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As in where do you think he ends up?
For me I think he’s gone from Toronto at this point and as I posted previously today I think the San Jose Sharks maybe a dark horse (or shark) in the running for Marner.
They have the most cap space of any team and I’m sure Patty Marleau has some influence on Marner and has told him how great a place it is to live / play (Marleau still lives in Florida) and they can pay top dollar and have a young, bright future. San Jose can offer sun, sand and almost the polar opposite of Toronto from the perspective of how hockey crazed the city, market, fans and media are.
I can see that being appealing for Marner, I just don’t know if he wants to go to a team where the chance to win a cup is a bit away or not.
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Just figured out that if you try to embed code, the post vanishes without a trace. Second time it’s happened now. I tried to embed a copy of the cap space table from PuckPedia and it disappeared. Just like my Hulk Hogan post yesterday.
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Just figured out that if you try to embed code, the post vanishes without a trace. Second time it’s happened now. I tried to embed a copy of the cap space table from PuckPedia and it disappeared. Just like my Hulk Hogan post yesterday.
YES! This is what happened to me the first time I tried to post the Marner pic in a Sharks jersey. I then posted it without the pic, edited the post and embedded the image URL and submitted it again after editing and it seemed to work.
Weird little hiccup in the software I guess?
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Are you my alt, Cush?!?! I don’t have a link to it, but I’ve been saying San Jose for a few weeks now.
One thing I know for (almost) certain, he ain’t going to be wearing blue and white next season.
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Are you my alt, Cush?!?! I don’t have a link to it, but I’ve been saying San Jose for a few weeks now.
One thing I know for (almost) certain, he ain’t going to be wearing blue and white next season. – MVP Whipper
I’m embarrassed to say I missed you saying that or forgot! I was looking at what teams had how much cap space and saw how much San Jose had and thought – wow he would be a good fit there. Sure Columbus has a ton of space too but San Jose vs Columbus?
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I’m embarrassed to say I missed you saying that or forgot! I was looking at what teams had how much cap space and saw how much San Jose had and thought – wow he would be a good fit there. Sure Columbus has a ton of space too but San Jose vs Columbus?
~Cush29I think Marner is at the point in his career where he wants to make the maximum amount of money with the least amount of expectations. With him, Columbus is a playoff team, and then he has to live in Columbus. San Jose is a long way off, he can play with Celebrini, and he can golf year round.
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I think Marner is at the point in his career where he wants to make the maximum amount of money with the least amount of expectations. With him, Columbus is a playoff team, and then he has to live in Columbus. San Jose is a long way off, he can play with Celebrini, and he can golf year round. MVP Whipper
You could be bang on. I think he’s young enough and hungry enough he may want to go to a team he sees as having a real shot at a cup now but then again someone might be able to talk him into being a young leader on a young and up and coming team with all the benefits and so much less pressure etc.
He should have at least 1 more contract after this one (maybe more depending on how long he signs for) so the chance to jump to a contender and try and get a cup if he doesn’t have one as he enters the twilight of his career will be there. A place where he can maximize his earnings (as in his salary I’m not diving deep into all the taxes BS) and have much less pressure off the ice and can focus on his new family and perhaps having it grow might really appeal to him.
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You could be bang on. I think he’s young enough and hungry enough he may want to go to a team he sees as having a real shot at a cup now but then again someone might be able to talk him into being a young leader on a young and up and coming team with all the benefits and so much less pressure etc.
He should have at least 1 more contract after this one (maybe more depending on how long he signs for) so the chance to jump to a contender and try and get a cup if he doesn’t have one as he enters the twilight of his career will be there. A place where he can maximize his earnings (as in his salary I’m not diving deep into all the taxes BS) and have much less pressure off the ice and can focus on his new family and perhaps having it grow might really appeal to him.
~Cush29So I’ve seen it heavily suggested that Carolina is going in, as are Vegas. I think it’s a lot harder for Vegas because they would need to move pieces – pieces they have won with – out in order to afford Marner (like Karlsson or a Barbashev) – or possibly Hertl. I’ve also seen it suggested that Marner isn’t what Carolina needs and they know it – but they were willing to flip Rantanen for him.
The other names you hear a lot are LA and Utah. Lifestyle-wise, LA is cool and all – but I guess now that’s he’s a relatively newlywed with a newborn, they’d need to decide on what type of lifestyle they want. There are a lot of US markets that would offer a lot more anonymity and lot less vitriol than Toronto.
But with a young child, I’d imagine proximity to family is important to both. You may have money, but being cooped up in airplanes for hours on end all the time is exhausting.
It might be the lure to keep him on the east coast. You don’t hear a lot about the Rangers, likely because of their NMCs – but Drury has shown a real compunction to tell people to F-Off and want to get rid of them, so who knows?
I think if I were gambling, I’d lay odds on Carolina because of the east coast relationship. My dark horse would be Chicago because getting Bedard someone like Marner to play with would send a message that’s loud and clear.
That said, your point about San Jose is decent – but I think I’d be fearful that in 2 years I’m re-upping Celebrini, Smith Eklund and a few others (that won’t command nearly as much), but I don’t know if I want to invest 15% of my cap in a guy who will be 31 when I’m resigning Celebrini – and will be setting the bar for the contracts on the team.
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So I’ve seen it heavily suggested that Carolina is going in, as are Vegas. I think it’s a lot harder for Vegas because they would need to move pieces – pieces they have won with – out in order to afford Marner (like Karlsson or a Barbashev) – or possibly Hertl. I’ve also seen it suggested that Marner isn’t what Carolina needs and they know it – but they were willing to flip Rantanen for him.
The other names you hear a lot are LA and Utah. Lifestyle-wise, LA is cool and all – but I guess now that’s he’s a relatively newlywed with a newborn, they’d need to decide on what type of lifestyle they want. There are a lot of US markets that would offer a lot more anonymity and lot less vitriol than Toronto.
But with a young child, I’d imagine proximity to family is important to both. You may have money, but being cooped up in airplanes for hours on end all the time is exhausting.
It might be the lure to keep him on the east coast. You don’t hear a lot about the Rangers, likely because of their NMCs – but Drury has shown a real compunction to tell people to F-Off and want to get rid of them, so who knows?
I think if I were gambling, I’d lay odds on Carolina because of the east coast relationship. My dark horse would be Chicago because getting Bedard someone like Marner to play with would send a message that’s loud and clear.
That said, your point about San Jose is decent – but I think I’d be fearful that in 2 years I’m re-upping Celebrini, Smith Eklund and a few others (that won’t command nearly as much), but I don’t know if I want to invest 15% of my cap in a guy who will be 31 when I’m resigning Celebrini – and will be setting the bar for the contracts on the team. – Monkey Puck
Good points on what Vegas would need to give up to clear the cap space to be able to sign Marner. I think almost if not every team in the NHL would want him on their team but that’s the issue or question – what do they have to sacrifice to be able to fit him in financially (we know this is very likely the situation in Toronto for instance).
Also good point on proximity to family and LA is quite a ways away but again off seasons in Muskoka and being on the road during the season as much as he is already maybe the change isn’t THAT drastic?
I don’t see the Rangers because the pressure there although less that Toronto is still pretty intense as is the media scrutiny. You could be right on Carolina and I said this before a Marner / Bedard combo would be pretty wild and impressive. Who knows a dark horse may come and get him and shock us all or he may end up staying in Toronto and shock almost the entire world at this point.
I guess we will see – is is July yet!?
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There was an article by Friedman that the Marner discontent started with the choice to hand Mathews the C.. Marner wants to go somewhere where he is the big dog.
I am tending to think it might be Utah that he signs with
They have the money and the owner wants to make a splash
There is no pressure from fans
He will walk into a younger team and get to be the big dog.Marner and his dad will be happy little pigs in shit
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You could be bang on. I think he’s young enough and hungry enough he may want to go to a team he sees as having a real shot at a cup now
~Cush29If that’s what he truly wants, why not sign back with the Leafs for $10M? There aren’t many teams that are as close to a Cup as the Leafs that have the cap space to pay him what he seemingly thinks he’s worth. At $10M, (assuming JT takes a similar team-friendly deal), the Leafs have the flexibility to address some of the other issues in the FWD group. Marner would be welcomed back with open arms, (and extended a lot of grace in the future if he continues to disappear when needed), if he signed that deal.
That being said, I have always maintained that I would never expect a player to take any kind of team discount. These guys have short careers, go get your bag while you can.
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Shhhhh the grownups are talking. Kim Jong Cush
Well you`re certainly not one of those Rob, so shut the fuck up, you Pillock. Your obsession with Marner is ghay and weird. Yep, that checks out.
Also, Twatwaffle? Really? That`s over 20 years old just like the Felica reference. Are you capable of ever coming up with something fresh?
No, it will just be another absurdly pusillanimous response.
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Shhhhh the grownups are talking. Kim Jong Cush
Well you`re certainly not one of those Rob, so shut the fuck up, you Pillock. Your obsession with Marner is ghay and weird. Yep, that checks out.
Also, Twatwaffle? Really? That`s over 20 years old just like the Felica reference. Are you capable of ever coming up with something fresh?
No, it will just be another absurdly pusillanimous response. – Twat Waffle Supreme – Big 23 Questions Imposter and now confirmed AA, Tanooki, Horsey Sauce
LMAO you are so rattled you just went off and blew your cover Donnie Brasco way to go!
