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Are those 2, guys you can currently build around to become cup contenders?
Neither are what anyone would call superstars but yes. You can continue to build a cup contending team around those guys. As an example, the last time the Flyers went to the finals, Richards was their 1C and his scoring numbers were never elite. A couple seasons he did hit 1 PPG. Up to that season, Kimmo had been their #1 Dman. A fine Dman but they went out and added Pronger and got to the finals that year. I’m not a big fan of “the core isn’t good enough” argument. The core is what you’ve got and the Flyers have plenty of holes and question marks before even worrying about if the 1C and 1D are good enough.
Then why aren’t the flyers building around those 2?
Konecny and Sanheim are both excellent players. You don’t get chosen to the Canadian national team by being not good. The issue the Flyers have is building around the spotty good they do have.[/quote]
Are those 2, guys you can currently build around to become cup contenders?
Top 20 drafted NHL goalie prospects ranking: Askarov, Fowler lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Zavragin ranked #17
- Top-10
1. Askarov
2. Fowler
3. Augustine
4. Yegorov
5. Ravensbergen
6. Andreyanov
7. Levi
8. Cossa
9. Hrabal
10. IvankovicI have been banging the Fowler drum for years
LVK: Nobody fits. Might want to check again. Same with the blues off top of my head
It is cute to see peeps still defend the flyers. Never gets old.
What have the flyers done to give you confidence they can get out of this decade plus hole they have dug?
Specifics please. Not sure discussing how Cup winners are actually built in the NHL, not in some fantasy hockey league is defending the Flyers, but OK.
Over the last couple seasons, they’ve taken steps towards building what wins in the NHL not what some Ice Capades fans think wins in the NHL.
They have taken no steps. Wheels keep spinning. They love fans like you. Go flyers
My bad all those big guys they just drafted will help fill the bottom 6 in 4 years
Still no potential #1 D or center on system. Can argue goalie as well
LVK: Nobody fits. Might want to check again. Same with the blues off top of my head
It is cute to see peeps still defend the flyers. Never gets old.
What have the flyers done to give you confidence they can get out of this decade plus hole they have dug?
Finished last in conf. Facts don’t back that up
The Flyers finished last in the league in 06-07 by 11 points and made the conference finals the next year. That’s not going to happen this year, but I just mention it in passing. In 24-25, MTL improved 15 points and OTT improved 19 points over 23-24.
The Flyers will be significantly better this year. Do you think they’ll be worse? How come?
None of that has any bearing on you saying: The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
Please define significantly better.
They may be marginally better. From 4th worse to 8th. Is that really progress?
There are five teams in the conference that are already playoff locks: FLA, CAR, TOR, WSH, TB. The Flyers are light years away from being better than those teams. The rest of the conference is not that great. MTL, on paper, looks improved. NYR will get a boost from roster moves and Sullivan . . . or not. OTT ran a nice end season hot streak into the playoffs. NJ isn’t the team of the future as some predicted. The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
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Unfortunately, the Flyers offered no proof of that last season.
Finished last in conf. Facts don’t back that up
Top 100 drafted NHL prospects ranking: Schaefer, Misa, Demidov lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Martone ranked #9 (4th-best from ’25 draft)
Bonk ranked #45 (Perreault ranked #13)
Luchanko ranked #54 (Buium ranked #5)- Top-10
#1 Schaefer
#2 Misa
#3 Demidov
#4 Parekh
#5 Buium
#6 Dickinson
#7 Levshunov
#8 Hagens
#9 Martone
#10 Cattonseeing how bad the flyers have been over the years. word is they only have 3 in the top 100. that isnt all that good. any idea what the rest of the teams in the division look like.
1.the flyers need to add top end talent. first and foremost. once again the flyers are chasing their tail trying to emulate the current trend. Their is no payoff and wont be for years, if at all.
2. they still need a goalie. there is likely to be no payoff with vlader. not addressed in my eye.
3. they didnt and their is no payoff. they added a fn 6/7th dman at best.
4. agree.
5. doesn’t matter at this stage.
6. there is no logjam at center in any way.
1. Well, yeah but that doesn’t happen in one off season. The hope is obviously they added two TE talents in Zegras and Martone and already have three in Konecny, Michkov and Sanheim. I think a player can also be a top end talent in his role which can expand the definition a little. Cup winners have that.
2. We can just hope for the best that Vladar delivers what they need. His numbers don’t look bad except for games played. The Flyers might need him for 50 games. It is what it is now.
3. Todd Rierden will turn them all into Norris candidates. He’s that good a coach. What else can I say there?
4. What???!!!
5. When you’re trying to win hockey games in the best league in the world, every aspect of game play matters.
6. There’s already speculation from credible sources somebody will have to flip to wing. You heard it first from me here but scoffed. That’s without penciling in Luchanko and Nesbitt. There’s still a good chance Luchanko gets some games in this year. Nesbitt, of course, is a good two years away.
Pre-season optimism tells me the Flyers could be a bubble team and with some breaks sneak in. Only 91 points got teams in last year, so adding 15 points gets them there. On the down side, it usually takes 95-96 points to get in. The bottom of the conference sagged badly last year and the very top teams scooped up more points than usual. Lots of confounding factors. I just want to see entertaining hockey this year.
1. zegras is not top end talent and marone hasn tplayed 1 nhl game as of yet. jumpong the gun a tad. hope and “ifs” the flyers mantra
2. vlader’s past play shows he is unlikley to deliver.
3. next brad shaw.
5. whats more important, developing zegras as a top 6 center or winning a few more games? not sayin dont use ex selke or dvorak in some situations. let zegras do it. see if he can handle it as better to fin out now than next season.
6. again no logjam at all. dvorak will likely play wing more than cates.
you say only need to make up 15 points or a tad more. they would have to pass 8 teams. you also dont accpunt for other teams being better. playoffs are an unrealistic goal imo.
