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Brad Treliving did a wonderful job of getting rid of a mistake from 2 years ago. Moving Reaves and getting a prospect in return will start to change the culture in the Leafs dressing room. Marner and his mercenary behaviour was the first big step and now Reaves. Reaves had only 1 fight last year. His slow skating and propensity for taking dumb penalties finally signaled the end of his time in Toronto, and it gets another problem child out of the organization. Still there’s a few others that need to be dispatched and a proper first line winger coming in to help the Matthews line. For those who think the sky is falling, I disagree. Sure, one 100 point player off the roster, but significant cap relief can only help. There’s also the option to trade Anthony Stolarz for a great return. Stolarz had a career year and will be looking for a huge raise after this season. With Woll rounding into the number 1 goaltender, a good backup should suffice and allow the team the opportunity to either reacquire draft picks or a top 6 forward or a top 4 defender. The only question is, can Treliving make that deal without egg hitting him in the face. Should be an interesting season coming up.
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Brad Treliving did a wonderful job of getting rid of a mistake from 2 years ago. Moving Reaves and getting a prospect in return will start to change the culture in the Leafs dressing room. Marner and his mercenary behaviour was the first big step and now Reaves. Reaves had only 1 fight last year. His slow skating and propensity for taking dumb penalties finally signaled the end of his time in Toronto, and it gets another problem child out of the organization. Still there’s a few others that need to be dispatched and a proper first line winger coming in to help the Matthews line. For those who think the sky is falling, I disagree. Sure, one 100 point player off the roster, but significant cap relief can only help. There’s also the option to trade Anthony Stolarz for a great return. Stolarz had a career year and will be looking for a huge raise after this season. With Woll rounding into the number 1 goaltender, a good backup should suffice and allow the team the opportunity to either reacquire draft picks or a top 6 forward or a top 4 defender. The only question is, can Treliving make that deal without egg hitting him in the face. Should be an interesting season coming up.
Yup, and Reaves was a $200K cap hit on the Marlies and Thrun won’t be one at only $1 million. He’s a 24 year old RFA as well. He’s a simple choice for the leafs, if he doesn’t fit their style they don’t resign him, but he’s a 6’ 210lb D man, so I kind of like which way it’s leaning that he will ????
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The gall of this overpaid broken down plug that wouldn’t even fight in his final year to say “it wasn’t a good fit, fans turn on you fast.” Fuck off you Winterpeg loser. We were turned off the second you got three years at 35 when everybody in the league knew you were done and hoped you were a “vibes” guy. Ah yes, the “vibes.” The magical ingredient to making the teams best players play well when it counts. Enjoy your millions in the sun.
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I’m going to write about Treliving’s first year as GM, and how most of the moves were bad……Reaves was the worst.
To be fair he drafted Cowan and resigned Matthews that year, and even Nylander was resigned very early January 2024, and considering the fact he was tossed in at the last minute before July 1 (1 whole month) that’s not bad at all.
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The gall of this overpaid broken down plug that wouldn’t even fight in his final year to say “it wasn’t a good fit, fans turn on you fast.” Fuck off you Winterpeg loser. We were turned off the second you got three years at 35 when everybody in the league knew you were done and hoped you were a “vibes” guy. Ah yes, the “vibes.” The magical ingredient to making the teams best players play well when it counts. Enjoy your millions in the sun.
That’s not entirely true. A lot of dummy Leafs fans, the same ones who are happy with what the Leafs are doing right now, were very happy about Reaves signing.
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I’m going to write about Treliving’s first year as GM, and how most of the moves were bad……Reaves was the worst.
Treliving is going to destroy this team the same way he left Calgary in shambles.
Start preparing your draft rankings for 2028 (if the Leafs don’t trade that pick too) because the next rebuild is around the corner. This team is just starting to circle the drain.
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Treliving is going to destroy this team the same way he left Calgary in shambles.
Start preparing your draft rankings for 2028 (if the Leafs don’t trade that pick too) because the next rebuild is around the corner. This team is just starting to circle the drain.
Are you back from purgatory? Wife must have leashed you, but gave you a hero cookie to behave, while she lay on her sofa and you rubbed her feet.
Anyway, I figure the Leafs have a 2 year window to get the job done. After that, it’ll be a retooling time. If they can’t get assets for Matthews and or Nylander, once they hit their 30’s, it’ll be a fire sale to recoup young assets, something like Boston is currently doing. The only outlier is if McDavid hits free agency and they flip either Matthews or Nylander to free up cap space and build around McDavid. I give that about a 5% chance of happening. The stupidity of the league to not broach the taxation issues, in the new Collective bargaining agreement was a major faux pa. The League is too fixated at trying to make the southern cities acceptable for hockey. They’ll do an expansion and allow the two deep south entrants to get competitive quickly and screw teams like Buffalo and Columbus that can’t get or keep good young players. Bettman and his owner buddies are ruining this great sport.
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I’m going to write about Treliving’s first year as GM, and how most of the moves were bad……Reaves was the worst.
Treliving is going to destroy this team the same way he left Calgary in shambles.
Start preparing your draft rankings for 2028 (if the Leafs don’t trade that pick too) because the next rebuild is around the corner. This team is just starting to circle the drain.
That might be the end result, but right now I think he has done a good job. We’ll have to see what he can do to get around some of his and the previous regimes moves.
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That might be the end result, but right now I think he has done a good job. We’ll have to see what he can do to get around some of his and the previous regimes moves.
It almost certainly is the end result because this is the Leafs. He’s done a mostly terrible job. The fact that he has to get around stupid shit he did himself is already disqualifying.