Good to see you are using a Thesaurus though, despite your constant need to Kyoodle here and over at HB.
Did you seriously just try to say I’m gay (sorry ghay as you so maturely spelt it) and use it as an insult inside of a childish rant after I told you to hush up while the adults talk?
I would hope you see the humour and hypocrisy in that but I doubt you do, just like you thinking using it as an insult in 2025 is anywhere near appropriate or acceptable.
It’s funny yet sad considering how often you are on HB preaching at people posturing as being a great person with tremendous virtue and integrity – clearly that’s not the case.
As I said before just hush up and let the adults talk hockey, I’m done engaging with you.
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Keep killing threads Rob. You have now killed two separate sites, but anyone paying attention knows this is what you`re up to. Mad at HB because you were stripped of your moderator status.
Also, it SPELLED not SPELT, dumbass.
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Keep killing threads Rob. You have now killed two separate sites, but anyone paying attention knows this is what you`re up to. Mad at HB because you were stripped of your moderator status.
Also, it SPELLED not SPELT, dumbass.- AA, Tankooki, Horsey Sauce pretending to be Big23Questions
Hey Einstein,
Considering you chose to use UK slang to throw an insult at me you should know that Spelt is in fact the UK version of Spelled.
The fact you clearly do not doesn’t surprise me, it’s just you once again showing everyone what a hypocritical servile wobbler you are.
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Maybe email the site owners. We don’t want this site becoming the other place – a wild wild west with no moderation that slowly turns into a full-blown “Nazi Bar”.
Edit : a report post button would be nice. And one that actually works, unlike the HB report post function.
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Maybe email the site owners. We don’t want this site becoming the other place – a wild wild west with no moderation that slowly turns into a full-blown “Nazi Bar”.
Edit : a report post button would be nice. And one that actually works, unlike the HB report post function.
Agreed.
Fun fact – the report a post button on HB didn’t work for a long time, when I was a mod there it didn’t work properly and then not at all. lol
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I cant believe how bad the user experience is for this site right out of the box. I get logged out with certain browsers, cant quote reply. the avatar nonsense. I also find it hard to read and hate the flow of it.
have to put up with the verbal diarrhea poster.other than almost everything about it…its great
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I cant believe how bad the user experience is for this site right out of the box. I get logged out with certain browsers, cant quote reply. the avatar nonsense. I also find it hard to read and hate the flow of it.
have to put up with the verbal diarrhea poster.other than almost everything about it…its great
~senstrolltwoYeah, if you’re going to roll out a website to compete with an existing, well established site (even though said site is outdated by almost 20 years), you’d expect it to be a little more slick than this. Or, at the very least, be doing regular updates to address issues. With all the banning issues over on HB, all the stars were aligned for this site to be a success, but it’s kinda been a dud.
That being said, I don’t expect I’ll ever be back on the buzz. My supposed 1 month ban (according to Dozzer), seems to be dragging on far past that. I’m not overly worried. I just really want to debut my avatar over there to trigger some fools.
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I cant believe how bad the user experience is for this site right out of the box. I get logged out with certain browsers, cant quote reply. the avatar nonsense. I also find it hard to read and hate the flow of it.
have to put up with the verbal diarrhea poster.other than almost everything about it…its great
You have to take into consideration that the site just started and remains, a project amongst others for Bill and Mike.
This being said, I completely agree that the overall exprience must be improved. If I hear anything about what’s coming, wheter it’s forums moderating or some issues getting fixed I’ll let you guys know.
Oh and there’s a thread for suggestions if you have any.
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I tired posting this earlier but it did not work out.
www .msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/mitch-marner-s-strengths-and-weaknesses-and-who-should-shouldn-t-try-to-sign-him/ar-AA1Gs5xi – dmnted
Ruh R’oh Shaggy it says the Leafs shouldn’t’ even consider re-sighing Marner! You’re going to upset some folks like the ones or one who seem to now be screaming from the roof top that the Leafs should pay him 16.5 M because of taxes.
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I love seeing Tweedledee & Tweedledumb in here crying because they know Marner is as good as gone, resorting to personal attacks and the likes because they can’t handle the opinions of others or someone not agreeing with them.
AA who on HB just finished swearing up and down he isn’t on here, has re-appeared again impersonating a HB user.
You can’t make this shit up.
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Well, I’m about to cut bait on this place also. There appears to be no will to moderate forums any more. Even though this forum is still small and not that busy, we are already seeing problems with blatant trolling and lack of rule enforcement. That doesn’t bode well for the day the site becomes a lot more popular. If these forums really get rolling with tens of thousands of posts and dozens of daily active posters, how will they keep up if they can’t do it already as things currently stand?
No moderation. No report/abuse function. No block or mute. Hmmm…..
I’m not getting too comfortable here. My HB days are over and my HHS days might be numbered…
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Well, I’m about to cut bait on this place also. There appears to be no will to moderate forums any more. Even though this forum is still small and not that busy, we are already seeing problems with blatant trolling and lack of rule enforcement. That doesn’t bode well for the day the site becomes a lot more popular. If these forums really get rolling with tens of thousands of posts and dozens of daily active posters, how will they keep up if they can’t do it already as things currently stand?
No moderation. No report/abuse function. No block or mute. Hmmm…..
I’m not getting too comfortable here. My HB days are over and my HHS days might be numbered… – PDO Speedwagon
It’s sad how much a very small minority of people can ruin something for so many isn’t it?
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resorting to personal attacks and the likes because they can’t handle the opinions of others or someone not agreeing with them
That is quite literally you, daily. LOL
It’s sad how much a very small minority of people can ruin something for so many isn’t it?
It is sad. Almost a carbon copy of what you and Aaron did to HB during your flaky reign of failure.
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Except that the Oilers didn’t lie down and roll over in the game they lost 6-1 the way the Leafs did. Twice. The Oilers actually showed some pride.
~fifty
A lot of good that did them. So, the Oilers are leading the series in moral victories?!?
– WhipperIf the Leafs showed that jam at least there wouldn’t be jerseys thrown on the ice. I can cheer for a team that gives it’s all and has some sack. The Leafs did not deserve their fans support in game 5 and 7.
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Per Andy Strickland, Marner is officially out. Let the healing begin. – MVP Whipper
You spelt let the changing of the DNA begin wrong……lol
Most felt like this would happen but it’s the Leafs so the possibility that they would just overpay to match anyone was always a reality.
It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out. The trolls now have a new shiny thing to cling to and spew out every season the Leafs don’t go 82-0 with Matthews scoring 80 goals and them having a 100% PK on route to a 16 and 0 record in the playoffs to their cup win.
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He’s exactly the type of player Carolina needs, undersized and as soft as downy fabric softener. Brilliant move, Canes.
yeah, odd. oh well. i really cant muster up any give a shit about MM leaving. 10 years was a long enough time to give it a shot
I also dont need to hear how the Leafs will be worse…they might..but meh idgaf, the might be better..have to see all the moves.
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He’s going to Carolina. He gets to be a nobody on a Euroteam and play his two playoff rounds and then walk on the beach. It’ll be his retirement contract. Leafs should really speak to all teams that will listen about the cost of getting his rights so Marner can have his 8th year. Maybe a late first or a top prospect gets it done.
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I really haven’t back to the other site since my ban was implemented
It’s a dead issue with me as well. Lets help Mike and the Metz get this site running smoothly.
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Good to see I’m still living rent free in the pea brain of the guy who is here using someone else’s username from HB while proclaiming on HB he isn’t in here. Uneducated29
Look right next to the M on your keyboard. That is called a Comma. A quick google search will tell you what they are and where to use them, Tiny Rob.
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The most telling thing for me about mitchy came in a ‘fun’ interview type thing. It was one of those for the fans deals where players are asked questions about teammates, other teams, etc.
Every Leafs player stated Mitch is the most talkative and friendly to opposing players during warmups and game…Mitch asked:’did they say me?”. Then said they probably will try to say I talk so much cause I dot want to get hit. That made me nauseous to hear a hockey player say that. Brutal. Sublime offensive skill – sublimely puffy player.
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The crying and whining about the Leafs being doomed because they are “losing a 100 point player for nothing” is just chicken little talk.
The back to back Cup Champs didn’t have a single player anywhere near 100 points nor even 50 goals for that matter.
IN fact the Panthers didn’t have a single player who scored even 40 goals (highest was Reinhart at 39 goals) nor anyone near 100 points (again Reinhart with 81 points led the team).
After Reinhart the next highest goal scorer was Sam Bennett with 25 goals.
https://www.nhl.com/panthers/stats/20242025/2
Beyond that what exactly are the Leafs supposed to do when the player and his agent flat out say they don’t want to negotiate during the season and then go radio silent when the Leafs season ends?
To me the narrative isn’t that the Leafs are “letting him go for nothing” (we know they tried to trade him once for sure and he nixed that deal), it’s Mitch walking away and jamming it to this team and fanbase – again. Sure he is exercising his right and that’s fine but to position him as the victim in all this and the Leafs and the fanbase as the bad guys is just a joke.
Teams that build a balanced roster, get good to great goaltending, have a good system and stick to that system have success in today’s NHL. Loading up on offense doesn’t work – the Oilers have proven it twice in the cup finals now and the Leafs for several years in rounds 1 and once in a while 2.
