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Are things getting interesting already this season with the Flyers win last night against Seattle? There aren’t really any stars to speak on the team, they also lack any sort of depth down the middle and their defence is suspect at best, does Tocchet just have them playing well enough to be competitive on a nightly basis? He’s going to ruin my rebuild narrative if they don’t stop being competitive against these middle tier teams!
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Are things getting interesting already this season with the Flyers win last night against Seattle? There aren’t really any stars to speak on the team, they also lack any sort of depth down the middle and their defence is suspect at best, does Tocchet just have them playing well enough to be competitive on a nightly basis? He’s going to ruin my rebuild narrative if they don’t stop being competitive against these middle tier teams!
I think they’ve been interesting all along. You could see it coming if you knew what you were looking at.
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Are things getting interesting already this season with the Flyers win last night against Seattle? There aren’t really any stars to speak on the team, they also lack any sort of depth down the middle and their defence is suspect at best, does Tocchet just have them playing well enough to be competitive on a nightly basis? He’s going to ruin my rebuild narrative if they don’t stop being competitive against these middle tier teams!
revise this discussion at the Olympic break. way too early to make any conclusions.
what happens when the goalie reverts back to his career numbers? or even a small uptick.
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Are things getting interesting already this season with the Flyers win last night against Seattle? There aren’t really any stars to speak on the team, they also lack any sort of depth down the middle and their defence is suspect at best, does Tocchet just have them playing well enough to be competitive on a nightly basis? He’s going to ruin my rebuild narrative if they don’t stop being competitive against these middle tier teams!
I think they’ve been interesting all along. You could see it coming if you knew what you were looking at.
they are a boring bland team. not interesting in the least.
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they are a boring bland team. not interesting in the least.
Clearly correct.
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they are a boring bland team. not interesting in the least.
Clearly correct.
wow you got me. You forgot the ND clip. I apologize. TK is fn punk. always has been. pseudo tough guy
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TK is fn punk. always has been. pseudo tough guy
Look, this may be hard to accept but the team has been getting decent results without their top 2 scorers from last year playing very well. We finally saw some peak TK last night.
go flyers brick by brick.
as I said get back to me at the Olympic break. 6 games are really meaningless unless they were like 0-6 getting blown out. peak tk is funny. with peak tk where has this team been?
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as I said get back to me at the Olympic break. 6 games are really meaningless unless they were like 0-6 getting blown out. peak tk is funny. with peak tk where has this team been?
The last good year the Flyers had was 19-20. That was 6 years ago already. The look better to me now than any time since 19-20. Nothing I’ve seen up to this point makes me think they’ll nosedive unless they run into a really rough injury patch and they already got through a stretch when two of their top 4 dmen were out.
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I think they’ve been interesting all along. You could see it coming if you knew what you were looking at.
They are anything but interesting, they’re a lunch bucket group who need to have extremely strong goaltending and strong, strong, systems play to have any success. They do seem quicker from what I saw last night though, maybe that’s just a figment of my imagination. I think, for whatever that’s worth, the absence of Tortorella is a big contributing factor.
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revise this discussion at the Olympic break. way too early to make any conclusions.
what happens when the goalie reverts back to his career numbers? or even a small uptick.
Agree, it’s way too early, however, there is enough there to make me say….hmmmm???
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as I said get back to me at the Olympic break. 6 games are really meaningless unless they were like 0-6 getting blown out. peak tk is funny. with peak tk where has this team been?
The last good year the Flyers had was 19-20. That was 6 years ago already. The look better to me now than any time since 19-20. Nothing I’ve seen up to this point makes me think they’ll nosedive unless they run into a really rough injury patch and they already got through a stretch when two of their top 4 dmen were out.
they do not have 2 of their top 4 dman out. Risto being a top 4 on this team does not equate to him being a legit top 4 league wide. he isn’t.
what happens when the goalies regresses back his mean?
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revise this discussion at the Olympic break. way too early to make any conclusions.
what happens when the goalie reverts back to his career numbers? or even a small uptick.
Agree, it’s way too early, however, there is enough there to make me say….hmmmm???
they have a team light schedule coming up as well. peeps gong to be peacocking around. cant wait to see it.
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they have a team light schedule coming up as well. peeps gong to be peacocking around. cant wait to see it.
I’ve always been a Tocchet fan, as a player and a coach, obviously I don’t know him as a person, so if he has them overachieving by Christmas. You’d better believe I’m gonna be strutting around…LOL!
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they have a team light schedule coming up as well. peeps gong to be peacocking around. cant wait to see it.
I’ve always been a Tocchet fan, as a player and a coach, obviously I don’t know him as a person, so if he has them overachieving by Christmas. You’d better believe I’m gonna be strutting around…LOL!
great player. bland boring coach with a losing record.
what’s his track record with russian players?
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they do not have 2 of their top 4 dman out. Risto being a top 4 on this team does not equate to him being a legit top 4 league wide. he isn’t.
what happens when the goalies regresses back his mean?
Doesn’t matter. He’ll help
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team when he’s back in the lineup.
Ersson isn’t the co-number one any more. Vladar has won the job. The Flyers will remain much better in front of him than CGY was. That’s a team that is bottoming out. You shouldn’t overestimate the bulk of the league.
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they do not have 2 of their top 4 dman out. Risto being a top 4 on this team does not equate to him being a legit top 4 league wide. he isn’t.
what happens when the goalies regresses back his mean?
Doesn’t matter. He’ll help
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team when he’s back in the lineup.
Ersson isn’t the co-number one any more. Vladar has won the job. The Flyers will remain much better in front of him than CGY was. That’s a team that is bottoming out. You shouldn’t overestimate the bulk of the league.
erson was never a co-number one IMO. he was by default. well, calgary was good last year defensively. better than the flyers. the havent been that good as he has bailed them out. nothing in vladers past suggest he will continue to post .93 save percentage.
you shouldn’t overestimate the flyers players. cant wait until april.
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erson was never a co-number one IMO. he was by default. well, calgary was good last year defensively. better than the flyers. nothing in vladers past suggest he will continue to post .93 save percentage.
you shouldn’t overestimate the flyers players. cant wait until april.
If the Flyers start scoring more, Vladar won’t need to.
The Flyers have had a few guys look like their overachieving. I certainly don’t know they haven’t found a higher level. That’s why you keep playing games.
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great player. bland boring coach with a losing record.
what’s his track record with russian players?
Given the circumstances of the situations he’s agreed to step into, coaching wise, I think he’s done ok. Players seemingly love to play for him. Like most things in life, I’m sure he’s a better coach today than he was when he first started, that’s just a natural evolution for a person and a coach.
I still maintain, the absence of Tortorella has a lot to do with the uptick in the players GAF, and you’re seeing that in their play.
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I still maintain, the absence of Tortorella has a lot to do with the uptick in the players GAF, and you’re seeing that in their play.
Whatever works. Taco deserves some credit. They look like a cohesive team most of the time. The extended in game stretches where they strung multiple bad shifts together have been few.
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I still maintain, the absence of Tortorella has a lot to do with the uptick in the players GAF, and you’re seeing that in their play.
Whatever works. Taco deserves some credit. They look like a cohesive team most of the time. The extended in game stretches where they strung multiple bad shifts together have been few.
i don’t see much diff in their play compared to torts. with the exception of the focus not being on blocking shots. as well as better goaltending.
whats with “taco”?
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i don’t see much diff in their play compared to torts. with the exception of the focus not being on blocking shots. as well as better goaltending.
whats with “taco”?
Puck support is generally much better in their own end. That’s the difference between Torts’ antiquated madness and Taco’s Box +1 system. They’re also scoring a bit more and I think there’s more of that on the way.
I think it’s funny. Hockey is entertainment.
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I would still hope to see a line of Foerster-Zegras-Michkov some time this season. The current lines are not Cup contender worthy. Not a surprise, so it would be nice to look at lines that have a decent shot at being here long-term. Glad to see Tippett is off to a great start, his limited no trade clause kicks in next season. At this point, good chance Martone will make the roster out of training camp next season, I hope the plan is not to make him earn it by starting on the 4th line.
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Flyers players seem to grasp their responsibilities in the box + 1 zone coverage system Tocchet favors.
Having watched more FLA games since April than Flyers games, I can tell you they’re generally playing the system pretty well. Not as good as Finals Florida, but pretty well. The system sort of builds in good puck support as a feature, something that was sorely lacking a lot last year. This year, I only saw it really fall apart against WPG in the 2nd period. They were a bad team with some good players last year. This year, they still have good players and they’re rounding into a good team.
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From kurz today:
Still, Michkov’s start was concerning. He simply didn’t arrive in camp in good enough shape, something that Tocchet has overtly suggested a few times. Perhaps that was partly because of the ankle injury that was conveniently revealed earlier this month after the season began, but Tocchet has also indicated that Michkov will have to do a better job of taking care of himself off the ice as he moves along in his career.
“He’s (20) years old. It’s about what am I eating? How is he recovering?” Tocchet said on Oct. 15. “When you have a young player, you almost have to tell them sometimes, you’ve got to recover here. What are you eating after games? Things like that. I think that will help him in the long run. … We have to teach him certain things like that.”
— is the smear campaign starting?
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From kurz today:
Still, Michkov’s start was concerning. He simply didn’t arrive in camp in good enough shape, something that Tocchet has overtly suggested a few times. Perhaps that was partly because of the ankle injury that was conveniently revealed earlier this month after the season began, but Tocchet has also indicated that Michkov will have to do a better job of taking care of himself off the ice as he moves along in his career.
“He’s (20) years old. It’s about what am I eating? How is he recovering?” Tocchet said on Oct. 15. “When you have a young player, you almost have to tell them sometimes, you’ve got to recover here. What are you eating after games? Things like that. I think that will help him in the long run. … We have to teach him certain things like that.”
— is the smear campaign starting?
Michkov looks fat and out of shape, I think an intervention is warranted. 🙂
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Surprising start for the geriatric Penguins, Fly boys will need a strong performance tonight, easy to get up for the Penguins though.
pens played last night. big advantage for flyers
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The base numbers are a little concerning. Across 39 games, he has just four goals and 18 assists for 22 points. That’s an eight-goal, 46-point pace over a full season whilst playing north of 20 minutes each night.
To put that in perspective, among forwards with at least 500 minutes of ice time in this span, his point-scoring rate ranks in the 23rd percentile. His goal-scoring rate is in the 3rd percentile. In other words, that’s essentially fourth-line offensive production.
It gets worse. At 5-on-5 play, he has been outscored 50–34. While that can be partially blamed on an unsustainably low PDO (sum of save and shooting percentage; a luck-based metric), he hasn’t been capable of driving a line. When separated from Sean Couturier and Matvei Michkov, he’s been outscored 18–3 with an anemic 39.79% expected goal share.
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Through 9 games they’re kind of in the muddle middle area we all thought they’d be in. There’s a new coach and new systems to learn, and there’s a serious lack of high-end talent, but they’re managing to hang around and be tough to play against, which can be both fun and boring to watch. Let’s Go Flyers!!!
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Ten games in last year, the Flyers were 3-6-1. This year, they’re 6-3-1. The turnaround has been remarkable.
Coaching_101 🙂
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That’s a huge part of it. I literally heard Boucher say Tocchet actually game plans against specific opponents, which Torts didn’t do. That’s hilariously insane, not to mention they have an actual D-zone system now. That’s not all of it though. They’re right at the top of the league in GAA and save pct. The goalies, especially Vladar, have been stopping pucks. Zegras has been extraordinary, performing well beyond expectations. The players still have to go out and make plays.
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An actual surprising October, to be honest. I thought Rick Tocchet did a good job keep a low-end skilled team fairly competitive. As the good teams start to rise though, which usually happens, I think you’ll see the Flyers back in the bottom quarter of the league. Which is where they need to be, if we’re being honest with ourselves. Keep drafting and building.
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An actual surprising October, to be honest. I thought Rick Tocchet did a good job keep a low-end skilled team fairly competitive. As the good teams start to rise though, which usually happens, I think you’ll see the Flyers back in the bottom quarter of the league. Which is where they need to be, if we’re being honest with ourselves. Keep drafting and building.
another banner for the flyers to raise.
They are playing just like the coach wants them to. Low uneventful hockey.
– How or why, he doesn’t keep MM and Zegras together is criminal. Stop with the fucking short term we have to make the playoffs approach. Keep zegras at center and live with what he gives you. He can improve on faceoffs if you allow him to stay at one spot. Stop jerking him off.
– MM playing more than a minute less than any top 9 forward is a joke. I can def see im asking out at some point. Just a matter of when
– Dvorak clearly a coach favorite. I have zero doubt they try to extend him for 3 or 4 years. Tippet also a coach favorite for some reason.
– Tocchet led teams at the bottom of the league in shots on goal last several years. Seeing who he played with over the years you would think he preaches offense even a little. Don’t se ehim ever finding any success with the flyers. Not all on him mind you. God bless his agent for getting over 5 million per year as her he has done nothing to warrant that contract in his career.
– Gaucher is what you have to offer as a call up? But he is 6’3. Need that size….
– At least it seems fans are smartening up as attendance is not good IMO. Will that force the wonder twins to act? Also looks like the flyers “big” free agent plans are down the drain
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well rick, is that not on you and how you coach? As well as how you want them to play? they seem just as neutered as with the prior coach.
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Tocchet deserves credit for improving the team defense. However, his teams shots per game has been lower top 5 over multiple seasons. This is not a coincidence. This was a major concern when the interview process was happening and Tochet was the front runner. I do not know exactly what the plan is for Michkov going forward. Supposedly, he is the foundation of the franchise going forward and on the second game of a back to back, it was a good idea to place him with Abols and Dvorak. I guess this is supposed to help him in his development. For the season, Michkov is playing under 15 minutes/game. He is being treated as a middle six forward on a team that has a clear abundance of middle six wingers. The organization seeks shelter for itself by stating they want to be better, but do not have to make the playoffs this year. Perfect mantra for an organization with an overwhelming amount of limited forwards to continue to play and hope to be an average team. Better to play safe players then give more minutes to players like Michkov, Grebenkin, and Andrae and see if they can lift the performance of the team.
Looking at the attendance numbers to start the season, the regime is losing the bet they are giving the fanbase an appealing product. After opening night, attendance has not broken above 18,009. Come see your future superstar play less then 15 minutes a game. Seems like a sketchy plan.
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Tocchet deserves credit for improving the team defense. However, his teams shots per game has been lower top 5 over multiple seasons. This is not a coincidence. This was a major concern when the interview process was happening and Tochet was the front runner. I do not know exactly what the plan is for Michkov going forward. Supposedly, he is the foundation of the franchise going forward and on the second game of a back to back, it was a good idea to place him with Abols and Dvorak. I guess this is supposed to help him in his development. For the season, Michkov is playing under 15 minutes/game. He is being treated as a middle six forward on a team that has a clear abundance of middle six wingers. The organization seeks shelter for itself by stating they want to be better, but do not have to make the playoffs this year. Perfect mantra for an organization with an overwhelming amount of limited forwards to continue to play and hope to be an average team. Better to play safe players then give more minutes to players like Michkov, Grebenkin, and Andrae and see if they can lift the performance of the team.
