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The playoffs are all in the flyers hands. They control their own destiny. Anything less than that would be a disappointment at this stage.
Why not? 97 points is the magic number. They need 72 more points to get there and have 62 games to get them. That’s not an insurmountable task.
The playoffs are all in the flyers hands. They control their own destiny. Anything less than that would be a disappointment at this stage.
The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
With pretty much every team in the playoff “picture now would be a good time to try to sell high on players. There will be plenty of buyers. Stop with this short term we need to make the playoff nonsense. Its about the future.
Now we know they will not sell. More than likely find the next Nate Thompson or Alex Grant. As you said they want the playoffs. They will view that as a successful season.
Not really when you see what the goal this season is about .
The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
With pretty much every team in the playoff “picture now would be a good time to try to sell high on players. There will be plenty of buyers. Stop with this short term we need to make the playoff nonsense. Its about the future.
Now we know they will not sell. More than likely find the next Nate Thompson or Alex Grant. As you said they want the playoffs. They will view that as a successful season.
Not really when you see what the goal this season is about .
I agree. There is no doubt in my mind the HC would want Dvorak past this season. The GM cannot allow the team to stockpile bottom 6 centers. He already has 2 of them under contract for awhile. I’m sorry Noah Cates will not be a 2C in his career. That is not a slight, just reality. Couts is sunk cost. The rumor of them wanting another bottom 6 center to help the roster is frankly laughable. Acquiring more grinders is not going to make them overtake CAR and NJ for the division. Figuring out a way to supplement offensive talent besides Michkov and Zegras closes the gap.
Vladar for his career has only played 30 games in one season. He is already up to 13 games. We will see if he can maintain this level of play for an entire season. This HC has little evidence in his past to suggest he can win with offensive output.
The Flyers will never get it. Dvorak is a 2-3rd line center. Cates is at best a 3rd line center. Coots makes too much money for what he offers. You refuse to play Zegras at center. You will finish just outside of the playoffs this year. How will they improve at center? I haven’t even referenced the defense. They are A LONG WAY away.
The Flyers will never get it. Dvorak is a 2-3rd line center. Cates is at best a 3rd line center. Coots makes too much money for what he offers. You refuse to play Zegras at center. You will finish just outside of the playoffs this year. How will they improve at center? I haven’t even referenced the defense. They are A LONG WAY away.
When the Flyer signed Dvorak over the summer, I understood the move. Overpaid bottom 6 center for one year. Briere could retain salary at the deadline and get a good asset back. He could fill a spot if Luchanko was not ready. Let Zegras play center and have Dvorak take certain faceoffs when G Was paired with Couts. That plan lasted about 5 games apparently. If Briere does not move Dvorak at the deadline for an asset, it is a failure. Trying to make the playoffs with no shot at the Cup does not justify keeping Dvorak. It would only compound the mistake because I guess the Zegras at center experiment is over. If Tocchet could not allow Zegras to play center against Tampa in the 3rd period last after watching the first two periods, I doubt it happens at all this season with any regularity.
The Flyers will never get it. Dvorak is a 2-3rd line center. Cates is at best a 3rd line center. Coots makes too much money for what he offers. You refuse to play Zegras at center. You will finish just outside of the playoffs this year. How will they improve at center? I haven’t even referenced the defense. They are A LONG WAY away.
When the Flyer signed Dvorak over the summer, I understood the move. Overpaid bottom 6 center for one year. Briere could retain salary at the deadline and get a good asset back. He could fill a spot if Luchanko was not ready. Let Zegras play center and have Dvorak take certain faceoffs when G Was paired with Couts. That plan lasted about 5 games apparently. If Briere does not move Dvorak at the deadline for an asset, it is a failure. Trying to make the playoffs with no shot at the Cup does not justify keeping Dvorak. It would only compound the mistake because I guess the Zegras at center experiment is over. If Tocchet could not allow Zegras to play center against Tampa in the 3rd period last after watching the first two periods, I doubt it happens at all this season with any regularity.
unless the flyers fall out of the race, be prepared for failure.
100% Dvorak will get a 3/4-year ext at 4.5 per if not more. Especially when you see what’s available now in free agency. He is solid bland player. Doesn’t really help the skilled guys at all imo.
Vladar is interesting from the POV of what value would he have to a team like the Oilers if he keeps up his play the next 2/3 months. Now there is no way the flyers would move him as they are not a forward-thinking management team. Shit he may get an ext this summer if he has a consistent year.
The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
Or maybe Tocchet is given to much credit for reaching the playoffs 2 times in 9 years. If you want to give him credit for the good year, then he deserves credit for the bad year that followed.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/flyers-hire-rick-tocchet-analyzing-190007180.html
As recently as March of this year, Tocchet admitted to trying to “re-program” Elias Pettersson, even after the star Swede scored 102 points under his watch just over a year prior.
“You’ve got to play north hockey. Regroup hockey, taking the puck back, won’t win in the NHL,” Tocchet had said. “I think sometimes Petey likes to regroup, slow the game down. I’m not sure how many years ago doing that might’ve worked, but now you have to play a more north style, and we’re just trying to re-program his brain when it comes to that, and he’s buying into that. That’s why I think he’s getting better at that, but there is another level for us and our team.”
