2025 Draft thread

Out of these players who will realistically be available at 6, who does everyone prefer?

Hagens
Frondell
O’Brien
Martone
McQueen
Martin
Desnoyers

I say realistically because I have seen numerous drafts where any one of these players falls to six.

I think if Hagens is there he needs to be the guy. You cant turn down that kind of skill.

Would you take Hagans or Desnoyers Bill if that option is there?

I simply cant agree with the podcast and his view on Martin. Saying he will sacrifice the “fluff points” and drag his team to victory. Sure that kind of thing is great if you already have other players who can score. Martin is the kind of guy you add to put you over the top. The last bit of grit added to the mix, not the guy you pick at #6 when you need pure skill at center.

I hope it will be Hagens, but I feel the pick will be O’Brien. Torts was all about forwards who could skate. Was that an organizational view or a Torts view? hagens is the clear choice, it would be awful to see him fall to BOS.

Skill is nice, but I will take a hardworking player with some size and skillall day, everyday.
It appears to be the way the 2 time champions Panthers, also prefer.

Skill is nice, but I will take a hardworking player with some size and skill all day, everyday.
It appears to be the way the 2 time champions Panthers, also prefer.

Yeah. SKILL being the operative word here. The Flyers haven’t won anything in 50 years because they don’t prioritize skill over any other trait. Florida has size but they also have tons of skill.

Yeah. SKILL being the operative word here. The Flyers haven’t won anything in 50 years because they don’t prioritize skill over any other trait. Florida has size but they also have tons of skill.

hope they take the safe 200 ft player as can never have enough of those.

I would argue the Flyers have not won in 50 years because of lack of evaluation for goaltending. Clarke believed the team could carry a goaltender and was more dependent on the team in front of him. Cats have a stud in goal and dedicated the cap space to secure his services. Been a very long time since the Flyers have played a goaltender who was even a fringe Vezina candidate. The position present day looks bleak and with some hope way into the future. I hope there is more to the plan.

I hope Briere does not bypass Hagens because of lack of size. If the organization has an abundance of small forwards, just trade the small forwards who are not as good as Hagens for other assets. I cannot fathom not drafting Hagens because the Flyers already have Brink, Barkey, Michkov, and TK in the organization. Draft prospects who have a realistic chance to be elite.

I would argue the Flyers have not won in 50 years because of lack of evaluation for goaltending. Clarke believed the team could carry a goaltender and was more dependent on the team in front of him. Cats have a stud in goal and dedicated the cap space to secure his services. Been a very long time since the Flyers have played a goaltender who was even a fringe Vezina candidate. The position present day looks bleak and with some hope way into the future. I hope there is more to the plan.

I hope Briere does not bypass Hagens because of lack of size. If the organization has an abundance of small forwards, just trade the small forwards who are not as good as Hagens for other assets. I cannot fathom not drafting Hagens because the Flyers already have Brink, Barkey, Michkov, and TK in the organization. Draft prospects who have a realistic chance to be elite.

it isnt just one thing. it is cumulative. goalie a big part of it. Sadly when you look at who the flyers lost too, they were fn dynasties. Doesn’t excuse the loss mind you.

Briere has loved Hagans for 2 years. Thinks he can be the #1 franchise center. Do not think that has changed. No can they get him? What’s mind boggling knowing he loves him so much they didn’t put themselves in the best position to draft him.

I just do not trust the flyers drafting war room. After the #6 I think they are going to go for size size and more size with other picks. Even though they are years away. I want them to take risk to get high end talent not the safe will play in the nhl type.

outside of MM and TK those other small players are bit parts who you should have problem moving on from at any time.

I agree it does look bleak for the next 4-5 years. unless 100% luck falls their way.

If the Flyers want to now copy FLA by getting significantly bigger, then why focus on speed earlier in the Briere era? The Panthers are at best an average skating speed team. Briere traded one of his best assets in the organization (Gauthier) for a small Dman. Re signed a small forward long term in TK. Only 1st round pick he has selected over 6’0 ft tall Bonk. I like O’Brien over Desnoyers, it is close. There is a gap for me with Hagens above those two.

All that being written, it would be quite a moment if Briere goes with McQueen for the ultimate boom or bust pick.

If the Flyers want to now copy FLA by getting significantly bigger, then why focus on speed earlier in the Briere era? The Panthers are at best an average skating speed team. Briere traded one of his best assets in the organization (Gauthier) for a small Dman. Re signed a small forward long term in TK. Only 1st round pick he has selected over 6’0 ft tall Bonk. I like O’Brien over Desnoyers, it is close. There is a gap for me with Hagens above those two.

All that being written, it would be quite a moment if Briere goes with McQueen for the ultimate boom or bust pick. — Trox88

Simple answer… they Flyers have a long-standing habit of chasing Cups that have already been won. It’s the main reason why they’ve lacked identity for so long.

While I get that every league is a copy-cat league, the Flyers seem to take it to extremes. We want to emulate the Blues. We need speedy guys. We need guys that can skate. We’re suddenly too small and need to get bigger. It’s hard to have a plan for success when what you want to be changes every year.

A franchise that once set the trend now chases every trend, yet can’t figure out why success eludes them.

I do believe Briere will use at least 5 of those 7 picks in the first two rounds for prospects. Some of those picks can be stashed in Europe as they develop- KHL in particular. Two MHL goalies are ranked in this draft class- Andraeyanov and Frolov. Kurban Limatov is a LHD with good size in the MHL also.

What are your thoughts on Roger McQueen and whether he’s worth the 6th overall pick? Just reading what people on TSN and others with knowledge have said about him, he’s got tremendous upside. I love his size, but my fear is the injury history. Doing drills at the combine is one thing. Getting through an entire season healthy is another.

Why the concern about being a late birthday? Wouldn’t that be a positive?

He is younger than Jet by a 6 weeks. Don’t see that being a bad thing. Though get what you are saying.

Flyers need potential difference makers over safe players at this time. Whether he is a diff maker who knows. Taking the next 3rd line player won’t help much going forward to me.

They need to hit a home run no matter the pick. That is a fact. Anything less more staying in the same spot they have occupied for years.

danny is the hardest working gm in all of sports. he will do something.

This is probably the most excited I’ve been as a Flyers fan in quite some time. This could be the start of something really good for this organization. What is it, seven picks in the first two rounds? That’s an unbelievable opportunity. Not to mention, they have an extra first rounder in 2027 as well.

flyers on the path to the cup. 3 years away from being 3 years away

So Briere was in Miami to personally scout the Russian prospect hopefuls. Feel pretty good about my prediction on him using at least 5 of his first 7 picks. Very confident he will draft one of the Russian goalies. In the future, the player will only sign the ELC when he is NHL ready. Russian players just are not interested in playing in the AHL for long periods of time. Need to learn from the Kolosov experience and not make the same mistake twice.

not trying to be a whiner but the site is unusable on mobile. ads take up 4/5 of the screen and it logs you out whenever you try to use the forums. quite literally only works on desktop.