Looking at the attendance numbers to start the season, the regime is losing the bet they are giving the fanbase an appealing product. After opening night, attendance has not broken above 18,009. Come see your future superstar play less then 15 minutes a game. Seems like a sketchy plan.
is it him or is it the goalie making it look better?
mind boggling.
focus is playoffs only. not anything long or medium term.
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Tocchet deserves credit for improving the team defense. However, his teams shots per game has been lower top 5 over multiple seasons. This is not a coincidence. This was a major concern when the interview process was happening and Tochet was the front runner. I do not know exactly what the plan is for Michkov going forward. Supposedly, he is the foundation of the franchise going forward and on the second game of a back to back, it was a good idea to place him with Abols and Dvorak. I guess this is supposed to help him in his development. For the season, Michkov is playing under 15 minutes/game. He is being treated as a middle six forward on a team that has a clear abundance of middle six wingers. The organization seeks shelter for itself by stating they want to be better, but do not have to make the playoffs this year. Perfect mantra for an organization with an overwhelming amount of limited forwards to continue to play and hope to be an average team. Better to play safe players then give more minutes to players like Michkov, Grebenkin, and Andrae and see if they can lift the performance of the team.
Looking at the attendance numbers to start the season, the regime is losing the bet they are giving the fanbase an appealing product. After opening night, attendance has not broken above 18,009. Come see your future superstar play less then 15 minutes a game. Seems like a sketchy plan.
is it him or is it the goalie making it look better?
mind boggling.
focus is playoffs only. not anything long or medium term.
The PK has been really good so far. I don’t mind a PK not scoring goals. I thought the whole “Power Kill” mantra was silly. Allowing goalies to see the puck as opposed to expecting every player on the ice to act as a human shield seems like a better idea.
After that, yeah the offensive woes I place a lot of blame on the HC. I get the sense that he is implying not enough guys are going to the net, which he refers to as the “hard area”. Well, he inherited a roster with few net front guys to begin with, so somehow it is a shock because most of the top 6 guys with skill are below 200 lbs. Not sure it makes sense to expect most of these forwards to camp out and try to tip shots from the point. Couts and Cates, I expect could fit that bill. Grebenkin could, but Tocchet has shown an unwillingness to play him minutes. Foerster and Tippett have size, but have never really been a major part of their games. Zegras, Mickhkov, TK, and Brink will go and make plays in the center of the ice, but expecting them to camp at the crease constantly just is unrealistic. Much like the previous HC, is the current HC adjusting his style of play to his players, or do the players have to bend to his will.
The issue going forward is this brand of hockey is boring with the occasional elevated shooting % game. From the current list of top 9 forwards on the NHL roster and the AHL, the regime would have to severely reshape the forwards to play Tocchet’s style of hockey he seems intent on installing. So far at the gate, the fanbase does not seem overly enthused with this HC and brand of hockey. The supposed future star of the team has played like 1 shift in 4 OT games. Even watching the games at home, I want to see the potential star play as much as possible in another regular season that it is a fact this team is not a serious contender. He has already “earned” that right to play more from his rookie season last season. He deserves the chance to play out of his slump because if Michkov does not pan out as at least a PP/game player, this rebuild or retool is finished. Martone turning out to be a stud and the consummate scoring power forward will not be enough to carry the team to being a contender if Michkov does not work. The rest of the forward group is not talented enough to make up that gap if Michkov cannot elevate to near elite level. TK going into his 30s is not going to find enough consistency to be that guy. Foerster could be a really good two way forward, but his playmaking ability is not top tier. Brink doubtful becomes even a 60 pt guy. Zegras has shown 60 point ability in the past. Tippett will be 27 is this going to be year 1 of consistently being a 30 goal scorer- highly uncertain. Couts is an older fine 3C. Cates is a younger, but not exactly young anymore fine 3C.
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https://www.thefourthperiod.com/nov-2025/kings-exploring-market-for-winger
Well, the Flyers are certainly a team LA needs to call. Considering this is Kopitar’s last season and if they want any chance to finally go thru EDM, I would expect the Kings would be looking for a scoring forward. Need to pull off another Zegras trade because the spending spree in the summer of ’26 in free agency is already a bust.
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Well, the Flyers are certainly a team LA needs to call. Considering this is Kopitar’s last season and if they want any chance to finally go thru EDM, I would expect the Kings would be looking for a scoring forward. Need to pull off another Zegras trade because the spending spree in the summer of ’26 in free agency is already a bust.
thing is danny boy “loves” his roster. Making an actually hockey trade is difficult on his end.
keep in mind they want to make the playoffs. doubt move anyone unless a player who can play right now comes back in any deal. don’t see the flyers doing much while “in” the playoff race. if anything, they made trade a pick/prospect to improve. many teams want to add. We shall see if danny boy is smart and/or shrewd. sham they ould have zero interest in moving ex selke. with so many teams needing a center he may have inflated value.
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The PK has been really good so far. I don’t mind a PK not scoring goals. I thought the whole “Power Kill” mantra was silly. Allowing goalies to see the puck as opposed to expecting every player on the ice to act as a human shield seems like a better idea.
After that, yeah the offensive woes I place a lot of blame on the HC. I get the sense that he is implying not enough guys are going to the net, which he refers to as the “hard area”. Well, he inherited a roster with few net front guys to begin with, so somehow it is a shock because most of the top 6 guys with skill are below 200 lbs. Not sure it makes sense to expect most of these forwards to camp out and try to tip shots from the point. Couts and Cates, I expect could fit that bill. Grebenkin could, but Tocchet has shown an unwillingness to play him minutes. Foerster and Tippett have size, but have never really been a major part of their games. Zegras, Mickhkov, TK, and Brink will go and make plays in the center of the ice, but expecting them to camp at the crease constantly just is unrealistic. Much like the previous HC, is the current HC adjusting his style of play to his players, or do the players have to bend to his will.
The issue going forward is this brand of hockey is boring with the occasional elevated shooting % game. From the current list of top 9 forwards on the NHL roster and the AHL, the regime would have to severely reshape the forwards to play Tocchet’s style of hockey he seems intent on installing. So far at the gate, the fanbase does not seem overly enthused with this HC and brand of hockey. The supposed future star of the team has played like 1 shift in 4 OT games. Even watching the games at home, I want to see the potential star play as much as possible in another regular season that it is a fact this team is not a serious contender. He has already “earned” that right to play more from his rookie season last season. He deserves the chance to play out of his slump because if Michkov does not pan out as at least a PP/game player, this rebuild or retool is finished. Martone turning out to be a stud and the consummate scoring power forward will not be enough to carry the team to being a contender if Michkov does not work. The rest of the forward group is not talented enough to make up that gap if Michkov cannot elevate to near elite level. TK going into his 30s is not going to find enough consistency to be that guy. Foerster could be a really good two way forward, but his playmaking ability is not top tier. Brink doubtful becomes even a 60 pt guy. Zegras has shown 60 point ability in the past. Tippett will be 27 is this going to be year 1 of consistently being a 30 goal scorer- highly uncertain. Couts is an older fine 3C. Cates is a younger, but not exactly young anymore fine 3C.
Even if everything does work they aren’t a contender. Can you tell me who the Franchise center or franchise dman is on this roster? Not who is the best center or dman on the team, but who is their Austin Mathews, Connor McDavid, Barkov, Crosby, Makar, Ekblaad, etc? The answer is those players aren’t on the roster and that there are no realistic plans to acquire that talent.
What they can be, if everything works out, is “in the mix” to make the playoffs. That’s their ceiling. Making the playoffs would be their Stanley Cup. They can spin that to keep the fans attention and make money. That is their only goal. I don’t even think it will be possible for the next guy to do an actual rebuild even if they want to as the team has cried wolf too many times.
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tocchet is torts with just better communication skills.
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They may figure something out….but the mix of this team does not seem to be working minus cates/brink/tyson. Glad Zegras is here. I know it wasn’t the trade, but seeing how Cutter is doing so far; Zegras putting up points makes it easier to swallow I guess.
I know you can’t hit on every draft pick. But it seems like we are shooting below par when it comes to our 1st and early 2nd round picks. Just hope we win the lottery this year.
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So do they try and extend Brink? From an on ice performance standpoint makes sense. However, Zegras is adding to the glut of wingers because the HC seems determined not to allow him to be a full time center. The extensions of TK and Tippett were they the right move? TK’s has a NTC and Tippett has a limited no trade this summer. I guess they could make Martone “earn it” next season by starting him in the AHL or on the 4th line. Did I mention Grebenkin is a unique forward who wins board battles at a rate that only Foerster can match.
Full credit to the top 4 Dmen carrying the load. Would be nice to use some of these wingers and get a Dman who can move Seeler down to the 3rd pair. I am not hopeful they can solve the center problem other then continue to draft them and hope to develop. Players like Eichel only become available under extraordinary circumstances. That is not a viable plan.
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So do they try and extend Brink? From an on ice performance standpoint makes sense. However, Zegras is adding to the glut of wingers because the HC seems determined not to allow him to be a full time center. The extensions of TK and Tippett were they the right move? TK’s has a NTC and Tippett has a limited no trade this summer. I guess they could make Martone “earn it” next season by starting him in the AHL or on the 4th line. Did I mention Grebenkin is a unique forward who wins board battles at a rate that only Foerster can match.
Full credit to the top 4 Dmen carrying the load. Would be nice to use some of these wingers and get a Dman who can move Seeler down to the 3rd pair. I am not hopeful they can solve the center problem other then continue to draft them and hope to develop. Players like Eichel only become available under extraordinary circumstances. That is not a viable plan.
no fn way to both.
flyers have no plan. their big free agency plan has been blown up. Who will they sign as the next hayes.
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So do they try and extend Brink? From an on ice performance standpoint makes sense. However, Zegras is adding to the glut of wingers because the HC seems determined not to allow him to be a full time center. The extensions of TK and Tippett were they the right move? TK’s has a NTC and Tippett has a limited no trade this summer. I guess they could make Martone “earn it” next season by starting him in the AHL or on the 4th line. Did I mention Grebenkin is a unique forward who wins board battles at a rate that only Foerster can match.
Full credit to the top 4 Dmen carrying the load. Would be nice to use some of these wingers and get a Dman who can move Seeler down to the 3rd pair. I am not hopeful they can solve the center problem other then continue to draft them and hope to develop. Players like Eichel only become available under extraordinary circumstances. That is not a viable plan.
no fn way to both.
flyers have no plan. their big free agency plan has been blown up. Who will they sign as the next hayes.
If Briere does not move Tippett before his modified NTC clause kicks in it will be a mistake. He will be 27 soon, and he might get 30 goals in a season. However, his playmaking ability or defensive awareness is not going to improve. TK is sunk cost at this point, who will only be moved if he asks to go. A new coaching staff playing him in all situations even at the expense of giving shifts to players who need to develop for the team to be a contender. He is not going anywhere anytime soon.
On a somewhat separate note, still wait and see what the regime does with Dvorak. Clearly, the HC values him this season, which makes me believe why would he not want him next season. A smart GM trades him for assets at the deadline because this team is not a serious contender this season or next season with Dvorak in a top 9 role. For me the choice is easy, see how it plays out.
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We also deep dive into Matvei Michkov’s start to the season on and off the ice after an electric goal vs Ottawa.
It’s not like Michkov’s rookie year was all roses. He had three different streaks of 6-7 pointless games and was on the ice for a lot of goals against that accounted for his brutal overall -18. But he showed those flashes more often too. This year, he has one 3 game pointless streak but was even during it and has 5 points in his last 6 games and is also even during this stretch. Nothing wrong with becoming a more consistent and defensively reliable player.
The Flyers goal woes come from a 4th line that hasn’t scored once yet. Grebenkin has one but was stepping up for Foerster when he scored it. You would think they’d have something even accidentally. The D doesn’t have many goals either with four, Drysdale leading the way with 2. I normally don’t care or expect much from those areas but you need something.
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https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/flyers-farm-report-checking-in-on-2025-draftees
-martone will be a stud. IMO he iwll be the better overall player and have more of an impact than MM.
-nesbitt not exactly lighting it up.
– amico is the6/7th dman and not getting many minutes. he would have been better served playing juniors 1 year getting top minutes then head to college
– the rest ok starts nothing special so far. see what happens at by the end of the year and the progress made.
* all except martone are years away if they pan out.
brick by brick
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-martone will be a stud. IMO he will be the better overall player and have more of an impact than MM.
-nesbitt not exactly lighting it up.
– amico is the 6/7th dman and not getting many minutes. he would have been better served playing juniors 1 year getting top minutes then head to college
– the rest ok starts nothing special so far. see what happens at by the end of the year and the progress made.
* all except martone are years away if they pan out.
brick by brick
Thanks for sharing that, good read. The future is going to be exciting!! If the Flyers can just follow the lead of teams like Anaheim and or Arizona/Utah, good things will come. Just gotta keep building brick by brick like Anaheim did, and then when the time is right, add some good veterans and a quality NHL coach.
2015 – drafted Troy Terry
2018 – drafted Lukas Dostal
2019 – drafted Zegras & Jackson LaCombe
2020 – drafted Drysdale (traded for Cutter), Colangelo & Moore
2021 – drafted McTavish & Zellweger
2022 – drafted Pavel Mintyukov
2023 – drafted Leo Carlsson
2024 – drafted Beckett Sennecke & Stian Solberg
2025 – drafted Roger McQueenBrick by brick they laid down the foundation for a core and then eventually made some good trades and UFA signing, along with an NHL caliber coach. Their current success is 7 or 8 years in the making but they’ve got something nice going on there.
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I just looked up Anaheim’s lineup to see where their guys were…interesting.
Chris Kreider — Leo Carlsson — Troy Terry
Cutter Gauthier — Mason McTavish — Beckett Sennecke
Nikita Nesterenko — Ryan Poehling — Alex Killorn
Ryan Strome — Mikael Granlund — Frank Vatrano
Jackson LaCombe — Drew Helleson
Olen Zellweger — Jacob Trouba
Pavel Mintyukov — Ian Moore
Lukas Dostal
There’s a lot of “bold” there!!
*Helleson was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Josh Manson to Colorado.
*Gauthier was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Jamie Drysdale to the Flyers.
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I just looked up Anaheim’s lineup to see where their guys were…interesting.
Chris Kreider — Leo Carlsson — Troy Terry
Cutter Gauthier — Mason McTavish — Beckett Sennecke
Nikita Nesterenko — Ryan Poehling — Alex Killorn
Ryan Strome — Mikael Granlund — Frank Vatrano
Jackson LaCombe — Drew Helleson
Olen Zellweger — Jacob Trouba
Pavel Mintyukov — Ian Moore
Lukas Dostal
There’s a lot of “bold” there!!
*Helleson was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Josh Manson to Colorado.
*Gauthier was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Jamie Drysdale to the Flyers.