Treliving was an assistant GM in Phoenix for almost 7 years. What the fuck did Phoenix ever do that was great because of him? He turned that into being GM of the Flames for 9 years. Ran that team into the ground. 16 years of futility and mediocrity turned into being the puppet GM for Shanahan.
This guy, ain’t the guy to turn this team into a Cup winner.
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UG is here with his “Leafs are crashing” pouting again.
The guy is just a Canadian player fan and it’s pretty fucking obvious. Look at Clark and Gilmour on his pic. If Marner was on the team when those two were Mitch would have had his ass beat in the dressing room routinely playing like the whiny ass little pussy that he is.
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UG is here with his “Leafs are crashing” pouting again.
The guy is just a Canadian player fan and it’s pretty fucking obvious. Look at Clark and Gilmour on his pic. If Marner was on the team when those two were Mitch would have had his ass beat in the dressing room routinely playing like the whiny ass little pussy that he is.
Argument, wrecked.
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Argument, wrecked.
Oh yeah I’m sure he would have spoken openly about it on the media. Fuck you’re stupid. I said the dressing room specifically for a reason.
Have you ever even played the sport you dense fuck nut?
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Argument, wrecked.
Oh yeah I’m sure he would have spoken openly about it on the media. Fuck you’re stupid. I said the dressing room specifically for a reason.
Have you ever even played the sport you dense fuck nut?
Wrong and raging about it. Go figure.
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Wrong and raging about it. Go figure.Not raging at all.
Just calling you what you are.
If you honestly believe this team was fully leaning on a 4th overall pick who never once won a significant award your logic needs some work.
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Not raging at all.
Just calling you what you are.
If you honestly believe this team was fully leaning on a 4th overall pick who never once won a significant award your logic needs some work.
That’s a lot of personal attacks, seems like rage. It’s probably all your rage that’s blocking your ability to realize it.
I honestly believe that Roy and Maccelli, along with their Art Ross and Hart trophies, will win the Leafs the Cup. You convinced me.
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That’s a lot of personal attacks, seems like rage. It’s probably all your rage that’s blocking your ability to realize it.
I honestly believe that Roy and Maccelli, along with their Art Ross and Hart trophies, will win the Leafs the Cup. You convinced me.
All you do is cry about what you don’t like, you’re the baby, not me. I’m not upset at all, just making fun of how lame you are.
And yes, I’ll happily take a couple secondary guys over Marner, at least they play full games and do more than handle and pass the puck.
Go cheer on Vegas, you obviously like Marner more than the Leafs.
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All you do is cry about what you don’t like, you’re the baby, not me. I’m not upset at all, just making fun of how lame you are.
And yes, I’ll happily take a couple secondary guys over Marner, at least they full games and do more than handle and pass the puck.
Go cheer on Vegas, you obviously like Marner more than the Leafs.
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I won’t miss him.
Because you like it when the Leafs lose.
In regards to the out of context photo, you’re right, Marner should have been the 3rd man in and taken a penalty. That’s what a really smart, all-time great player would have done. He’s such a moron.
Or better yet, he should have chased Point into the locker room and punched him while the medical staff was treating his injury after Rielly threw him into the boards. If he had done that, the Leafs would have at least 5 Cups in a row by now.
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Treliving is going to destroy this team the same way he left Calgary in shambles.
Start preparing your draft rankings for 2028 (if the Leafs don’t trade that pick too) because the next rebuild is around the corner. This team is just starting to circle the drain.
Are you back from purgatory? Wife must have leashed you, but gave you a hero cookie to behave, while she lay on her sofa and you rubbed her feet.
Anyway, I figure the Leafs have a 2 year window to get the job done. After that, it’ll be a retooling time. If they can’t get assets for Matthews and or Nylander, once they hit their 30’s, it’ll be a fire sale to recoup young assets, something like Boston is currently doing. The only outlier is if McDavid hits free agency and they flip either Matthews or Nylander to free up cap space and build around McDavid. I give that about a 5% chance of happening. The stupidity of the league to not broach the taxation issues, in the new Collective bargaining agreement was a major faux pa. The League is too fixated at trying to make the southern cities acceptable for hockey. They’ll do an expansion and allow the two deep south entrants to get competitive quickly and screw teams like Buffalo and Columbus that can’t get or keep good young players. Bettman and his owner buddies are ruining this great sport.
Still waiting for a realistic explanation of how they fix the tax issue. You going to change 32 team’s cap hit each year based on federal, state/provincial and municipal tax changes?
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Still waiting for a realistic explanation of how they fix the tax issue. You going to change 32 team’s cap hit each year based on federal, state/provincial and municipal tax changes?
There’s two very simple solutions.
One is to allow teams to go over the cap by 10% with a dollar for dollar luxury tax that goes directly into the revenue sharing pool. Perhaps only allow teams to use the luxury tax for 2 or 3 years in a row so the same teams don’t always abuse it year after year similar to how teams can’t win too many lottery picks in row anymore.
The second is to use “dollars taken home by the players” as the new cap. If a contract is signed and the taxes change, that contract is grandfathered from the day it was signed.
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Because you like it when the Leafs lose.
In regards to the out of context photo, you’re right, Marner should have been the 3rd man in and taken a penalty. That’s what a really smart, all-time great player would have done. He’s such a moron.
Or better yet, he should have chased Point into the locker room and punched him while the medical staff was treating his injury after Rielly threw him into the boards. If he had done that, the Leafs would have at least 5 Cups in a row by now.
The Knights continued to do just fine without him, especially this past year.
I was so damn happy to see him leave London, was hoping the leafs would have grabbed Hanifin instead but Hunter was involved so I wasn’t shocked. I hoped he’d grow up but he didn’t. Still the same little weak assed guy that he was as a kid in junior.