Can you imagine, if they make all seven picks in rounds one and two. I can’t think of any franchise who’s done something like that in recent memory. Even Bill Armstrong and the Coyotes organization didn’t amass that many picks in any one draft, although, in 2021 – 2022 – 2023 they drafted six times in the round one and six times in round two. This could change the direction of the franchise if they hit on even half of these picks.

lest say they use all 7. whats the odds they hit on half?

how are you defining “hit”?

flhar wasn’t very good in minny and so far doesn’t look to hot here in philly. I have very little faith. what you hope is they don’t fuck it up at #6 as that will once again set them back numerous years.

I have a feeling they will not be taking BPA. They are going to focus on size, despite these players being years away.

Going to be really hard to pass on Hagens or Martone at #6 if available. I like O’Brien just feel he is a notch below those two as a prospect. With all of these picks, would not be opposed to drafting 2 goalies in this draft. I do expect some trades before the draft. Let’s hope the Flyers are involved. If the Shabanov rumors are true, certainly a glut of wingers on the roster and at LV.

Shabanov would be a low risk potential high/solid reward. What I wonder and I assume the answer is yes, do they guarantee him a spot on the NHL roster?

there is a glut of wingers, volume wise, one would assume they have to move out a few; it will be brink IMO (unless a player is hurt and hasn’t been announced yet…..). Also leaves no room for a Bump or the like if he has an outstanding camp. Which I am ok with.

My desktop is logging me out and won’t let me reply to some topics either, I don’t know what’s going on but there are some serious “glitches” with this site??? — Flyers4Ever

I had the same issue a few weeks ago. I simply cleared my recent history and haven’t had that problem since.

lest say they use all 7. whats the odds they hit on half?

how are you defining “hit”?

flhar wasn’t very good in minny and so far doesn’t look to hot here in philly. I have very little faith. what you hope is they don’t fuck it up at #6 as that will once again set them back numerous years.

I have a feeling they will not be taking BPA. They are going to focus on size, despite these players being years away. — yes its me 2050

While I don’t believe his job is in any sort of danger as of right now, does Briere have enough cache to use all 7 picks and kick the can down the road another 3-5 years, especially when this is considered to be a weak draft?

My problem with the scouting department is finding talent that has the hockey IQ to play well at the NHL level. We’ve had a lot of guys over the past decade who are adept at making bad decisions on the ice… and whether it’s a coaching/development issue, or the kid just doesn’t have it between the ears, it’s something that needs to be improved upon (and that goes for players acquired via trade, too).

While I don’t believe his job is in any sort of danger as of right now, does Briere have enough cache to use all 7 picks and kick the can down the road another 3-5 years, especially when this is considered to be a weak draft?

My problem with the scouting department is finding talent that has the hockey IQ to play well at the NHL level. We’ve had a lot of guys over the past decade who are adept at making bad decisions on the ice… and whether it’s a coaching/development issue, or the kid just doesn’t have it between the ears, it’s something that needs to be improved upon (and that goes for players acquired via trade, too).

I wonder how many off seasons he will get. this will be the 3rd with next to no progress so far. this weak draft is what the flyers were promoting as franchise altering!!!!

coaching/drafting/development all have been issues.

How about Rocky getting the isles AHL head coach job!!! Speaking of which who will be the LHV coach? as seems odd they haven’t named anyone yet

After the Zegras acquisition, if Martone is available @ 6, I have a hard time justifying taking O’Brien over him because of organizational depth issues at center. Flyers are missing a power forward and Martone fits that bill.

After the Zegras acquisition, if Martone is available @ 6, I have a hard time justifying taking O’Brien over him because of organizational depth issues at center. Flyers are missing a power forward and Martone fits that bill.

Yea that Zegras trade gives us A LOT more flexibility to take the BPA regardless of position

I wonder how many off seasons he will get. this will be the 3rd with next to no progress so far. this weak draft is what the flyers were promoting as franchise altering!!!!

coaching/drafting/development all have been issues.

How about Rocky getting the isles AHL head coach job!!! Speaking of which who will be the LHV coach? as seems odd they haven’t named anyone yet — yes its me 2050

Hadn’t seen that. I can’t imagine looking at the Flyers offense the past 3 seasons and saying “man, that’s exactly what we need to run our AHL affiliate.”

You would think. I would say it will be interesting who takes who now. Not sure if I would take Porter over Hagens or Frondel though.

You take the BPA

With Briere’s comments at the Zegras press conference, get the sense he wants to make 3 1st round picks. Just my hunch.

Rumors starting to fly that Frondell will be the pick @ 2 for SJ. Always surprises how the top 5 shakes out, which could be beneficial to the Flyers.

Read on social media, Myrtetus on Sirius mentioned the Flyers had Hagens in to visit Voorhees. I’m all for drafting Hagens if he drops to #6, no doubt.

Marek suggests if PHI or BOS trades up, it will be for Brady Martin. Everybody looking for the next Sam Bennett apparently. I would assume Utah @ 4 would be the only possible pick in the top 5 in play to be traded.

Bill Meltzer wrote:

They weren’t able to schedule something in Buffalo, apparently, so they met in Voorhees. I don’t think it’s quite the same as Michkov situation. Also, trust me, if it was vital that it not leak, it wouldn’t have. The Michkov visit was under tight control.

I appreciate the insight. Either way, I hope they get the pick @ 6 correct. I doubt the plan going forward is to pick this high again, unless something really goes sideways. My personal bias is I believe Hagens has the best chance to be a 1st line forward out of a trio- Martin, O’Brien, or Hagens. I would be surprised if the regime chooses Martin over those two, but I hope to be pleasantly surprised if it happens. My assumption is based upon the fact they have an abundance of scoring wingers, so I would assume Briere would covet a center with a track record of playmaking. Out of the three, it appears Martin is a better shooter then passer.

Trox88 wrote:

Marek suggests if PHI or BOS trades up, it will be for Brady Martin. Everybody looking for the next Sam Bennett apparently. I would assume Utah @ 4 would be the only possible pick in the top 5 in play to be traded.

oh please don’t give up anything for Martin. Just acquire players like him when you’re ready for the cup run

I’m far from a scouting expert, but I think it is fair to point out Mike Richards at Kitchener in his first 2 seasons had significant more production then Brady Martin At Soo. Richards showed an ability to be a much more consistent play maker then Martin. I believe there is some debate whether Martin should stay at center with his playing style and ability to shoot. I just go back to this draft pick @ 6 will probably be the highest draft pick this regime will pick unless something really goes wrong. The more likely outcome is if the Flyers select again this high, another GM will be in place. Briere has to select a forward who he believes can be a first line player. Now in the end, he may believe that is the case for Martin. I would find it perplexing if Hagens or Marrtone on the board, Briere believes Martin has the higher chance to be a first line forward.

Let’s just say the Mike Richards comparisons pan out…. you build contending teams WITH that sort of player. LA might still have won their Cups without him (although he certainly helped). Martin isn’t my first preference but I won’t be upset if he’s the pick.

We could also say the same for the other draftees tho… like what if Frondell actually becomes Barkov, or Desnoyers actually becomes Bergeron, McQueen actually becomes Getzlaf, O’Brien actually becomes Yzerman, or Martone becomes a Tkachuk… wouldn’t any of those be more fundamental building blocks to a winning team than a “Mike Richards/Sam Bennett”?