*Poehling was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Trevor Zegras to the Flyers.How many are top 5 picks? Top 3? Do the Flyers have a young franchise center on a rookie contract drafted at #2 overall? How many of any of those do the Fleyrs have?
These teams are not the same. Brick by brick my ass. They are a bad team who had little cap space or assets. They rebranded a bad team with several veteran 8 year contracts that hired a fossil abusive coach off his couch so that he could yell at the players and media for 3 years to distract fans. Then proceeded to give out more 8 year contracts. There’s bad with a plan and then there’s the Flyers.
If they could’ve afforded a Kevin Hayes or another Ristolainen in FA, they would’ve. Good news, this offseason they can afford to hand out more 8 year contracts to vets. Brick by brick.
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But this has been a trend for a little while. Since the start of November, the Orange and Black have a 46.31% expected goal share at 5-on-5. That’s the seventh-worst mark in the league, and their 40.00% goal share further outlines the direness of the situation.
The Flyers have done well to survive, sitting at 3–3–2 this month, but they’ve only won a single game in regulation or overtime. When shootouts are out of the equation, this team hasn’t been great recently—the kind of stretch that indicates a long losing streak could be on the horizon.
I still find it hilarious that the Flyers preferred Jett ride the pine in the NHL than playing top minutes in the OHL. Also, Andrae is “earning” his minutes. He more than earned his spot in training camp, especially compared to Jett, yet Jett is the golden boy who could do no wrong. Will their decision making ever improve?
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I would try a forest – zegras – MM line. I doubt the coach will however. Think Tyson has more ot offer if playing with more skilled players.
No need not to try something diff and break up the cates line. See above.
Ex selke has been offering nothing offensively. Not a damn thing.
The 4th line is once again a disgrace. After all these years they still can’t ice a quality bottom line. Disgraceful. GH looks shot. Should have been moved long before his ext.
A smart organization would look into moving Dvorak. Since it is the flyers look for an ext before the trade deadline. Term will be the question. Probably 3 or 4 years. 4.5 per?
Send Russian #2 down to LHV if not going to play every game. Zero need for ND to play at all.
Seeler is another guy that should be moved. He is playing up in the lineup, not his fault, when he should be a bottom pair dman. Gives you what he has though that doesn’t cut it.
Good to see andrae get more minutes. Figure out if he has a future role.
Still laughable MM getting the least top 9 minutes.
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The rebuild plan is going to a tee!! They’re still slightly competitive enough to draw in ticket revenue, primarily a gate driven league, but still bad enough that they’ll be selling at the deadline to acquire more quality picks and hopefully get into a top three overall selection. It’s a great time to be a Flyer fan.
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The rebuild plan is going to a tee!! They’re still slightly competitive enough to draw in ticket revenue, primarily a gate driven league, but still bad enough that they’ll be selling at the deadline to acquire more quality picks and hopefully get into a top three overall selection. It’s a great time to be a Flyer fan.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/attendance.cgi
fans starting to wake a little.
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fans starting to wake a little.
https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7439
It’s even more obvious in the year over year numbers. Lowest attendance in 30 years, except for the lockout year. I think they bought the New Error in Orange until Torts lit a match, threw it in the fuel tank and walked away last year. Without all the Torts drama the focus has shifted back to the on ice product that doesn’t have a Bedard type franchise center to promote/build around and the best young player they have, is hardly playing. But they did get bigger to prepare for that deep run.
Considering how the Flyers are one of the few teams that like to build from the bottom up it is absurd how unproductive they are. That’s multiple flyers coaches/gms who think ND deserves ice time.
Rebuild over without drafting or acquiring a single franchise cornerstone. Flyers roster building at it’s finest.
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https://onpattison.com/news/2025/nov/16/fourth-and-long-flyers-bottom-line-may-need-a-makeover/
Now, with the Flyers believing they can make it into the playoff field, there’s more of an onus of a need to provide more from the fourth line.
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All told, being 2-3-1 in those six games isn’t awful, but what is a noticeable trend from both is concerning – the Flyers look slow and gassed by the third game. They shouldn’t be. They are the fourth-youngest team in the NHL, so they should have reserve fuel that most other teams do not.And yet, they don’t.
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It’s even more obvious in the year over year numbers. Lowest attendance in 30 years, except for the lockout year. I think they bought the New Error in Orange until Torts lit a match, threw it in the fuel tank and walked away last year. Without all the Torts drama the focus has shifted back to the on ice product that doesn’t have a Bedard type franchise center to promote/build around and the best young player they have, is hardly playing. But they did get bigger to prepare for that deep run.
Considering how the Flyers are one of the few teams that like to build from the bottom up it is absurd how unproductive they are. That’s multiple flyers coaches/gms who think ND deserves ice time.
Rebuild over without drafting or acquiring a single franchise cornerstone. Flyers roster building at it’s finest.
The rebuild is just starting, don’t buy into their verbal diarrhea about it being over and them hoping the worst is behind them. They secretly want to finish at the bottom again, they just won’t outwardly say it because they still want fans to believe. Exciting times…Lets Go Flyers!!!
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Flyer’s 4th line is embarrassing really. The fact ND plays any games is a joke. Still shows the dumb mentality of the flyer’s way. The 3 they use offer next to nothing.
Wonder what vet they bring in to solidify that 4th line. Tocchet will be in his ear.
The 4th line is really meaningless, it’s a huge nothing burger, they’re rebuilding, results at this point are finishing as low in the standings as they can.
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The rebuild is just starting, don’t buy into their verbal diarrhea about it being over and them hoping the worst is behind them. They secretly want to finish at the bottom again, they just won’t outwardly say it because they still want fans to believe. Exciting times…Lets Go Flyers!!!
Or they are just incompetent ex-flyers over their heads feeding at the trough as long as they can. Say what you want about CHI but they did an actual rebuild instead of a rebrand, were honest with their fans, and now have one of the best young exciting centers in the league, lots of young possibly elite talent on rookie contracts and a clean cap sheet to market and build around. The Flyers have a 32 yr old coming off of multiple back surgeries in the middle of a very bad 8 year contract and multiple other 8 year contracts. Their crown jewel prospect at center is a projected 3rd line energy player who was overdrafted but he is a 200 ft player who lives in the weight room. Go Flyers?
The Flyers have done everything possible to avoid being in position to draft a Bedard type player. Hell it took Torts 3 years to realize that he couldn’t yell and berate the team into the playoffs and once he did, he flipped the team the middle finger and rode off into the sunset. He literally said he doesn’t want to coach a team in the position the Flyers are in which lends credence that either they are incompetent or delusional.
It’s been 3 drafts and the foundational pieces should be there and there are none. There is nobody in the system that is going to ride in and save the day at the top of the lineup for the next 10-15 years. They actively avoided drafting a potential franchise dman. Michkov and Martone may end up being good/great complementary pieces but that #1 center and #1 dman are giant black holes for the next GM to worry about.
Is Bonk even still alive? Him and Risto seem to be in witness protection.
Also Zegras and Drysdale both finish their 2nd contracts this year, they will both be playing for new 8 year contracts.
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Flyer’s 4th line is embarrassing really. The fact ND plays any games is a joke. Still shows the dumb mentality of the flyer’s way. The 3 they use offer next to nothing.
Wonder what vet they bring in to solidify that 4th line. Tocchet will be in his ear.
The 4th line is really meaningless, it’s a huge nothing burger, they’re rebuilding, results at this point are finishing as low in the standings as they can.
4th line is Not meaningless. That is a typical flyers fan defending the orgin-eye-zation. If you have a good 4th line you don’t have to overplay others every single game. Thet get zero contribution from those 3 players. As said before, can’t even draft player to fill a competent 4th line. Rebuilding lol.
Just starting the rebuild is good stuff. Bad troll job on your part.
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Or they are just incompetent ex-flyers over their heads feeding at the trough as long as they can. Say what you want about CHI but they did an actual rebuild instead of a rebrand, were honest with their fans, and now have one of the best young exciting centers in the league, lots of young possibly elite talent on rookie contracts and a clean cap sheet to market and build around. The Flyers have a 32 yr old coming off of multiple back surgeries in the middle of a very bad 8 year contract and multiple other 8 year contracts. Their crown jewel prospect at center is a projected 3rd line energy player who was overdrafted but he is a 200 ft player who lives in the weight room. Go Flyers?
The Flyers have done everything possible to avoid being in position to draft a Bedard type player. Hell it took Torts 3 years to realize that he couldn’t yell and berate the team into the playoffs and once he did, he flipped the team the middle finger and rode off into the sunset. He literally said he doesn’t want to coach a team in the position the Flyers are in which lends credence that either they are incompetent or delusional.
It’s been 3 drafts and the foundational pieces should be there and there are none. There is nobody in the system that is going to ride in and save the day at the top of the lineup for the next 10-15 years. They actively avoided drafting a potential franchise dman. Michkov and Martone may end up being good/great complementary pieces but that #1 center and #1 dman are giant black holes for the next GM to worry about.
Is Bonk even still alive? Him and Risto seem to be in witness protection.
Also Zegras and Drysdale both finish their 2nd contracts this year, they will both be playing for new 8 year contracts.
– They are def incompetent.
– Ex selke looks shot from an offensive standpoint. Only 4.5 more years.
– Torts quit. One overlooked aspect about Tocchet is that he quit on Vancouver as well. Took his ball and went home to ease into retirement.
– Flyers gonna build around their wingers. They will show the rest of the NHL how it is done.
– Amazes me after 2 games they moves zegras to the wing. I lied not amazing at all as it’s all about the short term making the playoffs.
– If they give JD anything more than 3 years at this time that would be funny. They will very likely give zegras 8 and not sure if that is wise just yet. Zegras holds a lot of cards now. Does he play it slow or go for the bag.
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8. After back-to-back healthy scratches, word filtered that Ducks defenceman Pavel Mintyukov would like to be moved if he’s not going to play. He has fallen behind Jackson LaCombe and Olen Zellweger on the left side of Anaheim’s defence. Ian Moore, who had a strong camp, was elevated in Mintyukov’s place. This is the 10th overall pick in the 2022 draft, so Ducks GM Pat Verbeek will not be rushed into anything. Something to keep an eye on.
is there a deal to be made with the flyers?
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Seravalli critiqued the Flyers’ urge to take steps forward in 2025–26. A glass-half-empty way of looking at it is that they’ve returned to murky-middle status: not good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to pick high in the draft.
Seravalli describes them as, “A team that’s not capable of getting to the bottom, that has not necessarily orchestrated this order correctly.” He continued, “Your only job this year, instead of trying to be competitive, should be to gain one of those five to six franchise-changing players that exist in the 2026 NHL Draft.”He went on to say that the Flyers’ season will be a failure should they fail to make that draft-day splash. That starts with their offseason. “They got a little ahead of their skis in terms of trying to inch this forward in a year where you didn’t need to. It’s an unforced error.”
No matter what you may think of Seravalli, this is the first time in 3.5 years someone on Comcast’s payroll has had the guts to say something like this.
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The playoffs are all in the flyers hands. They control their own destiny. Anything less than that would be a disappointment at this stage.
Why not? 97 points is the magic number. They need 72 more points to get there and have 62 games to get them. That’s not an insurmountable task.
The playoffs are all in the flyers hands. They control their own destiny. Anything less than that would be a disappointment at this stage.
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The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
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The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
With pretty much every team in the playoff “picture now would be a good time to try to sell high on players. There will be plenty of buyers. Stop with this short term we need to make the playoff nonsense. Its about the future.
Now we know they will not sell. More than likely find the next Nate Thompson or Alex Grant. As you said they want the playoffs. They will view that as a successful season.
Not really when you see what the goal this season is about .
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The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
With pretty much every team in the playoff “picture now would be a good time to try to sell high on players. There will be plenty of buyers. Stop with this short term we need to make the playoff nonsense. Its about the future.
Now we know they will not sell. More than likely find the next Nate Thompson or Alex Grant. As you said they want the playoffs. They will view that as a successful season.
Not really when you see what the goal this season is about .
I agree. There is no doubt in my mind the HC would want Dvorak past this season. The GM cannot allow the team to stockpile bottom 6 centers. He already has 2 of them under contract for awhile. I’m sorry Noah Cates will not be a 2C in his career. That is not a slight, just reality. Couts is sunk cost. The rumor of them wanting another bottom 6 center to help the roster is frankly laughable. Acquiring more grinders is not going to make them overtake CAR and NJ for the division. Figuring out a way to supplement offensive talent besides Michkov and Zegras closes the gap.
Vladar for his career has only played 30 games in one season. He is already up to 13 games. We will see if he can maintain this level of play for an entire season. This HC has little evidence in his past to suggest he can win with offensive output.
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The Flyers will never get it. Dvorak is a 2-3rd line center. Cates is at best a 3rd line center. Coots makes too much money for what he offers. You refuse to play Zegras at center. You will finish just outside of the playoffs this year. How will they improve at center? I haven’t even referenced the defense. They are A LONG WAY away.
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The Flyers will never get it. Dvorak is a 2-3rd line center. Cates is at best a 3rd line center. Coots makes too much money for what he offers. You refuse to play Zegras at center. You will finish just outside of the playoffs this year. How will they improve at center? I haven’t even referenced the defense. They are A LONG WAY away.
When the Flyer signed Dvorak over the summer, I understood the move. Overpaid bottom 6 center for one year. Briere could retain salary at the deadline and get a good asset back. He could fill a spot if Luchanko was not ready. Let Zegras play center and have Dvorak take certain faceoffs when G Was paired with Couts. That plan lasted about 5 games apparently. If Briere does not move Dvorak at the deadline for an asset, it is a failure. Trying to make the playoffs with no shot at the Cup does not justify keeping Dvorak. It would only compound the mistake because I guess the Zegras at center experiment is over. If Tocchet could not allow Zegras to play center against Tampa in the 3rd period last after watching the first two periods, I doubt it happens at all this season with any regularity.
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The Flyers will never get it. Dvorak is a 2-3rd line center. Cates is at best a 3rd line center. Coots makes too much money for what he offers. You refuse to play Zegras at center. You will finish just outside of the playoffs this year. How will they improve at center? I haven’t even referenced the defense. They are A LONG WAY away.
When the Flyer signed Dvorak over the summer, I understood the move. Overpaid bottom 6 center for one year. Briere could retain salary at the deadline and get a good asset back. He could fill a spot if Luchanko was not ready. Let Zegras play center and have Dvorak take certain faceoffs when G Was paired with Couts. That plan lasted about 5 games apparently. If Briere does not move Dvorak at the deadline for an asset, it is a failure. Trying to make the playoffs with no shot at the Cup does not justify keeping Dvorak. It would only compound the mistake because I guess the Zegras at center experiment is over. If Tocchet could not allow Zegras to play center against Tampa in the 3rd period last after watching the first two periods, I doubt it happens at all this season with any regularity.
unless the flyers fall out of the race, be prepared for failure.