Anyways, I’m done, I’m glad he’s no longer a leaf, I won’t miss him at all, be as good as I felt that he was no longer a Knight just amplified.
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Still waiting for a realistic explanation of how they fix the tax issue. You going to change 32 team’s cap hit each year based on federal, state/provincial and municipal tax changes?
There’s two very simple solutions.
One is to allow teams to go over the cap by 10% with a dollar for dollar luxury tax that goes directly into the revenue sharing pool. Perhaps only allow teams to use the luxury tax for 2 or 3 years in a row so the same teams don’t always abuse it year after year similar to how teams can’t win too many lottery picks in row anymore.
The second is to use “dollars taken home by the players” as the new cap. If a contract is signed and the taxes change, that contract is grandfathered from the day it was signed.
Owners are not going to agree to a luxury tax. Hard cap is much better for them and it doesn’t sound like it was ever really a factor in negotiating latest CBA. Besides, it’s not a solution to the issue of teams in low tax jurisdictions having an advantage.
Trying to calculate an accurate “dollars taken home” for every player in the league is nit realistic. For starters they’re not paying taxes based on their overall AAV. Their base salaries and signing bonus amounts change every year as do tax rates, exemptions, write offs, etc.
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I won’t miss him.
Because you like it when the Leafs lose.
In regards to the out of context photo, you’re right, Marner should have been the 3rd man in and taken a penalty. That’s what a really smart, all-time great player would have done. He’s such a moron.
Or better yet, he should have chased Point into the locker room and punched him while the medical staff was treating his injury after Rielly threw him into the boards. If he had done that, the Leafs would have at least 5 Cups in a row by now.
3rd man in? Look who was on the ice at the time. Kucherov, Point and Stamkos. So Mitch couldn’t handle those bruisers? He probably needed his Depends changed, with the thought of having to fight someone that was the same size as he was. I also remember this year, when Matthew Tkachuk was chasing him around, late in the game, slashing at him. He should have poll axed him across the ankles and that nonsense would have stopped immediately. He just didn’t have the stomach to do what needed to be done. Somewhere, I read that UG/AA mentioned that Marner was a lot like Gilmour in his prime. What a joke! There’s a reason that they called Gilmour “Killer”. That look of intensity and willingness to stick an opponent when necessary is part of what made Gilmour a bonafide star. Marner was never that and never will be that.
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3rd man in? Look who was on the ice at the time. Kucherov, Point and Stamkos. So Mitch couldn’t handle those bruisers? He probably needed his Depends changed, with the thought of having to fight someone that was the same size as he was. I also remember this year, when Matthew Tkachuk was chasing him around, late in the game, slashing at him. He should have poll axed him across the ankles and that nonsense would have stopped immediately. He just didn’t have the stomach to do what needed to be done. Somewhere, I read that UG/AA mentioned that Marner was a lot like Gilmour in his prime. What a joke! There’s a reason that they called Gilmour “Killer”. That look of intensity and willingness to stick an opponent when necessary is part of what made Gilmour a bonafide star. Marner was never that and never will be that.
Flip Gilmour for Marner in that pic and I have a pretty good feeling Doug wouldn’t just be standing there lol
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3rd man in? Look who was on the ice at the time. Kucherov, Point and Stamkos. So Mitch couldn’t handle those bruisers? He probably needed his Depends changed, with the thought of having to fight someone that was the same size as he was. I also remember this year, when Matthew Tkachuk was chasing him around, late in the game, slashing at him. He should have poll axed him across the ankles and that nonsense would have stopped immediately. He just didn’t have the stomach to do what needed to be done. Somewhere, I read that UG/AA mentioned that Marner was a lot like Gilmour in his prime. What a joke! There’s a reason that they called Gilmour “Killer”. That look of intensity and willingness to stick an opponent when necessary is part of what made Gilmour a bonafide star. Marner was never that and never will be that.
Flip Gilmour for Marner in that pic and I have a pretty good feeling Doug wouldn’t just be standing there lol
At least tie someone up. Somewhere there are two Lightning players on one Leafs player….
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I did like the Reaves signing but as the game went on, I see that he wasn’t what I thought the player he’d be/was.
Let’s see what Berube can do with Thrun who’s not small. That Leafs D are big men.Think he makes the team or do they risk sending him down? At his age I’d like seeing him get time on the marlies to see if he fits their structure with regular ice time. If he does resign the RFA, if not let him walk.
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Think he makes the team or do they risk sending him down? At his age I’d like seeing him get time on the marlies to see if he fits their structure with regular ice time. If he does resign the RFA, if not let him walk.
Could be fighting Myers for a spot on the team or is he the next Benoit?
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Could be fighting Myers for a spot on the team or is he the next Benoit?
I won’t pretend to know. He’s got the size but he’s only 24, only has a max 60 game year, a total of 118 and no playoff experience, I can see him after Myers spot I guess?
I think I’d rather have the 24 year old playing than being the 7th guy though and I just don’t see him overcoming Benoit or OEL.
Like I said tho, who knows? Not me lol
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I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.
He could be just a piece going elsewhere, in a bigger trade. All of this smoke about Karlsson coming over from Pittsburgh could be a prerequisite to a larger transaction. I’m not convinced that Karlsson is the answer. If he reverts to his Norris Trophy mode, then maybe. But he’s on the wrong side of 30, so I wouldn’t bet on this occurring.
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I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.
He could be just a piece going elsewhere, in a bigger trade. All of this smoke about Karlsson coming over from Pittsburgh could be a prerequisite to a larger transaction. I’m not convinced that Karlsson is the answer. If he reverts to his Norris Trophy mode, then maybe. But he’s on the wrong side of 30, so I wouldn’t bet on this occurring.