Bye Mitch and good luck wherever you end up but this is the start of Tre having the flexibility of 13-14 M in cap space to really start to fix what is wrong here, I hope he can & getting JT to come back and finish his career as a Leaf at a team friendly price would be a great start.
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Tavares should not see more than $5M per season on a 2 year deal. Get a good 2C that is defensively sound.
If there was any good UFA C, I’d say yeah but there isn’t. He isn’t signed yet by the Leafs so he may go to market.
I think he’ll be offered a 3 year deal with a cap hit of 7.5M by NJD if not signed by the Leafs.
That’s a big hole to fill at #2C.Leafs don’t have that much trade capital, so its going to be interesting these next few weeks.
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If there was any good UFA C, I’d say yeah but there isn’t. He isn’t signed yet by the Leafs so he may go to market.
I think he’ll be offered a 3 year deal with a cap hit of 7.5M by NJD if not signed by the Leafs.
That’s a big hole to fill at #2C.Leafs don’t have that much trade capital, so its going to be interesting these next few weeks.
To match the money, Leafs would need to go 5x 4.5m or 4x 5.6m
who is the LEafs 2/3C options otherwise?
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Marner and his mercenary attitude won’t be missed. He’s a manipulating little b!tch! Good riddance. Get players that want to win here. Tavares should not see more than $5M per season on a 2 year deal. Get a good 2C that is defensively sound.
In an ideal world I feel this would happen regarding JT. We aren’t in an ideal world and JT absolutely played as a 2C in the league last year. He’s slowing down but I feel with the cap opening up in the next few years I bet we see some longer contract for him. It also depends on what JT wants.
Ideally, for me, it’s similar to giroux. Something like 3 x 6 – 7. That’s what I think will happen.
Similarly, I wonder if Tree is trying to get Knies on a long term deal. I’d like to see 7 x 8 or even 8 x 8. However, if I were Knies and looking at the cap going up, I’d do like 4years x 6 million.
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In an ideal world I feel this would happen regarding JT. We aren’t in an ideal world and JT absolutely played as a 2C in the league last year. He’s slowing down but I feel with the cap opening up in the next few years I bet we see some longer contract for him. It also depends on what JT wants.
Ideally, for me, it’s similar to giroux. Something like 3 x 6 – 7. That’s what I think will happen.
Similarly, I wonder if Tree is trying to get Knies on a long term deal. I’d like to see 7 x 8 or even 8 x 8. However, if I were Knies and looking at the cap going up, I’d do like 4years x 6 million.
Would love Tavares to sign the Duchene deal
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Too bad they both absolutely suck balls in the playoffs, especially defensively.
And that’s exactly why this team will continue to lose.I disagree with your assessment of JT. He was ok with whom he played with. The 2nd line was missing a good 2LW.
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There was an article by Friedman that the Marner discontent started with the choice to hand Mathews the C.. Marner wants to go somewhere where he is the big dog.
I am tending to think it might be Utah that he signs with
Do you know where that article is? I’d like to read it. Sounds interesting!
Also kind of weird. Most of the time wingers aren’t captains.
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I disagree with your assessment of JT. He was ok with whom he played with. The 2nd line was missing a good 2LW.
If the Leafs had better 2LW than Holmberg or McMann, things could of been better for them but they did not.You are free to disagree and be wrong.
The LW situation does suck but isn’t a strong enough reason for the way they disappeared after Game 3. Especially on the PP for which there is no excuse of having any weak players on the ice.
You can’t have Tavares on the same line or even team as Nylander. They are the same type of player. Both defensively inept and offensively streaky. Nylander wins because he is younger and Tavares offensively disappeared vs the Panthers.
It’s great news that Tavares wants more than 5 AAV and hopefully he’s gone because he sucked at his best, he’ll be useless on his next contract as he approaches 40.
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time will tell who is wrong … in your mind I’m wrong, in mine, I’m correct.
Time has already proven you, among many other Leafs fans and the Leafs management wrong.
When Tavares arrived he was the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL, in his prime.
What did he actually accomplish in 7 years?
No awards. Didn’t lead the league in anything. Won one playoff series. Lost seven. Less points than every other core player. Biggest defensive liability too.
How the hell can anyone possibly think he’s worth another chance at 35+ if he’s making anything more than 2 million a year as a pure passenger depth piece?
Corey Perry is the model for how Tavares would be useful to a team going forward. But not at 5-7 million a year. Not anymore.
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Corry Perry at 34 scored 5 goals and was always injured, Tavares just scored 38. is a Center and still a point a game.
I agree once JT is a 10 goal 30 point player, he should be getting 1mil deals. but thats not reality for him right now.JT has been exactly what you expect over the 7 years. If you were expecting awards and scoring titles, thats probably on you
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Holy poop, What the hell is going on at the old site?
I mean, I know it’s the off-season, but still.
Calgary blogger saying goodbye.
Edmonton blogger saying goodbye.
Toronto blog with 2 comments, 18 hours in.
Habs blog with 0 comments, 20 hours in.
Flyers blog with 0 comments, 22 hours in.
Ek’s main blog with 3 comments, 20 hours in.
I’m kinda digging Uggie’s theory that it is MiB and Meltzer handing out the bans – it’s really the only thing that makes sense.
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Corry Perry at 34 scored 5 goals and was always injured, Tavares just scored 38. is a Center and still a point a game.
I agree once JT is a 10 goal 30 point player, he should be getting 1mil deals. but thats not reality for him right now.JT has been exactly what you expect over the 7 years. If you were expecting awards and scoring titles, thats probably on you
Congrats on Tavares scoring 38 regular season goals at 34 years old. How many playoff goals did he score at 34 years old? Oh, the same as Perry? 5? With a 10 million dollar difference in salary? Wow!
Corey Perry, at 34, played 27 playoff games, scored 5 playoff goals and made it to the Cup Final. What did Tavares do against Florida? Oh right, disappeared offensively and sucked balls defensively.
Corey Perry, at 35, played 22 playoff games, scored 10 points and made it to the Cup Final on a Montreal team that beat the Leafs after they collapsed and blew a 3-1 series lead.
Corey Perry, at 36, played 23 playoff games, scored 6 playoff goals and made it to the Cup Final on Tampa Bay, that also beat the Leafs.
Corey Perry, at 38 and 39, went to the Cup Final with Edmonton, scoring a total of 11 playoff goals and 17 playoff points.All those seasons without ever making more than 1.5 AAV, sometimes as low as 775K.
I can guaran-fucking-tee you Tavares won’t be playing 119 playoff games with 28 playoff goals from 35-40, especially at 5-7 AAV a year. Why is that a guarantee? Because from the day he was drafted, up to 34, he only played 75 playoff games with 28 career playoff goals. He couldn’t do it at his best, he won’t be doing shit as he approaches 40.
If a player is the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL, there should be some kind of success otherwise that’s definitely on stupid management.
He can have his regular season stats, he’ll disappear again like he did against Florida. You keep defending a player who absolutely sucks at living up to his hype. Have fun.
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some people get ranty when you post simple facts. its nothing to get worked up about. UFAs get offered contracts based on thier reg season production.
players who score 38 goals and 74 points get paid accordinglyIt is a fact that both Mitch Marner and John Tavares will be given contracts that wildly overpay.
The only debate is whether or not the Leafs are the ones giving that contract to Tavares (Mitchy is so far gone, I can’t even see him).
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some people get ranty when you post simple facts. its nothing to get worked up about. UFAs get offered contracts based on thier reg season production.
players who score 38 goals and 74 points get paid accordinglyThe simplest of facts is that the Leafs absolutely suck at building a winning hockey team and far too many people support their methods of stupidity.
It is a fact that both Mitch Marner and John Tavares will be given contracts that wildly overpay.
The only debate is whether or not the Leafs are the ones giving that contract to Tavares (Mitchy is so far gone, I can’t even see him).
The difference being that Marner is at least a two-way player, entering his prime and Tavares is about to be 35+.
Marner, having more career playoff points and 5 straight seasons of 100 points per 82 games, is the better way to spend money.
Vegas will be very happy with Marner. He’ll be raising the Cup like Kadri did before the Leafs ever will again.
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Marner, having more career playoff points and 5 straight seasons of 100 points per 82 games, is the better way to spend money.
at what cost.? He disappears when the going get tough in the playoffs. This is fact.
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at what cost.? He disappears when the going get tough in the playoffs. This is fact.
The current Leafs model has not work for the last decade in the playoffs. Time to change it up.It’s not actually a fact because this year against Florida, no other team won 3 games against them. Marner directly helped win 2 of them with a GWG and a primary assist to Matthews. That shows he’s a factor in winning games against the Champs. That’s a guy who is part of the solution, not the problem.
Marner is not the perfect playoff beast. He’s not McDavid. But not even McDavid with his absurd scoring won the Cup and beat Florida, even with Draisaitl putting up the same absurd number of points.
What Marner did do, however, was be part of the 1st line that was clearly, objectively, absolutely not part of the problem. They contained Florida’s top line defensively. And offensively, the Leafs 1st line scored ALL THREE GWGs vs Florida. You keep that line together and you improve the rest of the team by getting rid of the REAL problems like Tavares and Rielly. You could also negotiate a way to trade Nylander too but he’s in his prime so you can afford to keep him for now and still be okay so long as you get him two solid two-way players to make up for his defensive laziness.
