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I wouldn’t want to trade Panarin or Trocheck to Minn. their prospect pool and picks are GUTTED. Stramel is in his 4th year in college with so so numbers. He’d be a fringe 3rd liner at best. Hard pass on a trade with Minn.
DET is the team we need to try and make a trade with, they’re loaded.
I just cant picture the Wings trading Danielson, not in a trade for Trocheck nor Panarin. Maybe if it was Trocheck and Cuylle or Perreault.
A lot of Drurys decisions were cap related. And a lot of the problems stemmed from the Covid year. The cap stagnant really messed them up. It’s not an excuse it’s just fact. I don’t think Drury handled that well, to be fair to the haters. But he was under alot of pressure. Panarin 11 million really put them in a corner and snowballed into a mess pretty much
I just think now it’s different set of circumstances where the can be a lot less aggressive and spend more wisely. Dolan is a bigger problem than Drury imo. And there is nothing we can do about that, but I think Dolan has understood to back off some. Kind of like he did with the Knicks
I’m not trying to fight. I just want talk rangers and how to get better. They needed to do this as hard as it is to watch, last year included
Fact of the matter is, Drury has one way to approach the deadline. If hes not going after 1st round picks and high end prospects given the state of the team, not even you can keep defending him anymore. I know you want Robo, but it wouldnt be the right move to make.
I think what they should do with Laf, once they trade Panarin, is move him to LW permanently. It’s his natural side. Trading him for essentially peanuts is not the way to go. They need to try something to unlock him. He has flashes but it’s so inconsistent. Stating the obvious but this could be affecting his development. Hot word in these parts
And side note, losses are better than wins. Going 0-30 is perfect
Well, trading LAF for Wright is probably the only right trade to make as things are currently. Especially if they move on from Trocheck. Other than that, I wouldnt bother moving LAF. Hes at his absolute lowest value wise and he has another year left on his contract thats unprotected.
Has there been a situation where a top 5 pick who had to the point of the trade been a total disappointment, got traded and turned into a megastar?
Has there been a situation where a top 5 pick who had to the point of the trade been a total disappointment, got traded and turned into a megastar?
This wasnt my trade btw. I happen to see it somewhere. But I think you’re right. They would need something else, maybe Hronek instead, and Schneider to vancouver
They need defensmen in SJ. They are hot after Schneider I read
They have some solid prospects in the minors I wouldnt mind giving a look to.
Three way trade:
To Van- rangers 1st rder (top 5-6 protected) this year and Laf
To SJ EP40 and Schneider
To NYR Will Smith and Dickenson
Why would SJ ruin what they got going on to bring in EP40? What are they in a rush to do? Theyre developing that team the right way.
I think I’m more tired of the players on this team than the front office. Maybe that’s where my disconnect is different then you guys. Get rid of all of them (older guys). My point regardless of buying selling retooling etc..you have to have older players to mentor players. Ie have Perrault play with Miller and Mika. You can’t have 20 players under 22 yrs old. Drury, for better or worse, wanted Miller and Gavrikov to be that new wave of older core players.
Moving forward- imo, Miller, Mika, Fox, Gavrikov and Shesty are the big tickets. Like they’re are all staying. Other guys need to be better (Cuylle, Laf, Schneider, etc) and add in some more youth in a variety of ways, draft right and sign smart contracts (like Trocheck was) and see what happens.
If they got Robertson I think we’d all feel much better about things. That’s the shot in the arm the fan base needs. I get the hate I do I just direct my hate elsewhere, it’s on the players not so much Drury. He gave them all 3 friggin coaches, a lot of money and they’ve been nothing but divas
You want Trocheck mentoring your young guys, not Miller. Thats what guys like Carrick, and Goodrow, are for. This is why I suggested getting Dumoulin and Grzelcyk, their experience, theyve played under Sully before and they would provide that short term stop gap as the younger Dmen develop.
When the attitude in the locker room absolutely stinks, its difficult for young players like Cuylle, LAF, Schneider, etc… to step up because its contagious. You need all 5 guys on the ice to work together, but if their heads arent in it, theres nothing you can do.
I dont want Robo if it costs us 1st round picks and our best prospects. This is a flawed team, all youre doing is replacing Panarin with Robo. More than anything, the team needs an attitude adjustment, they need a voice, a leader, someone to unify the team.
I ain’t reading all that
He ain’t getting fired is my answer to everything.
Anyway, Anaheim is in on Panarin. Maybe they can get McQueen. I’d think they’d protect their first rder
The thing with Anaheim is whether or not theyll be able to resign Panarin.
On the surface of things, it seems they have a lot of cap space, but they need to resign Carlsson and Gauthier. Trouba, Gudas and Mintyukov are also FA.
Don’t you have to have a captain tho? And this retool started 2 seasons ago. Once that Florida series ended. The first step was he is/was changing leadership. And what did they give up for him? A player who’s head is an injury waiting to happen who you would never re-sign knowing that, a RHD who we had an excess amount of, and the pick was protected. It was 15 OA, it wasn’t the end of the world. Point is just because they’re are selling off pieces don’t mean you don’t find someone to be captain. Every team in sports needs one and we didn’t have anyone worthy of it
Ideally they’re getting better as soon as next season with new players and vision, and by gods grace they draft McKenna or in the top 4.
I honestly think if he sent the letter last year you/fans/people would understand this all more. His timing was way off. Also I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s no coincidence this came out after Shesty got hurt. It’s like waving the white flag. I’m just saying I’m glad Drury started this retoool 2 years ago so we’re at least moving forward in the right direction. I mean we have potentially 5 first rders the next two years. That’s gotta mean something
Do we need a captain? No. We went quite a few years without one. However, lets assume we need one, what was wrong with making Trocheck captain? I think all of us would have been perfectly fine with him being captain. That makes bringing in Miller to be captain completely unnecessary.
