way around.but I get it, players dont have the answers, so you give fluff answers doing your best to guess what went wrong
They could have also traded Gimenez for help in the bullpen or for a bat
Giminez has 72 million owed to him 2027-2030, he has less an zero value. They could maybe trade for someone else black hole player who is owed a lot of money, but they cant just move him for value.
I saw someone mention trading him for Lindor, but thats a huge risk also, since hes owed a lot more, 32yo and a 1 WAR player this year.
but thats the type of deal you would be looking atPlenty of other “bad contracts” out there, at the end of the day, it’s still only money. You take money back in the deal but at a different position and it becomes a lateral move.
Report: Kevin Gausman says Blue Jays ‘not nearly as close-knit’ as 2025:
“I don’t think we necessarily have the characters we’ve had in the past,” Gausman said. “Max (Scherzer) hasn’t been around as much. I think losing (Chris Bassitt) was maybe a little bit bigger of a loss than we all thought it would be.”
”(Bassitt) and Bo (Bichette) are two guys who had been around,” Ernie Clement told Wilner. “They knew how to win. Any clubhouse wants guys like that and misses guys like that.”
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They could have also traded Gimenez for help in the bullpen or for a bat
Giminez has 72 million owed to him 2027-2030, he has less an zero value. They could maybe trade for someone else black hole player who is owed a lot of money, but they cant just move him for value.
I saw someone mention trading him for Lindor, but thats a huge risk also, since hes owed a lot more, 32yo and a 1 WAR player this year.
but thats the type of deal you would be looking atIf the re-signed Bo, they either dont sign Okamoto or still do and they split time in the infield Okamoto/Bo/Clement/Gimenez. Even if Bo was a 5war player this season with the Jays, it might make 2 wins difference, since you just shift time between them and other will be less.
and Bo on the team doesnt suddenly make Vlad also have a 5war season.and wtf are you talking about with saving money, first they didnt, they spent, also I posted here many times I wanted them to get Kyle Tucker and Bo if possible.
Wrong. They could have retained Bo and still brought in Okamoto. Having a four man platoon in the in-field would have worked great with Bo and Okamoto also being capable of playing DH when Springer went down to injury. They could have also traded Gimenez for help in the bullpen or for a bat in the outfield. Either scenario would have made the Jays a better team and only cost them money, which they have plenty of to spend.
Again, your autistic obsession with stats doesn’t account for team chemistry and morale. Bo and Vlad grew up together in the system. Notice how Bo started off shit but then has been rather good the last 30-40 games. Vlad never figured it out though. That’s something they could help each other with. It’s not as direct a connection as Matthews being shit without Marner but there is a level of familiarity and team chemistry that was disrupted when the Jays didn’t bring back the core pieces that helped them get to within one out of a World Series victory.
The Jays did not fill in the required gaps. They signed Cease, which was great, but they didn’t bring in a starting LHP. A couple of injuries and all of a sudden Corbin and Miles are starting games. They needed an elite closer but instead they trotted Hoffman out there, watching him blow games until they made Varland the closer. If they had signed a closer, they’d have Varland as an elite set-up guy and an elite closer or vice versa. Instead, they forced themselves to promote Varland (30 games too late) and still have a weak bullpen outside of him.
They also did not add a bat to the outfield. Varsho has been nothing special offensively, just like he was shit in the playoffs last year, Barger got hurt, Springer was hurt and they’ve just been rotating guys all year. If they had added more weapons, those injuries would have hurt them a lot less than they did. When you build a team, you have to account for injuries. The Jays built a team thinking everything was going to go perfect and when things didn’t go perfect, the season was quickly lost.
Yes, they “tried” to get Tucker but when they didn’t succeed, instead of shifting that money over to Bo, they him walk too. And then, didn’t even use that money on any other bat in the outfield or arm in the rotation. They could have spent that 60 million on addressing their other needs. They basically said, it’s either Tucker gets 60 million or we spend 0 more dollars. It was retarded.
If the Jays had done what I said which was retain Bo, sign a legit starter LHP, bring in an elite closer and add a bat to the outfield, this team would still be at worst in a wild card spot. I know it brings you tremendous pain to admit I was right but the facts are the facts; the Jays fucked up the offseason hard and didn’t add enough to bring them back to the World Series.