Of course we know that it’s unlikely that ANY of those kids will reach those kinds of heights.

The Flyers NEED to swing for top-end talent and I don’t believe anybody sees Brady Martin having much of a chance at being a top of the lineup type of player.

You in AC Bill?

It is funny to read Darche is doing all he can to get another high 1st round pick including moving Dobson to draft Hagens. Yet, a lot of chatter how Hagens is going to drop in the draft because of “reasons”. I wonder which team is supporting that narrative for Hagens right now, It would be great to see Briere swoop in and take Hagens.

Latest 32 thoughts, Friedman shared to the potential top 4 picks from a source he really trusts.

1. Schaefer
2. Misa
3. Frondell
4. Desnoyers

Not a surprise, that Briere will have 1 of Hagens or Martone to take @ 6. May be just a coincidence of smokescreen the late meetings for both prospects by the Flyers. Would be so thrilled with either prospect.

An historic day in Philadelphia Flyers history, I can’t wait to see how it plays out. We need a big skilled center, so I hope that’s who they grab.

historic day lol…good lord

DRAFT DAY! LETS GO

yes its me 2050 wrote:

historic day lol…good lord

LOL – just let me have an exciting day, love the draft and the fact the Flyers have FINALLY put some stock into using it.

LOL – just let me have an exciting day, love the draft and the fact the Flyers have FINALLY put some stock into using it. — Flyers4Ever

Let’s just hope they are able to find quality in their quantity, and most importantly, be able to develop it.

Link wasn’t loading this works: https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/meltzer-s-2025-first-round-mock-draft

Meltzer’s Mock Draft

If it’s between Martone, O’Brien or Hagens, I’m taking O’Brien. He’s insanely skilled and creative… and he’s got a size advantage over Hagens.

Would you guys take Ritchie, and the Islanders later 1st round picks for 6th?

Here – We – Go!! 🙂

Would you guys take Ritchie, and the Islanders later 1st round picks for 6th?

I really hope Flahr doesn’t convince Danny to do something like that. Trading back was a mistake in the York draft. Just take BPA and don’t get cute.

Only the NHL can make a draft this overcomplicated and cringe…

Briere needs to get his Russian prospect later on tonight

Martone gotta really think some wings getting traded. Can he play center?

This draft format is crap. ????

They need centers so
Let’s draft a winger. They can not get out of their own way

Corduroy wrote:

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”font-size: 15px !important; transition: all;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>They need centers so
Let’s draft a winger. They can not get out of their own way

He was probably the BPA what can you ask for?

They need centers so
Let’s draft a winger. They can not get out of their own way

lol you’d be whining that they picked based on need and not BPA

you sound ridiculous

He was probably the BPA what can you ask for?

They got one of the top-5 players in the draft at pick #6. Gotta be happy with that.

As much as I like McQueen and O’Brien, I wouldn’t have picked them over Martone.

Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Foerster-Couturier-Konecny
Martone-Luchanko-Tippett

These lines look fine.

Whoa

Nesbitt?

6’5 center kid looks like a monster

Nesbitt?

Gonna be a hell of a battle between Luch, Berglund and Nesbitt for 3C of the future.

Tomahawk wrote:

Nesbitt?

Gonna be a hell of a battle between Luch, Berglund and Nesbitt for 3C of the future.

looks like we are gonna have some hard working guys at center and put all the skill at wing.

The Icelanders are loading up. What a draft for them.

This team sucks

When these clowns have shown themselves to be incompetent gaslighters over and over again…..believe them

*and i dont mind the Porter pick or Zegras trade*

no complaints with martone pick at all ( do they try him at center?). no issue at all.

trading the 2 late 1st to move up no problem. Taking nesbitt is very very questionable. dont like it at all. seems like the laughtchenko move. not high ceiling guys. flyers love taking 3rd line centers early in the draft. No way was Nesbitt the BPA. seems like an overpay. 

how many potential 3rd line center do the flyers have in their system now?

watching “jonesy” grin like he is the smartest man in the room is pure entertainment. flyers always have to flyer at some point.

why are the talking points about a player the flyers draft rarely about his talent and skill? oh he is big, he is strong, and the like.

another big guy with skating issues.

do lobe the typical flyers cliché from “jonesy”: “he looks like a flyer”. what does that mean? he is a loser?

MBFlyerfan1 wrote:

yes its me 2050 wrote:

why are the talking points about a player the flyers draft rarely about his talent and skill? oh he is big, he is strong, and the like.

another big guy with skating issues.

do lobe the typical flyers cliché from “jonesy”: “he looks like a flyer”. what does that mean? he is a loser?

This specifically really annoys me nowadays. Who is their target audience for this kind of stuff? “Looking like a Flyer”? This team hasn’t won anything in decades exactly because of this outdated notion that The team needs to be big and grinding. Do they think the fanbase prefers this type of player to the high skilled players we see going late in to the playoffs every season? Maybe the old heads who followed the team in the 70’s and 80’s.

I hope Nesbitt works out, I actually would have been happy to take him at 22.

I have ZERO problem with going BPA with Martone, even though I had my heart set on Hagens. It never crossed my mind that Martone would be there at 6.

best part is nesbitt said he didnt follwo the flyers so he doesn’t know what that means ” to be a flyer”. Guess thats a good thing.

– who is the loud voice in the “room” pushing for all these 3rd line centers? he is either a genius or a dope. we will find out in a few years to see if danny still has a job.

– 3 early picks ( 2 in the top 13 one 51 in the 2nd). All 3 project to be 3rd line centers. why are they adverse to draft players with more upside?. Nesbitt has a comparable to ryanl lowry. is that what you want out of a 12th overall pick? overpaid to move up.

– “jonesy” is so annoying. way he acts you think they just one the cup and are the model nhl franchise. mind boggling how they themselves

as I said they never or rarly mention skill…shocked didnt throw more cliches out

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Really happy with the first round picks, considering this is a pretty underwhelming draft in terms of high-end talent, they did well to get Martone and then add a big center in Nesbitt. Both are somewhat project kids who need to work on their foot speed, but that’s something that can be addressed in the long term.

They’ve gotta just keep building brick by brick until you’ve got something, keep piling up the picks and young players, success will come! I forget how many picks we have in the second round now, but if you look back to the 2023 NHL draft the Flyers are starting to compile some good prospects. Brick by brick.

Flyers4Ever wrote:

Really happy with the first round picks, considering this is a pretty underwhelming draft in terms of high-end talent, they did well to get Martone and then add a big center in Nesbitt. Both are somewhat project kids who need to work on their foot speed, but that’s something that can be addressed in the long term.

They’ve gotta just keep building brick by brick until you’ve got something, keep piling up the picks and young players, success will come! I forget how many picks we have in the second round now, but if you look back to the 2023 NHL draft the Flyers are starting to compile some good prospects. Brick by brick.

of course you are happy as you are a flyers felator. had martone not fell in their lap they would have taken someone else. luckily those layers were off the board

success will come. no doubt 100% guaranteed. what could go wrong.

yes its me 2050 wrote:

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”transition: all; font-size: 15px !important;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>no complaints with martone pick at all ( do they try him at center?). no issue at all.