I couldn’t imagine Karlsson being a solution here. His $10m salary isn’t manageable – even if you could move Rielly out, that’s a $2.5m increase on the blueline that should be allocated up front. Pittsburgh does have all of their retention slots but . . we don’t have the assets to pay them for a Karlsson or have them retain – at least not the 25% we’d want.
If you look at Karlsson’s impact to his team the last 3 years, it is beneficial to some degree – like Pittsburgh was -33 when he was off the ice last year and -5 with him; the year prior they were +6 with him and +1 without him. San Jose three years ago he was even at 5v5 while his team was -50. But he’s going into his age 36 season.
Still if you compare Karlsson relative impact to his teams over the past three years, he has had a positive impact (his GF% has been 48%, 52% and 50% over the past three years, while his teams without him on the ice have been 41%, 50% and 37%). Contrast that with Rielly and you have Rielly’s GF% of 51%, 54% and 51% compared to the team without him on the ice being 58%, 55% and 59%. It’s a pretty decent argument that Rielly’s contribution as a puck mover has not been beneficial for quite some time.
That being said – and it really should be noted because it’s important – when the important games come around, Rielly’s GF% in the playoffs has been 50%, 67% and 76% – compared to the team’s GF% without him being 48%, 42% and 30%. Entering his age 32 season, the diminishing results in the playoffs could be an age-related trend or just role-based. He’s still had a beneficial presence in the playoffs. Karlsson hasn’t seen the playoffs since 2019. The closest he’s seen anything was the 4 Nations Cup where he was 83% GF and his team was 43% without him (put simply, he was 5-1 GF/GA, and Sweden was 3-4 GF/GA when he was off the ice).
So while I wouldn’t strongly advocate to get Karlsson, I would actually say that he’d be an improvement over Rielly in the season and probably still an asset in the playoffs.
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I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.
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I was reading an article that he could come out of nowhere to be a solid defender.
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I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.
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I was reading an article that he could come out of nowhere to be a solid defender.
Similar to how Benoit has evolved with the Leafs. I’m not saying he’s here to replace Benoit but his trajectory with the Leafs will be similar..That would be nice. At this point he looks like a guy who’ll compete with Myers and Mermis as a potential call up if someone gets hurt and who costs a bit less than Reeves to play with the Marlies
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That would be nice. At this point he looks like a guy who’ll compete with Myers and Mermis as a potential call up if someone gets hurt and who costs a bit less than Reeves to play with the Marlies
I forgot about Mermis. Of course it’s sort of easy to given that he’s 31 and has 78 career NHL games.
Obviously not sure, but I’m thinking depth-wise, the Leafs have
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Tanev
Carlo
Ekman-Larsson
Myers
Benning <– almost forgot about him
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I know almost nothing about Thrun, but considering we got him for a $1.3M cap dump attached to a player that brings almost nothing positive to the table, I can’t imagine Thrun is going to make any noticeable impact in the NHL. Hope I’m wrong.
I haven’t been paying much attention to the Leafs lately, are there really Karlsson rumors? Gross, avoid at all costs. Not what we need at all.
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I know almost nothing about Thrun, but considering we got him for a $1.3M cap dump attached to a player that brings almost nothing positive to the table, I can’t imagine Thrun is going to make any noticeable impact in the NHL. Hope I’m wrong.
I haven’t been paying much attention to the Leafs lately, are there really Karlsson rumors? Gross, avoid at all costs. Not what we need at all.
Left handed Timmins.
You won’t be wrong.
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I did like the Reaves signing but as the game went on, I see that he wasn’t what I thought the player he’d be/was.
Let’s see what Berube can do with Thrun who’s not small. That Leafs D are big men.Think he makes the team or do they risk sending him down? At his age I’d like seeing him get time on the marlies to see if he fits their structure with regular ice time. If he does resign the RFA, if not let him walk.
I doubt they’re that worried about losing him.
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I know almost nothing about Thrun, but considering we got him for a $1.3M cap dump attached to a player that brings almost nothing positive to the table, I can’t imagine Thrun is going to make any noticeable impact in the NHL. Hope I’m wrong.
I haven’t been paying much attention to the Leafs lately, are there really Karlsson rumors? Gross, avoid at all costs. Not what we need at all.
Like I’ve said a few times now. They’ve now got a guy who might have to clear waivers but who cares, if he doesn’t he’s no longer a $2K cap hit.
He’s 24, unless he’s something special or some other notable moves are made to clear space he’s not going to be a leaf.
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I forgot about Mermis. Of course it’s sort of easy to given that he’s 31 and has 78 career NHL games.
Obviously not sure, but I’m thinking depth-wise, the Leafs have
RHD
Tanev
Carlo
Ekman-Larsson
Myers
Benning <– almost forgot about him
RifaiLHD
Rielly
McCabe
Benoit
Thrun
Mermis
WebberOEL is not a RHD. He’s a LHD who plays on the right side. And poorly. He shouldn’t be on the right side except if it’s on the PP. The Leafs knew this which is why they signed Hak but that didn’t pan out.
The Leafs RHD situation, as always, is poor. Tanev is 35+ and on a Cup winner, he’s a great 2nd pair guy. But he’s not Seth Jones. Not even close. Carlo, when Boston was great, was on the 3rd pair. It’s a shame he plays such a timid game for his size because he could be a force if he played with snarl. But he doesn’t. It’s a big problem made even bigger with the fact that Rielly is a pylon defensively.
This Leafs blueline may have already peaked last year because it’s going to be very old and very bad, very soon with next to nothing in the pipeline to make that better. By time Danford is in the NHL full time, half the guys on our blueline will be retired or on Robidas Island.
