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Don’t think they have taken the right approach at all
Can’t rebuild something that was never built. Flyers are so far away from cup contention it is sad.
Some of those grades are generous to me.
“but the difficult work is in the rearview mirror for Briere”
How the hell is the difficult work in the rear view mirror.
Don’t think they have taken the right approach at all
What exactly would the right approach be? Give me 3 to 5 really bad decisions made since Briere took over at GM.
Ranked 6th out of how many rebuilds? Either way, his grades seem overly generous for a team that finished last in their division, and here’s why I think that way…
Overall Rebuild Grade B What exactly has been rebuilt? I still don’t see a heck of a lot of high-end talent in the pipeline. You’d think finishing outside the playoffs each of the past 4 seasons would have netted a couple of exciting prospects, but alas, there’s only Porter Martone to show for their woes.
Overall Roster C+ This may be the only realistic grade on this list, though I’d drop it just based on the below-average defense and the abysmal goaltending.
Prospect Pool A- This one puzzles me. With the exception of Michkov (who’s already on the NHL roster) and Martone falling into their laps, where does such a high rating come from? There’s no top defenseman nor is there a top center in the system, and we all know the Flyers goaltending prospects have been mostly disappointing for 3 1/2 decades now.
Head Coach & General Manager B Really don’t get this one either. The trades Briere has made have pretty much been no-brainers. There are other trades he should have made, but like the two GMs before him, there just doesn’t seem to be any creativity in trying to improve the roster with the few assets that could fetch something of significance (more than late round draft picks) in return. And don’t get me started on continuing the tradition of making the “safe pick” (outside of Michkov & Martone, has there been any attempt to swing for the fences?). As for the HC, where’s the hot goaltender to bail him out? Tocchet’s record without one is more of what the Flyers have experienced over the past 4 seasons. A .448 career winning percentage is not overly inspiring to me (and don’t use the “bad teams” excuse because that’s what he’s inheriting in Philly).
I’ve watched this team for far too long to think they’re setting themselves up for success right now. All I’m seeing is an unwillingness to learn from the repeated mistakes of the past decade.
Ranked 6th out of how many rebuilds? Either way, his grades seem overly generous for a team that finished last in their division, and here’s why I think that way…
Overall Rebuild Grade B What exactly has been rebuilt? I still don’t see a heck of a lot of high-end talent in the pipeline. You’d think finishing outside the playoffs each of the past 4 seasons would have netted a couple of exciting prospects, but alas, there’s only Porter Martone to show for their woes.
Overall Roster C+ This may be the only realistic grade on this list, though I’d drop it just based on the below-average defense and the abysmal goaltending.
Prospect Pool A- This one puzzles me. With the exception of Michkov (who’s already on the NHL roster) and Martone falling into their laps, where does such a high rating come from? There’s no top defenseman nor is there a top center in the system, and we all know the Flyers goaltending prospects have been mostly disappointing for 3 1/2 decades now.
Head Coach & General Manager B Really don’t get this one either. The trades Briere has made have pretty much been no-brainers. There are other trades he should have made, but like the two GMs before him, there just doesn’t seem to be any creativity in trying to improve the roster with the few assets that could fetch something of significance (more than late round draft picks) in return. And don’t get me started on continuing the tradition of making the “safe pick” (outside of Michkov & Martone, has there been any attempt to swing for the fences?). As for the HC, where’s the hot goaltender to bail him out? Tocchet’s record without one is more of what the Flyers have experienced over the past 4 seasons. A .448 career winning percentage is not overly inspiring to me (and don’t use the “bad teams” excuse because that’s what he’s inheriting in Philly).
I’ve watched this team for far too long to think they’re setting themselves up for success right now. All I’m seeing is an unwillingness to learn from the repeated mistakes of the past decade.
agree with solid points.
Don’t think they have taken the right approach at all
What exactly would the right approach be? Give me 3 to 5 really bad decisions made since Briere took over at GM.
They are the gold standard. team is in pretty much the same spot since boy wonder took over.
They are the gold standard. team is in pretty much the same spot since boy wonder took over.
Sarcasm Monday! Hahahaha! They dodged a bullet when Krug nixed the Sanheim deal. They’d be even worse if that went down. Not sure what the thinking was. Aside from that, things haven’t been flashy, not like the bold strikes Holmgren made even when he took over as GM mid-season 06-07. That turnaround was astonishing, they were in the finals in three years. That’s clearly not happening here but I do see some fundamental things being done right.
Sarcasm Monday! Hahahaha! They dodged a bullet when Krug nixed the Sanheim deal. They’d be even worse if that went down. Not sure what the thinking was. Aside from that, things haven’t been flashy, not like the bold strikes Holmgren made even when he took over as GM mid-season 06-07. That turnaround was astonishing, they were in the finals in three years. That’s clearly not happening here but I do see some fundamental things being done right.
