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The Leafs got lucky with two amazing players in Matthews in Marner but then got astronomically unlucky when they both demanded massive contract overpays that made it impossible to complete with the Florida’s of the world.
The Leafs got lucky with two amazing players in Matthews in Marner but then got astronomically unlucky when they both demanded massive contract overpays that made it impossible to complete with the Florida’s of the world.
Blame the city and the country they live in with their absurdly high taxes. Players and their agents don’t give a fuck what the cap hit is. They care about what they take home. Every. Single. One.
This idea of “overpayment” is insane. If a player makes 12 AAV in Vegas, he needs to make 16.5 AAV in Toronto to go home with the same money.
Matthews at least has the benefit of getting paid in signing bonuses to avoid the taxes. Marner doesn’t have that benefit. If the Leafs had got him his US citizenship, then he could have used the same loophole and maybe that’s what the Leafs need to start doing to be able to avoid the taxes and keep an even playing field with their divisional competitors.
Sorry, zero faith in Matthews. He has been as bad, or worse, than Marner in the playoffs. How he gets a free pass, year after year is ridiculous.
I’ll repeat these facts, again and again…
McDavid had 1 goal vs the Panthers this year. Kucherov, two years in a row vs the Panthers, 0 goals. The Panthers have been THAT GOOD at shutting down the absolute elite of elite players.
And the Leafs still took them to Game 7. Won 3 games because of the 1st line, Knies, Matthews and Marner, 1 GWG each.
Ovechkin has made it beyond the 2nd round ONCE in his entire career. Same goes for MacKinnon. The greatest goal scorer to ever live, Ovechkin, has ONE Cup and it took him 13 years to get it.
Winning a Cup is the most difficult team trophy to win in sports for a reason. It’s been many years of failure for the Leafs, as individuals and as a team but their window will only shut if they close it on themselves by giving up on the best players they’ve had in 58 years and not giving them the correct supporting cast.
players are not totally taxed based on the Team/city that they play for, the 41 home games are and the rest are taxed based on where the game is played and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Do players on teams in no-state-tax areas gain a massive financial advantage?
There are six teams in the NHL that play in cities that do not levy a state income tax. These teams are the Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Nashville Predators, Seattle Kraken, Vegas Golden Knights and Dallas Stars. Undoubtedly, this is a financial advantage for these players and is being used as a recruiting tool by these teams. However:Players on these teams still owe taxes for games played in other states and provinces.
For high earners, federal taxes (U.S. or Canadian) typically dwarf state taxes, meaning the state tax benefit is often overstated.UG
“Why does that matter? He’s scored 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.”Sorry, this isnt a thing.
Points for everyone is measured by the season, not by some random 82 game chunk.
Marner hasnt played a full 82 game season since 2017
He’s only ever hit 100pts ONCE in a season….sure he had seasons where he was on pace for more than 100pts…..but the reality is….he didnt finish with 100pts.Aetherial
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Sorry, zero faith in Matthews.
He has been as bad, or worse, than Marner in the playoffs. How he gets a free pass, year after year is ridiculous.Cause he’s a center that use to score a lot….just not a lot in the playoffs.
UG
“Why does that matter? He’s scored 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.”Sorry, this isnt a thing.
Point for everyone is measured by the season, not by some random 82 game chunk.
Marner hasnt played a full 82 game season since 2017
He’s only ever hit 100pts ONCE in a season….sure he had seasons where he was on pace for more than 100pts…..but the reality is….he didnt finish with 100pts – Fake100% agree with you Fake.
Speaking of claims that just aren’t true….
Marner scores 30+ goals often.
Marner scored 35 goals one season and 30 in another. In no other season has he scored 30 or more in his 10 years in Toronto.