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Getting rid of reaves was the point, dont care about the return. could have been a $5 Tim hortons card
Pretty sure that’s not allowed under the CBA and would be tampering.
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Flip Gilmour for Marner in that pic and I have a pretty good feeling Doug wouldn’t just be standing there lol[/quote]
I agree.
But do we have the full video of what happened? Taking a still photo out of video can certainly change the context.
I seem to recall this when it occurred, the still looks bad, but the video isnt as bad cause I think he gets involved either earlier or later.
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I agree.
But do we have the full video of what happened? Taking a still photo out of video can certainly change the context.
I seem to recall this when it occurred, the still looks bad, but the video isnt as bad cause I think he gets involved either earlier or later.
Or I could be wrong and thinking of something else.Who gives a rats ass? Marner is a wimp, Gilmour was not. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a flat out lunatic. They aren’t even close to being the same player.
As for Thrun exactly, if he clears waivers he’ll be a no cap hit RFA d man playing for the Marlies, this year is likely nothing more than seeing how he’ll do in their system before they decide if they’re even going to resign him.
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There is nothing about Marner that reminds me of Gilmour. DG was all heart and lots of times willed the Leafs to playoffs wins. Marner shits the bed and cries cuz he didnt get his way
I wouldn’t say there’s nothing that reminds me of Gilmour in Marner. They’re from Ontario…they played for the Leafs…they’re 5’11…both went with a shortened version of their legal names…both were alleged to have sexually assaulted a minor…err not that one.
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deo of what happened? Taking a still photo out of video can certainly change the context.
I seem to recall this when it occurred, the still looks bad, but the video isnt as bad cause I think he gets involved either earlier or later.
Or I could be wrong and thinking of something else.Full video.
You can see Marner tie up a guy for a brief moment when it’s pushing and shoving but the minute it gets nasty and punches start getting tossed and Tampa goes full dog pile on the Leafs. At this point Marner shits his pants, and decides to let his guy go and then his next move is to complain to the linesman.
He is the furthest thing from Doug Gilmour you will see in those moments over the past 9 years – what you saw here is who he is.
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Who gives a rats ass? Marner is a wimp, Gilmour was not. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a flat out lunatic. They aren’t even close to being the same player.
As for Thrun exactly, if he clears waivers he’ll be a no cap hit RFA d man playing for the Marlies, this year is likely nothing more than seeing how he’ll do in their system before they decide if they’re even going to resign him.[/quote]
Im not saying marner is similar to gilmour or vice versa. Ive never thought that.
Just saying that the pic may be out of context. I recall one similar pic floating around HB that looked like marner was doing nothing in scrum, but in the full video it shows that he actually did do something.
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Im not saying marner is similar to gilmour or vice versa. Ive never thought that.
Just saying that the pic may be out of context. I recall one similar pic floating around HB that looked like marner was doing nothing in scrum, but in the full video it shows that he actually did do something.
I cant remember if this is the one or not.Cush posted the video, he started “tied up” but once the fight actually started he let go and went and whined to the ref.
It’s who he is, and it’s who he has always been. Just a full grown spoiled kid.
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Full video.
You can see Marner tie up a guy for a brief moment when it’s pushing and shoving but the minute it gets nasty and punches start getting tossed and Tampa goes full dog pile on the Leafs. At this point Marner shits his pants, and decides to let his guy go and then his next move is to complain to the linesman.
He is the furthest thing from Doug Gilmour you will see in those moments over the past 9 years – what you saw here is who he is.[/quote]
Thanks for the vid.
Ya marner was never ever compared to Gilmour, so not sure where that came up…UG?
Thats a foolish thing to say.
But in the vid, he ties up man, things break off and teams are about to go back to the benches, then 4 fights break out….but there isnt a 5th person involved for marner to grab….the 5th lightning is off to the side. Those fights subside and surgachev and marner get into and Schenn jumps in. Marner’s not fighter…never was. Could he have been a little more involved there, sure. Its not like he did nothing, like the out of context still was trying to show.Anywho, marner is gone, the leafs will miss him during the reg season and the first 4 games of a playoff round…saying otherwise is kinda foolish imo.
But the leafs never made it past the 2nd round with him, matthews, nylander and JT. Time for a change. Saying the leafs will die without him is also kinda foolish imo.
Will things be worse, better? Dunno, we’ll see. Gotta wait 10 months to see how they play in the playoffsAnd it may even take more than one off season to improve the overall line up.
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I forgot about Mermis. Of course it’s sort of easy to given that he’s 31 and has 78 career NHL games.
Obviously not sure, but I’m thinking depth-wise, the Leafs have
RHD
Tanev
Carlo
Ekman-Larsson
Myers
Benning <– almost forgot about him
RifaiLHD
Rielly
McCabe
Benoit
Thrun
Mermis
WebberOEL is not a RHD. He’s a LHD who plays on the right side. And poorly. He shouldn’t be on the right side except if it’s on the PP. The Leafs knew this which is why they signed Hak but that didn’t pan out.
The Leafs RHD situation, as always, is poor. Tanev is 35+ and on a Cup winner, he’s a great 2nd pair guy. But he’s not Seth Jones. Not even close. Carlo, when Boston was great, was on the 3rd pair. It’s a shame he plays such a timid game for his size because he could be a force if he played with snarl. But he doesn’t. It’s a big problem made even bigger with the fact that Rielly is a pylon defensively.
This Leafs blueline may have already peaked last year because it’s going to be very old and very bad, very soon with next to nothing in the pipeline to make that better. By time Danford is in the NHL full time, half the guys on our blueline will be retired or on Robidas Island.