The proposed Krug deal is yet another reminder of the Flyers Front Office giving the appearance they’re not really doing their homework. How many injured players have they traded for/tried to trade for in the past 5 seasons? It’s a recurring theme at this point, and yet another reason they Flyers do not get (nor do they deserve) the benefit of the doubt from me.
Out of curiosity, what are these “fundamental things being done right?”
The proposed Krug deal is yet another reminder of the Flyers Front Office giving the appearance they’re not really doing their homework. How many injured players have they traded for/tried to trade for in the past 5 seasons? It’s a recurring theme at this point, and yet another reason they Flyers do not get (nor do they deserve) the benefit of the doubt from me.
Out of curiosity, what are these “fundamental things being done right?”
The trade deadline deals have been good. Got them picks they’ve turned into young, bigger tougher to play against forwards through the draft. The Flyers haven’t, overall, been a tough team to play against. They’re addressing the obvious needs at center with deals that brought in Zegras and Dvorak.
They are the gold standard. team is in pretty much the same spot since boy wonder took over.
Sarcasm Monday! Hahahaha! They dodged a bullet when Krug nixed the Sanheim deal. They’d be even worse if that went down. Not sure what the thinking was. Aside from that, things haven’t been flashy, not like the bold strikes Holmgren made even when he took over as GM mid-season 06-07. That turnaround was astonishing, they were in the finals in three years. That’s clearly not happening here but I do see some fundamental things being done right.
24th on goals, 28th GAA, 29th differential, PP 30th, PK% 20th, s/gp 28th, sv% 32nd. They lost 500 SOG last year from the previous year.
The Flyers were not a good puck possession team last year. Their metrics show they deserve to be a bottom feeder team. The best thing you can say about them is that their historically bad PP (and they are in the record books for being the worst in the league for 3 years straight) is no longer the worst, just god awful. The fundamentals you speak of, don’t exist. It’s the dreaded “eye test” i guess.
A real GM would’ve fired Rocky. There was literally nobody worse in the league and he was untouchable. Hell Torts was only let go after Torts crossed the line with York and then told the world that he had no interest in coaching another game for the team. Even then DB lamented how much he wanted Torts back.
Briere made many many mistakes from the Gauthier debacle (regardless of how people feel about CB, the Flyers were bush league in how they demonized the kid). To the Flyers not realizing the difference between man-to-man defense vs zone when they evaluated/traded for Drysdale. To allowing Torts to dictate that the Phantoms can do whatever the hell they want system wise because he dgaf. Bribing Fedotov to come over with a large NHL contract, Kolosov handling, goalie handling in general.
The mistakes are legion and that’s just a few. Last season was a poopshow from start to finish but DB didn’t do much until Torts forced his hand publicly. How many other teams in the NHL intentionally start the season shorthanded on defense? Others have mentioned more. We’d be here all day if we listed everything.
They are the gold standard. team is in pretty much the same spot since boy wonder took over.
Sarcasm Monday! Hahahaha! They dodged a bullet when Krug nixed the Sanheim deal. They’d be even worse if that went down. Not sure what the thinking was. Aside from that, things haven’t been flashy, not like the bold strikes Holmgren made even when he took over as GM mid-season 06-07. That turnaround was astonishing, they were in the finals in three years. That’s clearly not happening here but I do see some fundamental things being done right.
24th on goals, 28th GAA, 29th differential, PP 30th, PK% 20th, s/gp 28th, sv% 32nd. They lost 500 SOG last year from the previous year.
The Flyers were not a good puck possession team last year. Their metrics show they deserve to be a bottom feeder team. The best thing you can say about them is that their historically bad PP (and they are in the record books for being the worst in the league for 3 years straight) is no longer the worst, just god awful. The fundamentals you speak of, don’t exist. It’s the dreaded “eye test” i guess.
A real GM would’ve fired Rocky. There was literally nobody worse in the league and he was untouchable. Hell Torts was only let go after Torts crossed the line with York and then told the world that he had no interest in coaching another game for the team. Even then DB lamented how much he wanted Torts back.
Briere made many many mistakes from the Gauthier debacle (regardless of how people feel about CB, the Flyers were bush league in how they demonized the kid). To the Flyers not realizing the difference between man-to-man defense vs zone when they evaluated/traded for Drysdale. To allowing Torts to dictate that the Phantoms can do whatever the hell they want system wise because he dgaf. Bribing Fedotov to come over with a large NHL contract, Kolosov handling, goalie handling in general.
The mistakes are legion and that’s just a few. Last season was a poopshow from start to finish but DB didn’t do much until Torts forced his hand publicly. How many other teams in the NHL intentionally start the season shorthanded on defense? Others have mentioned more. We’d be here all day if we listed everything.
this does not get mentioned at all. he flat out said he wanted to bring him back.