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100% Dvorak will get a 3/4-year ext at 4.5 per if not more. Especially when you see what’s available now in free agency. He is solid bland player. Doesn’t really help the skilled guys at all imo.
Vladar is interesting from the POV of what value would he have to a team like the Oilers if he keeps up his play the next 2/3 months. Now there is no way the flyers would move him as they are not a forward-thinking management team. Shit he may get an ext this summer if he has a consistent year.
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The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
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You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
Or maybe Tocchet is given to much credit for reaching the playoffs 2 times in 9 years. If you want to give him credit for the good year, then he deserves credit for the bad year that followed.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/flyers-hire-rick-tocchet-analyzing-190007180.html
As recently as March of this year, Tocchet admitted to trying to “re-program” Elias Pettersson, even after the star Swede scored 102 points under his watch just over a year prior.
“You’ve got to play north hockey. Regroup hockey, taking the puck back, won’t win in the NHL,” Tocchet had said. “I think sometimes Petey likes to regroup, slow the game down. I’m not sure how many years ago doing that might’ve worked, but now you have to play a more north style, and we’re just trying to re-program his brain when it comes to that, and he’s buying into that. That’s why I think he’s getting better at that, but there is another level for us and our team.”
Pettersson, of course, scored only 45 points last season, marking easily the worst full season of his NHL career from an offensive standpoint.
And, speaking of Pettersson, another mark against Tocchet is the widely-reported rift between the former and J.T. Miller, which culminated in Miller’s trade to the New York Rangers on Jan. 31.
It was a problem when Boudreau arrived in Vancouver, and it was a problem when Tocchet arrived in Vancouver.
But it only boiled over under Tocchet’s watch, and the Canucks failed to address it before first setting half their season on fire.Sounds a bit like what he is trying to do with Michkov. The point is he doesn’t care if a guy scores a 100 points if it’s not his way.
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The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
he has not done an amazing job.
he is riding the coattails of a goalie having a career year so far; does that sound familiar? 23/24 he also rode the coattails of some players having career years. that year is an outlier for his entire coaching career.
I wonder who will last longer, Danny or Tocchet.
its not clear he isn’t a good fit at center as they never game him any chance to find out. that is what a smart rebuilding organization would have done.
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he has not done an amazing job.
he is riding the coattails of a goalie having a career year so far; does that sound familiar? 23/24 he also rode the coattails of some players having career years. that year is an outlier for his entire coaching career.
I wonder who will last longer, Danny or Tocchet.
its not clear he isn’t a good fit at center as they never game him any chance to find out. that is what a smart rebuilding organization would have done.
Yea, you can’t count 2 games as “giving him a chance”. Is him playing winger the best fit in the short term while trying to win this year? Possibly but that just reflects the total disconnect with what they are saying vs what they are doing because they need to find out if he can play center for the long term even if playing winger this year gives them a short term boost.
With the Flyers only being 1 point out of last place it’s scary how far they could fall if he wasn’t doing a good job. But seriously everyone is in the mix, it’s november and the overtime point system is keeping everything close as the NHL prefers. What should be scary is that the Flyers are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even with that offensive 6 goal outburst the other day. Without that they might be the worst and as mentioned, without Vlader playing way way way beyond anything he’s ever done before so far this season, there’d be hope for a top 3 draft pick.
God forbid they actually try to do a rebuild and draft a center like Bedard or a top defenseman but it’s easier to bullshit about rebuilding than doing what CHI did.
But hey, i hear the Flyers are going to trade half the team for Quinn Hughes because apparently the Flyers have so many great picks and players Vancouver would be fools to say no.
Flyers reportedly interested in acquiring Quinn Hughes from Canucks
The Flyers will try every way but the right way to build a team and interestingly enough they keep calling their way “the right way” even as it continues to fail.
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You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
Or maybe Tocchet is given to much credit for reaching the playoffs 2 times in 9 years. If you want to give him credit for the good year, then he deserves credit for the bad year that followed.
As recently as March of this year, Tocchet admitted to trying to “re-program” Elias Pettersson, even after the star Swede scored 102 points under his watch just over a year prior.
“You’ve got to play north hockey. Regroup hockey, taking the puck back, won’t win in the NHL,” Tocchet had said. “I think sometimes Petey likes to regroup, slow the game down. I’m not sure how many years ago doing that might’ve worked, but now you have to play a more north style, and we’re just trying to re-program his brain when it comes to that, and he’s buying into that. That’s why I think he’s getting better at that, but there is another level for us and our team.”Pettersson, of course, scored only 45 points last season, marking easily the worst full season of his NHL career from an offensive standpoint.
And, speaking of Pettersson, another mark against Tocchet is the widely-reported rift between the former and J.T. Miller, which culminated in Miller’s trade to the New York Rangers on Jan. 31.
It was a problem when Boudreau arrived in Vancouver, and it was a problem when Tocchet arrived in Vancouver.
But it only boiled over under Tocchet’s watch, and the Canucks failed to address it before first setting half their season on fire.Sounds a bit like what he is trying to do with Michkov. The point is he doesn’t care if a guy scores a 100 points if it’s not his way.
Tocchet also quit on the canucks. Took his ball and left. Shocked that never gets brought up.
As far as MM, wonder if tocchet even knows who Kucherov is and ever watched him play. North/south hockey. Another example of a coach unwilling to adapt or do anything different.
It is a proven fact tocchet is not a good coach. God bless his agent as if I were a coach or player I would hire him asap.
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I have said I can see a MM for Hughes happening. Flyers will have to add to MM. What that add is not sure.
Even without an ext the flyers will make this deal.
IMO the flyers will trade MM by the end of the summer
Michkov for Hughes would be an absolute steal on the Flyers part!!
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Rather move heaven and earth for Dahlin, then Hughes. I believe once he gets out of BUF, he will be a perennial Norris top 3 candidate. Maybe Briere can start by offering the greatest 3rd line in hockey as the foundation of the trade. I just don’t see BUF being satisfied with prospects and picks. I would try to avoid including Michkov or Martone in a trade, but I would think about depending on what other assets are involved.
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Rather move heaven and earth for Dahlin, then Hughes. I believe once he gets out of BUF, he will be a perennial Norris top 3 candidate. Maybe Briere can start by offering the greatest 3rd line in hockey as the foundation of the trade. I just don’t see BUF being satisfied with prospects and picks. I would try to avoid including Michkov or Martone in a trade, but I would think about depending on what other assets are involved.
flyers are buffalo south, doubt he wants to come here
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Rather move heaven and earth for Dahlin, then Hughes. I believe once he gets out of BUF, he will be a perennial Norris top 3 candidate. Maybe Briere can start by offering the greatest 3rd line in hockey as the foundation of the trade. I just don’t see BUF being satisfied with prospects and picks. I would try to avoid including Michkov or Martone in a trade, but I would think about depending on what other assets are involved.
flyers are buffalo south, doubt he wants to come here
I have said I can see a MM for Hughes happening. Flyers will have to add to MM. What that add is not sure.
Even without an ext the flyers will make this deal.
IMO the flyers will trade MM by the end of the summer
Michkov for Hughes would be an absolute steal on the Flyers part!!
flyers have to add (york and a 1st?) as I said. wont be a steal if he doesnt sign an ext
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Rather move heaven and earth for Dahlin, then Hughes. I believe once he gets out of BUF, he will be a perennial Norris top 3 candidate. Maybe Briere can start by offering the greatest 3rd line in hockey as the foundation of the trade. I just don’t see BUF being satisfied with prospects and picks. I would try to avoid including Michkov or Martone in a trade, but I would think about depending on what other assets are involved.
If you truly believe that then he is worth more than either Michkov or Martone. Norris caliber dmen are worth more than good/potentially good wingers. They could always try to draft one but that’s crazy talk. Everyone knows the only way to get your #1 center and #1 dman is to trade for them, nobody actually does a rebuild.
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Rather move heaven and earth for Dahlin, then Hughes. I believe once he gets out of BUF, he will be a perennial Norris top 3 candidate. Maybe Briere can start by offering the greatest 3rd line in hockey as the foundation of the trade. I just don’t see BUF being satisfied with prospects and picks. I would try to avoid including Michkov or Martone in a trade, but I would think about depending on what other assets are involved.
If you truly believe that then he is worth more than either Michkov or Martone. Norris caliber dmen are worth more than good/potentially good wingers. They could always try to draft one but that’s crazy talk. Everyone knows the only way to get your #1 center and #1 dman is to trade for them, nobody actually does a rebuild.
flyers do a great job at developing and bringing along dman. would dahlin flourish in philly?
I dont think they will move martone. MM 100% they will move for a #D like hughes.
Remember tocchet played for the flyers when they hated russians. he has that ingrained in him as well lol!!!
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flyers do a great job at developing and bringing along dman. would dahlin flourish in philly?
I dont think they will move martone. MM 100% they will move for a #D like hughes.
Remember tocchet played for the flyers when they hated russians. he has that ingrained in him as well lol!!!
That made me laugh. Flyers have spent more on trying to buy a defense than probably anyone else in the history of the NHL.
Speaking of Russians poor Greb. It’s got to be humiliating being sat for NicD and that awesome 4th line. NicD who doesn’t even have a SOG all year. That kid needs to get as far away from the Flyers and Tocchet as he can ASAP.
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not a tough choice at all to any person with common sense. send the russian down to get playing time. maybe back to toronto for laughton…..
flyers have the worst 4th line in hockey by far.
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“It’s tough because right now, we’re looking for fourth-line identity,” said Flyers head coach Rick Tocchet.
all one can do is continually laugh at the flyers and their philosophy.
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Rather move heaven and earth for Dahlin, then Hughes. I believe once he gets out of BUF, he will be a perennial Norris top 3 candidate. Maybe Briere can start by offering the greatest 3rd line in hockey as the foundation of the trade. I just don’t see BUF being satisfied with prospects and picks. I would try to avoid including Michkov or Martone in a trade, but I would think about depending on what other assets are involved.
If you truly believe that then he is worth more than either Michkov or Martone. Norris caliber dmen are worth more than good/potentially good wingers. They could always try to draft one but that’s crazy talk. Everyone knows the only way to get your #1 center and #1 dman is to trade for them, nobody actually does a rebuild.
To acquire a potential #1 Dman below 30 is going to require significant assets, I agree. I certainly do not believe Briere should start with Michkov or Martone. Certainly, he might have to get there, we’ll see. Has there been a #1 Dman under 30 traded since Kimmo? I cannot remember. I do not consider Hanifin a #1 Dman. Pronger was well over 30. I would be curious if there are other examples to possibly review on trade compensation. I guess the question is for BUF, do they want picks and prospects as the primary assets. Or young players under term, who they believe can contribute today and in the future.
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https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/what_is_the_state_of_the_flyers_rebuild/s1_16958_43119476
The Flyers have not undergone a full “rebuild” under Briere and Jones, even though the duo has not been afraid to use the word in the media. The Flyers have gone more in the direction of a “retool on the fly” under the new regime, holding on to younger assets and players that preceded the regime change.
Once thought to have gone the way of the dodo, full rebuilds have resurfaced recently as a formidable option for reigniting franchises in turmoil. Due to the early successes of the Anaheim Ducks, Chicago Blackhawks, and San Jose Sharks during the 2025-26 campaign, it has left many questioning the path the Flyers have taken since the new regime took the reins of the front office more than 18 months ago.I feel the end for this regime is getting closer as multiple outlets are now questioning the Flyers after being in lockstep through the New Err of Orange – Tortorella edition.
What do you get the rudderless franchise that has everything for the holidays? A partnership with a casino of course! The Mohegan will part of all digital and in game advertising while offering multiple promotions at the rink as well as offering exclusive Flyers parlays. The gambling scandals may be more entertaining than the on ice product.
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your nuts to think this regime is near the end. they have plenty of run way left imo
There is zero chance Jones and Briere are going anywhere, any time soon. They’re just starting the process of re-tooling the club and building some youth through the draft. Is there a long ways to go, yes, absolutely, their center depth is almost nonexistent, but they’re heading in the right direction with youth. Aren’t the Flyers one of the youngest teams in the league?
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There is zero chance Jones and Briere are going anywhere, any time soon. They’re just starting the process of re-tooling the club and building some youth through the draft. Is there a long ways to go, yes, absolutely, their center depth is almost nonexistent, but they’re heading in the right direction with youth. Aren’t the Flyers one of the youngest teams in the league?
You may be right on DB and Jones but some are now questioning the, as you accurately call it, re-tool which has been misleadingly called a rebuild for 2.5 years. DB has been here for 3 offeseasons and 3 drafts, there’s a reason the center depth is nonexistant and he’s the reason. Jett is projected to be a 3rd line center and that is his crown jewel. How can they be headed in the right direction when their only plan for addressing the hard positions which DB has neglected is praying to the heavens that a franchise center or franchise Dman are available for trade, the Flyers are able to make the best offer, and they want to come here? Good luck. Doesn’t sound so much different than Fletcher. Hayes was the best center available at the time and they paid whatever it took to get him. Does DBs plan sound much different?
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You may be right on DB and Jones but some are now questioning the, as you accurately call it, re-tool which has been misleadingly called a rebuild for 2.5 years. DB has been here for 3 off-seasons and 3 drafts, there’s a reason the center depth is nonexistant and he’s the reason. Jett is projected to be a 3rd line center and that is his crown jewel. How can they be headed in the right direction when their only plan for addressing the hard positions which DB has neglected is praying to the heavens that a franchise center or franchise Dman are available for trade, the Flyers are able to make the best offer, and they want to come here? Good luck. Doesn’t sound so much different than Fletcher. Hayes was the best center available at the time and they paid whatever it took to get him. Does DBs plan sound much different?
Well, let me start by saying, three years in the grand scheme of things, isn’t a long timeline. Secondly, he was promoted to full time GM in May of 2023, since then they’ve done well in the draft given their draft positions, they’ve acquired some good young talent and they tried to maximize their number of picks. If they get two players from any one draft, they’ve done well. Michkkov, Bonk, Bjarnason and Barkley are good picks, but the later three need time to develop. I think Jack Berglund is going to surprise people when he eventually comes over, he’s only 19 years old and still developing, same with Luchanko just turned 19 in late August, he’s got lots of time to develop into even a middle six player. All the kids from the 2025 draft are just that, young kids, let them soak and develop. Everyone is impatient, I get that, the team has been shit and poorly ran for a long time. I’m hopeful, but I’m almost 60 years old, so experience tells me to be patient and see where they go with this. There wasn’t exactly anyone at the center position screaming out “TAKE ME” when they were picking in the draft, you can’t make up stuff that isn’t there.
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You may be right on DB and Jones but some are now questioning the, as you accurately call it, re-tool which has been misleadingly called a rebuild for 2.5 years. DB has been here for 3 off-seasons and 3 drafts, there’s a reason the center depth is nonexistant and he’s the reason. Jett is projected to be a 3rd line center and that is his crown jewel. How can they be headed in the right direction when their only plan for addressing the hard positions which DB has neglected is praying to the heavens that a franchise center or franchise Dman are available for trade, the Flyers are able to make the best offer, and they want to come here? Good luck. Doesn’t sound so much different than Fletcher. Hayes was the best center available at the time and they paid whatever it took to get him. Does DBs plan sound much different?