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”transition: all; font-size: 15px !important;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>trading the 2 late 1st to move up no problem. Taking nesbitt is very very questionable. dont like it at all. seems like the laughtchenko move. not high ceiling guys. flyers love taking 3rd line centers early in the draft. No way was Nesbitt the BPA. seems like an overpay.

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”transition: all; font-size: 15px !important;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>how many potential 3rd line center do the flyers have in their system now?

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”transition: all; font-size: 15px !important;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>watching “jonesy” grin like he is the smartest man in the room is pure entertainment. flyers always have to flyer at some point.

The more pressing question here… how many franchises would be willing to give up two late first round picks to get what will basically amount to a third line center? That is my main beef. It appears to be a massive overpayment for what the player is projected to become.

On to round two, man, it’s an exciting time to be a Flyers fan. Building a championship team is a process, but it’s gonna be fun watching it all come together in the next five or so seasons.

Flyers4Ever wrote:

On to round two, man, it’s an exciting time to be a Flyers fan. Building a championship team is a process, but it’s gonna be fun watching it all come together in the next five or so seasons.

pure entertainment.

I can’t complain with the selection of Martone. Was hoping one of the two was available @ 6- unexpected both available. I just do not see a path how Tippett will be on the roster 2 years from now unless Foerster falls off. Hope they sell high and do not beat the value out of him before moving him. As far as Nesbitt, we all knew they were going center with their next pick after Martone. Once McQueen was selected by ANA, pretty sure the prospects left who were considered first round and definitely projected to play center in the NHL were Nesbitt and Cootes. My preference would have been Cootes, but I understand the process.

If Ryabkin falls into the 3rd round, I sure hope the Flyers make the pick. I understand the warts, but at that point of the draft using a lottery ticket for him.

yes its me 2050 wrote:

pure entertainment.

Right, you gotta love it.

2nd Round Flyers picks: 36th (4th pick), 40th (8th) and 48th (16th).

good players still left, will they be gone when the flyers pick? may need to trade up.

Flyers4Ever wrote:

yes its me 2050 wrote:

pure entertainment.

Right, you gotta love it.

2nd Round Flyers picks: 36th (4th pick), 40th (8th) and 48th (16th).

gotta love what exactly?

Flyers4Ever wrote:

gotta love what exactly?

The process, gathering young talent, exciting times to be a Flyer fan. Building towards a great future, new direction, you gotta love it!!

1. there is no process.

2. gathering young talent every other orginization in the league has, none are stand out elite level.

3. please define a great future.

4. new direction lol. sure new era of orange II

zzz

Trox88 wrote:

I can’t complain with the selection of Martone. Was hoping one of the two was available @ 6- unexpected both available. I just do not see a path how Tippett will be on the roster 2 years from now unless Foerster falls off. Hope they sell high and do not beat the value out of him before moving him. As far as Nesbitt, we all knew they were going center with their next pick after Martone. Once McQueen was selected by ANA, pretty sure the prospects left who were considered first round and definitely projected to play center in the NHL were Nesbitt and Cootes. My preference would have been Cootes, but I understand the process.

If Ryabkin falls into the 3rd round, I sure hope the Flyers make the pick. I understand the warts, but at that point of the draft using a lottery ticket for him.

Outside of the top five or six kids, most of these other kids who are selected will be NHL role players, I personally think Martone is going to be an impact NHL’er, he’s really talented. Sure there’ll be two of three kids like Brayden Point or Jason Robertson, but those are the outliers and teams will obviously be lucky to find one of them. Just look back nine or ten years at drafts, 2015 produces 29 kids who has 200 or more points, 2016 produces 16 kids with 200 or more points. Elite talent generally comes from the very top of the draft, when you’re picking after #10 you’re hoping to get lucky and you’re also building depth within your organization.

nothing unhinged at all about whine-posting ad nauseum. gotta love it

just doesn’t seem healthy. if you hate the team so much maybe get off the internet for a bit. it’s exhausting to read so it’s gotta be draining to pound at that keyboard all morning haha

hfboards seems more your speed. or maybe try wordle.

Flyers4Ever wrote:

yes its me 2050 wrote:

pure entertainment.

Right, you gotta love it.

2nd Round Flyers picks: 36th (4th pick), 40th (8th) and 48th (16th).

Today is the day you take a big swing on a player like Ryabkin.

black_francis wrote:

nothing unhinged at all about whine-posting ad nauseum. gotta love it

just doesn’t seem healthy. if you hate the team so much maybe get off the internet for a bit. it’s exhausting to read so it’s gotta be draining to pound at that keyboard all morning haha

hfboards seems more your speed. or maybe try wordle.

I don’t get it either? Just go cheer for someone else. San Jose is going to be an absolute wagon with the kids they’ve picked in the past three drafts, they’ve had six first round picks in 2023/2024/2025 including 1st, 2nd & 4th overall, plus they got Sam Dickinson at #11, that kid is super talented and going to be an NHL all-star. I’m sure there’s room on their bandwagon.

Anaheim too, they’re orange and they’ve amassed some great young talent through the draft, they’ve been at it for seven years/drafts, picking 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 6th, 9th, 10th & 10th overall in that timeframe, but hey, they’re gonna turn the corner sooner than later…right? LOL – probably lots of room on their bandwagon too!!

MBFlyerfan1 wrote:

Today is the day you take a big swing on a player like Ryabkin.

He’s the 17th best player available, according to The Athletic writers.

17. Ivan Ryabkin, C, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)

April 25, 2007 | 5′ 11″ | 209 pounds

Tier: Projected to play NHL games

Skating: NHL average
Puck skills: Above NHL average
Hockey sense: NHL average
Compete: NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

Analysis: Ryabkin was an impactful player at the Russian junior level as a 16-year-old. He struggled in Russia this season, leading to a mid-year shift to the USHL, where he was great for Muskegon. He’s a very talented player. He has a ton of skill and ability to improvise with the puck. He sees the ice at a high level and makes difficult passes consistently. At times, he competes quite hard and looks to use his body to win pucks. His game has inconsistencies, though. Ryabkin can lose his temper and make bad decisions on the ice. He’s a good enough skater but his game can lack pace and his fitness is a minor issue, too. He has the potential to be a legit scoring winger in the NHL but it remains to be seen if he can round out his game enough to be that player.

Flyers4Ever wrote:

Trox88 wrote:

I can’t complain with the selection of Martone. Was hoping one of the two was available @ 6- unexpected both available. I just do not see a path how Tippett will be on the roster 2 years from now unless Foerster falls off. Hope they sell high and do not beat the value out of him before moving him. As far as Nesbitt, we all knew they were going center with their next pick after Martone. Once McQueen was selected by ANA, pretty sure the prospects left who were considered first round and definitely projected to play center in the NHL were Nesbitt and Cootes. My preference would have been Cootes, but I understand the process.

If Ryabkin falls into the 3rd round, I sure hope the Flyers make the pick. I understand the warts, but at that point of the draft using a lottery ticket for him.