24th on goals, 28th GAA, 29th differential, PP 30th, PK% 20th, s/gp 28th, sv% 32nd. They lost 500 SOG last year from the previous year.
The Flyers were not a good puck possession team last year. Their metrics show they deserve to be a bottom feeder team. The best thing you can say about them is that their historically bad PP (and they are in the record books for being the worst in the league for 3 years straight) is no longer the worst, just god awful. The fundamentals you speak of, don’t exist. It’s the dreaded “eye test” i guess.
A real GM would’ve fired Rocky. There was literally nobody worse in the league and he was untouchable. Hell Torts was only let go after Torts crossed the line with York and then told the world that he had no interest in coaching another game for the team. Even then DB lamented how much he wanted Torts back.
Briere made many many mistakes from the Gauthier debacle (regardless of how people feel about CB, the Flyers were bush league in how they demonized the kid). To the Flyers not realizing the difference between man-to-man defense vs zone when they evaluated/traded for Drysdale. To allowing Torts to dictate that the Phantoms can do whatever the hell they want system wise because he dgaf. Bribing Fedotov to come over with a large NHL contract, Kolosov handling, goalie handling in general.
The mistakes are legion and that’s just a few. Last season was a poopshow from start to finish but DB didn’t do much until Torts forced his hand publicly. How many other teams in the NHL intentionally start the season shorthanded on defense? Others have mentioned more. We’d be here all day if we listed everything.
It’s not like I think Briere has been mistake free. Gauthier, seems like they overpaid and overcommitted to Tippett, the late season nonsense with Torts. At least you’re naming them and I added one myself. You can’t redo Gauthier, overpaying a guy who has proven he can play isn’t the worst thing in the world and Torts and Thompson are gone . . . replaced with what looks to me like upgrades. Where are the downgrades?
It’s not like I think Briere has been mistake free. Gauthier, seems like they overpaid and overcommitted to Tippett, the late season nonsense with Torts. At least you’re naming them and I added one myself. You can’t redo Gauthier, overpaying a guy who has proven he can play isn’t the worst thing in the world and Torts and Thompson are gone . . . replaced with what looks to me like upgrades. Where are the downgrades?
The question was fundamentals and mistakes. If Tippett doesn’t bounce back this year that contract is an anchor and that is a very bad thing. Does anyone think he is anything other than a one dimensional player? Risto is still a flyer. They badly whiffed on evaluating Drysdale (and admitted it eventually) and time will tell but they probably set the team back several years in not drafting Buium who was and is currently predicted to be a #1 dman. One of the cornerstones the Flyers never seem to find but often lament. Also Bonk over Perrault, etc. Maybe the Flyers will ultimately prove to be the smartest guys in the room and not just some guy who took a night course but i have a bridge to sell you if you think that.
Downgrades? No place to go but up with the coaching staff and organizational philosophy but do you trust the color commentator and DB to know which direction is up? Tocchet is in theory a big upgrade but his winning % is something like .488 when he doesn’t have that alpha goalie (hint : the Flyers do not have that alpha goalie) and once again, they decided to take on the bad optics of hiring yet another exflyer. At least the AHL coach is an actual coach and not just an out of work exflyer enforcer.
The question was fundamentals and mistakes. If Tippett doesn’t bounce back this year that contract is an anchor and that is a very bad thing. Does anyone think he is anything other than a one dimensional player? RR is still a flyer. They badly whiffed on evaluating Drysdale (and admitted it eventually) and time will tell but they probably set the team back several years in not drafting Buium who was and is currently predicted to be a #1 dman. One of the cornerstones the Flyers never seem to find but often lament. Also Bonk over Perrault, etc. Maybe the Flyers will ultimately prove to be the smartest guys in the room and not just some guy who took a night course but i have a bridge to sell you if you think that.
Downgrades? No place to go but up with the coaching staff and organizational philosophy but do you trust the color commentator and DB to know which direction is up? Tocchet is in theory a big upgrade but his winning % is something like .488 when he doesn’t have that alpha goalie (hint : the Flyers do not have that alpha goalie) and once again, they decided to take on the bad optics of hiring yet another exflyer. At least the AHL coach is an actual coach and not just an out of work exflyer enforcer.
So your main gripe is the Flyers could have drafted better, not that they didn’t get players. Luchanko and Bonk appear to be future solid players even if they weren’t the best players available. Buium and Perrault are smallish. I’ll take my chances with Bonk and Luchanko and building a harder to play against team. Most of your complaints seem to be hypothetical, about a future that hasn’t happened. None of them, some of them, most of them or all of them could pan out. I have my own too. We seem to agree on the Drysdale problem. There’s so much negativity here, it tends to distract me from my own gripes and concerns.
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