Making up things, moving goal posts or just continually saying things that are inaccurate (like pretending Marner’s ‘primary assist’ on Matthews GWG was anything special at all or his GWG wasn’t just a seeing eye muffin and instead pretending like these were highly skilled, dominating plays) over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
Let’s not forget the fact that the back to back cup champs don’t have a single player with more than 39 goals or 81 points on their roster. That is something to keep repeating over and over again as it simply proves beyond a doubt that you don’t need a 50 goal scorer, nor a 100 point overpaid winger to win the cup, what you do need is a balanced roster and a good system and coaching.
The Leafs don’t need to worry about ‘replacing’ Marner’s offense they have enough without him.
His PK can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with a defensive specialist.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.
Cush
Marner scored 35 goals one season and 30 in another. In no other season has he scored 30 or more in his 10 years in Toronto.Making up things, moving goal posts or just continually saying things that are inaccurate (like pretending Marner’s ‘primary assist’ on Matthews GWG was anything special at all or his GWG wasn’t just a seeing eye muffin and instead pretending like these were highly skilled, dominating plays) over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
Let’s not forget the fact that the back to back cup champs don’t have a single player with more than 39 goals or 81 points on their roster. That is something to keep repeating over and over again as it simply proves beyond a doubt that you don’t need a 50 goal scorer, nor a 100 point overpaid winger to win the cup, what you do need is a balanced roster and a good system and coaching.
The Leafs don’t need to worry about ‘replacing’ Marner’s offense they have enough without him.
His PK can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with a defensive specialist.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.Marner is a great regular season player, just like matthews. But neither show up in games 5- 7 in the playoffs…..specially marner. I’ll miss marner, but you just cant pay another player $13 + who doesnt show up when it counts….we already have one of those.
As for the 100pts thing, Tkafack has scored 100pts twice and was playing at a 1.09 ppg pace when he got injured…so they could have had a 95 – 100pt player this year…..and having someone who can score 90 to 100pts should be a great have IF they keep a consistent pace in the playoffs. Meaning, I know ppg will be down for most in the playoffs, but it shouldnt have huge drops in games 5- 7….like it doesn for Marner and to a certain extent Matthews.
Fully agree, we need a more balance roster….balance cap wise and balance with player type.
My concern is, I dont know if Tre is the guy to provide that balance….or even if the Leafs can get that balance from what’s in FA or via trade (As they have no real trade assets).
Bennett isnt happening.
Paying a 37 years marchand $8 over 4 years is absolutely horrible and doesnt balance the roster at all.
I think P Kane stays in Detroit, but he would be a great add.
Get some depth in the bottom 6…add Tanev, P Suter
Grab some 1 year contract peeps
Sign Ekblad
Keep Morgan (probably no choice) and load up on D
Sign P Kane, tanev, P suter, and 1 year deals, bring up cowan
On D have:
Ekblad and Carlo/Tanev?
Mccabe and Tanev/Carlo
Rielly and OEL
Benoit.
Shelter Rielly, boost his confidence and trade value.
Trade him next off season.This allows the team to rest Tanev and OEL more often and really stacks our D for once.
Marner scored 35 goals one season and 30 in another. In no other season has he scored 30 or more in his 10 years in Toronto.
Making up things, moving goal posts or just continually saying things that are inaccurate (like pretending Marner’s ‘primary assist’ on Matthews GWG was anything special at all or his GWG wasn’t just a seeing eye muffin and instead pretending like these were highly skilled, dominating plays) over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
The Leafs don’t need to worry about ‘replacing’ Marner’s offense they have enough without him.
His PK can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with a defensive specialist.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.
~Cush29I think it’s a little unfair to undersell Marner’s value to the team. I mean since 2020 he’s 5th in TOI in the league – on a good team, so it’s not like he was getting the TOI strictly because the team around him sucked. During that time he’s one of 52 players to have more than 2 30 goal seasons (if you’re curious, Draisaitl, Matthews and Rantanen are the only ones with 5); among top-6 forwards (basically using 18+ minutes ATOI as the default and scaling it to forwards with 180gp over 5 years), there are 88 qualified forwards and he’s 33rd in goals and 3rd in assists. He is also 7th in points.