Making change for the sake of change makes no sense, especially when that change is one of your best players. That’s like having burnt out light bulbs in your house and changing the bulbs that are still working, hoping that the burnt out light bulbs will start working properly. It won’t work.
Tavares and Rielly are the main problems. Make those REAL changes and actually improve the team.
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Fact is Marner has been part of the methods of stupidity in building a team.
so overpay him again?doesnt make sense to say they suck a one thing then want them to do that same thing
And yet has more career playoff points than everybody on the team so clearly the stupidity is in the complimentary pieces they keep failing to acquire.
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‘The Disappearing Puff’
If somebody just looks at points like a video game and measures a players impact game to game like that – they know not what they watch (cough UG cough). But if they insist:
Willy be Bitchy Mitchy playoffs this year:
Willy
GP — 13
G – 6
A – 9
Pts – 15Greedy Brat
GP – 13
G – 2
A – 11
Pts – 13Also reg season +/- one was +10 the other +18…again a useless stat but just trying to reach the undereducated hockey fan who looks at the game stats first – like they want the season played in a simulator because they don’t get in game impacts.
Marner is certainly the better all around player but not by much at all. Maybe a $500K per season difference. Mitch kills penalties? Cool so do 4th liners. Hardly a reason to pay a WINGER who doesn’t score that much cash. Mitch is not good 5v5 defensively. He makes poor decisions with puck in own zone (as noted by d zone giveaways) and has a hard time reading off rushes, and on top of all that, is so incredibly weak that he is absolutely useless in the drone at winning puck battles. In fact he rarely gets involved because he is timid…like Willy.
Mitch is a phenomenal at anticipation. That’s what make him both a very good offensive talent and very good pk player. Smart player.
Claiming a future Hall of Fane player who made Team Canada (men’s teams) has net been good because he lacks major awards? So dumb.
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If somebody just looks at points like a video game and measures a players impact game to game like that – they know not what they watch (cough UG cough). But if they insist:
Willy be Bitchy Mitchy playoffs this year:
Willy
GP — 13
G – 6
A – 9
Pts – 15Greedy Brat
GP – 13
G – 2
A – 11
Pts – 13Also reg season +/- one was +10 the other +18…again a useless stat but just trying to reach the undereducated hockey fan who looks at the game stats first – like they want the season played in a simulator because they don’t get in game impacts.
Marner is certainly the better all around player but not by much at all. Maybe a $500K per season difference. Mitch kills penalties? Cool so do 4th liners. Hardly a reason to pay a WINGER who doesn’t score that much cash. Mitch is not good 5v5 defensively. He makes poor decisions with puck in own zone (as noted by d zone giveaways) and has a hard time reading off rushes, and on top of all that, is so incredibly weak that he is absolutely useless in the drone at winning puck battles. In fact he rarely gets involved because he is timid…like Willy.
Mitch is a phenomenal at anticipation. That’s what make him both a very good offensive talent and very good pk player. Smart player.
When was Nylander nominated for the Selke, faced 1st line competition 5v5 and scored at a 100 point per 82 game pace?
Oh right, never.
Did Nylander score a GWG and have a primary assist on a GWG vs Florida?
Oh right, he disappeared vs. Florida after Game 3. -3 for the series, on the ice for the 2nd most goals against (12), after Tavares (14) playing against weaker competition.
Claiming a future Hall of Fane player who made Team Canada (men’s teams) has net been good because he lacks major awards? So dumb.
Because I’m so dumb, where can I find the Hall of Fane? Can’t seem to find it anywhere. Just like I couldn’t find Tavares on Team Canada for the 4 Nations. Was that Tavares who set up the OT GWG? Must have been.
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Marner directly helped win 2 of them with a GWG and a primary assist to Matthews
those primary assist you speak of are week one.
one shovel pass to Matthews at the center of ice line from the Leafs blue line and he rips it home as he crossed FLA blue line.
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And yet has more career playoff points than everybody on the team so clearly the stupidity is in the complimentary pieces they keep failing to acquire.
sure he does in games 1-4 but after that is a bunch of 0 goals and what 8 assist! For a player making top dollar in the league, should be able to perform a whole lot better than that.
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Bud is so dumb eh – you have been on here saying Tavares wasn’t even good in his prime you goof. Made Team Canada Olympic team. Facts.
Marner never won a Selke – he was nominated by media crazy Toronto writers – who like you spell check online posts on a hockey forum cause that their flex (as it typically is with those who can’t even skate let alone played the game).
Marner reached 100pts once. Just now. Marner was responsible for a GWG by floating a knuckles on net blind and it found its way in. Oh and as I skooled you before (school with a K to give you something to say back), Marner did dick all but shovel a 2foot pass through nothing and nobody then 34 did all the work as usual and scored giving bitchy a primary point.
What are mitchys points on later games in the series? You know when it gets more physical and intense? Oh that’s right – the Magic Man pulls his disappearing act – like the rest of the core of this team. Problem is most people around here can admit to Willy being soft, not performing when it counts etc. you and your butt buddy just can’t do that cause of your fanboy crush.
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Bud is so dumb eh – you have been on here saying Tavares wasn’t even good in his prime you goof. Made Team Canada Olympic team. Facts.
Marner never won a Selke – he was nominated by media crazy Toronto writers – who like you spell check online posts on a hockey forum cause that their flex (as it typically is with those who can’t even skate let alone played the game).
Marner reached 100pts once. Just now. Marner was responsible for a GWG by floating a knuckles on net blind and it found its way in. Oh and as I skooled you before (school with a K to give you something to say back), Marner did dick all but shovel a 2foot pass through nothing and nobody then 34 did all the work as usual and scored giving bitchy a primary point.
What are mitchys points on later games in the series? You know when it gets more physical and intense? Oh that’s right – the Magic Man pulls his disappearing act – like the rest of the core of this team. Problem is most people around here can admit to Willy being soft, not performing when it counts etc. you and your butt buddy just can’t do that cause of your fanboy crush.
23 big IQ points.
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because they have to overpay Mitch to shit his pants when they have to win a game.
14mil to not help his team win.
As usual, you are not thinking for yourself. You’re just a parrot of the idiot narrative created by simpleton fans and a biased media.
Let’s put this in the simplest terms that even a total retard could understand.
Knies scored a GWG in Game 1. Marner had the primary assist.
Marner scored the GWG in Game 2. Repeat. Marner scored the GAME WINNING GOAL IN GAME 2.
Matthews scored the GWG in Game 6. Marner had the primary assist.No other team this year won 3 playoff games vs the Panthers. And yet, the Leafs 1st line, just proved they could defensively handle Florida’s top line and offensively won 3 games, Marner being instrumental in all 3 goals.
That’s contributing more than anybody else did to WIN PLAYOFF GAMES. More important goals than McDavid did this year vs the Panthers. Kucherov, two years in a row, 0 goals vs the Panthers.
The “price” is what it is because of the shit garbage environment that is Toronto. You can punt the problem and blame Marner but the same shit will happen with the next guy and they next guy after that until Toronto changes for the better.
You’re blinded by the price and can’t see that the offensive numbers, while less than expected, is still enough to win games. The real problem is wasted money stuck with Tavares and Rielly. It’s quite simple if you pull your head out of your ass.
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Leafs lost who gives a shit and its not like its 1 year, its 10 years of failure.
the team hasnt won a fucking thing as is. in 10 fucking years.
It’s not 10 years of failure, it’s not year 1 of failure; it’s 58 years of failure. Because too many idiots, among the fans, in media and in management spend their time blaming everything and everyone except themselves, making rash decisions thinking they were further or closer than they really are.
This is an example of them being closer than they think they are and throwing it away because of impatience. They took the Panthers, two-time Champs, 3-time finalists, to Game 7. Nobody else did that.
Throwing this team away won’t make them win next year and will almost certainly guarantee they won’t even have a hope of winning for another 10 years as they begin their backward slide of losing assets for nothing.
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Player A makes $11.5M per.
Player B asking for $14M+ per.
Player A (career totals)
Primary Assists – 239
Goals – 262
Points – 612
Giveaways – 375
Dzone Giveaways- 117Player B(itch)
Primary Assists – 312
Goals – 221
Points – 741
Giveaways – 651
Dzone Giveaways – 246Imagine thinking player b deserves that much more cash per season. Even worse, claiming the guy Player A has been ‘saddled’ with is a garbage trash centre who was never good vs player b playing with a guy who he just needs to shovel a 2foot pass to and that guy lights it up.
Some sweet selke numbers there eh
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Player A makes $11.5M per.
Player B asking for $14M+ per.
Player A (career totals)
Primary Assists – 239
Goals – 262
Points – 612
Giveaways – 375
Dzone Giveaways- 117Player B(itch)
Primary Assists – 312
Goals – 221
Points – 741
Giveaways – 651
Dzone Giveaways – 246Imagine thinking player b deserves that much more cash per season. Even worse, claiming the guy Player A has been ‘saddled’ with is a garbage trash centre who was never good vs player b playing with a guy who he just needs to shovel a 2foot pass to and that guy lights it up.
Some sweet selke numbers there eh
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#wrongThis screams of 2.3cm energy to go with that Big 23 IQ.