I see the dumpster fire is still polluting these boards with stupidity.
The Jays were never going to sign both Tucker and Bo….never. Bo wanted out, he wanted to be a big free agent….and he wasnt until the one desperate team with deep pockets decided to drastically overpay him and now they are thinking of moving on from him. (Neither Tucker or Bo would have helped the Jays this year – $60m for tuckers 7 HR’s or $45 for Bo’s 10? No thanks)
The Jays regulars have costed this team a playoff spot, they’ve all under performed, Vlad with 6 HRS? Absolutely embarrassing.
Springer was never going to repeat what he did last year, thats fine, but barger, vlad, clement, lukas have all taking steps back. Santander continues to be one of the worse signing in sports history and barger just cant get it together health wise.
Everything went right for 80% of the season last year, and everything has gone wrong for 100% of the season this year.
Sell all FA’s for anything, get under that tax threshold
Retool in the off season.At least the Leafs should be a little more watch worthy this year.
If the re-signed Bo, they either dont sign Okamoto or still do and they split time in the infield Okamoto/Bo/Clement/Gimenez. Even if Bo was a 5war player this season with the Jays, it might make 2 wins difference, since you just shift time between them and other will be less.
and Bo on the team doesnt suddenly make Vlad also have a 5war season.and wtf are you talking about with saving money, first they didnt, they spent, also I posted here many times I wanted them to get Kyle Tucker and Bo if possible.
the Jays UFA additions have been good, Cease, Okamoto etc.
its Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger all having well below career avg years has tanked the offence, the what the F happened to the offence question is about what happened to Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho. (barger injured)
keeping Bo Bichete would have done nothing with his 88 ops+. he would have fit right in.its not a mystery why they are where they are, its hard to explain what happened to them.
even the defense has gotten a lot worse.the jays had a good offseason from a pure WAR perspective. blaming that is dumb..so yeah, keep dumbing
Cease and Okamoto were never blamed for the state of the team. They were great, welcomed additions. The issue was, there weren’t enough additions to address the obvious deficiencies the team had and they let the wrong guys go. But you’d have to be literate to understand that level of *very* complicated conditions.
Yes, a lot of guys have offensively sucked this year but as we saw with the Red Sox, a manager change turned their season around. And that’s perhaps what the Jays needed but refuse to do despite their managers being rather average with questionable decision making.
Bo had a bad start but he’s been heating up on a shit team the last 30-40 games. He grew up with Vlad through the system and it’s no secret they were close friends. It would have been expensive but they should have found a way to keep Bo and keep the obvious chemistry intact. The Jays disrupted the chemistry and now they suck ass.
But congrats, you’re happy they saved money and back to being mediocre. Keep being retarded.
Fwar 2025 > 2026 (on pace)
Vlad 3.9 > 1.3
Varsho 2.2 (in 71 games) > 1.6
Clement 3.2 > 2.2
Kirk 4.7 > 0.9
Springer 5.2 > 0.2
Straw 1.8 > 0.0all sig less…but blame the off season additions lol…lmfao even ..
the Jays UFA additions have been good, Cease, Okamoto etc.
its Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger all having well below career avg years has tanked the offence, the what the F happened to the offence question is about what happened to Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho. (barger injured)
keeping Bo Bichete would have done nothing with his 88 ops+. he would have fit right in.its not a mystery why they are where they are, its hard to explain what happened to them.
even the defense has gotten a lot worse.the jays had a good offseason from a pure WAR perspective. blaming that is dumb..so yeah, keep dumbing
Bingo! You are bang on but (just like with the Leafs) the unhinged one will continue to trot out his terrible takes blaming specific parts of the team he dislikes or moves he didn’t agree with for all the failures of this Jays squad.
the Jays UFA additions have been good, Cease, Okamoto etc.
its Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger all having well below career avg years has tanked the offence, the what the F happened to the offence question is about what happened to Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho. (barger injured)
keeping Bo Bichete would have done nothing with his 88 ops+. he would have fit right in.its not a mystery why they are where they are, its hard to explain what happened to them.
even the defense has gotten a lot worse.the jays had a good offseason from a pure WAR perspective. blaming that is dumb..so yeah, keep dumbing
