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did hiring torts set this franchise back? yes or no.
No, but he didn’t progress it either. Poor ownership, management, decision making and drafting set the franchise back. It’s going to take a few more years to climb out of it too!
Zito putting it all together for the Panthers doesn’t diminish that the team was built around those 2 anchors and it took many years after they were drafted to get where they are. The Flyers haven’t even drafted those players. The clock hasn’t even started on an actual rebuild.
It certainly could happen that the Flyers miss the playoffs again this year, they win the lottery and draft McKenna or finish badly enough to pull a rabbit out of a hat with another 13th or higher pick. We went through all the recent Cup winners, and while they’ve all built their teams a bit differently, they were all built solidly, deep, good sized and a bit nasty.
flyers will easily 99.9% miss the playoffs. flyers have nothing in common with the any recent cup winners.
flyers strategy is completely flawed on how to build a team.
I hope they miss the playoffs for the next three years, and continue to sell off players to acquire picks at the deadline, that’s how you rebuild through the draft. You lose, a lot! San Jose is gonna be an absolute wagon of a team, they’re losing a lot, but drafting really well…be the Sharks!!
@ yes its me 2050
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it all plays out. For me they are headed down the right direction, you just have to continually build until you get the right combination of players, that’s a slow process. The Oilers had what, five 1st overall picks and they still haven’t won the Cup. From 2010 to 2015, inclusive, Florida drafted 3rd, 23rd, 2nd, 1st & 11th overall and it still took them eleven years after they drafted Barkov 2nd overall to get the right combo of players and coach. I hope I’m right and you’re wrong. They need to draft a #1 center though, or trade for one. All that being said, this is nowhere near a finished product, they just started.
what are they doing differently from the past?
Better utilizing the draft. They’ve had 12 picks in the past three drafts in rounds 1 & 2, including five first round picks. Are they going to hit on every one of those, obviously not, but they’re setting themselves up for better odds by acquiring more picks. They still need a top 3 pick, or two, which they haven’t had, unfortunately. That’s where you start the process. It’s also the most picks they’ve had in rounds 1 & 2 during any three year stretch in their history. I’m hopeful that trend continues.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
If your goal is to be a bubble team, then yes, that could happen. The foundation of a legit cup contender are the cornerstones (esp. on those rookie contracts), which they do not have nor are they doing what is necessary to get them. The players they are getting are not building blocks, they are complementary pieces.
The Flyers FO continuously try to slap a coat of paint on the Flyers without actually fixing the foundation. This is not a slam on the players themselves but until the cornerstones are in place they will all be asked to play above their abilities and that is not a recipe for success.
You’re trying to put the cart before the horse, it’s not a finished product yet. They’re three drafts into a rebuilding process, it’s ridiculous to think they’re going to turn the franchise around in three drafts without having a top five pick in any of those drafts. I completely understand the frustration, I was born in the late 60’s and I’ve been following this team for a long time, quite frankly, it’s been one of the worst run franchises for the past 15 years. They’ve been unable to adapt to a cap era, they’ve always built teams primarily through deals, not drafting. You can’t make good deals if you haven’t drafted well and have some ammunition to get what you want. Even with drafting there’s no guarantees, look at the Leafs, they had some excellent players they drafted but they were way too top heavy and didn’t build a balanced “team”.
I refuse to crap all over what they’re trying to accomplish just because I’m upset with the past, it hasn’t been good, but moving forward, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
I think the NHLPA will force the NHL’s hand in allowing these kids to get back to work. There’s no legal precedent to keep them out of the league.
The Flyers have never had to build exclusively through the draft, so the easy answer to that, is no, they’re not a gold standard. They built very good teams through trading. Post salary cap they’ve been slow learners though, realizing you can’t operate like you used to, you’ve gotta build through the draft.
Just give it time, Briere’s had five 1st rounders in the past three drafts, and seven 2nd rounders, some of these kids are going to hit. What happened before he came around, during the Scott years, is over and done with, time to look forward.
Anyone beyond round three is pretty much a “hope and a prayer”, but you never know. Without a third round pick we got six really good prospects in rounds 1 & 2, it’s gonna be three plus years before we find out what’s there in my opinion but a really good draft for the team. Lots to be happy about. Watching these kids grow and develop is all part of the fun.
You can see the direction the Flyers want to go in and it doesn’t weigh 165 pounds.
1) 6’5″ 225 lbs
2) 6’1″ 200 lbs
3) 6’2″ 210 lbs
4) 6’5″ 195 lbsLOVE IT!!!
I just enjoy watching dopes like you. pure entertainment. go flyers
I appreciate your support, thanks!! Let’s Go Flyers!!!
Today is the day you take a big swing on a player like Ryabkin.
He’s the 17th best player available, according to The Athletic writers.
17. Ivan Ryabkin, C, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)
April 25, 2007 | 5′ 11″ | 209 pounds
Tier: Projected to play NHL games
Skating: NHL average
Puck skills: Above NHL average
Hockey sense: NHL average
Compete: NHL average
Shot: Above NHL averageAnalysis: Ryabkin was an impactful player at the Russian junior level as a 16-year-old. He struggled in Russia this season, leading to a mid-year shift to the USHL, where he was great for Muskegon. He’s a very talented player. He has a ton of skill and ability to improvise with the puck. He sees the ice at a high level and makes difficult passes consistently. At times, he competes quite hard and looks to use his body to win pucks. His game has inconsistencies, though. Ryabkin can lose his temper and make bad decisions on the ice. He’s a good enough skater but his game can lack pace and his fitness is a minor issue, too. He has the potential to be a legit scoring winger in the NHL but it remains to be seen if he can round out his game enough to be that player.
