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June 30, 2025 at 5:38 pm #13921
VonZipper
ParticipantSeeing Columbus gave him 7 years at $8.5M per season.
Granted, Columbus has to overpay to get players to come/stay, but the line of thinking that the Flyers can fix their woes through free agency is terribly myopic.
June 30, 2025 at 5:48 pm #13932FlyerFrank
ParticipantThe Flyers don’t have the cap space for that deal. They do have the space to fill a couple glaring holes, roughly $9M. You can get a couple $4.5M guys for that. $7-8M in dead space goes away in 26 plus the cap increase, they could be bigger game hunters next July 1.
June 30, 2025 at 6:42 pm #13964VonZipper
Participant<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”transition: all; font-size: 15px !important;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>The Flyers don’t have the cap space for that deal. They do have the space to fill a couple glaring holes, roughly $9M. You can get a couple $4.5M guys for that. $7-8M in dead space goes away in 26 plus the cap increase, they could be bigger game hunters next July 1.
I’m curious as to the long-term plan for your proposed fix.
Are we talking 1 year deals to fix these couple glaring holes? If so, what sort of player do you think you’ll get on a 1 year, $4.5M (or whatever amount you’re comfortable with) deal? Is it a player that actually fixes said glaring hole, or just another place holder?
As for the cap increase, are you hoping that Zegras poops the bed? Because if he plays up to the hopes the Flyers have for him, I can’t imagine he’ll take a deal for less than the $6.5M he’s making this year. Is that a scenario that has been planned for, if the Flyers let him walk should he ask for market value (assuming he’s what they hope he will be), and if so, what’s the plan for a top 6 center now? And this doesn’t even consider Matvei Michkov, who will be eligible for an extension at the end of next season, and will most likely be getting paid as well (guessing in the neighborhood of that “going away dead space,” if not more).
What I’m seeing in your post is more kicking the can down the road instead of having a long-term plan for success. And no, I’m not suggesting they become a playoff team this year (or the year after, for that matter), but if you improve the record slightly, you’re in a worse position in the next draft, and you end up repeating the cycle, just as the Flyers have done for over a decade now. Is repeating the same old mistakes acceptable?
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June 30, 2025 at 7:05 pm #13977FlyerFrank
ParticipantI’m curious as to the long-term plan for your proposed fix.
Are we talking 1 year deals to fix these couple glaring holes? If so, what sort of player do you think you’ll get on a 1 year, $4.5M (or whatever amount you’re comfortable with) deal? Is it a player that actually fixes said glaring hole, or just another place holder?
As for the cap increase, are you hoping that Zegras poops the bed? Because if he plays up to the hopes the Flyers have for him, I can’t imagine he’ll take a deal for less than the $6.5M he’s making this year. Is that a scenario that has been planned for, if the Flyers let him walk should he asks for market (assuming he’s what they hope he will be), and if so, what’s the plan for a top 6 center now? And this doesn’t even consider Matvei Michkov, who will be eligible for an extension at the end of next season, and will most likely be getting paid as well (guessing in the neighborhood of that “going away dead space,” if not more).
What I’m seeing in your post is more kicking the can down the road instead of having a long-term plan for success. And no, I’m not suggesting they become a playoff team this year (or the year after, for that matter), but if you improve the record slightly, you’re in a worse position in the next draft, and you end up repeating the cycle, just as the Flyers have done for over a decade now. Is repeating the same old mistakes acceptable?
Depends on the guy. Will his leaving after 25-26 create a hole they’ll have to refill again next summer? I don’t think there’s a goalie out there I’d be confident enough in to go beyond 2-3 years. A lot of guys, RFA and UFA have gotten taken off the block through trading and resigning. I’d go 4-5 years on either the right Dman or goalie but I’m not sure either of those guys is available. I was a little off on my dead space number. It’s $6-7M. So basically, if Zegras delivers in 25-26, you can reup him with what is dead money this year and have what his current cap hit is, which is $5.75M, to do other things. Think about that. How is that an issue? The Flyers have cap money to play with this year and I’ll start thinking more deeply about next off season if and when they fall out of playoff contention. When you’re building, starting with the foundation, then doing the framing and so on isn’t kicking the can down the road. It’s how that happens.