Well, let me start by saying, three years in the grand scheme of things, isn’t a long timeline. Secondly, he was promoted to full time GM in May of 2023, since then they’ve done well in the draft given their draft positions, they’ve acquired some good young talent and they tried to maximize their number of picks. If they get two players from any one draft, they’ve done well. Michkkov, Bonk, Bjarnason and Barkley are good picks, but the later three need time to develop. I think Jack Berglund is going to surprise people when he eventually comes over, he’s only 19 years old and still developing, same with Luchanko just turned 19 in late August, he’s got lots of time to develop into even a middle six player. All the kids from the 2025 draft are just that, young kids, let them soak and develop. Everyone is impatient, I get that, the team has been shit and poorly ran for a long time. I’m hopeful, but I’m almost 60 years old, so experience tells me to be patient and see where they go with this. There wasn’t exactly anyone at the center position screaming out “TAKE ME” when they were picking in the draft, you can’t make up stuff that isn’t there.
based on what?
they have 1 potential elite level propsect.1. the rest are nothing but depth types if they pan out. though thats what danny boy wants.
“But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.”
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based on what?
they have 1 potential elite level propsect.1. the rest are nothing but depth types if they pan out. though thats what danny boy wants.
“But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.”
Based on the fact you don’t have to draft a superstar to have had a good draft, that’s just ridiculous. There’s 23 guys on a roster who need to contribute, but yes, the Flyers need a better players in all positions. Drafting 1st overall means you probably had a really bad year, but no, Flyers fans don’t want that, and when they do have a bad year, like last year, they deem management as failures. You can’t have it both ways. Drafting high means you have a bad team, but you have to void out the fan noise and just go through with it.
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its way too early to say danny boys drafts have been good or bad. so far only 2 players who were both high picks look to have a good nhl future. need a few more years to see how it plays out.
either way you need elite level players to win. flyers lack that on the roster and the farm system.
They have some nice prospects they’ve taken in the past three drafts, but yes, lets see how that plays out with those kids. And another yes, having elite talent helps you win Cups, no question, but in a salary cap world, 99.99% of the time you have to acquire them via the draft, which means you typically have to finish near the bottom of the league. As I said, you can’t have it both ways. Dallas doesn’t have any “superstars”, in my opinion, yes they have great players but they don’t have McDavid or MacKinnon on their team. They just slowly drafted well and they’ve been very competitive for awhile now. If you can’t get a superstar, be more like the Dallas Stars.
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its way too early to say danny boys drafts have been good or bad. so far only 2 players who were both high picks look to have a good nhl future. need a few more years to see how it plays out.
either way you need elite level players to win. flyers lack that on the roster and the farm system.
They have some nice prospects they’ve taken in the past three drafts, but yes, lets see how that plays out with those kids. And another yes, having elite talent helps you win Cups, no question, but in a salary cap world, 99.99% of the time you have to acquire them via the draft, which means you typically have to finish near the bottom of the league. As I said, you can’t have it both ways. Dallas doesn’t have any “superstars”, in my opinion, yes they have great players but they don’t have McDavid or MacKinnon on their team. They just slowly drafted well and they’ve been very competitive for awhile now. If you can’t get a superstar, be more like the Dallas Stars.
Every team has “nice” prospects. That doesn’t cut it.
The path the flyers are on and have taken will lead to nowhere. There is no path to sustained cup contention. They continue to spin their wheels. They refuse to pick a path. Towing the middle of the road leaves you in the middle of the road. There is no savior on the way. No buying their way to cup contention via free agency. No one is trading you a #1 center or #1 Dman. They are a poorly run franchise.
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Every team has “nice” prospects. That doesn’t cut it.
The path the flyers are on and have taken will lead to nowhere. There is no path to sustained cup contention. They continue to spin their wheels. They refuse to pick a path. Towing the middle of the road leaves you in the middle of the road. There is no savior on the way. No buying their way to cup contention via free agency. No one is trading you a #1 center or #1 Dman. They are a poorly run franchise.
Yes, they are, or at least they have been. I don’t truly know what their current path is, it’s probably a fluid one, it’s definitely not a hard rebuild. Which I think they should do, but that requires a lot of losing for a consistent number of years. But as a fan, I’m ok with that.
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I do believe Quinn Hughes does get traded and has no interest in extending in VAN. There has not been many top tier players who have been traded with more then a few months left on their current contract. The most recent example was Jack Eichel and he had a medical situation added to the equation. Whoever trades for Hughes the assets given up to get him might be surprising lower then expected.
I have posted before I would prefer to trade for Dahlin over Hughes. However, the current regime has to justify its plan back to relevancy. Hughes is the type of player they have to try and acquire because of their insistence of not gutting the roster to acquire multiple top 5 picks. I have been no fan of Tocchet, but we’ll see if he can help get a Hughes trade over the line. What we have seen so far with the cap rising is all the star players not waiting to sign in the summer of their free agency, but extending early. Will Hughes buck the trend to player with his brothers? Possible. However, I read a rumor that Hughes may sign an extension which ends when Jack’s current deal is up in 2030. Hughes current cap hit is 7.8 million. I have to figure his extension will probably be double that number. We’ll see who has an appetite for giving out that type of contract.
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A gpalie who can stop the puck and the top 4 on the blueline is the catalyst for success. I guess Risto is closing to coming back to help bolster the 3rd pair. Kind of hoping Kyrou would get a shot with Seeler on the 3rd pair. The blueline is not big, but constantly gets it out of the D zone with good outlet passes as opposed to chipping the puck up the boards every time. It would take real courage to embrace making the blueline smaller, but even more mobile and passing ability with inserting Kyrou. I do not expect it to happen any time soon, but with Drysdale and Andrae not getting caved in due to lack of size, it is something to think about.
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A gpalie who can stop the puck and the top 4 on the blueline is the catalyst for success. I guess Risto is closing to coming back to help bolster the 3rd pair. Kind of hoping Kyrou would get a shot with Seeler on the 3rd pair. The blueline is not big, but constantly gets it out of the D zone with good outlet passes as opposed to chipping the puck up the boards every time. It would take real courage to embrace making the blueline smaller, but even more mobile and passing ability with inserting Kyrou. I do not expect it to happen any time soon, but with Drysdale and Andrae not getting caved in due to lack of size, it is something to think about.
That whole Drysdale trade still doesn’t sit well with me. Gauthier screwed the organization over with his request, he probably wouldn’t be having as much success offensively with the Flyers as they lack the talent that the Ducks have, but his talent level far exceeds Drysdale’s in my opinion. Bad trade!!
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A gpalie who can stop the puck and the top 4 on the blueline is the catalyst for success. I guess Risto is closing to coming back to help bolster the 3rd pair. Kind of hoping Kyrou would get a shot with Seeler on the 3rd pair. The blueline is not big, but constantly gets it out of the D zone with good outlet passes as opposed to chipping the puck up the boards every time. It would take real courage to embrace making the blueline smaller, but even more mobile and passing ability with inserting Kyrou. I do not expect it to happen any time soon, but with Drysdale and Andrae not getting caved in due to lack of size, it is something to think about.
That whole Drysdale trade still doesn’t sit well with me. Gauthier screwed the organization over with his request, he probably wouldn’t be having as much success offensively with the Flyers as they lack the talent that the Ducks have, but his talent level far exceeds Drysdale’s in my opinion. Bad trade!!
lol. flyers screwed it up.
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A gpalie who can stop the puck and the top 4 on the blueline is the catalyst for success. I guess Risto is closing to coming back to help bolster the 3rd pair. Kind of hoping Kyrou would get a shot with Seeler on the 3rd pair. The blueline is not big, but constantly gets it out of the D zone with good outlet passes as opposed to chipping the puck up the boards every time. It would take real courage to embrace making the blueline smaller, but even more mobile and passing ability with inserting Kyrou. I do not expect it to happen any time soon, but with Drysdale and Andrae not getting caved in due to lack of size, it is something to think about.
That whole Drysdale trade still doesn’t sit well with me. Gauthier screwed the organization over with his request, he probably wouldn’t be having as much success offensively with the Flyers as they lack the talent that the Ducks have, but his talent level far exceeds Drysdale’s in my opinion. Bad trade!!
I don’t disagree about the results of the trade, but Drysdale is a big part of the results of the current team. This team currently built is not a true contender. Above average goaltending and a top 4 cannot take a team to the Finals. As far as asset management, no doubt trading for a top line winger for a second pair Dman is not ideal. A miss for Briere. Trading a 4th line center for at worst a top line winger is a win. I am not a Briere apologist. From day one, I thought the path of the rebuild laid out was a mistake. TK and Tippett extensions a mistake, IMO. If he can trade for Tippett before his NTC kicks in to bolster the team, then not a mistake. The way forward is trades and savvy free agent deals. Vladar full credit as a savvy free agent move. Pretty obvious, the next big move is trading some of these winger assets for a top 6 center or top pair Dman. It is really the only was forward to making this team relevant. That’s why if Hughes becomes available, Briere will try to acquire.
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Will be interesting to see what the forest injury ends up being. Probably week to week then season ending surgery in April. Misses start of camp. Would be par for the course with this medical team.
Sucks for Tyson as he is a legit bright spot for the team going forward. Didn’t he have his shoulder repaired few years back? No worries as ND can draw back in the lineup on a consistent basis.
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Bill any updates on Forest?
I don’t expect anything more than upper body injury unless he needs surgery right away.
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So, two points out of first place in the Metro, I did not see that happening at any point in the season after Thanksgiving. 😵💫
I expected them to be better this year but not THIS much better. I’m truly impressed.
And 2 points out of last place. The metro is 5 points from top to bottom, just how Bettman wants it. Every crappy team is overperforming based on the standings right now. Bluejackets are positioned to take a run at the Metro. lol.
Flyers are :
27th in goals
20th in PP (which while still bad is still better than the Torts years. At least they won’t be setting another NHL record this year, probably.)
29th in Shots/game
26th in Shots against/game
while still rocking a .890 sv%If the Flyers weren’t best in the league at shoot outs so far this year at 5-0, they would be last in the division. This is sounding alot like the hubris of 2023 when their record overperformed their play. Who could forget Danny boy declaring that his goal going forward was the playoffs. Yet here we are 2 years defending his failures and having collective amnesia.
https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/nhl-standings-in-november-2023
Look at that 31 points in 25 games in 2023 just like 2025. Oh my god. How did that 2023 team not go on a deep play off run! How was Torts not the hand down Jack Adams winner that year! lol. And once again 2 points out of last place ahead of the BJ.
The Flyers aren’t rebuilding, they were never trying to rebuild. They have been trying to retool to make the playoffs every year, they are just bad at it and are hiding behind the word “rebuild” which is falls apart if anyone bothers to look. Hell even Torts gave up on the team which was his last shot of coaching anything more than a beer league when he realized they needed to actually gut the team.
Stockholm syndrome is rampant among fans who don’t want to hear that they are no closer to a cup than 3 years ago. I get that living in the moment with the blinders on makes people happy but it’s not based on the reality of what it takes to be a contender.
They have made no long term progress towards being a cup contender but as long as the fans have some fresh faces to cheer for, they don’t care so why should the Flyers decision makers?
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They have some nice prospects they’ve taken in the past three drafts, but yes, lets see how that plays out with those kids. And another yes, having elite talent helps you win Cups, no question, but in a salary cap world, 99.99% of the time you have to acquire them via the draft, which means you typically have to finish near the bottom of the league. As I said, you can’t have it both ways. Dallas doesn’t have any “superstars”, in my opinion, yes they have great players but they don’t have McDavid or MacKinnon on their team. They just slowly drafted well and they’ve been very competitive for awhile now. If you can’t get a superstar, be more like the Dallas Stars.
Dallas made the extremely rare Jack Eichel type move with former #2 overall draft pick CENTER Tyler Seguin 10+ years ago who instantly became the Stars franchise center but i guess that doesn’t count?
Considered one of the 5 worst trades for the Bruins because they gave up a young #1 center. Bruins ended up missing the playoffs 2 out of the next 3 years with none of the players they got in return panning out long term. Safe to say they regretted moving on from the #2 overall pick of the draft.
The anchor player makes everyone better. The Flyers don’t have that guy, they don’t want to draft that guy. They can only hope that someone else doesn’t want their #1 center, he wants to come to the Flyers, and the Flyers can make the best offer.
As mentioned, everyone has nice prospects, just like everyone has culture.
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all one can do is laugh. more flyers nonsense
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all one can do is laugh. more flyers nonsense
I guess team Canada might as well not go to the Olympics. How will they ever cope. Sidney Crosby must be beside himself that they won’t be able to replace the transcendent talent that is Tyson Foerster.
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all one can do is laugh. more flyers nonsense
I guess team Canada might as well not go to the Olympics. How will they ever cope. Sidney Crosby must be beside himself that they won’t be able to replace the transcendent talent that is Tyson Foerster.
He was not under any consideration in any way.
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I do hope Grebenkin can seize this opportunity and be released from the purgatory of the 4th line forever. The game against BUF was a nice start. The play for Briere will be to trade some of these wingers to help improve the roster. We’ll see what he can get done.
It is fascinating to watch Drysdale-Andrae play with so much pace, and Zamula comes on the ice and looks like he is in slow motion. Maybe he adds value in the locker room somehow, but his on ice play might be slightly better then Juulsen. Maybe, maybe not.
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These next 6 games are essential. Very tough teams, 3 games vs. conference rivals. Schedule eases after. Need at least 6 pts in this stretch. They got 8 in their last essential 6 game stretch.
Tocchet is gonna have them ready to go. Let Go Flyers!!
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I guess the hope is when Risto returns he can help solidify the 3rd pair, which is a black hole. Juulsen and Zamula just get exposed way too much. If any of the top 4 miss significant time, the team is in deep trouble. York needs to get back sooner then later. I would hope Briere would take this winger surplus depth to address the blueline. I would assume he will try for Hughes first and is waiting to see how that plays out. I would hope Rutherford resolves the Hughes situation before the Olympic break, bot who knows.
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I guess the hope is when Risto returns he can help solidify the 3rd pair, which is a black hole. Juulsen and Zamula just get exposed way too much. If any of the top 4 miss significant time, the team is in deep trouble. York needs to get back sooner then later. I would hope Briere would take this winger surplus depth to address the blueline. I would assume he will try for Hughes first and is waiting to see how that plays out. I would hope Rutherford resolves the Hughes situation before the Olympic break, bot who knows.
the scary part is what risto like dman will he acquire? big is better.
will risto ever see the playoffs? I think he has the longest streak of no playoff games.
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I guess the hope is when Risto returns he can help solidify the 3rd pair, which is a black hole. Juulsen and Zamula just get exposed way too much. If any of the top 4 miss significant time, the team is in deep trouble. York needs to get back sooner then later. I would hope Briere would take this winger surplus depth to address the blueline. I would assume he will try for Hughes first and is waiting to see how that plays out. I would hope Rutherford resolves the Hughes situation before the Olympic break, bot who knows.
the scary part is what risto like dman will he acquire? big is better.
will risto ever see the playoffs? I think he has the longest streak of no playoff games.