Right. OEL is an LHD – and his best results were on the left-side. Benoit being left-handed and having his best results on the right-side is just one of those things.
In terms of Carlo – in 2022-23 the Boston Bruins had the 4th best points percentage of any team in NHL history. Carlo was principally paired with Lindholm in 2nd pair duties; he was very effective. That same pairing was the Bruins best pairing in the playoffs against Florida. He is a perfectly fine top-4 defenseman and has proven so on one of the best teams in over a century. His 5v5 ice time was lower than some of the other pairings but he led the team in penalty killing ice time so his distribution was affected that way.
You can’t really compare Jones to Carlo – they play entirely different roles. Jones had an effective playoff paired with Mikkola. Mikkola gave Jones freedom and he was good with that room – but don’t start thinking Jones is a defensive stalwart. He had a good couple of months playing beside a monster of a man who was allowed, because of the NHL playoffs, to commit a lot more infractions than would normally be tolerated. Jones did excel in his minutes and I won’t take that away from him, but in the regular season with Florida where the rules are just called normally, Jones was really mediocre – which is where he’s been for the past several seasons.
Carlo’s role is to provide a similar amount of freedom to his partner – who is unfortunately Rielly. I’ll agree that Carlo isn’t nasty enough but he uses size effectively down low and Rielly both didn’t do enough to make use of that freedom afforded to him nor did he do anything to contribute to the defensive requirements of his pairing. He had an awful and an awful second round against Florida.
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Thanks for the vid.
Ya marner was never ever compared to Gilmour, so not sure where that came up…UG?
Thats a foolish thing to say.
But in the vid, he ties up man, things break off and teams are about to go back to the benches, then 4 fights break out….but there isnt a 5th person involved for marner to grab….the 5th lightning is off to the side. Those fights subside and surgachev and marner get into and Schenn jumps in. Marner’s not fighter…never was. Could he have been a little more involved there, sure. Its not like he did nothing, like the out of context still was trying to show.Anywho, marner is gone, the leafs will miss him during the reg season and the first 4 games of a playoff round…saying otherwise is kinda foolish imo.
But the leafs never made it past the 2nd round with him, matthews, nylander and JT. Time for a change. Saying the leafs will die without him is also kinda foolish imo.
Will things be worse, better? Dunno, we’ll see. Gotta wait 10 months to see how they play in the playoffsAnd it may even take more than one off season to improve the overall line up.
Actually, the Gilmour thing came from the bitchy Dozzer who said Marner would have got his ass kicked in that locker room but then get wrecked by the truth when Wendel Clark said Marner reminded him of Gilmour.
The video clearly shows that Marner wasn’t just standing there the entire time. It’s taken out of context which is what bitches with a vendetta do because they’re a brain damaged coward.
Marner tied a guy up, the scrum settled, Point went off the ice injured and then re-ignited afterwards. If Marner had jumped anybody who was already dancing with somebody else, he gets an extra penalty and that’d be something for the bitches to cry about that Marner took a penalty in the playoffs.
Team will definitely be worse.
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Actually, the Gilmour thing came from the bitchy Dozzer who said Marner would have got his ass kicked in that locker room but then get wrecked by the truth when Wendel Clark said Marner reminded him of Gilmour.
The video clearly shows that Marner wasn’t just standing there the entire time. It’s taken out of context which is what bitches with a vendetta do because they’re a brain damaged coward.
Marner tied a guy up, the scrum settled, Point went off the ice injured and then re-ignited afterwards. If Marner had jumped anybody who was already dancing with somebody else, he gets an extra penalty and that’d be something for the bitches to cry about that Marner took a penalty in the playoffs.
Team will definitely be worse.
lol he let go of the guy to let him go fight someone else.
Can’t wait til the Americans realize what a soft piece of shit he is lol.
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Right. OEL is an LHD – and his best results were on the left-side. Benoit being left-handed and having his best results on the right-side is just one of those things.
In terms of Carlo – in 2022-23 the Boston Bruins had the 4th best points percentage of any team in NHL history. Carlo was principally paired with Lindholm in 2nd pair duties; he was very effective. That same pairing was the Bruins best pairing in the playoffs against Florida. He is a perfectly fine top-4 defenseman and has proven so on one of the best teams in over a century. His 5v5 ice time was lower than some of the other pairings but he led the team in penalty killing ice time so his distribution was affected that way.
You can’t really compare Jones to Carlo – they play entirely different roles. Jones had an effective playoff paired with Mikkola. Mikkola gave Jones freedom and he was good with that room – but don’t start thinking Jones is a defensive stalwart. He had a good couple of months playing beside a monster of a man who was allowed, because of the NHL playoffs, to commit a lot more infractions than would normally be tolerated. Jones did excel in his minutes and I won’t take that away from him, but in the regular season with Florida where the rules are just called normally, Jones was really mediocre – which is where he’s been for the past several seasons.
Carlo’s role is to provide a similar amount of freedom to his partner – who is unfortunately Rielly. I’ll agree that Carlo isn’t nasty enough but he uses size effectively down low and Rielly both didn’t do enough to make use of that freedom afforded to him nor did he do anything to contribute to the defensive requirements of his pairing. He had an awful and an awful second round against Florida.
It’s usually best to keep the LHD on the left and the RHD on the right, except in rare situations like the PP.
I was saying Tanev is not Seth Jones, not Carlo. But you’re right, neither is like Jones. Jones could take over a game. He did more than once against the Leafs. The Leafs don’t have that, on the left or the right. They just have Rielly who does have tremendous playoff puck luck offensively but terrible defensively. And year after year, it’s cost them in the playoffs.
