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  • #16302
    Dozzer
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    Could be fighting Myers for a spot on the team or is he the next Benoit?

    I won’t pretend to know. He’s got the size but he’s only 24, only has a max 60 game year, a total of 118 and no playoff experience, I can see him after Myers spot I guess?

    I think I’d rather have the 24 year old playing than being the 7th guy though and I just don’t see him overcoming Benoit or OEL.

    Like I said tho, who knows? Not me lol

    #16335
    MadamStench
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    I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.

    #16343
    PrinceLH
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    I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.

    He could be just a piece going elsewhere, in a bigger trade. All of this smoke about Karlsson coming over from Pittsburgh could be a prerequisite to a larger transaction. I’m not convinced that Karlsson is the answer. If he reverts to his Norris Trophy mode, then maybe. But he’s on the wrong side of 30, so I wouldn’t bet on this occurring.

    #16346
    monkeypunk
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    I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.

    He could be just a piece going elsewhere, in a bigger trade. All of this smoke about Karlsson coming over from Pittsburgh could be a prerequisite to a larger transaction. I’m not convinced that Karlsson is the answer. If he reverts to his Norris Trophy mode, then maybe. But he’s on the wrong side of 30, so I wouldn’t bet on this occurring.

    I couldn’t imagine Karlsson being a solution here. His $10m salary isn’t manageable – even if you could move Rielly out, that’s a $2.5m increase on the blueline that should be allocated up front. Pittsburgh does have all of their retention slots but . . we don’t have the assets to pay them for a Karlsson or have them retain – at least not the 25% we’d want.

    If you look at Karlsson’s impact to his team the last 3 years, it is beneficial to some degree – like Pittsburgh was -33 when he was off the ice last year and -5 with him; the year prior they were +6 with him and +1 without him. San Jose three years ago he was even at 5v5 while his team was -50. But he’s going into his age 36 season.

    Still if you compare Karlsson relative impact to his teams over the past three years, he has had a positive impact (his GF% has been 48%, 52% and 50% over the past three years, while his teams without him on the ice have been 41%, 50% and 37%). Contrast that with Rielly and you have Rielly’s GF% of 51%, 54% and 51% compared to the team without him on the ice being 58%, 55% and 59%. It’s a pretty decent argument that Rielly’s contribution as a puck mover has not been beneficial for quite some time.

    That being said – and it really should be noted because it’s important – when the important games come around, Rielly’s GF% in the playoffs has been 50%, 67% and 76% – compared to the team’s GF% without him being 48%, 42% and 30%. Entering his age 32 season, the diminishing results in the playoffs could be an age-related trend or just role-based. He’s still had a beneficial presence in the playoffs. Karlsson hasn’t seen the playoffs since 2019. The closest he’s seen anything was the 4 Nations Cup where he was 83% GF and his team was 43% without him (put simply, he was 5-1 GF/GA, and Sweden was 3-4 GF/GA when he was off the ice).

    So while I wouldn’t strongly advocate to get Karlsson, I would actually say that he’d be an improvement over Rielly in the season and probably still an asset in the playoffs.

    #16355
    dmnted
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    I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.

    exactumumdo
    I was reading an article that he could come out of nowhere to be a solid defender.
    Similar to how Benoit has evolved with the Leafs. I’m not saying he’s here to replace Benoit but his trajectory with the Leafs will be similar..

    #16369
    CanadaCup
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    I highly doubt he’s the next Benoit unless it’s in context of a guy nobody knew that turned out solid. He’s a puck moving defenseman that hasn’t been able to do that very effectively in the NHL yet.

    exactumumdo
    I was reading an article that he could come out of nowhere to be a solid defender.
    Similar to how Benoit has evolved with the Leafs. I’m not saying he’s here to replace Benoit but his trajectory with the Leafs will be similar..

    That would be nice. At this point he looks like a guy who’ll compete with Myers and Mermis as a potential call up if someone gets hurt and who costs a bit less than Reeves to play with the Marlies

    #16374
    monkeypunk
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    That would be nice. At this point he looks like a guy who’ll compete with Myers and Mermis as a potential call up if someone gets hurt and who costs a bit less than Reeves to play with the Marlies

    I forgot about Mermis. Of course it’s sort of easy to given that he’s 31 and has 78 career NHL games.