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No worries bud the typo was NUGGIES I didn’t mean Buggies. And BUY you Mountain Dew not But. For someone chirping others IQ’s – I would’ve assumed your giant brain would be able to decode that without googles help? Then again, as others have pointed out – you just copy and paste your opinions from ChatGPT or some other persons thoughts.
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No worries bud the typo was NUGGIES I didn’t mean Buggies. And BUY you Mountain Dew not But. For someone chirping others IQ’s – I would’ve assumed your giant brain would be able to decode that without googles help? Then again, as others have pointed out – you just copy and paste your opinions from ChatGPT or some other persons thoughts.
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Man a racist, pedo supporting, and now calling people retard? You are a classy kid.
You must be so proud of yourself. You made it all the way to Junior C and all you got for your trouble was CTE.
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When was Nylander nominated for the Selke, faced 1st line competition 5v5 and scored at a 100 point per 82 game pace?
Oh right, never.
Did Nylander score a GWG and have a primary assist on a GWG vs Florida?
OK, let’s discuss this. Has Marner ever scored 40 goals? Has Marner won any hardware in the NHL, like Matthews? So why is Marner wanting Matthews money and millions more than Nylander? I know the Cap is going up, but we heard this before, then Covid hit? Did Marner take a hometown discount back then? No. He squeezed every dollar out of the Leafs and he’s doing it again. On the primary assist in Game 6, vs Florida, that little shovel pass wasn’t a spectacular play. He was trying to not get hit and just chipped it straight towards Matthews. That goal was a soft goal and shouldn’t have went in. On Willy, I’m not impressed with him either. The difference is, he’s under contract and Marner is not. If I had my druthers, I’d move both of these soft primadonna’s. At least you could shore up with cap money in free agency, plus gain some futures as well.
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OK, let’s discuss this. Has Marner ever scored 40 goals? Has Marner won any hardware in the NHL, like Matthews? So why is Marner wanting Matthews money and millions more than Nylander? I know the Cap is going up, but we heard this before, then Covid hit? Did Marner take a hometown discount back then? No. He squeezed every dollar out of the Leafs and he’s doing it again. On the primary assist in Game 6, vs Florida, that little shovel pass wasn’t a spectacular play. He was trying to not get hit and just chipped it straight towards Matthews. That goal was a soft goal and shouldn’t have went in. On Willy, I’m not impressed with him either. The difference is, he’s under contract and Marner is not. If I had my druthers, I’d move both of these soft primadonna’s. At least you could shore up with cap money in free agency, plus gain some futures as well. -Prince
You are more tolerant than me.
I wanted them all (rielly matthews marner nylander tavares) out, get some picks and started the F over. I don’t think you can afford to have any of them making 8 figures and ice a winning team. -
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OK, let’s discuss this.
Sure.
Has Marner ever scored 40 goals?
Why does that matter? He’s scored 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row. He’s an elite playmaker who kills penalties, two-way player. He makes Matthews score more goals. Marner scores 30+ goals often. Not hitting 40 is an arbitrary, stupid criticism.
Has Marner won any hardware in the NHL, like Matthews? So why is Marner wanting Matthews money and millions more than Nylander?
Would Matthews be able to win hardware without Marner? I’d say, less likely. Marner makes his teammates better. If there was a top playmaker award, Marner would be eligible, along with being a Selke nominee.
He’s easily better than Nylander and definitely worth more than Nylander. That’s not even a question anymore.
A player is worth what he can get paid somewhere else. If the market says he’s worth 12 (which is actually 16.5 in Toronto because of the taxes), then that’s what he is worth.
I know the Cap is going up, but we heard this before, then Covid hit? Did Marner take a hometown discount back then? No. He squeezed every dollar out of the Leafs and he’s doing it again.
Wrong again. Go do the math on how much he loses because of taxes. He did take a discount. You just don’t realize it because you look at the cap hit, not the dollars he actually takes home.
12 million in Florida is 16.5 million in Toronto. Asking for 14 is a discount, just like Tavares was a “hero” for taking a “discount” to come to Toronto instead of going to San Jose…
On the primary assist in Game 6, vs Florida, that little shovel pass wasn’t a spectacular play. He was trying to not get hit and just chipped it straight towards Matthews.
Bullshit. You’re hating on Marner at this point. Marner was in the right position, created pressure, got the puck, made a play, Matthews scored. He did the same with Knies GWG in Game 1. And scored a GWG in Game 2. You’re smashing yourself in the dick trying to justify why a player who was involved in 3 GWG against Florida isn’t worth winning games in the playoffs.
That goal was a soft goal and shouldn’t have went in. On Willy, I’m not impressed with him either. The difference is, he’s under contract and Marner is not. If I had my druthers, I’d move both of these soft primadonna’s. At least you could shore up with cap money in free agency, plus gain some futures as well.
No, the real difference is that Nylander doesn’t play vs top lines and sucks defensively. The reality is, there is nobody else out there better than Marner that the Leafs can acquire for less money who will provide better results. Same goes for Nylander. The Leafs are stuck with these guys. This is the best bet they got. All they can do is keep them and surround them with the right guys and remove the wrong guys, which is Rielly and Tavares.
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You are more tolerant than me.
I wanted them all (rielly matthews marner nylander tavares) out, get some picks and started the F over. I don’t think you can afford to have any of them making 8 figures and ice a winning team.Sure, blow it up. Start over again. Good luck finding another guy to lead the league in goals and a 100 point running mate for him to play with.
The Leafs absolutely suck at building a team through the draft. By some miracle, they tanked and drafted very high, very often. They got very talented players fall right in their lap.
The odds of the Leafs being able to do that all over again without fucking it up are astronomically bad. They’d probably have to rebuild for 20 years to get back to where they are now knowing their track record of failure.
This situation can still be salvaged. Ovechkin took 13 years to win a Cup. And has only got past the 2nd round once in his career; the one time he won a Cup. If it was that difficult for a player like Ovechkin to succeed in the playoffs, then this group of guys (Matthews, Marner, Nylander and now Knies) needs to continue to be given more chances because it’s still the best this franchise will have for a very, very long time.
There’s still far too many Leafs fans that have this attitude about these guys as if they were promised to win 5 Cups in a row and become a dynasty. No. There are 32 teams, the divisional playoffs are detrimental to this franchise at the moment and winning four rounds is very, very difficult. These guys have not succeeded yet and that’s justifiably frustrating but it’s a long process to win a Cup in the NHL.
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Matthews has scored (regular season) no matter who has played with – kappenen, brown, Johnsson, Hyman, domi/bert (that was super small sample but point stands). Babs barely played him with Marner and he still got 40+.
So playing with Marner may be the difference between probably (cause nobody actually knows) 60-65 goals vs 45-50? I’m sure with a better roster composition the Leafs players and fans would rather 34 get less regular goals and have a better playoff ready winger to roll with cone the time it matters.
Why does scoring 40 goals matters? Really? Cause they win games. Willy gets them Marner doesn’t. Marner has an advantage of playing with the best scorer since Ovi. So in my opinion Mitch gets 70-80pts without 34 and still disappears come playoff time when it matters.Again with the most insanely stupid take on that goal 34 scored. There was no pressure caused by Marner. The dman coughed up a puck on a bad pass and Mitch was right there. He did absolutely nothing but get a puck that bounced off boards to him , turned and passed it 2 unobstructed feet. Even someone who can’t play like UG or AA could make that pass. I’ve explained in great detail this play. You and that huge IQ don’t remember?
You are boring now. Stupid shit on repeat and you don’t even remember being proven wrong…or as I suspect – your fantasy you live in your mind chooses to forget you’re a fat slob who can’t skate in a basement, telling people your opinion is fact.
How many grammar and spelling mistakes?
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You are more tolerant than me.
I wanted them all (rielly matthews marner nylander tavares) out, get some picks and started the F over. I don’t think you can afford to have any of them making 8 figures and ice a winning team.Oh, believe me, I want Rielly gone as well. Tavares doesn’t impress me much either. Both are soft and both don’t show up when it counts. The only one that I disagree with is Matthews. The guy has multiple Rocket Richard trophies, plays a 200 foot game, plus wins faceoffs. If he indeed played hurt all year, he did well to get the goals that he got. I noticed that there was no zip on his shots, this year, but with proper rest and therapy, he’ll probably hit 50 next year, regardless who he’s playing with. I’d like to see Brock Boeser on his wing and see where that goes. The rest can pack up and take their dog and pony show to the great unknown of Utah or Minnesota.
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Oh, believe me, I want Rielly gone as well. Tavares doesn’t impress me much either. Both are soft and both don’t show up when it counts. The only one that I disagree with is Matthews. The guy has multiple Rocket Richard trophies, plays a 200 foot game, plus wins faceoffs. If he indeed played hurt all year, he did well to get the goals that he got. I noticed that there was no zip on his shots, this year, but with proper rest and therapy, he’ll probably hit 50 next year, regardless who he’s playing with. I’d like to see Brock Boeser on his wing and see where that goes. The rest can pack up and take their dog and pony show to the great unknown of Utah or Minnesota.-Prince
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The Leafs got lucky with two amazing players in Matthews in Marner but then got astronomically unlucky when they both demanded massive contract overpays that made it impossible to complete with the Florida’s of the world.
Blame the city and the country they live in with their absurdly high taxes. Players and their agents don’t give a fuck what the cap hit is. They care about what they take home. Every. Single. One.