And yes, in Boston, the way they play hockey, Carlo benefited. I don’t see the Leafs playing that same style that would benefit him as much for the Leafs. Neither one of them played very well against Florida and that’s part of the problem when you look at the Leafs team. You have to consider that they will be the team to beat for the next 1-3 years. And Tampa Bay isn’t completely gone away either. I don’t see either Tanev or Carlo being strong enough without another strong RHD to balance the work load.
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lol he let go of the guy to let him go fight someone else.
Can’t wait til the Americans realize what a soft piece of shit he is lol.
Just like you couldn’t wait for Colorado to realize Kadri takes too many suspensions and will never win a Cup in Colorado.
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Just like you couldn’t wait for Colorado to realize Kadri takes too many suspensions and will never win a Cup in Colorado.
Oh right, and Kadri was the core player of that team lol
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Oh right, and Kadri was the core player of that team lol
Oh right, Kerfoot and Barrie were co-Conn Smythe winners when the Leafs won the Cup.
Just like Roy and Maccelli will be when they win it this year.
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Just like you couldn’t wait for Colorado to realize Kadri takes too many suspensions and will never win a Cup in Colorado.
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Are you gonna do the same for Bozak as well?
Kadri and bozak werent part of the core….yes Kadri was a 2nd line center but he was behind guys like McK, Makar, Toews, Rant, Lehkonen, landeskog…maybe even nicbushkin.Neither were missing pieces to a leafs cup run.
So enough with this BS.
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Are you gonna do the same for Bozak as well?
Kadri and bozak werent part of the core….yes Kadri was a 2nd line center but he was behind guys like McK, Makar, Toews, Rant, Lehkonen, landeskog…maybe even nicbushkin.Neither were missing pieces to a leafs cup run.
So enough with this BS.
Vegas has already won a cup, and prior to Marner signing, already had a great team. Marner may win a cup on vegas…..we’ll see. But vegas already has a great teamYou’re comparing apples to tire irons.
Bozak left as a UFA for 5 AAV. Kadri was traded for garbage, stupidly, while he was still making 4.25. He was a bargain. On Colorado, he was on their 2nd line, point per game player in their Cup run with 2 GWG. He was always a playoff guy and the Leafs, who badly needed that, threw him away for a pile of dog shit. They spent the next 5 years trying to replace Kadri at the deadline by throwing away 1st round picks and prospects. Foligno, ROR, Laughton, etc. all to try and bring back what they gave away with Kadri. Same will now happen with Marner. They couldn’t replace Kadri. They have no hope in hell of replacing Marner.
Vegas won the Cup and half their team is gone now. They haven’t won it in years. They’re contenders but they aren’t the Florida Panthers.
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Oh right, Kerfoot and Barrie were co-Conn Smythe winners when the Leafs won the Cup.
Just like Roy and Maccelli will be when they win it this year.
Kadri isn’t worth much… he isn’t a top liner on a competitive team. The leafs also had JT and Matthews so Kadri was nothing more than a waste of space at C on the cap on a rebuilding team.
Keep pouting.
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Kadri isn’t worth much… he isn’t a top liner on a competitive team. The leafs also had JT and Matthews so Kadri was nothing more than a waste of space at C on the cap on a rebuilding team.
Keep pouting.
Not worth much, just a Cup playing on the 2nd line.
Oh…they had JT?! Wow! He won them how many Cups as the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL to be a 2C?!
And what are idiot Leafs fans so happy about now? Having a 2nd line 35 year old center who makes 4.4. Go figure.
The Leafs had no playoff snarl and playoff scoring depth; the exact thing you bitch and moan about being the reason they don’t win in the playoffs. The exact reason you’re happy Marner is gone, so they can replace him with 8 goal, 18 point players.
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if only Marner didnt block the Rantanen trade.
If only Leafs management wasn’t run by retards.
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Not worth much, just a Cup playing on the 2nd line.
Oh…they had JT?! Wow! He won them how many Cups as the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL to be a 2C?!
And what are idiot Leafs fans so happy about now? Having a 2nd line 35 year old center who makes 4.4. Go figure.
The Leafs had no playoff snarl and playoff scoring depth; the exact thing you bitch and moan about being the reason they don’t win in the playoffs. The exact reason you’re happy Marner is gone, so they can replace him with 8 goal, 18 point players.
So you prefer Kadri over JT got ya, well the leafs didn’t and you can’t keep both when you have Matthews too.
And you hate the new guy? What? You’re so shocking with your statements.
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So you prefer Kadri over JT got ya, well the leafs didn’t and you can’t keep both when you have Matthews too.
And you hate the new guy? What? You’re so shocking with your statements.
Kadri at 4.25 AAV doesn’t destroy the Leafs cap situation like Tavares did. The Tavares signing guaranteed that Nylander, Matthews and Marner were all going to make more.
If they had kept Kadri, the Leafs would have had plenty of cap space to fill out the blueline and the bottom-six. Considering Tavares has less career playoff points than Matthews, Marner and Nylander, that signing did absolutely fucking nothing to win the Cup. Just made it harder to compete for one.
You irrationally love the new guy because he plays for the Leafs? Big shocker there homer pyle.
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Kadri at 4.25 AAV doesn’t destroy the Leafs cap situation like Tavares did. The Tavares signing guaranteed that Nylander, Matthews and Marner were all going to make more.
If they had kept Kadri, the Leafs would have had plenty of cap space to fill out the blueline and the bottom-six. Considering Tavares has less career playoff points than Matthews, Marner and Nylander, that signing did absolutely fucking nothing to win the Cup. Just made it harder to compete for one.
You irrationally love the new guy because he plays for the Leafs? Big shocker there homer pyle.