Outside of the top five or six kids, most of these other kids who are selected will be NHL role players, I personally think Martone is going to be an impact NHL’er, he’s really talented. Sure there’ll be two of three kids like Brayden Point or Jason Robertson, but those are the outliers and teams will obviously be lucky to find one of them. Just look back nine or ten years at drafts, 2015 produces 29 kids who has 200 or more points, 2016 produces 16 kids with 200 or more points. Elite talent generally comes from the very top of the draft, when you’re picking after #10 you’re hoping to get lucky and you’re also building depth within your organization.

Agreed and that why it was so important Briere did not over think pick 6. I do expect them to replenish the goal prospect pool today. I just hope they take a flier on Ryabkin at some point in day 2. The chances of prospects drafted after the first round is so low, betting on talent is not a bad thing.

yes its me 2050 wrote:

I just enjoy watching dopes like you. pure entertainment. go flyers

I appreciate your support, thanks!! Let’s Go Flyers!!!

you’ve been told what to believe and you parrot it here after watching exactly zero games from any of these kids.

bravo.

They took a swing after drafting a sure thing. This is what everyone clamored for. It’s why you get the picks. Rather than drafting two late round bottom 6 duds. He was considered the last sure fire center. Other centers may not have translated into the NHL and would likely been moved to wing. Schaefer seemed to think he was the most underrated player in the first round. I don’t mind the gamble.

You don’t even know what you want.

But we are all glad you’re here. Every day. Be it hello it’s me or furio. But asking bill dumb questions and having him ignore you is not “contributing” lol

black_francis wrote:

you’ve been told what to believe and you parrot it here after watching exactly zero games from any of these kids.

bravo.

They took a swing after drafting a sure thing. This is what everyone clamored for. It’s why you get the picks. Rather than drafting two late round bottom 6 duds. He was considered the last sure fire center. Other centers may not have translated into the NHL and would likely been moved to wing. Schaefer seemed to think he was the most underrated player in the first round. I don’t mind the gamble.

You don’t even know what you want.

But we are all glad you’re here. Every day. Be it hello it’s me or furio. But asking bill dumb questions and having him ignore you is not “contributing” lol

is that you “jonesy”?

you are a flyers parrot. sticking up for pops I suppose. as I said go back to the buzz and be the man

San Jose gets the giant Chinese kid.

Flyers taking a while…a trade?

black_francis wrote:

this is your entire personality. You bring zero depth.

You wanted to trade Tippett for Zibanejad?? Are you high?

Coming here every day under multiple alts and whining about a team you don’t seem to even like is not a wise use of your twilight years.

Go back to X and watch some more highlight reels and come back here with your expert opinion lol. Copy and paste your scripts from HF Boards so you’re prepared.

Dads partying in AC, you’re… here.

I did? never said any such thing. what I did was ask a question.

no whining just the fact holmes.

dad working weekends cleaning the toilets in AC now? what a shame

Carter Amico.

Jack Murtagh. Great pick.

I see them taking Ryabkin with the 57 (If he is still there)

Icelanders are crushing this draft so far.

Amico with a mean streak. Look forward to watching this kid progress.

Vansaghi. Flyers going heavy on wings. No pun intended.

MBFlyerfan1 wrote:

Vansaghi. Flyers going heavy on wings. No pun intended.

these announcers keep saying the broad street bullies are back. go flyers

black_francis wrote:

these announcers keep saying the broad street bullies are back. go flyers

yawn

if your tired take a nap poppy.

another run on centers….

Matthew Gard, another huge center.

You can see the direction the Flyers want to go in and it doesn’t weigh 165 pounds.

Ryabkin to the Canes. Flyers not picking again until the 5th round?

FlyerFrank wrote:

You can see the direction the Flyers want to go in and it doesn’t weigh 165 pounds.

1) 6’5″ 225 lbs
2) 6’1″ 200 lbs
3) 6’2″ 210 lbs
4) 6’5″ 195 lbs

LOVE IT!!!

FlyerFrank wrote:

1) 6’5″ 225 lbs
2) 6’1″ 200 lbs
3) 6’2″ 210 lbs
4) 6’5″ 195 lbs

LOVE IT!!!

Yes! I’ve seen enough smurf hockey where the Flyers get pushed around like shopping carts. The teams that went to the conference finals were big and mean except for Carolina, which did carry a few smaller guys.

So far the Flyers have drafted a medium sized college basketball team lol

So far the Flyers have drafted a medium sized college basketball team lol

Reach is nice, very helpful for Dmen, but to me it’s the getting pushed around too easily which is where weight and strength come in. Reading plays and getting good position can help a smaller guy play bigger but I’d rather have a guy 6-0 and 195 doing that against a bigger opponent than a 5-9 and 170 guy.

Anyone beyond round three is pretty much a “hope and a prayer”, but you never know. Without a third round pick we got six really good prospects in rounds 1 & 2, it’s gonna be three plus years before we find out what’s there in my opinion but a really good draft for the team. Lots to be happy about. Watching these kids grow and develop is all part of the fun.

The Flyers must have a great skating coach because for the most part these picks all have skating issues according to their scouting reports. .

Flyers4Ever wrote:

Anyone beyond round three is pretty much a “hope and a prayer”, but you never know. Without a third round pick we got six really good prospects in rounds 1 & 2, it’s gonna be three plus years before we find out what’s there in my opinion but a really good draft for the team. Lots to be happy about. Watching these kids grow and develop is all part of the fun.

Some people think Martone makes the team this camp. It’s not like they don’t have spots up front that need an upgrade right now. It’s not wild to think their opening night Top 9 looks like this:

Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Martone-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-Tippett

Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Martone-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-Tippett

foerester will likely be out with a torn bicep, making way for Shabanov.

where’s brink? maybe in a deal for a defenseman?

i don’t see luchanko or martone ready for opening night tbh. cates will likely stay at C.

FlyerFrank wrote:

Flyers4Ever wrote:

Anyone beyond round three is pretty much a “hope and a prayer”, but you never know. Without a third round pick we got six really good prospects in rounds 1 & 2, it’s gonna be three plus years before we find out what’s there in my opinion but a really good draft for the team. Lots to be happy about. Watching these kids grow and develop is all part of the fun.

Some people think Martone makes the team this camp. It’s not like they don’t have spots up front that need an upgrade right now. It’s not wild to think their opening night Top 9 looks like this:

Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Martone-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-Tippett

Il say it again, Cates is not playing wing after signing that deal. He is the 3rd line center. Lead Pipe lock.

I also don’t think Luchanko makes the team.

where’s brink?

I do find the Brink love here amusing. Enjoy him here while you can.

Il say it again, Cates is not playing wing after signing that deal. He is the 3rd line center. Lead Pipe lock.

I also don’t think Luchanko makes the team.