This idea of “overpayment” is insane. If a player makes 12 AAV in Vegas, he needs to make 16.5 AAV in Toronto to go home with the same money.
Matthews at least has the benefit of getting paid in signing bonuses to avoid the taxes. Marner doesn’t have that benefit. If the Leafs had got him his US citizenship, then he could have used the same loophole and maybe that’s what the Leafs need to start doing to be able to avoid the taxes and keep an even playing field with their divisional competitors.
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Sorry, zero faith in Matthews. He has been as bad, or worse, than Marner in the playoffs. How he gets a free pass, year after year is ridiculous.
I’ll repeat these facts, again and again…
McDavid had 1 goal vs the Panthers this year. Kucherov, two years in a row vs the Panthers, 0 goals. The Panthers have been THAT GOOD at shutting down the absolute elite of elite players.
And the Leafs still took them to Game 7. Won 3 games because of the 1st line, Knies, Matthews and Marner, 1 GWG each.
Ovechkin has made it beyond the 2nd round ONCE in his entire career. Same goes for MacKinnon. The greatest goal scorer to ever live, Ovechkin, has ONE Cup and it took him 13 years to get it.
Winning a Cup is the most difficult team trophy to win in sports for a reason. It’s been many years of failure for the Leafs, as individuals and as a team but their window will only shut if they close it on themselves by giving up on the best players they’ve had in 58 years and not giving them the correct supporting cast.
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players are not totally taxed based on the Team/city that they play for, the 41 home games are and the rest are taxed based on where the game is played and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Do players on teams in no-state-tax areas gain a massive financial advantage?
There are six teams in the NHL that play in cities that do not levy a state income tax. These teams are the Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Nashville Predators, Seattle Kraken, Vegas Golden Knights and Dallas Stars. Undoubtedly, this is a financial advantage for these players and is being used as a recruiting tool by these teams. However:Players on these teams still owe taxes for games played in other states and provinces.
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“Why does that matter? He’s scored 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.”Sorry, this isnt a thing.
Points for everyone is measured by the season, not by some random 82 game chunk.
Marner hasnt played a full 82 game season since 2017
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“Why does that matter? He’s scored 100 points per 82 games 5 years in a row.”Sorry, this isnt a thing.
Point for everyone is measured by the season, not by some random 82 game chunk.
Marner hasnt played a full 82 game season since 2017
He’s only ever hit 100pts ONCE in a season….sure he had seasons where he was on pace for more than 100pts…..but the reality is….he didnt finish with 100pts – Fake100% agree with you Fake.
Speaking of claims that just aren’t true….
Marner scores 30+ goals often.
Marner scored 35 goals one season and 30 in another. In no other season has he scored 30 or more in his 10 years in Toronto.
Making up things, moving goal posts or just continually saying things that are inaccurate (like pretending Marner’s ‘primary assist’ on Matthews GWG was anything special at all or his GWG wasn’t just a seeing eye muffin and instead pretending like these were highly skilled, dominating plays) over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
Let’s not forget the fact that the back to back cup champs don’t have a single player with more than 39 goals or 81 points on their roster. That is something to keep repeating over and over again as it simply proves beyond a doubt that you don’t need a 50 goal scorer, nor a 100 point overpaid winger to win the cup, what you do need is a balanced roster and a good system and coaching.
The Leafs don’t need to worry about ‘replacing’ Marner’s offense they have enough without him.
His PK can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with a defensive specialist.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.
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Marner scored 35 goals one season and 30 in another. In no other season has he scored 30 or more in his 10 years in Toronto.
Making up things, moving goal posts or just continually saying things that are inaccurate (like pretending Marner’s ‘primary assist’ on Matthews GWG was anything special at all or his GWG wasn’t just a seeing eye muffin and instead pretending like these were highly skilled, dominating plays) over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
The Leafs don’t need to worry about ‘replacing’ Marner’s offense they have enough without him.
His PK can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with a defensive specialist.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.
~Cush29I think it’s a little unfair to undersell Marner’s value to the team. I mean since 2020 he’s 5th in TOI in the league – on a good team, so it’s not like he was getting the TOI strictly because the team around him sucked. During that time he’s one of 52 players to have more than 2 30 goal seasons (if you’re curious, Draisaitl, Matthews and Rantanen are the only ones with 5); among top-6 forwards (basically using 18+ minutes ATOI as the default and scaling it to forwards with 180gp over 5 years), there are 88 qualified forwards and he’s 33rd in goals and 3rd in assists. He is also 7th in points.
There have been portions of each of the past several seasons where he was noticeably our best player and a guy who was carrying the team through some hard times.
In short, there are definitely times when he will be heavily missed.
There’s a decent chance they are going to get balance from this and if it can elevate the level of compete in the bottom-6 and perhaps provide more compete up-and-down the lineup, we will like parts of the team much more. But I’m not happy to see him leave – but I am happy to not have to deal with his contract demands.
I do agree that they will likely be a better penalty killing team without him. As much as I appreciate what he does on the PK, his performance had been diminishing year-over-year as other teams worked the puck around him and as he became less explosive in his acceleration.
We’ll see what happens but there will be an adjustment period that’s likely going to suck for sure.
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Marner scored 35 goals one season and 30 in another. In no other season has he scored 30 or more in his 10 years in Toronto.Making up things, moving goal posts or just continually saying things that are inaccurate (like pretending Marner’s ‘primary assist’ on Matthews GWG was anything special at all or his GWG wasn’t just a seeing eye muffin and instead pretending like these were highly skilled, dominating plays) over and over again doesn’t make them the truth.
Let’s not forget the fact that the back to back cup champs don’t have a single player with more than 39 goals or 81 points on their roster. That is something to keep repeating over and over again as it simply proves beyond a doubt that you don’t need a 50 goal scorer, nor a 100 point overpaid winger to win the cup, what you do need is a balanced roster and a good system and coaching.
The Leafs don’t need to worry about ‘replacing’ Marner’s offense they have enough without him.
His PK can be replaced at a fraction of the cost with a defensive specialist.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.Marner is a great regular season player, just like matthews. But neither show up in games 5- 7 in the playoffs…..specially marner. I’ll miss marner, but you just cant pay another player $13 + who doesnt show up when it counts….we already have one of those.
As for the 100pts thing, Tkafack has scored 100pts twice and was playing at a 1.09 ppg pace when he got injured…so they could have had a 95 – 100pt player this year…..and having someone who can score 90 to 100pts should be a great have IF they keep a consistent pace in the playoffs. Meaning, I know ppg will be down for most in the playoffs, but it shouldnt have huge drops in games 5- 7….like it doesn for Marner and to a certain extent Matthews.
Fully agree, we need a more balance roster….balance cap wise and balance with player type.
My concern is, I dont know if Tre is the guy to provide that balance….or even if the Leafs can get that balance from what’s in FA or via trade (As they have no real trade assets).
Bennett isnt happening.
Paying a 37 years marchand $8 over 4 years is absolutely horrible and doesnt balance the roster at all.
I think P Kane stays in Detroit, but he would be a great add.
Get some depth in the bottom 6…add Tanev, P Suter
Grab some 1 year contract peeps
Sign Ekblad
Keep Morgan (probably no choice) and load up on D
Sign P Kane, tanev, P suter, and 1 year deals, bring up cowan
On D have:
Ekblad and Carlo/Tanev?
Mccabe and Tanev/Carlo
Rielly and OEL
Benoit.
Shelter Rielly, boost his confidence and trade value.
Trade him next off season.This allows the team to rest Tanev and OEL more often and really stacks our D for once.
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Blame the city and the country they live in with their absurdly high taxes. Players and their agents don’t give a fuck what the cap hit is.No magasheep, blame the player and the GM.
Tax the millionaires as they should be.
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Sorry, this isnt a thing.
Points for everyone is measured by the season, not by some random 82 game chunk.
Marner hasnt played a full 82 game season since 2017
He’s only ever hit 100pts ONCE in a season….sure he had seasons where he was on pace for more than 100pts…..but the reality is….he didnt finish with 100pts.One year he had 99 points in 80 games. Marner is a 100 point player, and has scored at that point per game pace for 5 years in a row. His career average is 1.12 points per game which is 92 points per 82 games AVERAGE.
You’re the first one to contradict yourself on point per game pace with this statement…
As for the 100pts thing, Tkafack has scored 100pts twice and was playing at a 1.09 ppg pace when he got injured
Dumbass.
No magasheep, blame the player and the GM.
Tax the millionaires as they should be.
Also, they earn american and spend in Canadian in the city/country, so big savings for them…..until their dollar goes in the crapper like their economyFucking clueless libtard communist, as usual. The only dollar going down the shitter is the garbage Canadian dollar and the garbage Canadian economy. Keep being a blind sheep.
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I see someone still “forgets” to respond when he’s proven wrong.
Hasn’t happened with any of these garbage arguments presented yet.
They need a better balanced roster and Marner’s departure will allow them to do just that if Tre makes moves that work out.
Make sure you start holding your breath now until that happens.
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We’ll see what happens but there will be an adjustment period that’s likely going to suck for sure.
That adjustment period will be the remainder of Matthews’ contract and when he walks for nothing as a UFA, this team will be thrown into full rebuild.
