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July 24, 2026 at 8:07 am #78345
senstrolltwo
ParticipantIf the re-signed Bo, they either dont sign Okamoto or still do and they split time in the infield Okamoto/Bo/Clement/Gimenez. Even if Bo was a 5war player this season with the Jays, it might make 2 wins difference, since you just shift time between them and other will be less.
and Bo on the team doesnt suddenly make Vlad also have a 5war season.and wtf are you talking about with saving money, first they didnt, they spent, also I posted here many times I wanted them to get Kyle Tucker and Bo if possible.
July 23, 2026 at 5:39 pm #78327Unholy_Goalie
Participantthe Jays UFA additions have been good, Cease, Okamoto etc.
its Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger all having well below career avg years has tanked the offence, the what the F happened to the offence question is about what happened to Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho. (barger injured)
keeping Bo Bichete would have done nothing with his 88 ops+. he would have fit right in.its not a mystery why they are where they are, its hard to explain what happened to them.
even the defense has gotten a lot worse.the jays had a good offseason from a pure WAR perspective. blaming that is dumb..so yeah, keep dumbing
Cease and Okamoto were never blamed for the state of the team. They were great, welcomed additions. The issue was, there weren’t enough additions to address the obvious deficiencies the team had and they let the wrong guys go. But you’d have to be literate to understand that level of *very* complicated conditions.
Yes, a lot of guys have offensively sucked this year but as we saw with the Red Sox, a manager change turned their season around. And that’s perhaps what the Jays needed but refuse to do despite their managers being rather average with questionable decision making.
Bo had a bad start but he’s been heating up on a shit team the last 30-40 games. He grew up with Vlad through the system and it’s no secret they were close friends. It would have been expensive but they should have found a way to keep Bo and keep the obvious chemistry intact. The Jays disrupted the chemistry and now they suck ass.
But congrats, you’re happy they saved money and back to being mediocre. Keep being retarded.
July 23, 2026 at 2:33 pm #78319senstrolltwo
ParticipantFwar 2025 > 2026 (on pace)
Vlad 3.9 > 1.3
Varsho 2.2 (in 71 games) > 1.6
Clement 3.2 > 2.2
Kirk 4.7 > 0.9
Springer 5.2 > 0.2
Straw 1.8 > 0.0all sig less…but blame the off season additions lol…lmfao even ..
July 23, 2026 at 2:05 pm #78317RangerDanger
Participantthe Jays UFA additions have been good, Cease, Okamoto etc.
its Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger all having well below career avg years has tanked the offence, the what the F happened to the offence question is about what happened to Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho. (barger injured)
keeping Bo Bichete would have done nothing with his 88 ops+. he would have fit right in.its not a mystery why they are where they are, its hard to explain what happened to them.
even the defense has gotten a lot worse.the jays had a good offseason from a pure WAR perspective. blaming that is dumb..so yeah, keep dumbing
Bingo! You are bang on but (just like with the Leafs) the unhinged one will continue to trot out his terrible takes blaming specific parts of the team he dislikes or moves he didn’t agree with for all the failures of this Jays squad.
July 23, 2026 at 1:59 pm #78316senstrolltwo
Participantthe Jays UFA additions have been good, Cease, Okamoto etc.
its Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger all having well below career avg years has tanked the offence, the what the F happened to the offence question is about what happened to Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho. (barger injured)
keeping Bo Bichete would have done nothing with his 88 ops+. he would have fit right in.its not a mystery why they are where they are, its hard to explain what happened to them.
even the defense has gotten a lot worse.the jays had a good offseason from a pure WAR perspective. blaming that is dumb..so yeah, keep dumbing
July 23, 2026 at 12:47 pm #78314Unholy_Goalie
Participanttime to sell, it sucks but get whatever you can for UFAs.
what a train wreck of the season. so much excitement after the WS. what the F happened to the offence?
A shit offseason where they didn’t retain enough players or make enough improvements, and as predicted, you were wrong.
Could have also fired the coach earlier this season as it worked wonders for the Red Sox.
July 23, 2026 at 10:20 am #78297senstrolltwo
Participanttime to sell, it sucks but get whatever you can for UFAs.
what a train wreck of the season. so much excitement after the WS. what the F happened to the offence?
interesting note I just read, something very similar happened to the twins with popkins@AndrewStoeten
On record thousands of times about not putting too much import on individual coaches when we have no idea about their jobs, but didn’t the Jays only land Popkins after the ‘24 Twins death spiralled in September and no one there could figure out how to get anybody to hit again?also looking at player stats and what a monster Yordan Alvarez is. might win triple crown….for those who didnt know, Alvarez was a Dodgers prospect, they traded him for Josh Fields (total 2.0 WAR)..yikes and could you imagine the Dodgers with Alvarez also.
July 22, 2026 at 3:45 pm #78252senstrolltwo
ParticipantYou have single handedly ruined this place for almost everyone – congrats on that you loser.
exactly. a gross loser who nobody wants around
July 22, 2026 at 1:51 pm #78238RangerDanger
ParticipantRetards will forget that he sucked last year after he imploded late in the season and should have been removed from the closer role prior to the playoffs.
Yup, the offense sucks because they broke up a group that was a working formula and didn’t do enough to reinforce the roster. As predicted, the Jays lost this season with their shit UFA strategy.
Jays are now doing their best Leafs impression with a post all-star break implosion.- Unhinged Moron
Good god you are an idiot.
To come here and try to gloat that you were right is just a perfect snapshot into your pathetic little life. You who spouted non-stop garbage about the Jays last year going into the playoffs and even during them round by round being wrong with your completely unhinged opinions while trying to present them as facts.
We get it – this is your thing with the Jays and Leafs – predict failure at every turn, be wrong more often than right and argue like a 3 year old with anyone who disagrees with you and the odd/rare time you are right come back and puff out your chest and pretend like you are some insightful insider.
Rinse and repeat.
You have single handedly ruined this place for almost everyone – congrats on that you loser.
July 22, 2026 at 1:36 pm #78236Unholy_Goalie
Participantdumb people will blame Jeff hoffman. he was .5 war last season and basically zero in 2026
2025 – Springer, Kirk, Guererro, Clement, Varsho, Barger = 21.4 war
same group 2026 = 3.7a 17 win swing
Retards will forget that he sucked last year after he imploded late in the season and should have been removed from the closer role prior to the playoffs.
Yup, the offense sucks because they broke up a group that was a working formula and didn’t do enough to reinforce the roster. As predicted, the Jays lost this season with their shit UFA strategy.
Jays are now doing their best Leafs impression with a post all-star break implosion.
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