I’m just saying it’s possible. If the Flyers continue to add at center, and there’s more than the draft to do that, somebody flips to wing. Having a defensively responsible forward who can score from outside while cheating to the D side of the puck flipped to the wing is not a bad move. Having Kurri do that for Gretzky and having Leino do it here for Briere shows the idea can work. Zegras is the guy sticking in the middle. Lots of variables. Just throwing out possibilities that are not unreasonable.

in this scenario you have luchanko and martone on the team already when in reality they probably aren’t making the team yet, you’ve moved cates to wing for some reason and brink is apparently not on the team anymore? help me get there lol

It’s only a matter of time and are they good enough to take spots from the guys who are here. For example, Martone is a LW. How many LWs do the Flyers have on the roster who are better than he is today? I don’t think the answer is four. Of course, unless the Flyers add a center, Cates is going to be a solid 2-way center here . . . but the future is coming. Cates is the kind of player I want to keep in my Top 9 even when the Flyers do add more NHL-caliber centers. There was an issue in ANA with Zegras being flipped to wing. Leave him at center and get a defensive winger cheating high. Problem solved.

It’s only a matter of time

of course it’s only a matter of time. but you say this could be their top 9 on opening night lol

cates got selke votes the first year they moved him to C while playing over his head. they traded laughton and poehling. i think it’s safe to say cates will remain in the middle.

of course it’s only a matter of time. but you say this could be their top 9 on opening night lol

cates got selke votes the first year they moved him to C while playing over his head. they traded laughton and poehling. i think it’s safe to say cates will remain in the middle.

I’m speculating about what’s possible. I’d like to see a fun team to watch this year. I started watching again more closely last year mostly because of Michkov who made the team last year at 19 . . . and delivered.

Great work this weekend Bill. Enjoyed the coverage.

Nice draft by the Flyers

solid draft with not much high end talent added to the orginization.

– with 4 2nd round picks how on earth do you not swing for a high risk/high reward type in Ryabkin (or anyone of that ilk)? no need to draft 3 other forwards with 3rd/4th line potential. Seeing how the flyer culture is so strong surely they can turn around a kid like Ryabkin no?

– They clearly overcompensated for size on players who are many years away. By that time the nhl trend will change again. flyers always following.

– Carter nice value pick. hope not the next Ian Forbes.

– when you pick at 12th you don’t take a potential 3rd line center who you think might be a 2nd lien center. with multiple first you need to take a swing for a potential home run.

– well Danny will either look like a genius or a dumb ass in a few years as these drafts are where he is supposed to make his mark. Unless of course he has a kevin adams type job security

– flyers have next to zero puck moving dman in the system.

– They clearly overcompensated for size on players who are many years away. By that time the nhl trend will change again. flyers always following.

– flyers have next to zero puck moving dman in the system.

Yes, in three years the league will be dominated by teams filled with skilled 160 pound players and defensemen who couldn’t break an egg with their hitting but boy can they skate with the puck and get caught out of position on their way to yet another -3 night on the scoresheet.

with 4 2nd round picks how on earth do you not swing for a high risk/high reward type in Ryabkin

watch a lot of games of his? LOL

anyway, don’t be surprised when foerester can’t start the season due to a torn bicep which is why shabanov will make sense. at least that’s the rumor around the hot dog stands.

black_francis wrote:

<p data-userway-font-size=”13″ style=”font-size: 16px !important; transition: all;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>with 4 2nd round picks how on earth do you not swing for a high risk/high reward type in Ryabkin

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”font-size: 15px !important; transition: all;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>watch a lot of games of his? LOL

<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”font-size: 15px !important; transition: all;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>anyway, don’t be surprised when foerester can’t start the season due to a torn bicep which is why shabanov will make sense. at least that’s the rumor around the hot dog stands.

Foerster was working out during the draft

black_francis wrote:

with 4 2nd round picks how on earth do you not swing for a high risk/high reward type in Ryabkin

watch a lot of games of his? LOL

anyway, don’t be surprised when foerester can’t start the season due to a torn bicep which is why shabanov will make sense. at least that’s the rumor around the hot dog stands.

always entertaining you defending th flyers.

you are a day late and dollar short on the tyson info. he hurt it 2 weeks ago.

flyers were interested in shabanov long before he got hurt. one has nothing to do with the other

FlyerFrank wrote:

– They clearly overcompensated for size on players who are many years away. By that time the nhl trend will change again. flyers always following.

– flyers have next to zero puck moving dman in the system.

Yes, in three years the league will be dominated by teams filled with skilled 160 pound players and defensemen who couldn’t break an egg with their hitting but boy can they skate with the puck and get caught out of position on their way to yet another -3 night on the scoresheet.

none o f what you posted chnages anything I said.

though in 3 years the flyers will still be 3 years anyway. always chasing the current trend.

always entertaining you defending th flyers.

There’s nothing wrong with being critical of the team but the fact is you regurgitate the same complaints all day, every day and bring nothing new to the conversation. it’s just whining at this point. what’s your end goal lol?

if you want to continue to drive traffic away from Bill’s new site and discourage others from posting here just because they don’t feel like engaging with you then, by all means, keep doing what you’re doing. I’m sure Bill really appreciates you making this place unbearable to visit.

dems da facts, homes. your whole personality is just being an angry troll that listens to terrible punk rock. very edgy! you’re the new cliff! now go get me a hot dog.

black_francis wrote:

always entertaining you defending th flyers.

There’s nothing wrong with being critical of the team but the fact is you regurgitate the same complaints all day, every day and bring nothing new to the conversation. it’s just whining at this point. what’s your end goal lol?

if you want to continue to drive traffic away from Bill’s new site and discourage others from posting here just because they don’t feel like engaging with you then, by all means, keep doing what you’re doing. I’m sure Bill really appreciates you making this place unbearable to visit.

dems da facts, homes. your whole personality is just being an angry troll that listens to terrible punk rock. very edgy!

you felate the flyers at almost every turn. not complaints facts. not whining facts. you just dont like said facts. not sure why.

any other breaking news you want to share?

I have nothing to be angry about. all good in my world.

yes its me 2050 wrote:

I have nothing to be angry about. all good in my world.

lol you complain the flyers didn’t pick a player you never heard of a week ago.

when you look for things to be up in arms about – things you clearly know nothing about – it tells me nothing in your life could be going all that great – otherwise you wouldn’t be here every day sulking. i’ll ask again: how many of that kid’s games did you watch? do you even know how to pronounce his name? LOL This place is not going to be like HF Boards no matter how much you want it to be. Why not just go there where everyone agrees with you? then you can go pat yourself on the back all day.

the traffic to this site is so light because you’re the only one posting, shaking your fist in the air hoping someone will pay attention to you. it’s sad. and here I am, out of the kindest of my heart, giving you the time of day. and for what? do you have anything new to add? I am now dumber for interacting with you.

but hey, this one’s for you:

none o f what you posted chnages anything I said.

Of course not. You still don’t understand hockey.

lol you complain the flyers didn’t pick a player you never heard of a week ago.

when you look for things to be up in arms about – things you clearly know nothing about – it tells me nothing in your life could be going all that great – otherwise you wouldn’t be here every day sulking. i’ll ask again: how many of that kid’s games did you watch? do you even know how to pronounce his name? LOL

the traffic to this site is so light because you’re the only one posting, shaking your fist in the air hoping someone will pay attention to you. it’s sad. and here I am, out of the kindest of my heart, giving you the time of day. and for what? do you have anything new to add? I am now dumber for interacting with you.

what’s the old saying, I have forgotten more about hockey then you will ever know. go back to the buzz. keep it alive.

don’t have to look for things, it is right in front of you.