Nylander will become Kessel 2.0, all by himself with no hope in hell of carrying the team, he’ll get frustrated with being on a garbage team, will request a trade and the full rebuild will be on the road for the next 5-7 years.
This is the beginning of the end for this era and the Leafs threw it away.
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Participant<em>One year he had 99 points in 80 games. Marner is a 100 point player, and has scored at that point per game pace for 5 years in a row. His career average is 1.12 points per game which is 92 points per 82 games AVERAGE.
Yes, 1 year he achieved 100pts, others he may have, had he not been injured…either way your original statement wasnt a thing.
Keep trying.You’re the first one to contradict yourself on point per game pace with this statement…
No contradiction at all, Tkafack did achieve 100pts twice and was on pace to another year…but didnt.
Keep up.Fucking clueless libtard communist, as usual. The only dollar going down the shitter is the garbage Canadian dollar and the garbage Canadian economy. Keep being a blind sheep.
With each nonsensical reply you post, you keep proving how clueless you are. You still have no clue what communism is. The Canadian economy isnt “garbage”, the GDP grew, inflation is down and one of lowest in the G7, household spending is up, trade barriers between most provinces are beginning to lift. Tariffs and subsequent unemployment are a concern of course, but had the orangerapist not F’d with the global economy, unemployment was slowly getting better.
Canada’s quality of life and freedom rating is much higher than the US.But grrrrrmeow, libtards….grrrrrrmeow….UG is a sheep with a little kitten growl…..
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As per Frank Seravalli, Marner’s family are in Vegas looking at houses. This would be a good landing spot for him. However, there are many on this team who know what it takes to win, and Marner might get a rude awakening from his teamates when he tries to coast through the playoffs as is his habit. I don’t think proven winners would just sit back and watch him coast, they would lay into him hard. Perhaps this is exactly what he needs.
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As per Frank Seravalli, Marner’s family are in Vegas looking at houses. This would be a good landing spot for him. However, there are many on this team who know what it takes to win, and Marner might get a rude awakening from his teamates when he tries to coast through the playoffs as is his habit. I don’t think proven winners would just sit back and watch him coast, they would lay into him hard. Perhaps this is exactly what he needs.I dont think he “coast”, I think it just becomes too challenging for him when the game tightens up…he recoils.
But if vegas is the spot….I hope its a sign and trade. Try to get Hertl or Karlsson back.This means vegas will be doing their LTIR special with Pietro
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I dont see Marner as a coaster. Hes just soft and gets jittery when team bang and crash him and his dispy doodling doesnt work anymore.
Vegas has 18 players and 9.6 cap space. so a lot of room to clear to sign 4 or 5 players, esp if Marner is 13
Hertl or Karlsson would be good targets, not sure they would move Eichel but with 1 year left..id check
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The Canadian economy isnt “garbage”, the GDP grew, inflation is down and one of lowest in the G7, household spending is up, trade barriers between most provinces are beginning to lift.
Brainwashed libtard. Barely any growth in the last 10 years, less than 2% over TEN YEARS, worst GDP in G7. Worst standard of living decline in 40 years.
freedom rating is much higher than the US.
More Freedom? Maybe more freedom for criminals and non-citizens.
Only more garbage coming. Elbows down, knee pads on for you FakeChange.
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As per Frank Seravalli, Marner’s family are in Vegas looking at houses. This would be a good landing spot for him. However, there are many on this team who know what it takes to win, and Marner might get a rude awakening from his teamates when he tries to coast through the playoffs as is his habit. I don’t think proven winners would just sit back and watch him coast, they would lay into him hard. Perhaps this is exactly what he needs.
Marner is going to look even better than Kadri did holding that Cup over his head while Leafs fans make excuses for the idiots that run this team and the morons who support the bad decisions.
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So Marner goes to another team and wins a Cup – and Leafs fans that don’t like him or want it playing elsewhere feel embarrassed or even feel anything at all?
Nope. Wrong again goofey. As you always are.
The issue isn’t Marner specifically, it’s roster composition dummy. This team aside from too much cash in forwards, is that those forwards ALL PLAY THE SAME WAY – Soft and weak come man-up hockey. When physicality goes up, stripes whistle less, and time/space are removed – these players fold. That’s the issue.
If the Leafs had a roster where it was spread out and a mix of skill/physicality (like Florida for example) Marner would all day be a great add. It would certainly help the offence. Him going to a team that lacks that skill level will be more than happy to pay him and it will absolutely be a great purchase – because they already have men that play hockey. They can insulate puffy Mitchy.
The suggestion that cause Marner goes to a team that is better suited to add a player like him (vs Leafs who need opposite Marners on this roster) and wins is somehow a Leafs mistake is so dumb. The problem is with how this team was built – not letting Marner go at this point in the teams development. Also letting him go for nothing is Dubas and his NMC.
Also, offering 13.5 and the little butch says no then refuses a trade for a superior winger is what Leafs fans should be pissed about.
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The issue isn’t Marner specifically, it’s roster composition dummy.
This team aside from too much cash in forwards, is that those forwards ALL PLAY THE SAME WAY – Soft and weak come man-up hockey. When physicality goes up, stripes whistle less, and time/space are removed – these players fold. That’s the issue.
If that really was the problem dumbass, then you sign Marner and trade Nylander. Nylander is the definition one-dimensional winger who can’t play defense, kill penalties or play vs top lines. If you want to talk about soft and weak, Nylander is the poster boy for soft, weak hockey. And this year, he didn’t even show up vs. Florida after Game 3. Total disappearing act. He played well against Ottawa’s 2nd and 3rd lines but Florida made him look like the bitch he is.
Tavares, Jarnkrok, Kampf and Rielly, are also soft, weak, terrible defensive players. The problem isn’t Marner, the problem is the rest of the garbage players idiots like you and management refuse to get rid of.
Personally, I’d keep both Nylander and Marner, but if the problem was “too much of the same thing”, then Nylander would logically be the one who gets traded and Marner would be re-signed because Marner is better than Nylander.
There is nobody on the UFA market that will sign in Toronto that is better than Marner or cheaper and willing to play in this tire fire franchise or market. The Leafs will have more money to spend on more garbage, like they always do.
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Marner is going to look even better than Kadri did holding that Cup over his head while Leafs fans make excuses for the idiots that run this team and the morons who support the bad decisions.
Marner just better hope he gets a top notched shooter on his line because if he doesn’t he’ll just end up being half the producer that he is.
Nice hands and nothing else, no speed, no physical play, and a meh shot. Same wimpy ass kid who played for my London Knights. I won’t miss this overpriced guy at all.
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Marner just better hope he gets a top notched shooter on his line because if he doesn’t he’ll just end up being half the producer that he is.
Nice hands and nothing else, no speed, no physical play, and a meh shot. Same wimpy ass kid who played for my London Knights. I won’t miss this overpriced guy at all.
Scored 102 points with 75 assists with a crippled Matthews who couldn’t shoot or play all season. Gave Tavares his career year high in goals prior to playing with Matthews too.
He’ll be just fine in Vegas or Dallas. And even if he doesn’t score 100 points, his hockey IQ, two-way play, will work well enough to get results on those teams.
You and many other Leafs fans just can’t see it yet, just like they couldn’t see Kadri being a playoff beast because they were too busy crying about his suspensions.
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Scored 100 points with 70+ assists with a crippled Matthews all season long. Gave Tavares his career year high in goals prior to playing with Matthews too.
He’ll be just fine in Vegas or Dallas. And even if he doesn’t score 100 points, his hockey IQ, two-way play, will work well enough to get results on those teams.
You and many other Leafs fans just can’t see it yet, just like they couldn’t see Kadri being a playoff beast because they were too busy crying about his suspensions.
Actually I can see it just fine. An injured Matthews can still shoot, his problem was only hitting the net properly, and JT shoots just fine, so those two actually strengthen my argument.
Marner is Gretzky man. With one exception. Gretzky could see a guy diving down to lay on or pin or block a puck ahead of him doing so by about 1 second and simply stick handled the puck away from being caught up in it whereas Marner doesn’t see it and always gets caught up in it. It’s why Marner always disappears in games 5,6, & 7. It’s when the ref whistles go away.
I’m not trying to be an ass here, I’m saying this with respect to Marner’s talent, but what it’s missing is Gretzky’s ability to see things before they happened.
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Ovechkin took 13 years to win the Cup. Yzerman took 14.
Perfectly Leafy that the Leafs would start the blow up of the team prematurely.
you are the one saying the leafs are done and he is leaving.. jfc
If he wants to leave, nothing they can do… and prefect time to rebuild.you talk out both sides of your mouth
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Actually I can see it just fine. An injured Matthews can still shoot, his problem was only hitting the net properly, and JT shoots just fine, so those two actually strengthen my argument.
Marner is Gretzky man. With one exception. Gretzky could see a guy diving down to lay on or pin or block a puck ahead of him doing so by about 1 second and simply stick handled the puck away from being caught up in it whereas Marner doesn’t see it and always gets caught up in it. It’s why Marner always disappears in games 5,6, & 7. It’s when the ref whistles go away.
I’m not trying to be an ass here, I’m saying this with respect to Marner’s talent, but what it’s missing is Gretzky’s ability to see things before they happened.
Actually, I don’t think you do.