Hard to say. Jones talking about his views on team building, Briere has not exactly followed. Zegras is certainly not a big forward. Right now, I would argue the Drysdale/Andrae pairing has been the best pairing since being put together. Somewhat small sample size. The pursuit of Hughes certainly suggest a lack of need for size on the blueline. With Risto’s injury history, not even sure he lasts the entire season when he returns. Seeler seems to be declining with age. Still a capable #6 Dman going forward.
I’m really hoping Hughes gets traded soon. I doubt Briere does anything meaningful until the Hughes situation is resolved.
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I guess the hope is when Risto returns he can help solidify the 3rd pair, which is a black hole. Juulsen and Zamula just get exposed way too much. If any of the top 4 miss significant time, the team is in deep trouble. York needs to get back sooner then later. I would hope Briere would take this winger surplus depth to address the blueline. I would assume he will try for Hughes first and is waiting to see how that plays out. I would hope Rutherford resolves the Hughes situation before the Olympic break, bot who knows.
Risto is really good. He’s a Top 4 guy here and for a lot of other teams too. He’ll make a difference. Juulsen had a rough 1st period. An errant pass led to the first goal and his penalty led to the 2nd. I’d be shocked if Hughes gets dealt anywhere this season.
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I guess the hope is when Risto returns he can help solidify the 3rd pair, which is a black hole. Juulsen and Zamula just get exposed way too much. If any of the top 4 miss significant time, the team is in deep trouble. York needs to get back sooner then later. I would hope Briere would take this winger surplus depth to address the blueline. I would assume he will try for Hughes first and is waiting to see how that plays out. I would hope Rutherford resolves the Hughes situation before the Olympic break, bot who knows.
Risto is really good. He’s a Top 4 guy here and for a lot of other teams too. He’ll make a difference. Juulsen had a rough 1st period. An errant pass led to the first goal and his penalty led to the 2nd. I’d be shocked if Hughes gets dealt anywhere this season.
compared to who? define “really” good.
being a top 4 guy on the flyers doesn’t equate to being a legit top 4 guy in the nhl.
cant wait to see playoff beast risto. he was built for the playoffs.
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compared to who? define “really” good.
being a top 4 guy on the flyers doesn’t equate to being a legit top 4 guy in the nhl.
cant wait to see playoff beast risto. he was built for the playoffs.
Compared to the other Finnish defensemen who weren’t selected ahead of him for 4 Nations. No more than 5 Finns were considered better for the position than Risto. The Flyers are 11th in GAA without him and he’s still Top 4 here, above both Andrae and Seeler. Feel free to name the teams he’s not a Top 4D on. There are a few. I do note Risto made a nice pairing with Andrae last year. He’ll fit very well in Taco’s system.
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always about building “culture” with this sad sack franchise. so many flyer fans eat this shit up. wasn’t the culture built with the last coach? they said it was no?
this organization will never ever get it.
you were off for 3 days and you have tired guys? tocchet is a joke of a coach. his past record is all the proof needed. imagine making a below .500 coach the 3rd highest paid.
maybe if you had a competent 4th line to begin with you can lessen the minutes of the top 9. nah why do that. need that culture ND and GH bring.
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compared to who? define “really” good.
being a top 4 guy on the flyers doesn’t equate to being a legit top 4 guy in the nhl.
cant wait to see playoff beast risto. he was built for the playoffs.
Compared to the other Finnish defensemen who weren’t selected ahead of him for 4 Nations. No more than 5 Finns were considered better for the position than Risto. The Flyers are 11th in GAA without him and he’s still Top 4 here, above both Andrae and Seeler. Feel free to name the teams he’s not a Top 4D on. There are a few. I do note Risto made a nice pairing with Andrae last year. He’ll fit very well in Taco’s system.
not sure what being a “top 5” finn dman has to do with the nhl but ok. how many finn dman in the nhl as regulars?
top 5 finn dman are hard to find. hope they re-sign him next summer. which would not shock anyone. he fits in with tk ex selke and sanheim.
he is not a top 4 on any legit cup contending team. clearly you think otherwise. Then he should have a lot of value. if this was true, a smart management teams would sell high don’t you think? Imagine having risto for 2 playoff runs. with his playoff experience that should have a lot of value. right below quinn hughes.
go flyers brick by brick.
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not sure what being a “top 5” finn dman has to do with the nhl but ok. how many finn dman in the nhl as regulars?
If you’re not sure, maybe posting here is not a good idea. How many, not that many but these guys, like Lindell, Heiskanen, Mikola are great players for playoff teams.
all of whom are much better player than your beloved risto.
being the legit top 4 dman you believe he is; would the flyers be smart to sell high and trade him if he comes back healthy.
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all of whom are much better player than your beloved risto.
being the legit top 4 dman you believe he is; would the flyers be smart to sell high and trade him if he comes back healthy.
Unless they slump radically, the Flyers won’t be sellers this deadline so it’s moot. Would you include Risto in a package for Quinn Hughes?
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all of whom are much better player than your beloved risto.
being the legit top 4 dman you believe he is; would the flyers be smart to sell high and trade him if he comes back healthy.
Unless they slump radically, the Flyers won’t be sellers this deadline so it’s moot. Would you include Risto in a package for Quinn Hughes?
Do you see the flyers winning the cup this season or next?
No as the flyers need playoff risto. What a silly ass question.
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You really can’t make this stuff up. Crest and culture are the way to build a winner. This is the most out of touch franchise in all of sports. Obe that includes the jets, browns, raiders, pirates, and others
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You really can’t make this stuff up. Crest and culture are the way to build a winner. This is the most out of touch franchise in all of sports. Obe that includes the jets, browns, raiders, pirates, and others
The organization just might wanna think about continuing to acquire talent through the draft, that might be more important. That being said, there’s nothing wrong with your coach wanting your players to be proud of the crest they’re representing. I would think every team wants that from their players.
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You really can’t make this stuff up. Crest and culture are the way to build a winner. This is the most out of touch franchise in all of sports. Obe that includes the jets, browns, raiders, pirates, and others
The organization just might wanna think about continuing to acquire talent through the draft, that might be more important. That being said, there’s nothing wrong with your coach wanting your players to be proud of the crest they’re representing. I would think every team wants that from their players.
flyers love fans like you. you eat that culture shit up.
after all these years drafting they still can’t ice a good 4th line.
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I guess the hope is when Risto returns he can help solidify the 3rd pair, which is a black hole. Juulsen and Zamula just get exposed way too much. If any of the top 4 miss significant time, the team is in deep trouble. York needs to get back sooner then later. I would hope Briere would take this winger surplus depth to address the blueline. I would assume he will try for Hughes first and is waiting to see how that plays out. I would hope Rutherford resolves the Hughes situation before the Olympic break, bot who knows.
Risto is really good. He’s a Top 4 guy here and for a lot of other teams too. He’ll make a difference. Juulsen had a rough 1st period. An errant pass led to the first goal and his penalty led to the 2nd. I’d be shocked if Hughes gets dealt anywhere this season.
We can debate whether is a top 4 Dman as far as play and production. Risto is now 31 and who has played over 70 games once since the ’20-’21 season. I think it is fair to question whether Risto really can be reliable for the duration of his current contract. The better hope I believe is Andrae solidifies his place in the top 4 with the current organizational depth chart.
As far as Hughes, VAN is basically a capped team who is now second worst in the league. Hughes has shown very little eagerness to extend with VAN this summer. In theory, VAN should be able to get better assets from a team that would have Hughes for two potential playoff runs as opposed to one. 1st round picks are nice, but if you are VAN how much value is there with multiple picks in the 20s in a particular draft. I believe when Hughes gets traded it will be similar to the Tkachuk trade with FLA. What would be different in a potential Hughes trade is he has term left on his contract. Tkachuk was traded during the summer when he could sign an extension with FLA. Rutherford should be able to do better from an asset standpoint trading Hughes before this trade deadline. What is the benefit of VAN keeping him past the deadline? Difficult to make the playoffs this season being so low in the standings. Unlikely, Rutherford can build a roster over the summer that can compete with EDM, ANA, or Vegas for next season to just even compete in the division. My personal belief is Rutherford would be foolish not to deal Hughes soon.
Once Hughes is traded, then I believe the next domino to fall would be BUF. Byram or Power would be my guess for the next young Dman with term left to potentially be traded.
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We can debate whether is a top 4 Dman as far as play and production. Risto is now 31 and who has played over 70 games once since the ’20-’21 season. I think it is fair to question whether Risto really can be reliable for the duration of his current contract. The better hope I believe is Andrae solidifies his place in the top 4 with the current organizational depth chart.
As far as Hughes, VAN is basically a capped team who is now second worst in the league. Hughes has shown very little eagerness to extend with VAN this summer. In theory, VAN should be able to get better assets from a team that would have Hughes for two potential playoff runs as opposed to one. 1st round picks are nice, but if you are VAN how much value is there with multiple picks in the 20s in a particular draft. I believe when Hughes gets traded it will be similar to the Tkachuk trade with FLA. What would be different in a potential Hughes trade is he has term left on his contract. Tkachuk was traded during the summer when he could sign an extension with FLA. Rutherford should be able to do better from an asset standpoint trading Hughes before this trade deadline. What is the benefit of VAN keeping him past the deadline? Difficult to make the playoffs this season being so low in the standings. Unlikely, Rutherford can build a roster over the summer that can compete with EDM, ANA, or Vegas for next season to just even compete in the division. My personal belief is Rutherford would be foolish not to deal Hughes soon.
Once Hughes is traded, then I believe the next domino to fall would be BUF. Byram or Power would be my guess for the next young Dman with term left to potentially be traded.
For the bulk of his career, Risto has been durable. He played roughly the same number of games last year as York and had a better season.
If I’m VAN, I want two players, a center and a Dman, both younger than Hughes who can step in and play today plus a pick or prospect, maybe both. That’s where I’m starting anyway. VAN still has pending UFAs to get something for before Hughes has to go, plus some teams will have to wait until off season to make their best offer because of the cap.
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Vancouver is a shit franchise like the flyers. So far from contending. If you trade hughes you take the best package regardless of position.
Hughes should get a haul by a competent GM if he is traded by the deadline. 2 playoff runs can easily get a contending team over the hump. If a team is close, they may have no problem overpaying a little. As they should. Good GM’s find a way so the cap shouldn’t be any issue.
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Vancouver is a shit franchise like the flyers. So far from contending. If you trade hughes you take the best package regardless of position.
Hughes should get a haul by a competent GM if he is traded by the deadline. 2 playoff runs can easily get a contending team over the hump. If a team is close, they may have no problem overpaying a little. As they should. Good GM’s find a way so the cap shouldn’t be any issue.
Hahaha! The Flyers are playing .611 hockey, VAN is playing .417 hockey WITH one of the 5 best Dmen in the league. How does that happen? I thought only teams with elite, difference-making needle movers could win in the NHL. The teams are nothing alike. You don’t what the best offer is until you’ve seen all the offers.
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Vancouver is a shit franchise like the flyers. So far from contending. If you trade hughes you take the best package regardless of position.
Hughes should get a haul by a competent GM if he is traded by the deadline. 2 playoff runs can easily get a contending team over the hump. If a team is close, they may have no problem overpaying a little. As they should. Good GM’s find a way so the cap shouldn’t be any issue.
Hahaha! The Flyers are playing .611 hockey, VAN is playing .417 hockey WITH one of the 5 best Dmen in the league. How does that happen? I thought only teams with elite, difference-making needle movers could win in the NHL. The teams are nothing alike. You don’t what the best offer is until you’ve seen all the offers.
2 shit franchises. that is 100% fact. get back to me when the flyers win anything of substance.
really? no shit holmes. whatever it is you don’t limit yourself to accepting a dman and center (like you said). if that isn’t the best package.
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As this season progresses, I hope Briere does not pay Dvorak for a career year. Great job by Dvorak taking advantage of his opportunity this season. His career best is 38 points and he turns 30 in February. Dvorak is going to want a multi year deal for his next contract. It would make zero sense to sign an over 30 year old center to a multi year when there already is an over 30 year old center with multiple years left on his contract. Considering this current team is not a real Cup threat, stocking up on over 30 year old center seems like bad business.
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As this season progresses, I hope Briere does not pay Dvorak for a career year. Great job by Dvorak taking advantage of his opportunity this season. His career best is 38 points and he turns 30 in February. Dvorak is going to want a multi year deal for his next contract. It would make zero sense to sign an over 30 year old center to a multi year when there already is an over 30 year old center with multiple years left on his contract. Considering this current team is not a real Cup threat, stocking up on over 30 year old center seems like bad business.
4 years for 18-20 million. done deal. book it.
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As this season progresses, I hope Briere does not pay Dvorak for a career year. Great job by Dvorak taking advantage of his opportunity this season. His career best is 38 points and he turns 30 in February. Dvorak is going to want a multi year deal for his next contract. It would make zero sense to sign an over 30 year old center to a multi year when there already is an over 30 year old center with multiple years left on his contract. Considering this current team is not a real Cup threat, stocking up on over 30 year old center seems like bad business.
4 years for 18-20 million. done deal. book it.
Dvorak signed 1 yr @ 5.4 million. With the cap rising, I would assume his agent has little interest in lowering that cap with a multi year extension. Considering the lack of center depth in the free agent market, pretty certain Dvorak will be coveted. I agree probably trying to get at minimum a 3 year deal considering his age. This would be an awful decision by the organization unless they trade Cates to improve the roster, which I doubt is going to happen.
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– Whoever is the best skating coach in the NHL or wherever, they need to hire him/she asap to work with MM. whoever the current guy is doesn’t seem to be helping much.
– Flyers in the cat birds seat. They should be the favorite coming out of the east. They have an arsenal of assets to use to make moves to strengthen the team. That doesn’t even include getting a legit top 4 dman in RR back in a week or the likely addition of martone in April.
– What will danny boy do to get the “boys” some extra help that they have earned. Brayden Schenn (NMC) perhaps? A Tyler Myers (NMC)? Brady Skjei (NMC)? Would they go for it with a ROR trade? Stay tuned flyer fans.
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Dvorak signed 1 yr @ 5.4 million. With the cap rising, I would assume his agent has little interest in lowering that cap with a multi year extension. Considering the lack of center depth in the free agent market, pretty certain Dvorak will be coveted. I agree probably trying to get at minimum a 3 year deal considering his age. This would be an awful decision by the organization unless they trade Cates to improve the roster, which I doubt is going to happen.[/quote]he wants to play for tocchet. you think it is a coincidence he took #22……..
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what’s interesting to me is the 3 players responsible for the season so far are external players. is that a good thing? not seeing much progression from the internal players from last year.
MM will be traded. I have no doubt at all. Whether the deadline (as part of a hughes deal) or the summer is the question to me.
