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July 2, 2025 at 12:15 pm #14768
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ParticipantSounds like that “loophole” is going to be closed in the next CBA, and a lower percentage of the contract can be paid in signing bonuses. So now, not only are we dealing with higher tax rates for Canadian players, (which, fuck you Gary Betman, is 1000% a MAJOR consideration for players), it’ll be harder to attract Americans to play in Canada.
Why bother?
Americans in Canada is the easy part.
As I’ve said it’s just like Matthews. He only gets paid league minimum and gets everything else as a bonus while living in Arizona on July 1st.
The tough people to keep in Canada are the Canadians, and there are loads of Canadian stars and that’s who they currently want in the US.
July 2, 2025 at 12:05 pm #14765WHIPPER
ParticipantI won’t miss Marner, he’s got great hands and he’s a fantastic passer but he’s simply not worth what a Canadian team would have to pay to keep him around. Keep targeting the American players Toronto, that way you give it all to them as a bonus July 1st while they live in the US and only pay them league minimum through the season just like you do with Matthews.
Sounds like that “loophole” is going to be closed in the next CBA, and a lower percentage of the contract can be paid in signing bonuses. So now, not only are we dealing with higher tax rates for Canadian players, (which, fuck you Gary Betman, is 1000% a MAJOR consideration for players), it’ll be harder to attract Americans to play in Canada.
July 2, 2025 at 12:04 pm #14763Dozzer
ParticipantThe ship has sailed but I was really hoping to get Brown in the bottom-6 because he’s an exceptional penalty killer and still puts up 30 points / season with limited opportunity to do so.
One way of looking at it is that Marner scored roughly 30 goals but a healthy Auston Matthews will make up half of that. Nic Roy will contribute another 15 from the third line. If Maccelli works out, you get another 15 or so. The question isn’t the offense, per se, it is the penalty killing and the defensive awareness that Marner brought. As much as we all got frustrated when he’d screw up, he did make a lot of good defensive plays and was typically reading plays well and being in the right position to stop plays from developing. Maccelli has some larger shoes to fill there – a more mature Knies will help, a healthy Matthews will help – but I did want them to find a faster guy or two to enhance that PK.
Lots of summer left. Not a lot of options.
Yeah I’m not really seeing much of a free agent year for the leafs tbh. Everyone seemed to be expecting some sort of big move when all I’ve truly expected was a build up of the bottom six.
Maybe when it comes to replacing Marner the leafs will just use the most recent London Knight who won the Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy ????
July 2, 2025 at 12:00 pm #14761monkeypunk
ParticipantMy guess is that Robbie is a sign and trade as part of a top 6 deal. Toss Cowan in and we can hopefully pick up somebody good in their prime.
Since Bobbyson is RFA, and this goes to arbitration, the Leafs would not be able to trade him.
You can still trade him NOW. I’m pretty sure the arbitration restrictions apply once the hearing happens. So there’s like a 48 hour window between the hearing and the ruling – during this period a player can’t be traded. Even after a player (or team) elects for arbitration, the player can be traded until the hearing happens.
So if the player elects arbitration, the team can’t trade them if they don’t accept the award, but they can walk away (losing the player as a UFA).
If the team elects arbitration, the team cannot walk away and must accept the award.Once an award is accepted, the player can be traded.
July 2, 2025 at 11:53 am #14757monkeypunk
ParticipantSo I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
The ship has sailed but I was really hoping to get Brown in the bottom-6 because he’s an exceptional penalty killer and still puts up 30 points / season with limited opportunity to do so.
One way of looking at it is that Marner scored roughly 30 goals but a healthy Auston Matthews will make up half of that. Nic Roy will contribute another 15 from the third line. If Maccelli works out, you get another 15 or so. The question isn’t the offense, per se, it is the penalty killing and the defensive awareness that Marner brought. As much as we all got frustrated when he’d screw up, he did make a lot of good defensive plays and was typically reading plays well and being in the right position to stop plays from developing. Maccelli has some larger shoes to fill there – a more mature Knies will help, a healthy Matthews will help – but I did want them to find a faster guy or two to enhance that PK.
Lots of summer left. Not a lot of options.
July 2, 2025 at 11:51 am #14756Dozzer
Participantwhile I dont buy the, you have to replace Marners 100 points thing. there is more too it. Like the 2 players you mention take other players spots or push others down..who would have also produced.
but these are the /82 game production for them
Macelli 46
Roy 38 (41 over past 4 seasons)Both those are prob on the low side, but maybe they dont play full 82
I get what you’re saying hence my low estimates but who are they replacing? Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves, Robertson? Hell, those 4 didn’t even land 50 last year.
I won’t miss Marner, he’s got great hands and he’s a fantastic passer but he’s simply not worth what a Canadian team would have to pay to keep him around. Keep targeting the American players Toronto, that way you give it all to them as a bonus July 1st while they live in the US and only pay them league minimum through the season just like you do with Matthews.
July 2, 2025 at 11:49 am #14755WHIPPER
ParticipantYup. It’s a long shot, but it’s still a shot. I’m sure he’s not happy losing in back to back Cup finals, I’m sure he’s not happy losing in 6 vs 7 (step back for their team) and I’m sure he’s not happy with how free agency has gone. They lost a lot of guys and replaced them with only Mangiapane. They haven’t addressed the tendie situation at all, and other teams in their division loaded up. Plus, LA has a guaranteed ticket to lose in the finals with Perry.
I get what you’re saying but how in the hell do the leafs sign him without getting rid of Matthews? That would have to happen.
Don’t the Leafs have $26M or something like that in cap space next year? Obviously, the rest of the team is going to be filled with plugs (look at the current Oilers), but historically, 97 can single-handedly drag a team of plugs to the finals. Roughly, last year’s leaf team minus Marner and plus McDavid gives an aging Florida team their toughest challenge.
July 2, 2025 at 11:45 am #14753WHIPPER
ParticipantMarner already ruining Vegas.
July 2, 2025 at 11:40 am #14749senstrolltwo
ParticipantSo I’m just looking things over and here’s a little interest.
Maccelli: $3.43 million (40P estimate)
Roy: $3 million (30P estimate)Find another guy for $3 million who can dump 30P in and bang, there’s Marner’s 100P replaced for $9.43 million while offering far more balanced scoring.
while I dont buy the, you have to replace Marners 100 points thing. there is more too it. Like the 2 players you mention take other players spots or push others down..who would have also produced.
but these are the /82 game production for them
Macelli 46
Roy 38 (41 over past 4 seasons)Both those are prob on the low side, but maybe they dont play full 82
July 2, 2025 at 11:37 am #14748Dozzer
ParticipantYup. It’s a long shot, but it’s still a shot. I’m sure he’s not happy losing in back to back Cup finals, I’m sure he’s not happy losing in 6 vs 7 (step back for their team) and I’m sure he’s not happy with how free agency has gone. They lost a lot of guys and replaced them with only Mangiapane. They haven’t addressed the tendie situation at all, and other teams in their division loaded up. Plus, LA has a guaranteed ticket to lose in the finals with Perry.
I get what you’re saying but how in the hell do the leafs sign him without getting rid of Matthews? That would have to happen.
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