There have been portions of each of the past several seasons where he was noticeably our best player and a guy who was carrying the team through some hard times.
In short, there are definitely times when he will be heavily missed.
There’s a decent chance they are going to get balance from this and if it can elevate the level of compete in the bottom-6 and perhaps provide more compete up-and-down the lineup, we will like parts of the team much more. But I’m not happy to see him leave – but I am happy to not have to deal with his contract demands.
I do agree that they will likely be a better penalty killing team without him. As much as I appreciate what he does on the PK, his performance had been diminishing year-over-year as other teams worked the puck around him and as he became less explosive in his acceleration.
We’ll see what happens but there will be an adjustment period that’s likely going to suck for sure.
UG
Blame the city and the country they live in with their absurdly high taxes. Players and their agents don’t give a fuck what the cap hit is.No magasheep, blame the player and the GM.
Tax the millionaires as they should be.
Also, they earn american and spend in Canadian in the city/country, so big savings for them…..until their dollar goes in the crapper like their economy.Sorry, this isnt a thing.
Points for everyone is measured by the season, not by some random 82 game chunk.
Marner hasnt played a full 82 game season since 2017
He’s only ever hit 100pts ONCE in a season….sure he had seasons where he was on pace for more than 100pts…..but the reality is….he didnt finish with 100pts.One year he had 99 points in 80 games. Marner is a 100 point player, and has scored at that point per game pace for 5 years in a row. His career average is 1.12 points per game which is 92 points per 82 games AVERAGE.
You’re the first one to contradict yourself on point per game pace with this statement…
As for the 100pts thing, Tkafack has scored 100pts twice and was playing at a 1.09 ppg pace when he got injured
Dumbass.
No magasheep, blame the player and the GM.
Tax the millionaires as they should be.
Also, they earn american and spend in Canadian in the city/country, so big savings for them…..until their dollar goes in the crapper like their economyFucking clueless libtard communist, as usual. The only dollar going down the shitter is the garbage Canadian dollar and the garbage Canadian economy. Keep being a blind sheep.
I see someone still “forgets” to respond when he’s proven wrong.
Hasn’t happened with any of these garbage arguments presented yet.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.
Make sure you start holding your breath now until that happens.
We’ll see what happens but there will be an adjustment period that’s likely going to suck for sure.
That adjustment period will be the remainder of Matthews’ contract and when he walks for nothing as a UFA, this team will be thrown into full rebuild.
Nylander will become Kessel 2.0, all by himself with no hope in hell of carrying the team, he’ll get frustrated with being on a garbage team, will request a trade and the full rebuild will be on the road for the next 5-7 years.
This is the beginning of the end for this era and the Leafs threw it away.
Unholy_Goalie
Participant<em>One year he had 99 points in 80 games. Marner is a 100 point player, and has scored at that point per game pace for 5 years in a row. His career average is 1.12 points per game which is 92 points per 82 games AVERAGE.
Yes, 1 year he achieved 100pts, others he may have, had he not been injured…either way your original statement wasnt a thing.
Keep trying.You’re the first one to contradict yourself on point per game pace with this statement…
No contradiction at all, Tkafack did achieve 100pts twice and was on pace to another year…but didnt.
Keep up.Fucking clueless libtard communist, as usual. The only dollar going down the shitter is the garbage Canadian dollar and the garbage Canadian economy. Keep being a blind sheep.
With each nonsensical reply you post, you keep proving how clueless you are. You still have no clue what communism is. The Canadian economy isnt “garbage”, the GDP grew, inflation is down and one of lowest in the G7, household spending is up, trade barriers between most provinces are beginning to lift. Tariffs and subsequent unemployment are a concern of course, but had the orangerapist not F’d with the global economy, unemployment was slowly getting better.
Canada’s quality of life and freedom rating is much higher than the US.But grrrrrmeow, libtards….grrrrrrmeow….UG is a sheep with a little kitten growl…..
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