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This kid should be back in junior, it’ll be a wasted year for him down there but it’s better to work on his offense in junior than flail away with the Flyers playing 8 minutes a night.
Not a lot of action in here, understandably, given the Sabres constant poor situation. When will the hammer finally come down on management?
Marner had more career playoff points than Tavares, Matthews and Nylander. Marner would play against Florida’s #1 line and keep them in check. He kills penalties. He ran the PP (which has not turned to shit). He contributed to 3 GWGs vs Florida. He was perfectly fine being one of the main, core guys with big responsibility. The problem was the garbage that filled the rest of the roster. The Leafs refused to get rid of the garbage like Tavares, Rielly, Jarnkrok, Kampf etc. and refused to pay and retain an elite, two-way player then elected to replace him with 3rd and 4th liners. It won’t end well for the Leafs as this team is worse and won’t be getting better.
He’s probably gonna win a cup, and win the Conn Smythe, in Vegas his first year and rub Leafs fans and management’s noses in it so bad! 😂
Marner will be a good/important player on a team where all the focus isn’t on a group of four players to sink or die with. Vegas epitomizes a deep, balanced, big, heavy, experienced, team where everyone is a contributor and their systems play is more important than being carried by a small group of players. Just my outside opinion looking in.
Listen I will happily give Marner the credit he deserves. He’s a fantastic passer, he’s great defensively, and he reads the ice really really well. I live in London so I remember him in the OHL playing for The Knights. His speed and shot are decent but not great but nothing to frown against either. The only thing I never really liked about him is that he emotionally broke down routinely. So for him I think not playing hockey in southern Ontario is the best move since it’s non stop attention from the media and fanbase here. Look at the broadcast this past Saturday night, the next game had started yet they still were focused on the leafs drama during the intermissions, it’s absurd. Some players have no interest to play for a Canadian team, especially Toronto, for this kind of reason.
I mean look at this. If Marner was bumped down to the second line in Toronto the media and fanbase would explode even if it was a perfect fit (his production has shot up since it has happened) whereas in Vegas they speak positively about it. Some players just don’t have the mental ability to handle the crazy Toronto atmosphere and wouldn’t be shocked if Marner is one of them.
Be careful saying this for instance… congrats to JT for becoming just the 4th player in history to get to 500P for 2 different teams however it’s a pretty safe bet Marner is going to make that list now too. (Waits for arguments against that point of view lol)
Yeah, I fully get the intense media in Toronto when it comes to the Leafs. If you’re mentally weak at all, it’ll become an issue for you. My only counterpoint is, if the team was better constructed with depth and talent, as in not so top heavy, I don’t think the attention would be there, all on one player. Marner had 383 points in 302 games over the past four seasons, he also had 38 points in 38 playoff games, so he was earning his money. But he’s more of a complimentary player, he’s not gonna drive the bus in the playoffs, he’s gonna matter, but he’s not that type of guy to drive the bus all by himself, at least in my opinion, that’s on Leafs management for those expectations.
For years I’ve heard Shanny didn’t build a deep enough team for the playoffs, they’re a fun dynamic offensive team in the regular season, but they were never going to find success in the playoffs with their top heavy roster and their style of play. And that pretty much played out over the past seven years, where they got past the 1st round once. On top of that, I don’t think they’re better this year than they were last year, which is a problem, for y’all.
On another site I started chatting on a bit I saw a knights fan mention how he likes Marner because he’s a lot like Marchessault, the position that Marner has essentially taken over which has been a gap since Marchessault left for Nashville. I didn’t say anything because why would I but I looked some stuff up, yup, Marner is 0.3PPG more (averaging about an extra 25P) but he also costs $6.5 million more a year lol.
I get it now though, Marchessault is essentially JT’s age but it still made me smile. Vegas fans are already associating Marner to a 2nd line winger that cost half his price, they don’t do it out of anger, but they don’t think much of his game other than his offensive skill set.
Marner will be a good/important player on a team where all the focus isn’t on a group of four players to sink or die with. Vegas epitomizes a deep, balanced, big, heavy, experienced, team where everyone is a contributor and their systems play is more important than being carried by a small group of players. Just my outside opinion looking in.
great player. bland boring coach with a losing record.
what’s his track record with russian players?
Given the circumstances of the situations he’s agreed to step into, coaching wise, I think he’s done ok. Players seemingly love to play for him. Like most things in life, I’m sure he’s a better coach today than he was when he first started, that’s just a natural evolution for a person and a coach.
I still maintain, the absence of Tortorella has a lot to do with the uptick in the players GAF, and you’re seeing that in their play.
they have a team light schedule coming up as well. peeps gong to be peacocking around. cant wait to see it.
I’ve always been a Tocchet fan, as a player and a coach, obviously I don’t know him as a person, so if he has them overachieving by Christmas. You’d better believe I’m gonna be strutting around…LOL!
Top half and better balanced than most.
This year is starting to remind me a lot of the 07-08 team. By 2010, that team was in the finals.
Personally, I don’t see the resemblance to 07-08 and I certainly don’t see a Chris Pronger in their future. But ya never know…right!
revise this discussion at the Olympic break. way too early to make any conclusions.
what happens when the goalie reverts back to his career numbers? or even a small uptick.
Agree, it’s way too early, however, there is enough there to make me say….hmmmm???
I think they’ve been interesting all along. You could see it coming if you knew what you were looking at.
They are anything but interesting, they’re a lunch bucket group who need to have extremely strong goaltending and strong, strong, systems play to have any success. They do seem quicker from what I saw last night though, maybe that’s just a figment of my imagination. I think, for whatever that’s worth, the absence of Tortorella is a big contributing factor.
Lineup updates for #SEAvsPHI:
• Dan Vladar gets the start in net.
• Forwards Nikita Grebenkin and Jett Luchanko slot back into the lineup.
• Rodrigo Abols and Nick Deslauriers come out.Just stick with the process, if there is one? This team needs a few more bottom of the league finishes to acquire some actual top line talent, specifically at center. Couturier may become a good trade chip come Dec/Jan, if that’s something he’s willing to entertain.
Another strong performance by the mighty Flyers, limited a strong Wild team to just 16 shots against, that’s great systems play and “coaching101” right there! 🙂
not by design though. shear incompetence. thats the scary part once again
The how isn’t important right now, what matters is that they finish low, which they appear to be trending towards. Although it’s a small sample size. In four or five years when things start to turn around there’ll probably be different people in charge. Don’t get caught up in the small stuff, poor management, just be glad they finish at or near the bottom of the league.
