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I agree, go meekly into the night and the core 4 needs to be dismantled. Willy is the keeper. If Auston isn’t severely disabled, time to put him up for auction. Mitch, try to trade his rights to a team willing to pay him before July 1st. Giving him that 8th year could make a difference. I’m OK with the goaltending and most of the defense. Rielly could go, if there’s a suitable trade for him. OEL could slide into the 2nd pairing on the Left side and the Leafs could find another righty. All I know is that we’ve run it back for far too long. This team, as it’s constructed, should be in the hunt for the Cup right now. 2 rounds is not enough. They better win tomorrow night, or it’s game 6 and done
PrinceIf the leafs cant get past the panthers, Im fine with huge pivot away from Matthews. Wont happen, but I would be fine with it.
Anywho, we’ll see what the leafs have. Lose tonight and the series is pretty much over for them.
Sorry, but there is no way this team is getting better by letting it’s leading point producer go as a UFA. Same goes for trading one of the top goal scorers the past 5 years.
I would absolutely love to see you answer this simple question: Name the team that removed it’s leading point and goal scorer and won a Cup after. Good luck.
That’s not how you actually build a winner. This season has already been progress over last year and as the division gets weaker (Boston and Tampa Bay both seem to be going backwards) the worst possible thing to do is throw away your best players with insufficient replacements. Yes, Florida is still strong but you don’t beat them by getting worse players. You beat them by adding more complimentary pieces and strengthening the depth. Florida will eventually cap itself out to keep it’s aging pending UFAs like Bennett and Ekblad.
If the Leafs end up blowing the series to the Panthers, Rielly is the first one to get moved. He’s proven to be way too expensive for what he brings and the Leafs D is far stronger without him and better off with a PP replacement at half the cost.
The next one to go is Tavares unless he takes a ridiculous discount. Then, keep adding to the bottom-six with more aggressive, two-way players. The Leafs bottom-six right now are offensively contributing next to nothing.
McMann, Holmberg, Jarnkrok, Lorentz, Robertson, Kampf, Reaves, Laughton…these are the guys we have to play in the bottom-six and they all have ZERO playoff goals COMBIMED.
Edmonton has 12 forwards with at least 1 goal through 10 games. McDavid “only” has 3. Depth makes a difference.
Yes, Matthews needs to step-up and be a difference maker but our depth players are bringing nothing to the table offensively either and it’s a big problem.
UGUmmm the panthers traded away Huberdeau, who had 115pts, and were in the cup finals the next season and won a cup a season after that.
Its difficult to have depth players when you have so much cap tied up in 4 forwards.
JT’s cap will pretty much go to Knies($8 – $9m of it anyway), I’m ok with moving out Rielly if the leafs blow this series.
There needs to be some sort of big change.Anywho, Leafs are still in the series. Must win tonight, hopefully woll can keep it together and our $40m players score some goals.
Yup, his post were not only stupid but factually incorrect. – Fake
That’s what happens when you regularly ignore facts and science, and start believing your own ideological horseshit.
Corporate suites are chock full of phucktards like that and the NHL is no different. Panthers guy just said the quiet part out loud. It’s just gonna motivate the Leafs even more.
Leafs win 4-2 with an empty netter tonight.
Matthews with a goal (finally), bottom 6 with a goal, Willy with one and a JT GWG.
You heard it here first!
Go MF Leafs Go!
The fans chanting USA at the end of last game..id say that should motivate…but Matthews is American also Knies.
Floridas 2 goal scorers last game are Canadian.so yeah
Leafs win 4-2 with an empty netter tonight.
Matthews with a goal (finally), bottom 6 with a goal, Willy with one and a JT GWG.
You heard it here first!
Go MF Leafs Go!
CushHere’s hoping.
Go Leafs Go!I opened an account on the Score Bet because I got a promo code for $50 free.
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I’ll be at the game tonight so if that hits it’ll pay for a good chunk of my ticket! lol
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Ummm the panthers traded away Huberdeau, who had 115pts, and were in the cup finals the next season and won a cup a season after that.
Its difficult to have depth players when you have so much cap tied up in 4 forwards.
JT’s cap will pretty much go to Knies($8 – $9m of it anyway), I’m ok with moving out Rielly if the leafs blow this series.
There needs to be some sort of big change.Anywho, Leafs are still in the series. Must win tonight, hopefully woll can keep it together and our $40m players score some goals.
~fakepartofmeI do want to say that I basically agree with you. If you lost Marner but replaced him with guys who show up or are miserable to play against in the playoffs – Bennett and Rielly Smith come to mind – it would change the dynamic of the team. They might be not as offensive, but they might be better equipped in the playoffs.