God forbid they sell high on Dvorak and get a 1st.
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Tocchet has only won one playoff series as a bench boss across nine seasons (excluding this one): with the Vancouver Canucks in 2024. That team, mind you, had a 103-point center, an 89-point center, a Norris Trophy-winning defenseman, and a Vezina Trophy finalist between the pipes. There’s an argument to be made that his system limits ceilings.
I understand a lot of people want to write about hockey but if Tocchet’s systems limit ceilings, how did all that happen in Vancouver?
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Tocchet has only won one playoff series as a bench boss across nine seasons (excluding this one): with the Vancouver Canucks in 2024. That team, mind you, had a 103-point center, an 89-point center, a Norris Trophy-winning defenseman, and a Vezina Trophy finalist between the pipes. There’s an argument to be made that his system limits ceilings.
I understand a lot of people want to write about hockey but if Tocchet’s systems limit ceilings, how did all that happen in Vancouver?
called an outlier.
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called an outlier.
Tocchet hasn’t limited Dvorak or Zegras, wasn’t limiting Foerster and hasn’t limited a team that is playing .621 hockey. It’s called blogger bullshit.
nah called facts. just look at tocchets coaching record.
flyers being so bad for so long they get excited at the wind blowing, I guess.
how those 4 players making out since that outlier year?
.621 hockey propped up b shootout wins. brick by brick
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nah called facts. just look at tocchets coaching record.
flyers being so bad for so long they get excited at the wind blowing, I guess.
how those 4 players making out since that outlier year?
.621 hockey propped up b shootout wins. brick by brick
Bad takes are not facts. Hahahaha. Look at VAN’s record without Tocchet, it’s .403! Look at the .621 win pct with him here. That record is “propped up” by the rules of the game during the regular season. Same rules for everybody, only two teams in the entire east have better records. Those are actual facts.
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nah called facts. just look at tocchets coaching record.
flyers being so bad for so long they get excited at the wind blowing, I guess.
how those 4 players making out since that outlier year?
.621 hockey propped up b shootout wins. brick by brick
Bad takes are not facts. Hahahaha. Look at VAN’s record without Tocchet, it’s .403! Look at the .621 win pct with him here. That record is “propped up” by the rules of the game during the regular season. Same rules for everybody, only two teams in the entire east have better records. Those are actual facts.
what was tocchet record in his last season in vancouver? before he quit.
looks like another coach of year award for the below .500 career of one rick tocchet. one more than bill barber.
it is propped up. cant wait until april.
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Not exactly a high-event game yesterday but they managed to scratch out another point, still in a WC position. Scoring is a real issue for the team, they’re the second lowest scoring team in the Easter Conference, they badly need to draft and develop some high-end offensively skilled players. Specifically at center!!
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Not exactly a high-event game yesterday but they managed to scratch out another point, still in a WC position. Scoring is a real issue for the team, they’re the second lowest scoring team in the Easter Conference, they badly need to draft and develop some high-end offensively skilled players. Specifically at center!!
they are adverse to that, when you look at who they draft. They do not draft those high end types. need those flyer 200 ft players. that is how you win in this league. depth
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they are adverse to that, when you look at who they draft. They do not draft those high end types. need those flyer 200 ft players. that is how you win in this league. depth
LOL – this is completely untrue but not unexpected from you, you’re such a drama queen it’s somewhat laughable, if it wasn’t so pathetic. Briere’s first draft in 2023 they took two offensive kids in Michkov and Bonker in the first round. They also took Barkey that year, he’s small but he’s a highly offensive kid. The year after he was drafted he finished 4th in OHL scoring with 102 points. These are not 200 foot juggernauts, they’re high-end skilled kids.
2024 was a bit of a shit draft year outside the top six kids, they drafted for position there and if you look behind Luchanko and Berglund there’s no one screaming out that they should’ve taken this kid, or that kid. 2025 again they took a high offensive guy in Martone, he finished 7th in OHL scoring with 98 points.
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LOL – this is completely untrue but not unexpected from you, you’re such a drama queen it’s somewhat laughable, if it wasn’t so pathetic. Briere’s first draft in 2023 they took two offensive kids in Michkov and Bonker in the first round. They also took Barkey that year, he’s small but he’s a highly offensive kid. The year after he was drafted he finished 4th in OHL scoring with 102 points. These are not 200 foot juggernauts, they’re high-end skilled kids.
2024 was a bit of a shit draft year outside the top six kids, they drafted for position there and if you look behind Luchanko and Berglund there’s no one screaming out that they should’ve taken this kid, or that kid. 2025 again they took a high offensive guy in Martone, he finished 7th in OHL scoring with 98 points.
Taking MM was a no brainer even stevie wonder could see it (same with martone or if hey took hagans). “Bonker” (another gay flyers nickname) does not project to be an offensive dman at the nhl level. If you paid any attention to his point production, you would know where he accumulated a lot of them and that will not translate to the nhl.
The flyers have a type they prefer. That is a fact. Keep arguing otherwise. Taking a few others who are not that type doesn’t change what I said. Their actions speak for themselves. Go flyers brick by brick.
Per danny:“But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.”
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How bout dem Flyers!!! Third in the Metro almost halfway through the season, who’d a thunk it. Let’s GO Flyers!!!
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How bout dem Flyers!!! Third in the Metro almost halfway through the season, who’d a thunk it. Let’s GO Flyers!!!
Not me. I was cautiously optimistic at the start of the season but did not see this coming. NYI has 1 more point, but the Flyers have two games in hand. They have the 2nd best record in the East. Their schedule gets easier the rest of the way. Barring an injury catastrophe, they’re a playoff team.
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As this season progresses, I hope Briere does not pay Dvorak for a career year. Great job by Dvorak taking advantage of his opportunity this season. His career best is 38 points and he turns 30 in February. Dvorak is going to want a multi year deal for his next contract. It would make zero sense to sign an over 30 year old center to a multi year when there already is an over 30 year old center with multiple years left on his contract. Considering this current team is not a real Cup threat, stocking up on over 30 year old center seems like bad business.
From an alternative perspective, that may not be the best move. There are other factors to consider. The players in the room my then look at this type of move very negatively. Sends a bad message all over. Guys like TK, Couturier, Sanheim may then ask to be traded (that may not be a bad thing though you don’t want to come about it that way). Do you think that will be a good look for an organization who preaches culture. Could also affect free agents. Flyers already have a tough time in that department. The Flyers goal is to make the playoffs. They will not jeopardize that by looking to sell any parts off unless it is a straight up hockey trade.
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Ideally I would still like to see the center depth sometime this season as follows- Zegras, Dvorak, Cates, and Couts. Couts as a 4th liner would still get more minutes then Abols right now with trying to protect a lead in the 3rd period. Moving Zegras to center hopefully allows the team to get more then a one goal lead heading into the third period more frequently. I’m not hopeful it will ever happen.
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Ideally I would still like to see the center depth sometime this season as follows- Zegras, Dvorak, Cates, and Couts. Couts as a 4th liner would still get more minutes then Abols right now with trying to protect a lead in the 3rd period. Moving Zegras to center hopefully allows the team to get more then a one goal lead heading into the third period more frequently. I’m not hopeful it will ever happen.
Not happening this season. Foerster had season ending arm surgery on Monday.
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This season goes as far as Vladar takes it. If he continues this level of play they will make the playoffs. Lack of skilled center depth and scoring from the defense will kill this team in the playoffs though. Regardless of how good Vladar is.
At least in the playoffs, you know Vladar is going to get the games. A lot depends on matchups, but it’s still a ways away.
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This season goes as far as Vladar takes it. If he continues this level of play they will make the playoffs. Lack of skilled center depth and scoring from the defense will kill this team in the playoffs though. Regardless of how good Vladar is.
At least in the playoffs, you know Vladar is going to get the games. A lot depends on matchups, but it’s still a ways away.
They also need to use Ersson so Vladar doesn’t tire. Around 54 games should be the max for Vladar. That’s 2/3 of the starts.
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They also need to use Ersson so Vladar doesn’t tire. Around 54 games should be the max for Vladar. That’s 2/3 of the starts.
That seems about the balance they’re going for. Pretty common distribution of starts between 1 and 2 Gs. I would expect Ersson gets BUF tomorrow, Vladar gets the Rags Saturday. That will be an important Metro game, but the Rags stink this year.
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They also need to use Ersson so Vladar doesn’t tire. Around 54 games should be the max for Vladar. That’s 2/3 of the starts.
The most games Vladar has ever played in a season is 30, last season in Cowtown, playing 54 games would be a huge stretch in my opinion. He’s already at 20 though.
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I wonder who will do the radio for the next two games?
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I wonder if Barkey is being showcased for a post Christmas trade?
he will be a healthy scratch….
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Second game in a row where the Flyers left points on the table against inferior opposition. 1 out of 4 points where they should really be beating their opponents and taking at least 3 there. Playing down to their competition again. They let Penarin and Zibanejad beat them yesterday. It’s all the Rags have really. Even bad teams have very good players in this league. Goalie depth is their biggest issue now over scoring depth. Ersson has not been hood the last two games after putting together a stretch where he was winning, however imperfectly. They can still score enough to win games.
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Second game in a row where the Flyers left points on the table against inferior opposition. 1 out of 4 points where they should really be beating their opponents and taking at least 3 there. Playing down to their competition again. They let Penarin and Zibanejad beat them yesterday. It’s all the Rags have really. Even bad teams have very good players in this league. Goalie depth is their biggest issue now over scoring depth. Ersson has not been hood the last two games after putting together a stretch where he was winning, however imperfectly. They can still score enough to win games.
lol. their is no such thing when you look at the eastern conference.
must have missed it when the flyers became an elite team.
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buffalo is open for business. Any deal for Dahlen or Tage would have to include MM or Martone. Seeing the path the flyers are taking both should be available. If dahlin and Tage have no trade clauses can’t see them waiving for buffalo south.
Byram and Power you can probably put a decent package together.so can 30 other teams.
Buff wants the playoffs as well; doubtful they want a futures package. Also, Leary about bringing in players who know nothing but losing and kind of accepted it. they would fit right in with TK sanheim and ex selke.
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The Flyers are only 3-3-4 in their last 10. .500, not good enough. A win tonight and the go 4-2-4 in the last 10, .600 hockey. Much better with the next four games vs. inferior opponents. Pivotal game. Vladar starting is good news.
This game against the Canucks could be the lowest event hockey game I’ve ever watched. 🤮
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This game against the Canucks could be the lowest event hockey game I’ve ever watched. 🤮
Amazing, how is a very lunch bucket group of players, largely devoid of high-end talent, sitting second in the Metro at the Christmas break? Tocchet is a damn coaching savant or they are very lucky with some solid goaltending…LOL!! *wink-wink*
Things did pick up in the 3rd. VAN looked like they were happy with their road trip and win streak and didn’t really press in the finale. The Flyers didn’t play down to their level and got some nice balanced scoring. Tocchet is a good coach. .600+ record over the last 4 seasons.
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Blue line competence and goaltending can take a team pretty far. The Drysdale/Andrae pair has been a revelation. They were supposed to get caved in because of size, but that has not happened. I hope Tocchet has learned if he wants to roll 4 lines, he is going to have to put some talent on the 4th line as opposed to “culture guys”.
Probable playoff contender is an improvement. However, to avoid purgatory Briere will have to trade assets to improve the roster. Prospects in the pipeline will not be enough to push the team to a true Cup contender. I do believe the Hughes trade was an insight into the future when the few times an elite talent becomes available. With all teams having cap space now with the cap rapidly rising, it will be a highly leveraged seller’s market. Now, there will be more Zegras type trades out there in the future also. He has to be involved in those and hit big like Zegras.
On a side note, that TOR 1st just keeps elevating in value. Grebenkin has more points then Laughton so far this season (granted Grebenkin has played 7 more games).
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Blue line competence and goaltending can take a team pretty far. The Drysdale/Andrae pair has been a revelation. They were supposed to get caved in because of size, but that has not happened. I hope Tocchet has learned if he wants to roll 4 lines, he is going to have to put some talent on the 4th line as opposed to “culture guys”.
Probable playoff contender is an improvement. However, to avoid purgatory Briere will have to trade assets to improve the roster. Prospects in the pipeline will not be enough to push the team to a true Cup contender. I do believe the Hughes trade was an insight into the future when the few times an elite talent becomes available. With all teams having cap space now with the cap rapidly rising, it will be a highly leveraged seller’s market. Now, there will be more Zegras type trades out there in the future also. He has to be involved in those and hit big like Zegras.
On a side note, that TOR 1st just keeps elevating in value. Grebenkin has more points then Laughton so far this season (granted Grebenkin has played 7 more games).
will there? seeing how he has rebounded and stayed healthy teams may be more gun shy to give up on players of his ilk. especially when they make a coaching change and don’t see said player play for the new coach.
pleasantly surprised he has kept GH and ND, and even juulson on the bench. Will it last is the question. when the 4th line has a bad game or 2, and they will, will hepivot to the old worn blanket. giving GH that 2-year unneeded ext is laughable. another guy who should have been moved.
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Blue line competence and goaltending can take a team pretty far. The Drysdale/Andrae pair has been a revelation. They were supposed to get caved in because of size, but that has not happened. I hope Tocchet has learned if he wants to roll 4 lines, he is going to have to put some talent on the 4th line as opposed to “culture guys”.
On the plus side, they’ve given plenty of guys a fair shot. On D, they can absorb some injuries without depth guys simply killing them. The forward/scoring depth is thin if they’re banged up. The team D can keep things on track with D injuries but can’t score goals. Even depth players have to make plays once in a while. They found at least a temporary solution with Grundstrom/Barkey in over Foerster/Hathaway.
Probable playoff contender is an improvement. However, to avoid purgatory Briere will have to trade assets to improve the roster. Prospects in the pipeline will not be enough to push the team to a true Cup contender. I do believe the Hughes trade was an insight into the future when the few times an elite talent becomes available. With all teams having cap space now with the cap rapidly rising, it will be a highly leveraged seller’s market. Now, there will be more Zegras type trades out there in the future also. He has to be involved in those and hit big like Zegras.
I’m not convinced of that. They have some clear tweaks to make on F, D and G, and a blockbuster trade for the right guy would make a difference but I think they have a 2 year window for that. In this season, Briere seems intent on leaning on internal solutions first for fixing problems and that seems to have held up . . . and it’s a good culture move.
On a side note, that TOR 1st just keeps elevating in value. Grebenkin has more points then Laughton so far this season (granted Grebenkin has played 7 more games).
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Imagine when this team actually gets a number one and number two center.
They should win a few cups at least no?
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They should win a few cups at least no?Brick by brick little buddy, the future is bright for this organization!! I’m assuming they’ll pick up another first round pick for the 2026 draft, they’ve already got the Leafs first rounder for the 2027 draft and they’re a sinking ship, so the next couple drafts should be promising.