I will answer your question in 2 parts.

1. more games than you.

2. with all the info that is publicly available. you don’t draft 3 fwds with 3rd line upside over a guy with 1st line upside. common sense. do you think that is good asset management? do you think that is good value?

now go eat dinner and get ready for work tomorrow.

FlyerFrank wrote:

none o f what you posted chnages anything I said.

Of course not. You still don’t understand hockey.

clearly I am not as versed in the sport as you. I mean your knowledge is off the charts.

yes its me 2050 wrote:

clearly I am not as versed in the sport as you. I mean your knowledge is off the charts.

You seem to have been taken off course by some overemphasis on skill and speed, size doesn’t matter, Dmen must lead the rush thinking that poisoned a few minds over the last several years. Once you get over that, you have some potential. You have the passion no matter how misdirected it currently is.

FlyerFrank wrote:

yes its me 2050 wrote:

clearly I am not as versed in the sport as you. I mean your knowledge is off the charts.

You seem to have been taken off course by some overemphasis on skill and speed, size doesn’t matter, Dmen must lead the rush thinking that poisoned a few minds over the last several years. Once you get over that, you have some potential. You have the passion no matter how misdirected it currently is.

not taken of course at all. never ever in any kind of weather did I say size doesn’t matter nor have I ever put a overemphasis on speed and skill.

this coming from the guy who has cates as the top line LW and Brink not even in the lineup.

1. not a chance you watched more USHL games than I have, let alone Muskegon. He played less games than every center on that team this season. Carolina is taking a stab at him. nearly every team passed on him twice. but somehow you will turn this into “flyers malpractice” because management lives rent-free in your head. but i’m not going to judge the flyers because they didn’t pick a player YOU like. that is such a loser barometer. why would anyone in god’s green earth give a flying fuck who YOU like? you don’t know anything.

2. with all the info publicly available? so you’re just googling him and coming up with your expert analysis? GTFO.

you’re gonna lose here every day. better crank up the tunes!

black_francis wrote:

1. not a chance you watched more USHL games than I have, let alone Muskegon. He played less games than every center on that team this season. Carolina is taking a stab at him. nearly every team passed on him twice. but somehow you will turn this into “flyers malpractice” because management lives rent-free in your head. but i’m not going to judge the flyers because they didn’t pick a player YOU like. that is such a loser barometer. why would anyone in god’s green earth give a flying fuck who YOU like? you don’t know anything.

2. with all the info publicly available? so you’re just googling him and coming up with your expert analysis? GTFO.

you’re gonna lose here every day. better crank up the tunes!

you are not watching nay USHL games you turd. unlike you I know several on that team. yes they are taking a chance as that is what good organizations do. they roll the dice high end potential. unlike the 3rd line flyers. who cares what other team do dumbass.

point was with all the public info out there even stevie wonder can see you take a stab at that kind of player when you have 4 picks in the same rd and he was available every time they were on the clock

gonna lose what? my bad you played A level hockey with the quakers.

FlyerFrank wrote:

this coming from the guy who has cates as the top line LW and Brink not even in the lineup.

If the draft didn’t convince you they’re looking to move beyond Brink ASAP, nothing will. That’s the Flyers talking, not me. I already said I like Cates’ game well enough that I want him in my Top 9 even once they improve the other centers enough to make that happen. None of that is guaranteed to happen by this opening night but there’s a chance of it.

ok so le me see if I have this broken down correctly.

Brink is a winger. Flyers drafted 4 centers, 1 winger all of whom are years away from playing in the nhl, if at all.

so help me understand how they are moving past brink ASAP.

you are not watching nay USHL games you turd. unlike you I know several on that team. yes they are taking a chance as that is what good organizations do. they roll the dice high end potential. unlike the 3rd line flyers. who cares what other team do dumbass.

point was with all the public info out there even stevie wonder can see you take a stab at that kind of player when you have 4 picks in the same rd and he was available every time they were on the clock

gonna lose what? my bad you played A level hockey with the quakers.

lol now you’re coming unglued. flyers can afford to roll the dice on a dude like Nesbitt after they overachieved with Martone. The draft dropped of significantly in the mid-1st round. what’s 22 and 31 gonna realistically get you? the 3rd line flyers you like to complain about? no issue with them drafting a monster kid who is guaranteed to stick with C at the NHL level.

again, YOU saying you think they should have taken Ryabkin because someone on the internet told you that’s what you’re supposed to think doesn’t mean anything around here. gotta eventually have your own opinions. go peddle your garbage takes at HF Boards where you can whine about how the flyers won’t develop players you’ve never heard of.

got any more questions you want to put out there for the class? how often are you refreshing before you realize everyone ignores you?

Brink is a winger. Flyers drafted 4 centers, 1 winger all of whom are years away from playing in the nhl, if at all.

I can tell you right now Martone isn’t years away from taking a top 9 wing spot on this team. He’ll have a shot at getting it this year. My guess is, he’s already among the six best wingers the Flyers have. Brink is also a redundant piece with Pelletier around. If one sticks, the other is gone sooner. They could be outplayed by others who’ll get a crack: Dorwart, Bump, et al. One or the other could be packaged to get something they need more than wingers: goalie, Dman, center who can win faceoffs. We’ll know a lot more by Wednesday.

FlyerFrank wrote:

Brink is a winger. Flyers drafted 4 centers, 1 winger all of whom are years away from playing in the nhl, if at all.

I can tell you right now Martone isn’t years away from taking a top 9 wing spot on this team. He’ll have a shot at getting it this year. My guess is, he’s already among the six best wingers the Flyers have. Brink is also a redundant piece with Pelletier around. If one sticks, the other is gone sooner. They could be outplayed by others who’ll get a crack: Dorwart, Bump, et al. One or the other could be packaged to get something they need more than wingers: goalie, Dman, center who can win faceoffs. We’ll know a lot more by Wednesday.

any sensible person would know I was not referring to Martone in my post. Martone is projected to be a top line winger. Will have very little effect on brink.

brink is head and shoulders better than pelletier. still some upside with brink. terrible comparison to me. funny to me how you easily discard a guy who put up 40+ points(which is more than Pelletier’s career) on a cheap contract for 2 years on this shit team. He is a lock to be a regular, as he should, unless moved. why is this so hard to comprehend?

your statement was they are moving on from brink ASAP because of this draft. that is clearly false.

black_francis wrote:

you are not watching nay USHL games you turd. unlike you I know several on that team. yes they are taking a chance as that is what good organizations do. they roll the dice high end potential. unlike the 3rd line flyers. who cares what other team do dumbass.

point was with all the public info out there even stevie wonder can see you take a stab at that kind of player when you have 4 picks in the same rd and he was available every time they were on the clock

gonna lose what? my bad you played A level hockey with the quakers.

lol now you’re coming unglued. flyers can afford to roll the dice on a dude like Nesbitt after they overachieved with Martone. The draft dropped of significantly in the mid-1st round. what’s 22 and 31 gonna realistically get you? the 3rd line flyers you like to complain about? no issue with them drafting a monster kid who is guaranteed to stick with C at the NHL level.

again, YOU saying you think they should have taken Ryabkin because someone on the internet told you that’s what you’re supposed to think doesn’t mean anything around here. gotta eventually have your own opinions. go peddle your garbage takes at HF Boards where you can whine about how the flyers won’t develop players you’ve never heard of.

got any more questions you want to put out there for the class? how often are you refreshing before you realize everyone ignores you?

omg

yeah so unglued. didn’t say anything about the 2 late 1st as they are not part of the conversation. now nesbitt is a guaranteed nhl player. love it. flyers felators in full force.