That said, Marner – and I’ve said before – may not really be the problem. Matthews is the alpha dog on that team. People get him the puck – they seek him out, and Marner is no exception. They have absurd levels of faith in one another – it’s how you build a good team – and it probably blinds them to some of the weaknesses of a player’s game. They want to see Matthews succeed, so they aren’t going to pass up the opportunity to get him the puck either (it reminds me of Sundin against Carolina in 2002).
The regular season is different, no doubt, but when together over the past two seasons – both Marner and Matthews average 1.2 pts/game. When apart, Marner averages 1.5 / game, and Matthews averages 1.6 / game.
But in counteraction to your point about Huberdeau – trading a 115 player, who is a great distributor, but not too difficult to play against and in return getting a 109 point player who is much more difficult to play against? I mean if that trade were available, you’re not really trading away your leading scorer and filling his role with notably lesser guys (and realistically Bennett is FAR from Marner) – you’re upgrading. But that just isn’t available now.
Ummm the panthers traded away Huberdeau, who had 115pts, and were in the cup finals the next season and won a cup a season after that.
Its difficult to have depth players when you have so much cap tied up in 4 forwards.
JT’s cap will pretty much go to Knies($8 – $9m of it anyway), I’m ok with moving out Rielly if the leafs blow this series.
There needs to be some sort of big change.Anywho, Leafs are still in the series. Must win tonight, hopefully woll can keep it together and our $40m players score some goals. -Fake
The Panthers traded Huberdeau, he didn’t leave as a UFA. They also got Matthew Tkachuk. You think the Leafs will get Brady for Matthews? Won’t work.
I do want to say that I basically agree with you. If you lost Marner but replaced him with guys who show up or are miserable to play against in the playoffs – Bennett and Rielly Smith come to mind – it would change the dynamic of the team. They might be not as offensive, but they might be better equipped in the playoffs.
That said, Marner – and I’ve said before – may not really be the problem. Matthews is the alpha dog on that team. People get him the puck – they seek him out, and Marner is no exception. They have absurd levels of faith in one another – it’s how you build a good team – and it probably blinds them to some of the weaknesses of a player’s game. They want to see Matthews succeed, so they aren’t going to pass up the opportunity to get him the puck either (it reminds me of Sundin against Carolina in 2002).
The regular season is different, no doubt, but when together over the past two seasons – both Marner and Matthews average 1.2 pts/game. When apart, Marner averages 1.5 / game, and Matthews averages 1.6 / game.
But in counteraction to your point about Huberdeau – trading a 115 player, who is a great distributor, but not too difficult to play against and in return getting a 109 point player who is much more difficult to play against? I mean if that trade were available, you’re not really trading away your leading scorer and filling his role with notably lesser guys (and realistically Bennett is FAR from Marner) – you’re upgrading. But that just isn’t available now. -MonkeyPunk
The cost of signing Bennett and Smith as UFAs would be more than what Marner ends up making. It’s also unlikely they want to leave where they are to join the Leafs, especially Bennett. And they’re both on the wrong side of 30, especially Smith who is probably closer to being finished at this point of his career.
There aren’t any players the Leafs could replace Marner with at a lower cost that would give them a better team. They’d be idiots to let Marner walk as a UFA.
Trading Matthews would be the more logical outcome however still difficult considering he has a NMC and the Leafs would have to bring in at least one major piece to actually make the team better after losing one of the most prolific goal scorers of this period.
I mean if that trade were available, you’re not really trading away your leading scorer and filling his role with notably lesser guys (and realistically Bennett is FAR from Marner) – you’re upgrading. But that just isn’t available now. -Monkeypunk
Bennett would be a far different guy on the Leafs.
Does anyone seriously believe Bennett would be allowed to injure a key player from another team, and not even get a minor penalty. They would be unloading him faster than they unloaded Kadri. The fact is, he should not even be on the ice, just like he shouldn’t have been on the ice after knocking Knies out of the series. Those were not just clean, hard-nosed bodychecks.
The fact is, he should not even be on the ice, just like he shouldn’t have been on the ice after knocking Knies out of the series. Those were not just clean, hard-nosed bodychecks. – Aeth
True. Bennett should still be serving a suspension for his blatant attempt to injure on Hagel in the first round.
Marchand should have been banned from the league years ago for countless flagrant attempts to injure.
Fact is, the NHL allows this shit and tacitly condones it when they refuse to punish for it. In any other realm of life, these are assaults that would result in criminal charges. They have nothing to do with playing the game. It’s about cheating to injure the other team’s players and remove them from the lineup.
Leafs fucked up by not murdering Bennett right afterwards. Bennett should still be recovering from the beatdown and going through rehab to get back on the ice sometime next season after he relearns to walk, eat, and talk again.
But it is what it is and Leafs fans just know to live with it. We have no choice.
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