What did it cost us? 11 OA. But that could have been top 10 without Miller here. Hell it could have been a net positive where we keep our 1st rd pick, and maybe have gained a 2nd rd pick for Chytil or whatever.
You say hey, its great the retool started 2 years ago. I say why? What was the point? Bring in Miller, Smith, Gavrikov… Why? Thats not the kind of moves a GM makes to retool. Those moves scream trying to salvage a team to try to make the playoffs.
Before this year started, knowing what Panarin would want in an extension, you had to know whether or not you were going to bring him back. Im quite sure that Drury had no intentions of bringing him back. So why bother doing all the other stuff? Wby bother bringing in his friend?
Salary cap? Who cares?
Leadership and veterans…? Could have brought in Dumoulin and Grzelcyk on the cheap with the lack of depth we had on the left side and their familiarity with Sullivans coaching. Its not the sexy option but youre only committed for a couple years until guys develop.
The problem tj is you have no legs to stand on. When guys said tear it down after the first time *cough*Tom*cough* you sat there, laughed and crapped on him. Years went on, Drury took over, and many of us were not happy with the decisions made, you sat there took Drury’s side and said wait. Time kept going on, and we kept saying enough is enough and do the right thing and tear it down finally. Drury starts making an embarrassment of the organization with his handling of players. We keep saying tear it down for the love of god, were just not there. He goes and trades for Miller, trades for Reilly Smith and signs Gavrikov. NOW hes finally tearing it down, and youre telling us, hey hes doing the right thing and tearing it down, be patient. You cant have it both ways. You were never on the side of tearing it down, but now, because its convenient to do so, there you are.
Then you go and question our loyalty to this organization because we dont support the management that runs the organization.
I wasn’t going to get into the keeping/signing players. He’s been hit or miss on that.
For as big of a disaster Nemeth was, we ended up losing the 42nd overall pick in 2025 in that trade and what will likely be around pick 34 this year which is absolutely HORRENDOUS when u think about it, the Trocheck signing was great.MANY people shit on the Trocheck contract. I told everyone it was a steal.
It was 12th overall, not 15th. And when ur going through a rebuild I’d take 12th overall every single day of the week over a 32 year old.
I’m not mad we’re rebuilding, I’m mad at who’s doing it given his track record. He gets smoked on trades, very rarely comes out on top.
JT Miller trade – bad
Keandre Miller trade – good
Nemeth trade – horrific
Buch trade – horrible
Kreider trade – horrible
Trouba trade – horrible
Reilly Smith trade – terrible
Kakko trade – terrible
Kravtsov handling/trade – terrible
Kane trade – horrible
Tarasenko trade – ok
Lindgren/Vesey trade – ok
Roslovic trade – good
Wennberg trade – bad
Motte trade – goodVatrano trade – good
Letting him walk for nothing after having clear chemistry with this squad for a 3.3m contract – horrible
tj, again youre missing the point. No one here is mad about the tear down. Were mad at how its being done.
Hes done everything possible to sabotage himself with every move by basically putting flashing lights around it. Whether its by putting names out there or by telling people who he wants and overpaying for them.
Did he REALLY need veteran leadership? I thought Trocheck, and for that matter Carrick, are solid leaders. What has Miller done to make people believe he is a leader? Using the Messier analogy is just bad.
If youre gonna suck, then suck 100%, dont go out and get Miller and Gavrikov.
It’s probably somewhat calculated for Drury to get worse. If you look at these east teams, 3-4-5 of them have really turned the corner and gotten really good. You guys refuse to see it not realizing how much we would suck even with the all guys they let go. It wouldn’t make little to no difference if they stood pat. They got slow and old really fast and the window closed. You guys need to open your eyes
So in response to a team somewhat aging out, you go and trade what could have been a top 10 draft pick for a 32 year old center with a hefty contract, a NMC, a history of not being a great locker room guy and make him captain? Then apparently the reason Miller even wanted to come to the Rangers is because he and Trocheck are buddies. Now Trocheck is most likely going to be traded.
Then go and trade a 2nd round pick for a 34 yo winger coming off consecutive down years.
Now I like Gavrikov, hes a solid defenseman, but if the point youre making is the team aging out why would you go and sign Gavrikov? Gavrikov is only a year younger than Trouba and is getting 1m less than him. Basically got net 0 on signing Gavrikov. Then the story goes that he and Panarin are friends and Panarin facilitated his signing in NY. Now Drury has made it very clear that Panarin is gone from the Rangers.
Make it make sense.
That’s another huge issue I have with Drury. He’s f’ing horrific on his returns in all these trades. Not a single player in return on Kreider Trouba KK Goodrow that has helped improve our team. Borgen is a plug, and the Trouba/Kreider returns we got absolutely nothing for bc he announced to the league he hated them and wanted them gone. wtf did u think the return would be after the way he handled that????? MORON.
Well, Ill give him his flowers for the KAndre trade. The return was pretty much along the lines of what everyone wanted to get. If Morrow can develop more defensively, with his already good offensive upside, we might have something good here on top of the picks.
Borgen, I wouldnt call a plug anymore. Offensively hes irrelevant, but defensively hes been fine. Kakko hasnt done anything more in Seattle than what he did in NY.
I feel like we’ve been getting fleeced by Anaheim since 2022, little by little, they seem to be acquiring our 2021 ECF squad at little to no cost. Strome and Vatrano in FA. Kreider and Trouba for pretty much nothing.