    Obviously not sure, but I’m thinking depth-wise, the Leafs have

    RHD
    Tanev
    Carlo
    Ekman-Larsson
    Myers
    Benning <– almost forgot about him
    Rifai

    LHD
    Rielly
    McCabe
    Benoit
    Thrun
    Mermis
    Webber

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    #16379
    WHIPPER
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    I know almost nothing about Thrun, but considering we got him for a $1.3M cap dump attached to a player that brings almost nothing positive to the table, I can’t imagine Thrun is going to make any noticeable impact in the NHL. Hope I’m wrong.

    I haven’t been paying much attention to the Leafs lately, are there really Karlsson rumors? Gross, avoid at all costs. Not what we need at all.

    #16386
    CanadaCup
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    I did like the Reaves signing but as the game went on, I see that he wasn’t what I thought the player he’d be/was.
    Let’s see what Berube can do with Thrun who’s not small. That Leafs D are big men.

    Think he makes the team or do they risk sending him down? At his age I’d like seeing him get time on the marlies to see if he fits their structure with regular ice time. If he does resign the RFA, if not let him walk.

    I doubt they’re that worried about losing him.

    #16438
    Dozzer
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    I know almost nothing about Thrun, but considering we got him for a $1.3M cap dump attached to a player that brings almost nothing positive to the table, I can’t imagine Thrun is going to make any noticeable impact in the NHL. Hope I’m wrong.

    I haven’t been paying much attention to the Leafs lately, are there really Karlsson rumors? Gross, avoid at all costs. Not what we need at all.

    Like I’ve said a few times now. They’ve now got a guy who might have to clear waivers but who cares, if he doesn’t he’s no longer a $2K cap hit.

    He’s 24, unless he’s something special or some other notable moves are made to clear space he’s not going to be a leaf.

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    #16440
    Unholy_Goalie
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    I forgot about Mermis. Of course it’s sort of easy to given that he’s 31 and has 78 career NHL games.

    Obviously not sure, but I’m thinking depth-wise, the Leafs have

    RHD
    Tanev
    Carlo
    Ekman-Larsson
    Myers
    Benning <– almost forgot about him
    Rifai

    LHD
    Rielly
    McCabe
    Benoit
    Thrun
    Mermis
    Webber

    OEL is not a RHD. He’s a LHD who plays on the right side. And poorly. He shouldn’t be on the right side except if it’s on the PP. The Leafs knew this which is why they signed Hak but that didn’t pan out.

    The Leafs RHD situation, as always, is poor. Tanev is 35+ and on a Cup winner, he’s a great 2nd pair guy. But he’s not Seth Jones. Not even close. Carlo, when Boston was great, was on the 3rd pair. It’s a shame he plays such a timid game for his size because he could be a force if he played with snarl. But he doesn’t. It’s a big problem made even bigger with the fact that Rielly is a pylon defensively.

    This Leafs blueline may have already peaked last year because it’s going to be very old and very bad, very soon with next to nothing in the pipeline to make that better. By time Danford is in the NHL full time, half the guys on our blueline will be retired or on Robidas Island.

    #16441
    Unholy_Goalie
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    I know almost nothing about Thrun, but considering we got him for a $1.3M cap dump attached to a player that brings almost nothing positive to the table, I can’t imagine Thrun is going to make any noticeable impact in the NHL. Hope I’m wrong.

    I haven’t been paying much attention to the Leafs lately, are there really Karlsson rumors? Gross, avoid at all costs. Not what we need at all.

    Left handed Timmins.

    You won’t be wrong.

    #16459
    senstrolltwo
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    Getting rid of reaves was the point, dont care about the return. could have been a $5 Tim hortons card

    #16465
    MadamStench
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    Getting rid of reaves was the point, dont care about the return. could have been a $5 Tim hortons card

    Pretty sure that’s not allowed under the CBA and would be tampering.

    #16492
    Fakepartofme
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    So the leafs unloaded a player they werent using and who wasnt effective and got a young dman in return while not retaining any cap and gaining some cap space.

    But Tre is destroying the team?

    oh boy.

    The young dman may not turn out to be anything…..but if he ends up and effective marlie…thats fine.

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