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You know, as a late 50’s Western Canadian and an outsider looking in, it’s somewhat fascinating to watch the Leaf organization over the past 40 years. In recent years, the Shanaplan years, they played some good hockey for y’all but they never accomplished anything of note. Just so many poor decisions and a flawed roster resulted. Now you seem to be between a rock and a hard place, do you start over again or do you continue to chase with a flawed roster.
Reid compared to Doughty. Verhoeff compared to Pronger. I mean, this guy seems to just be calling for home runs from everybody and relies heavily on offensive stats while defense and intangibles seem to not matter as much. If that’s the case, the Leafs are still better off with trading down and taking the RHD.
Leafs have failed many times trying to build a team with guys like McKenna (Kessel, Nylander, Tavares etc.). Rather have the 18 year old top pair RHD and worry about acquiring the offense from trading Matthews and Nylander.
any draft comps are going to put out the best case scenario for the player type.
the other comps for Ried was Seth jones.I looked at all the Dmen taken in the 2010-2019 drafts, i would say there were about 9 or 10 true top pair #1 D out of 32, so roughly a 30% chance.
If you end up with a pretty good D, 2/3/4 range..still good but not worth a #1 pick. Dmen are riskyLeafs got Rielly #5, good player but never a #1
I dont care if they trade down and pick one of the D, but it has to be a sure thing, and thats not possible.
Id offer #1 for say Moritz Seider, stud RHD. had some of the best defensive metrics.
If they’re going to trade one of Nylander or Matthews, I’d have them trade Nylander. He has a longer contract and has a bit of an attitude. He’s pretty one dimensional, compared to Matthews. At least Matthews wins faceoffs and plays a better defensive game. It all depends on the return. Leafs should explore the trade for 1st to 3rd, but it should cost Vancouver a top prospect or first rounder. See if they’ll take Rielly and give us at least a 2nd rounder for him. Another shit season for Vancouver and that 2nd will be like a late first.
Another draft ranking. mainly just based on draft years production.
doesnt make the decision any easier. Stay #1, trade down…who to pickReid compared to Doughty. Verhoeff compared to Pronger. I mean, this guy seems to just be calling for home runs from everybody and relies heavily on offensive stats while defense and intangibles seem to not matter as much. If that’s the case, the Leafs are still better off with trading down and taking the RHD.
Leafs have failed many times trying to build a team with guys like McKenna (Kessel, Nylander, Tavares etc.). Rather have the 18 year old top pair RHD and worry about acquiring the offense from trading Matthews and Nylander.
this is my proposal
Van gets – #1 pick (Mckenna), Rielly
Tor gets – #3 pick (Stenberg/Ried), E PettersonLeafs still get a skilled top 6 player who can contribute now. and either Stenberg or the D they need Ried.
Van gets flashy #1 pick and 3/4 DEW. No. Pettersson absolutely sucks. 15 goals, 50 points and -30. That’s a good plan if you want to tank harder.
The Sedins took over VAN now so they’re going to cook him some Swedish meatballs and won’t trade him or his horrible contract.
Another draft ranking. mainly just based on draft years production.
doesnt make the decision any easier. Stay #1, trade down…who to pickMcKenna did see a drop off in his equivalency from his D-1 to his DY, and as you probably know I don’t like drop offs from your D-1 to DY because the historical data is not kind to it. But McKenna dropped off from one of the absolute highest D-1 equivalencies ever recorded to one in the top 0.01% for DY equivalencies. He switched leagues in his DY (which very few have done before him) to a league that is ~50% harder in competition than the WHL. So I am not concerned about this drop off. Had he stayed in the WHL, he probably would have eclipsed his D-1 equivalency (57), and put up close to 3 points a game.
All that to say… McKenna has the elite, elite model profile that I love. The ‘certain superstar’ profile where every forward drafted before him that looked somewhat similar (D-1 NHLe of 40+, DY NHLe of 50+) has turned into a superstar (a point per game or beyond). Bedard, Celebrini, Hughes, Matthews, McDavid, Eichel, Kane, Crosby… they all looked like this.
He profiles almost exactly like Patrick Kane
Sundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
I’m not convinced that San Jose would take Stenberg at #2. They may be looking at either trading down to #4 or taking a defenseman at #2. The Leafs could chance it, trading down to #3, if they get a top prospect or another 1st from Vancouver. The Leafs might even try to put Rielly into the trade to gain another prospect or a player they could use. Vancouver really wants to make a splash and bring in McKenna. Make them pay like other franchises made the Leafs pay, when they were after talent.
this is my proposal
Van gets – #1 pick (Mckenna), Rielly
Tor gets – #3 pick (Stenberg/Ried), E PettersonLeafs still get a skilled top 6 player who can contribute now. and either Stenberg or the D they need Ried.
Van gets flashy #1 pick and 3/4 DSundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
I’m not convinced that San Jose would take Stenberg at #2. They may be looking at either trading down to #4 or taking a defenseman at #2. The Leafs could chance it, trading down to #3, if they get a top prospect or another 1st from Vancouver. The Leafs might even try to put Rielly into the trade to gain another prospect or a player they could use. Vancouver really wants to make a splash and bring in McKenna. Make them pay like other franchises made the Leafs pay, when they were after talent.
I am not talking about hype, just the scoring upside and type of player. But Zetterberg is also a comp for Stenberg.
Kane did score 62 goals and 145 points, but in his age 17-18 season.
Mckenna had 129 points in the WHL in his age 16-17 Season. He was over 1 year younger. Its hard to compare his NCAA season to Kane last OHL season.I am not advocating for anyone, my comments are on just what I feel the Leafs will do. But ultimately I have no idea, Chayka can be a wild card sometimes.
Sundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