I would have kept Kadri too, he was a bit dirty back then but nothing a couple cheap vets could have kept away from the rookies I get it.
But the leafs went with JT not Kadri so I moved on.
Which is what you don’t do, you hang on to your bitterness with past moves you didn’t like so deeply that it’s unusual. Marner is the latest added to that list.
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It’s usually best to keep the LHD on the left and the RHD on the right, except in rare situations like the PP.
I was saying Tanev is not Seth Jones, not Carlo. But you’re right, neither is like Jones. Jones could take over a game. He did more than once against the Leafs. The Leafs don’t have that, on the left or the right. They just have Rielly who does have tremendous playoff puck luck offensively but terrible defensively. And year after year, it’s cost them in the playoffs.
I can agree with this. The Leafs do need another above average Right-handed defenseman. They keep floating Karlsson out there. If they’d take Rielly off of our hands and gave the Leafs $2M retained for the last 2 years of Karlsson, than go for that. It could also include other pieces, where Pittsburgh gets a player like McMann or Robertson and the Leafs get a second rounder, or a good 3rd line forward in return. Would Rielly like to play with Sid and Gino? Back with Dubas? Let’s see if that could play.
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It’s usually best to keep the LHD on the left and the RHD on the right, except in rare situations like the PP.
I was saying Tanev is not Seth Jones, not Carlo. But you’re right, neither is like Jones. Jones could take over a game. He did more than once against the Leafs. The Leafs don’t have that, on the left or the right. They just have Rielly who does have tremendous playoff puck luck offensively but terrible defensively. And year after year, it’s cost them in the playoffs.I can agree with this. The Leafs do need another above average Right-handed defenseman. They keep floating Karlsson out there. If they’d take Rielly off of our hands and gave the Leafs $2M retained for the last 2 years of Karlsson, than go for that. It could also include other pieces, where Pittsburgh gets a player like McMann or Robertson and the Leafs get a second rounder, or a good 3rd line forward in return. Would Rielly like to play with Sid and Gino? Back with Dubas? Let’s see if that could play.
Why would Pittsburgh take the worse player in the trade and then retain salary?!?!?!
And why they hell would Rielly go to Pittsburgh?!?!
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Why would Pittsburgh take the worse player in the trade and then retain salary?!?!?!
And why they hell would Rielly go to Pittsburgh?!?!
Cause Dubas will tell him his contract is justifiable?
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It’s usually best to keep the LHD on the left and the RHD on the right, except in rare situations like the PP.
I was saying Tanev is not Seth Jones, not Carlo. But you’re right, neither is like Jones. Jones could take over a game. He did more than once against the Leafs. The Leafs don’t have that, on the left or the right. They just have Rielly who does have tremendous playoff puck luck offensively but terrible defensively. And year after year, it’s cost them in the playoffs.I can agree with this. The Leafs do need another above average Right-handed defenseman. They keep floating Karlsson out there. If they’d take Rielly off of our hands and gave the Leafs $2M retained for the last 2 years of Karlsson, than go for that. It could also include other pieces, where Pittsburgh gets a player like McMann or Robertson and the Leafs get a second rounder, or a good 3rd line forward in return. Would Rielly like to play with Sid and Gino? Back with Dubas? Let’s see if that could play.
Why would Pittsburgh take the worse player in the trade and then retain salary?!?!?!
And why they hell would Rielly go to Pittsburgh?!?!
Because, didn’t you know?! Everybody loves the Leafs! Especially jilted former GMs!
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You’re comparing apples to tire irons.
Bozak left as a UFA for 5 AAV. Kadri was traded for garbage, stupidly, while he was still making 4.25. He was a bargain. On Colorado, he was on their 2nd line, point per game player in their Cup run with 2 GWG. He was always a playoff guy and the Leafs, who badly needed that, threw him away for a pile of dog shit. They spent the next 5 years trying to replace Kadri at the deadline by throwing away 1st round picks and prospects. Foligno, ROR, Laughton, etc. all to try and bring back what they gave away with Kadri. Same will now happen with Marner. They couldn’t replace Kadri. They have no hope in hell of replacing Marner.
Vegas won the Cup and half their team is gone now. They haven’t won it in years. They’re contenders but they aren’t the Florida Panthers.[/quote]
Dont need to replace marner….they need to find someone who performs in the playoffs when it counts. Someone who shows up in Games 5- 7….they already have no shows like Matthews and JT sometimes….they couldnt keep another $13m plus no show.
They wont replace his 90 – 100pts in the reg season, although they could come close. But they need better bang for their $13m+ in playoff games 5 – 7.
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It’s usually best to keep the LHD on the left and the RHD on the right, except in rare situations like the PP.
I was saying Tanev is not Seth Jones, not Carlo. But you’re right, neither is like Jones. Jones could take over a game. He did more than once against the Leafs. The Leafs don’t have that, on the left or the right. They just have Rielly who does have tremendous playoff puck luck offensively but terrible defensively. And year after year, it’s cost them in the playoffs.I can agree with this. The Leafs do need another above average Right-handed defenseman. They keep floating Karlsson out there. If they’d take Rielly off of our hands and gave the Leafs $2M retained for the last 2 years of Karlsson, than go for that. It could also include other pieces, where Pittsburgh gets a player like McMann or Robertson and the Leafs get a second rounder, or a good 3rd line forward in return. Would Rielly like to play with Sid and Gino? Back with Dubas? Let’s see if that could play.
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Karlsson is horrible.
Avoid him at all cost.he doesnt make sense for the Leafs. Unless its swapping out Rielly and getting Karlsson for a cheaper cap hit, but thats not going to happen
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