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June 30, 2025 at 7:15 pm #13983VonZipper
ParticipantDepends on the guy. Will his leaving after 25-26 create a hole they’ll have to refill again next summer? I don’t think there’s a goalie out there I’d be confident enough in to go beyond 2-3 years. A lot of guys, RFA and UFA have gotten taken off the block through trading and resigning. I’d go 4-5 years on either the right Dman or goalie but I’m not sure either of those guys is available. I was a little off on my dead space number. It’s $6-7M. So basically, if Zegras delivers in 25-26, you can reup him with what is dead money this year and have what his current cap hit is, which is $5.75M, to do other things. Think about that. How is that an issue? The Flyers have cap money to play with this year and I’ll start thinking more deeply about next off season if and when they fall out of playoff contention. When you’re building, starting with the foundation, then doing the framing and so on isn’t kicking the can down the road. It’s how that happens.
When you have no long-term plan, especially when trying to build something, you’re merely kicking the can down the road.
June 30, 2025 at 7:26 pm #13987FlyerFrank
ParticipantWhen you have no long-term plan, especially when trying to build something, you’re merely kicking the can down the road.
We will see what they do tomorrow. That will go a long way towards seeing what they see as needed fixes for this season. They still have three awful holes: Goalie, another top 4 Dman, and 4th line center who can win faceoffs in that order of importance. Goalies can come relatively cheap as can 4c’s. They may not be able to get all three. You saw Friday they want to get bigger and tougher to play against without sacrificing talent. They’ve already added a coaching staff that seems more geared towards where they’re at and looking to go. They’ve already added a guy who will fill a hole at center that everyone knows they needed. I see them as identifying obvious needs and filling them efficiently.
June 30, 2025 at 9:04 pm #14014black_francis
Participanti might be in the minority but i like york and would prioritize holding onto him.
June 30, 2025 at 9:28 pm #14024FlyerFrank
Participanti might be in the minority but i like york and would prioritize holding onto him.
I guess I like York well enough. Not holding onto him isn’t an option. They just have too many holes. I like him better at 3 or 4D than 2D, which is where he is now. I was not blown away by what I saw from him last year. Sanheim is the straw that stirs the drink in their top pairing. I like Sanheim a boatload more and like Risto and Seeler in their slots better too.
June 30, 2025 at 11:07 pm #14054black_francis
ParticipantI guess I like York well enough. Not holding onto him isn’t an option. They just have too many holes. I like him better at 3 or 4D than 2D, which is where he is now. I was not blown away by what I saw from him last year. Sanheim is the straw that stirs the drink in their top pairing. I like Sanheim a boatload more and like Risto and Seeler in their slots better too.
i think there is another level to his game and I see captain potential. too early to toss him aside in a trade IMO. even mcdavid and ekblad took about a decade to be playing for the cup. not every player is going to have a makar trajectory.
June 30, 2025 at 11:35 pm #14058FlyerFrank
Participanti think there is another level to his game and I see captain potential. too early to toss him aside in a trade IMO. even mcdavid and ekblad took about a decade to be playing for the cup. not every player is going to have a makar trajectory.
Then let him do what leaders are doing for other teams. Come in underpriced so your team can grab a couple UFAs to make the team better. He needs to find another gear. He’s not a UFA like Provorov was going to be before he re-upped. The Flyers have some leverage here. I’m seeing he’s asking above $6M. I think he’s asking a lot for what I’ve seen from him. Sanheim I like at $6.75M. I’m obviously a Sanheim fan. My big problem on defense is JD.
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