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They should win a few cups at least no?Brick by brick little buddy, the future is bright for this organization!! I’m assuming they’ll pick up another first round pick for the 2026 draft, they’ve already got the Leafs first rounder for the 2027 draft and they’re a sinking ship, so the next couple drafts should be promising.
Who are they trading to get another 26 1st?
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Tomasino’s numbers look OK for a young NHL forward: Roughly 1 PPG in the A and close to .5 PPG in the NHL. He also falls into long slumps which tends to get him traded. Hopefully, the Flyers won’t need him and he should boost LHV.
Despite a couple bad losses in their last 4, the Flyers still have the 3rd best record in the conference. Their magic number for points to make the playoffs: 46 points in their final 42 games. Should be doable.
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Dvorak 5 years? Holy crap.
$5.15M per season over those 5 years, not to mention another player locked up long-term well into his 30s.
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ex selkethat is def a cup contending center group the next 3+ years. absolutely no need to re-sign as soon as he was eligible. Hopefully they get Abols locked up on a 2 year deal. Does this qualify as big game hunting?
“More importantly, he plays a big role in our locker room and has fit in seamlessly to our group and what we are building.”
more culture BS. How many “room” leaders are needed?
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I guess Briere just refuses to acknowledge the likelihood of a player falling off a cliff from a production standpoint begins around 33 years old. Oh but look, they can always trade him Dvorak because by year 3 he will have a limited no trade clause. Here’s the issue just because there is an avenue to trade a player at that age, does not mean there will be a market. My current example is Garnet Hathaway.
Full credit to Dvorak maximizing his value this half season. I guess there was no need to find out whether he could replicate production with other forwards besides just being stapled next to Zegras all season. Three years from now, the odds are extremely high Couts and Dvorak will still be on the roster anchoring the 4th line. Sure the cap is increasing, over $12 million dedicated to the 4th line seems like a bad strategy even if the cap is above $130 million. I do not recall the Panthers spending potentially 8-10% of their cap on their 4th lines.
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I guess Briere just refuses to acknowledge the likelihood of a player falling off a cliff from a production standpoint begins around 33 years old. Oh but look, they can always trade him Dvorak because by year 3 he will have a limited no trade clause. Here’s the issue just because there is an avenue to trade a player at that age, does not mean there will be a market. My current example is Garnet Hathaway.
Full credit to Dvorak maximizing his value this half season. I guess there was no need to find out whether he could replicate production with other forwards besides just being stapled next to Zegras all season. Three years from now, the odds are extremely high Couts and Dvorak will still be on the roster anchoring the 4th line. Sure the cap is increasing, over $12 million dedicated to the 4th line seems like a bad strategy even if the cap is above $130 million. I do not recall the Panthers spending potentially 8-10% of their cap on their 4th lines.
but he wanted to be a flyer and play for coach tocchet. that means something in the flyers family.
“jonesy” and danny boy strutting their feathers around this morning no doubt. flyers are back.
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So now they have $16.9 million tied up in three bottom 6 centers for the foreseeable future. Two who will be in their 30’s. I understand the “cap is going up” pablum is supposed to make that more palatable. I don’t have a problem with the cap hit per-se, I just don’t like the term. I think it is 2 years too long, really 3 years, but I doubt they were going to get him for 2 years.
Add to that the system is chock full of bottom 6 center prospects with no top line 1C or 2C anywhere to be seen, the Flyers have a problem. FA is already bare and they will have to be VERY lucky to find one via trade (without an hefty overpay) or drafting in perpetual “Bubble” land moving forward.
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Add to that the system is chock full of bottom 6 center prospects with no top line 1C or 2C anywhere to be seen, the Flyers have a problem. FA is already bare and they will have to be VERY lucky to find one via trade (without an hefty overpay) or drafting in perpetual “Bubble” land moving forward.
The Flyers are way ahead of schedule. They have a good 2 years to make that trade or signing. As it is, a big chunk players on the team up and down the lineup are having career years.
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So now they have $16.9 million tied up in three bottom 6 centers for the foreseeable future. Two who will be in their 30’s. I understand the “cap is going up” pablum is supposed to make that more palatable. I don’t have a problem with the cap hit per-se, I just don’t like the term. I think it is 2 years too long, really 3 years, but I doubt they were going to get him for 2 years.
Add to that the system is chock full of bottom 6 center prospects with no top line 1C or 2C anywhere to be seen, the Flyers have a problem. FA is already bare and they will have to be VERY lucky to find one via trade (without an hefty overpay) or drafting in perpetual “Bubble” land moving forward.
8.75 tk
5.1 dvorak
7.75 ex selke
6.2 tippethow much cap space do those 4 eat up the next 3+ years?
flyers way ahead of schedule? what schedule is that? this is just another move to keep the mediocrity wheels spinning. imagine thinking dvorak is a key/core player. Flyers evalauto9ns and process are total garbage. love when peeps argue otherwise.
Cant wait for the berglund is a potential #1 center article to come out or what not
playoffs > cup in flyers land
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8.75 tk
5.1 dvorak
7.75 ex selke
6.2 tippethow much cap space do those 4 eat up the next 3+ years?
Next year, about 28% for 4 of your top 9 forwards. Will get lower after that as the cap goes up.
flyers way ahead of schedule? what schedule is that? this is just another move to keep the mediocrity wheels spinning. imagine thinking dvorak is a key/core player. Flyers evalauto9ns and process are total garbage. love when peeps argue otherwise.
Cant wait for the berglund is a potential #1 center article to come out or what not
playoffs > cup in flyers land
You keep making these claims, the Flyers keep playing .600 hockey. That will get them into the playoffs.
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8.75 tk
5.1 dvorak
7.75 ex selke
6.2 tippethow much cap space do those 4 eat up the next 3+ years?
Next year, about 28% for 4 of your top 9 forwards. Will get lower after that as the cap goes up.
flyers way ahead of schedule? what schedule is that? this is just another move to keep the mediocrity wheels spinning. imagine thinking dvorak is a key/core player. Flyers evalauto9ns and process are total garbage. love when peeps argue otherwise.
Cant wait for the berglund is a potential #1 center article to come out or what not
playoffs > cup in flyers land
You keep making these claims, the Flyers keep playing .600 hockey. That will get them into the playoffs.
its not about position its the quality of players. 28% and not one even close elite player in that group. I love will the cap goes up so that justifies it mind set. if your already using that nonsense then it was a bad deal from the start
get back to me in april. every team in the east conf is above .500. very little separation. go flyers brick by brick
if the flyers miss the playoffs, since they control their own destiny, would it be an organizational failure at this stage?
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its not about position its the quality of players. 28% and not one even close elite player in that group. I love will the cap goes up so that justifies it mind set. if your already using that nonsense then it was a bad deal from the start
get back to me in april. every team in the east conf is above .500. very little separation. go flyers brick by brick
if the flyers miss the playoffs, since they control their own destiny, would it be an organizational failure at this stage?
Konecny is scoring at .9 PPG and is a +11, Tippett is on pace for 26 goals, Dvorak is having a career year. Hate to tell you, but those are not unreasonable cap hits in today’s market. Couturier got himself a nice deal, for sure. Get back to me in three years. Hahaha!
April gets closer every day.
Depends on how it happens if it does at all. Flyers still aren’t deep, so the wrong injury to the wrong guy could still derail them. That would not be an organizational failure at this point.
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its not about position its the quality of players. 28% and not one even close elite player in that group. I love will the cap goes up so that justifies it mind set. if your already using that nonsense then it was a bad deal from the start
get back to me in april. every team in the east conf is above .500. very little separation. go flyers brick by brick
if the flyers miss the playoffs, since they control their own destiny, would it be an organizational failure at this stage?
Konecny is scoring at .9 PPG and is a +11, Tippett is on pace for 26 goals, Dvorak is having a career year. Hate to tell you, but those are not unreasonable cap hits in today’s market. Couturier got himself a nice deal, for sure. Get back to me in three years. Hahaha!
April gets closer every day.
Depends on how it happens if it does at all. Flyers still aren’t deep, so the wrong injury to the wrong guy could still derail them. That would not be an organizational failure at this point.
TK contract is fine (though not an elite player). Tippet not so much. he may be the most irrelevant 20 goal scorer in flyers history. love pace. he is s future 40 goal scorer who hasnt even cracked 30.
sitting n 3rd place and if they miss isnt a failure? interesting take since the playoffs were the goal from day 1.
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Another win, but haters gonna hate! 🤷🏽♂️
the pat to represent the EC in the cup finals goes through philly.
can’t wait to see briere work some magic at the deadline.
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sitting n 3rd place and if they miss isnt a failure? interesting take since the playoffs were the goal from day 1.
If they get swamped by injuries, no failure. If they don’t and the wheels just fall off the wagon then yes.
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didnt realize MM hasn’t scored in 6 weeks. the only way to get him on track is to play him. Not with Carl or Cates either. Amazes me MM never seems to get the better quality of linemates overall. There is more than meets the eye here between him and the coach. I 100% believe he will be traded at some point in the next year. Put MM on the side he played last year would also be a start.
Brire has had 3 offseason to replace Sam and hasn’t. Why? he hasn’t got any better and has been pedestrian at every stop he has ever played.
Cates has no business on the PP. Why they refuse to have MM and zegras together seems personal to me as otherwise there is no rational explanation to have them on the same unit.
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In reality, the Flyers need more from Ersson, especially over the next few months.
I’d give Kolosov a shot. Ersson will get a chance in one of the TB games. He’s the kind of guy who will have his best game of the season to make this situation bleed out a little longer. Can’t say the Flyers don’t give their guys chances.
They’re still .600 in their last 10, which is fine, but other teams are getting really hot and passing them. Still not enough to push them down and out of the playoffs, but rivals having hot runs.
Seeing some separation between top nine teams of conference and the bottom seven. Very bottom teams look done. BUF has been the only shock turnaround and they are in at the moment.
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In reality, the Flyers need more from Ersson, especially over the next few months.
I’d give Kolosov a shot. Ersson will get a chance in one of the TB games. He’s the kind of guy who will have his best game of the season to make this situation bleed out a little longer. Can’t say the Flyers don’t give their guys chances.
They’re still .600 in their last 10, which is fine, but other teams are getting really hot and passing them. Still not enough to push them down and out of the playoffs, but rivals having hot runs.
Seeing some separation between top nine teams of conference and the bottom seven. Very bottom teams look done. BUF has been the only shock turnaround and they are in at the moment.
still early though I think sens, rangers, blue jackets are done. Devils as well unless they fire the coach and GM maybe the get an uptick. Caps fading. not sure what to make of the pens with skinner in goal. bruins another funny team.
flyers control their own destiny.
no reason at all not to give kolosov a look. doubt they will.
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still early though I think sens, rangers, blue jackets are done. Devils as well unless they fire the coach and GM maybe the get an uptick. Caps fading. not sure what to make of the pens with skinner in goal. bruins another funny team.
flyers control their own destiny.
no reason at all not to give kolosov a look. doubt they will.
The Pens and Bruins have both been really up and down. The Pens have done it better and are really up again. The bottom half team need to start putting together 10 game streaks at over .500 to even stay close and most aren’t. They need .600+ streaks to gain ground. The Leafs have worked their way back to contention. No complaints about the Caps. Looking more like 98 points to make the playoffs, higher than normal.
They do. Injuries are getting to be an issue again but still at .600 in their last 10.
Wouldn’t rule out a Kolosov look if Ersson continues to struggle.
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flyers can’t overcome average or bad goaltending. that shows you how far away they really are from true contention.
Bill can you help me understand the consent blowing and trying to prop up one Garnet Hathaway. The 2 announcers cream their pants at just an average play. The whole 4th line infatuation is just very strange. Their tone is just so over the top. Compare that tone to MM. Shit compare how they talked about MM last year to now this year.
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Interesting tidbit on Risto.
Ristolainen, who is listed on Matt Larkin’s trade board and whom I wrote about several times recently, is still not being shopped, even when healthy, a source reiterated to me. His absence in recent games has once again shown the team his importance on their second and third pair, according to team sources. By the sounds of it, Ristolainen will really need to be pulled out of Philadelphia with a big offer more than ever.
It seems like the Flyers are rider or die with him. It’s hard to see what his impact is when he’s only played 13 games this year and is currently injured again and has missed 100+ games over the last 3 years. I struggle to see what his value is to teams from the hot tub. It’s certainly not for his vast playoff experience.
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It’s like they read our posts.
Nothing to sell at the deadline. The cupboard is bare.
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https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/five-takeaways-rebuild-evolves-to-next-phase
“In the previous two years we would be quick to make changes in order to get better for the future. Now, it would be about staying on course, which is advancing. It’s not about moving back,” Jones said.
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Hilferty added, “I said this to the players the other day, we want to build a culture of sustainable excellence. Not just a shot next year, and it falls off after.”
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“I’m a big believer in Sam Ersson. I think that Sam is in a position now, age-wise, and being pushed by the depth at that position that’s there now, is going to benefit him, as well. I think that Sam is going to stand up to the test here this year,” Jones said.
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“We’re not going to be giving away players to gain future assets, unless something crazy (takes place). But that’s the plan, as we sit here today,” Jones said.Nobody will ever convince me this is a rebuild because the facts don’t support it but yea, selling was never an option this year. They said all along they were done.
They told us months ago that they are all in.
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“In the previous two years we would be quick to make changes in order to get better for the future. Now, it would be about staying on course, which is advancing. It’s not about moving back,” Jones said.
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Hilferty added, “I said this to the players the other day, we want to build a culture of sustainable excellence. Not just a shot next year, and it falls off after.”
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“I’m a big believer in Sam Ersson. I think that Sam is in a position now, age-wise, and being pushed by the depth at that position that’s there now, is going to benefit him, as well. I think that Sam is going to stand up to the test here this year,” Jones said.
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“We’re not going to be giving away players to gain future assets, unless something crazy (takes place). But that’s the plan, as we sit here today,” Jones said.Nobody will ever convince me this is a rebuild because the facts don’t support it but yea, selling was never an option this year. They said all along they were done.
They told us months ago that they are all in.
they will 100% use injuries to say why they faltered. many will buy that and nothing to see here.
just a poorly run shit organization
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In Travis Konecny’s hat trick performance, Flyers’ breadth of culture on display
Just because we don’t hear the word “Culture” and “Flyers” used together enough Broadstreethockey wrote an Ode to Flyers culture where Konecny didn’t score a hat trick because of talent. No, his hattrick was due to him being an unstoppable force of culture. The symbol of all things that Flyers hockey stands for. He was willing the team to victory.
I swear to god that Army recruiting ads have less patriotism in them than this article has about lionizing Flyers culture.
Last i checked Garnet Hathaway still couldn’t hit an empty net on a breakaway despite his “culture”.
Do you ever feel that people who write these articles are laughing behind the scenes, trying to see how far they push the Flyers fans?
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The front half of the season has been fun, and somewhat unexpectedly positive in terms of wins. But, it’s time for reality to set in with Flyers management, it’s time to sell and acquire more draft capital. TK is a good place to start.
is TK asking to be traded? that’s pretty much the only way this happens.
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