Pettersson, of course, scored only 45 points last season, marking easily the worst full season of his NHL career from an offensive standpoint.
And, speaking of Pettersson, another mark against Tocchet is the widely-reported rift between the former and J.T. Miller, which culminated in Miller’s trade to the New York Rangers on Jan. 31.
It was a problem when Boudreau arrived in Vancouver, and it was a problem when Tocchet arrived in Vancouver.
But it only boiled over under Tocchet’s watch, and the Canucks failed to address it before first setting half their season on fire.Sounds a bit like what he is trying to do with Michkov. The point is he doesn’t care if a guy scores a 100 points if it’s not his way.
The Flyers now have given up the 4th least amount of goals in the league, and have scored the 4th least goals. Unless the team gets on a hot streak of shooting %, this is Tocchet hockey. It is no different then his last head coaching jobs. It is generally very boring hockey. Quite frankly, when the team plays three 3rd line centers and one 4th line center, the boredom factor is magnified. Really cannot afford to trade Luchanko or Nesbitt because no matter what the belief is in their ceiling, they have to let those players develop and hope because the cupboard is so barren right now. Couts, Cates, and Dvorak are basically the same type of center, redundancy at its highest.
It sure looks like they are going to do everything possible to make it as a wildcard. This roster is not taking steps to ascend into a playoff contender. It has serious structural issues that place the team right back into purgatory. The HC has zero interest in seeing if Zegras can develop into a top 6 center, which is something they have absolutely nothing close to at the NHL or AHL level. Baffling decisions.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
he has not done an amazing job.
he is riding the coattails of a goalie having a career year so far; does that sound familiar? 23/24 he also rode the coattails of some players having career years. that year is an outlier for his entire coaching career.
I wonder who will last longer, Danny or Tocchet.
its not clear he isn’t a good fit at center as they never game him any chance to find out. that is what a smart rebuilding organization would have done.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
Or maybe Tocchet is given to much credit for reaching the playoffs 2 times in 9 years. If you want to give him credit for the good year, then he deserves credit for the bad year that followed.
As recently as March of this year, Tocchet admitted to trying to “re-program” Elias Pettersson, even after the star Swede scored 102 points under his watch just over a year prior.
“You’ve got to play north hockey. Regroup hockey, taking the puck back, won’t win in the NHL,” Tocchet had said. “I think sometimes Petey likes to regroup, slow the game down. I’m not sure how many years ago doing that might’ve worked, but now you have to play a more north style, and we’re just trying to re-program his brain when it comes to that, and he’s buying into that. That’s why I think he’s getting better at that, but there is another level for us and our team.”Pettersson, of course, scored only 45 points last season, marking easily the worst full season of his NHL career from an offensive standpoint.
And, speaking of Pettersson, another mark against Tocchet is the widely-reported rift between the former and J.T. Miller, which culminated in Miller’s trade to the New York Rangers on Jan. 31.
It was a problem when Boudreau arrived in Vancouver, and it was a problem when Tocchet arrived in Vancouver.
But it only boiled over under Tocchet’s watch, and the Canucks failed to address it before first setting half their season on fire.Sounds a bit like what he is trying to do with Michkov. The point is he doesn’t care if a guy scores a 100 points if it’s not his way.
Tocchet also quit on the canucks. Took his ball and left. Shocked that never gets brought up.
As far as MM, wonder if tocchet even knows who Kucherov is and ever watched him play. North/south hockey. Another example of a coach unwilling to adapt or do anything different.
It is a proven fact tocchet is not a good coach. God bless his agent as if I were a coach or player I would hire him asap.
he has not done an amazing job.
he is riding the coattails of a goalie having a career year so far; does that sound familiar? 23/24 he also rode the coattails of some players having career years. that year is an outlier for his entire coaching career.
I wonder who will last longer, Danny or Tocchet.
its not clear he isn’t a good fit at center as they never game him any chance to find out. that is what a smart rebuilding organization would have done.
Yea, you can’t count 2 games as “giving him a chance”. Is him playing winger the best fit in the short term while trying to win this year? Possibly but that just reflects the total disconnect with what they are saying vs what they are doing because they need to find out if he can play center for the long term even if playing winger this year gives them a short term boost.
With the Flyers only being 1 point out of last place it’s scary how far they could fall if he wasn’t doing a good job. But seriously everyone is in the mix, it’s november and the overtime point system is keeping everything close as the NHL prefers. What should be scary is that the Flyers are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even with that offensive 6 goal outburst the other day. Without that they might be the worst and as mentioned, without Vlader playing way way way beyond anything he’s ever done before so far this season, there’d be hope for a top 3 draft pick.
God forbid they actually try to do a rebuild and draft a center like Bedard or a top defenseman but it’s easier to bullshit about rebuilding than doing what CHI did.
But hey, i hear the Flyers are going to trade half the team for Quinn Hughes because apparently the Flyers have so many great picks and players Vancouver would be fools to say no.
Flyers reportedly interested in acquiring Quinn Hughes from Canucks
The Flyers will try every way but the right way to build a team and interestingly enough they keep calling their way “the right way” even as it continues to fail.
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