Matthews missed 15 games. Marner still scored without him. Matthews scored a career low in goals and Marner had a career high in assists and points so no, your argument is weak. He can make strong players stronger and any contender will already have that. He’s not going to join a lottery team and even having a guy who can score 30 goals on his line, he literally proved this last season he can still get 75 assists and 100+ points.
If Marner couldn’t see things coming, he wouldn’t be a leader in takeaways, playing on the PK and a Selke nominee. Your analysis is wrong. He sees the play just fine. He’s part of the reason the Leafs won 3 games against the Panthers with a GWG and two primary assists on GWGs. His team around him in Toronto was just not as good as Florida.
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NOPE. WRONG. AGAIN.
You do not trade the less expensive scoring winger who controls play on his own and can produce points without others. You trade the ridiculous expensive passing/playmaking winger, especially since your leading scorer has proven he doesn’t need his help to get 40-50 and play a solid (maybe best in league) 2-way game.
Another sign you know not what you say – Marner plays against top lines by default. His centre is 34. That’s why. Coaches don’t match up wingers to other teams top lines. Why? Cause a winger has A FUCKING FRACTION of the responsibilities 5v5 that the centre does. If Marner played with JT and Willy with 34 – WILLY would be the winger on the ice against top lines. So dumb bud. Jesus at least try to get the game beyond a fat guy in mommy’s basement that plays EA Sports hockey.
- Another sign you are useless in terms of understanding what you watch – is that you feel cause Mitchy kills penalties it makes him a good 5v5 defensive player. Nope. Means he is great at PK work in a set structure where there is not as much pace and thinking. Special teams is just that – special teams. It’s not hockey.
Not a ‘hockey dumb’ point but just plain dumb – you mention I am part of the problem. That’s the deluded world you live in young man. I, like everyone else here have absolutely nothing to do with the NHL Club or its players. You racist pedo incels are nuts eh. You feel like you are making decisions? At least you can spell your own name (I assume). How are you walking up stairs? Actually you don’t walk up stairs – mommy brings you your stuff to basement. My 600lb Rare Jewel Life – coming this fall on TLC.
The fact you can’t see that roster composition
is the problem is not surprising. I mean you weren’t ever a player. At any level. They don’t make skates with the load rating for your rotund (sit in front computer all day) physic.Can your first line in response please point out the posting error (text size differential) and some spelling? I’d rather you say something correct vs you talking about a game you can’t see.
- Another sign you are useless in terms of understanding what you watch – is that you feel cause Mitchy kills penalties it makes him a good 5v5 defensive player. Nope. Means he is great at PK work in a set structure where there is not as much pace and thinking. Special teams is just that – special teams. It’s not hockey.
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Actually I can see it just fine. An injured Matthews can still shoot, his problem was only hitting the net properly, and JT shoots just fine, so those two actually strengthen my argument.Marner is Gretzky man. With one exception. Gretzky could see a guy diving down to lay on or pin or block a puck ahead of him doing so by about 1 second and simply stick handled the puck away from being caught up in it whereas Marner doesn’t see it and always gets caught up in it. It’s why Marner always disappears in games 5,6, & 7. It’s when the ref whistles go away.
I’m not trying to be an ass here, I’m saying this with respect to Marner’s talent, but what it’s missing is Gretzky’s ability to see things before they happened.
Exactly.
Marner is a great regular season player and a good game 1 to 4 playoff player, but the leafs cant afford to have two players like that on the team making $13+m.
Sure the leafs will miss marner during the reg season, and marner will do great with his new team during the reg season. Marner really stepped up in Matthews absence during the reg season and carried the team but he never did that in the playoffs.
Its been 9 years, time for some sort of change and change doesnt have to come this off season. In fact I hope the leafs dont blow all their cap this off season unless they sign a bunch of one year deals if possible.
IF Ekblad is available…sign him. Stack up the D, give guys like Tanev and OEL rest while pushing Morgan down to the 3rd line to excel….the hopefully trade next off season.
Marner wants to much money and seems like a bitchy kid, had him and matthews not demanded so much money on their 2nd contracts (and dubas caving in), I think marner could have retired a star in this town.
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you are the one saying the leafs are done and he is leaving.. jfc
If he wants to leave, nothing they can do… and prefect time to rebuild.you talk out both sides of your mouth
Pretty logical that he’s going to leave after they let his best line mate walk for nothing and the team goes into decline because they already can’t beat the best teams in the division and have little to no hope of improving with free agents.
That’s right, there is nothing they can do. Because the franchise is run by morons. They had a chance to do it right and they’re in the midst of throwing it away.
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Marner is a great regular season player and a good game 1 to 4 playoff player, but the leafs cant afford to have two players like that on the team making $13+m.
Then trade Nylander. Where did he go after Game 3? He was AWOL and didn’t even have to play vs the top line.
Marner had a GWG and two primary assists vs the Panthers. He directly helped win 3 games and defensively kept their top line in check.
That’s the player you keep.
IF Ekblad is available…sign him. -FakeChange
So let a 100 point player who helps you win games vs the Panthers in the playoffs walk for NOTHING but sign a player who scored 3 goals and 33 points last year?
Ekblad is a big, big mistake. He’s never healthy with a history of concussions, he just got suspended and he doesn’t even score as much as Rielly.
The Leafs can’t afford to sign another 7 year deal for a guy who is going to be 30-37. The Leafs blueline is already old and broken enough as it is.
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You gotta admire at least the commitment of UG though eh! Guy is proven wrong all day long and just keeps coming up with more stupid hockey takes day after day. That is either commitment or just a young man who just plum has no life.
I do like how he goes in and edits posters names though. That is neat. Super high IQ move there for sure. That is a Jr’C’ level brain if I’ve ever seen one.
Game 3 Marner blah blah – did fuck all. Mitch did 2 things all series:
1. Floated a puck without looking at the net (that was screened) and it found its way in.2. Had a giveaway (not caused by anyone just bad outlet) land on his stick and turned and shovelled the puck 2 feet along the ice (like a Jr C player could even do) to the player who scored. That’s 14 sheets worthy for sure!
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Marner had a GWG and two primary assists vs the Panthers. He directly helped win 3 games and defensively kept their top line in checkOooh game 3.
Look back over these post or look up some facts (which i know you dont like)….over the past 9 years marner has like 1 goal 8 assist or something like that in games 5-7.
In series clinching games, marner has 5 assist.Nylanders stats are better…2 goals 11pts
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Oooh game 3.
Look back over these post or look up some facts (which i know you dont like)….over the past 9 years marner has like 1 goal 8 assist or something like that in games 5-7.
In series clinching games, marner has 5 assist.Nylanders stats are better…2 goals 11pts
Or, use your brain, which I know is difficult for you and look at the most recent data which is Marner played better vs. Florida than Nylander did.
Florida is who they need to beat to win the East and possibly the Cup.
And Marner, had a GWG and two primary assists on GWG vs Florida. Literally involved in winning THREE games against Florida, something no other team did this year, not even McDavid or Kucherov.
Keep doing what you cultists do best; lie to yourself.
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Or, use your brain, which I know is difficult for you and look at the most recent data which is Marner played better vs. Florida than Nylander did.
Florida is who they need to beat to win the East and possibly the Cup.
And Marner, had a GWG and two primary assists on GWG vs Florida. Literally involved in winning THREE games against Florida, something no other team did this year, not even McDavid or Kucherov.
Keep doing what you cultists do best; lie to yourself.Ah so ignore 9 years of data and pick one game he was good. For $13m plus he should be doing more than 1 goal and 2 assist…same with Matthews
Keep on whining.
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You’re fired, UG. Cause you’re WRONG. And a GOOF. I know goofs. I know the best most expensive goofs. Leather bound, mahogany goofs. Nobody can spit a good like me.
I’m the best in all regards, regards,
DONAKD (Aka Trippy T who loves the D)
2025 Playoffs
88 vs Marner
(88) Primary Assists – 6
(16) Primary Assist – 7(88) Takeaways – 4
(16) Takeaways – 6(88) Giveaways – 8
(16) Giveaways – 13(88) Dzone Giveaways – 1
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(88) – Zero games in round 3
(16) – Zero games in round 3Yep. Both weak sauce
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Yes, so far he is almost in the same category, but I still have some hopes for him,
because of injures.
He is the Leafs first line center, without him this team
has no chance to compete.This is just rationalizing giving Matthews a free pass. The injury narrative is constant and tired. Whenever he doesn’t produce, he is magically “injured”, so he is excused.
The truth about Matthews is that he *should* be a top-3 player in this league. He has the talent. We have all seen it. The reality is that nobody on the Leafs has underperformed their talent, or their salary, in the playoffs more than he has.
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Yes, so far he is almost in the same category, but I still have some hopes for him,
because of injures.
He is the Leafs first line center, without him this team has no chance to compete.Well, not really. The teams stats without matthews are pretty darn good….when they had marner in the reg season.
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Yes, so far he is almost in the same category, but I still have some hopes for him,
because of injures.
He is the Leafs first line center, without him this team
has no chance to compete.This is just rationalizing giving Matthews a free pass. The injury narrative is constant and tired. Whenever he doesn’t produce, he is magically “injured”, so he is excused.
The truth about Matthews is that he *should* be a top-3 player in this league. He has the talent. We have all seen it. The reality is that nobody on the Leafs has underperformed their talent, or their salary, in the playoffs more than he has.
This.
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