Ryabkin has more upside than the 3 fwds they took in the 2nd rd. fact. redundant to take the same type player 3 picks in a row where the potential is all the same. start using common sense seeing you do not watch nor know anything about said draft. where do you get your info on the draft from, be curios to hear.

speaking of drafting and development. if my math is correct, since 1990 they have drafted 12 fwds who have put up 60+points. half did it elsewhere. All 1st rd picks except for 2. Is that good drfating and development?

brink is head and shoulders better than pelletier. still some upside with brink. terrible comparison to me. funny to me how you easily discard a guy who put up 40+ points(which is more than Pelletier’s career) on a cheap contract for 2 years on this shit team. He is a lock to be a regular, as he should, unless moved. why is this so hard to comprehend?

He’s a lock . . . unless he’s moved. He’s moving. Maybe not by opening night, but he’s moving . . . unless he shows the upside you’re talking about. Maybe he adds a few pounds and some strength this off season. I’m not rooting against him, I just don’t see him in any mid to long term plans.

speaking of drafting and development. if my math is correct, since 1990 they have drafted 12 fwds who have put up 60+points. half did it elsewhere. All 1st rd picks except for 2. Is that good drfating and development?

now do other teams.

…

still waiting

black_francis wrote:

speaking of drafting and development. if my math is correct, since 1990 they have drafted 12 fwds who have put up 60+points. half did it elsewhere. All 1st rd picks except for 2. Is that good drfating and development?

now do other teams.

all you poppy then yo can tell us how good the flyers have been. despite the results saying otherwsie

all you poppy then yo can tell us how good the flyers have been. despite the results saying otherwsie

lol you won’t like the answer because you’ll look foolish – as per usual.

black_francis wrote:

all you poppy then yo can tell us how good the flyers have been. despite the results saying otherwsie

lol you won’t like the answer because you’ll look foolish – as per usual.

that’s it. you are good you. though I get it they have employed the tidy bowl man for a decades.

If you care to do the research you inadvertently make the flyers look like drafting/developing wizards. bravo.

you posed the question – now you do the work like I did. I assume that’s why you disappeared for 2 days lol

black_francis wrote:

If you care to do the research you inadvertently make the flyers look like drafting/developing wizards. bravo.

you posed the question – now you do the work like I did. I assume that’s why you disappeared for 2 days lol

yes disappeared. glad your keeping track.

you do the research. you are the one who brought it up not me. I just made a simple statement.

you do the research. you are the one who brought it up not me. I just made a simple statement.

speaking of drafting and development. if my math is correct, since 1990 they have drafted 12 fwds who have put up 60+points. half did it elsewhere. All 1st rd picks except for 2. Is that good drfating and development?

try to keep up, old man. your memory is slipping. Come talk to me when you compare it to other teams in the league. Until then, go play some power chords.

try to keep up, old man. your memory is slipping. Come talk to me when you compare it to other teams in the league. Until then, go play some power chords.

I’m willing to bet bragging rights the Rangers are worse. Their drafting is trash, maybe not since 90, but the last 20 years or so. The Flyers had nine picks in the top 60 over the last two drafts. Three were in the Top 13. Those guys have about a 90% hit rate at becoming regular NHLers. The other six, hopefully a couple or more can contribute. I like the team’s direction.

black_francis wrote:

you do the research. you are the one who brought it up not me. I just made a simple statement.

speaking of drafting and development. if my math is correct, since 1990 they have drafted 12 fwds who have put up 60+points. half did it elsewhere. All 1st rd picks except for 2. Is that good drfating and development?

try to keep up, old man. your memory is slipping. Come talk to me when you compare it to other teams in the league. Until then, go play some power chords.

again talking about the flyers. you mentioned other teams. not me. onus is on you to do the work.

60+ pt players on the team that drafted them since 1990:

Flyers – 6
Avalanche – 6
Lightning – 6
Penguins – 5
NY Rangers – 4
Red Wings – 3
Blackhawks – 3

Can’t reply to this thread with my post for some reason? Maybe my post is too long?

black_francis wrote:

60+ pt players on the team that drafted them since 1990:

Flyers – 6
Avalanche – 6
Lightning – 6
Penguins – 5
NY Rangers – 4
Red Wings – 3
Blackhawks – 3

Hawks actually 5..
Keith, Toewes, Kane, Debrincat and Bedard.

Absolutely right, thanks. I get the flyers haven’t won cups but if the argument is we just simply can’t draft and produce nice players it’s not accurate. Whether we can find a way to win with them is another story though.

black_francis wrote:

60+ pt players on the team that drafted them since 1990:

Flyers – 6
Avalanche – 6
Lightning – 6
Penguins – 5
NY Rangers – 4
Red Wings – 3
Blackhawks – 3

I count 14 players who the avs drafted, who put up 60 or more points all while playing for the avs. didn’t bother looking at the rest.
nolan, kovelnko, deadmarsh, drury, hejduc, tanguay, statsny, stewart, duchesne , oreiliy, landescog, mckinnon, rattenen

why did you change the criteria to points just playing for the team that drafted them? 

Add Daze for the hawks as well.

are you slow?

clearly you’re not giving credit to the flyers when you say “half did it elsewhere”. so I’m extending the same courtesy for other teams. Try to keep up.

so flyers drafting and developing is right up there with the best teams. if that’s your narrative, it is misinformed.

black_francis wrote:

are you slow?

clearly you’re not giving credit to the flyers when you say “half did it elsewhere”. so I’m extending the same courtesy for other teams. Try to keep up.

so flyers drafting and developing is right up there with the best teams. if that’s your narrative, it is misinformed.

– I am giving them credit otherwise wouldn’t have mentioned half did it elsewhere. Would have only mentioned the ones that did in a flyers uniform.

– using the avs data they are not up there with the best teams. that is flat out false.

– you have comprehension problems. your math is incorrect. yet you call me slow and to try and keep up.

one final question. do you think the flyers are the gold standard?

Just give it time, Briere’s had five 1st rounders in the past three drafts, and seven 2nd rounders, some of these kids are going to hit. What happened before he came around, during the Scott years, is over and done with, time to look forward.

The Flyers have never had to build exclusively through the draft, so the easy answer to that, is no, they’re not a gold standard. They built very good teams through trading. Post salary cap they’ve been slow learners though, realizing you can’t operate like you used to, you’ve gotta build through the draft.

Penguins drafted since ‘90 with 60+ point seasons.

Jagr
Crosby
Malkin
Straka
Letang
Guentzel
Rust

There’s 7. Not to be a jerk. Something just seemed off there.

Naslund did it elsewhere. Rust just made it. Bonus points for MAF who will be a HOF goaltender.