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ottawa is gone and probably the oilers are next unless mcdavid and drai can drag them through a round or two before the lack of goaltending and shoddy defense catches up to them.
it makes me want to vomit saying it, but habs probably have the best shot of any canadian team. if their goaltending holds up. i’m still sort of rooting for freddie in carolina and mitch in vegas. freddie is great until the inevitable injury comes and then carolina is cooked. i think colorado stops any hope of vegas coming out of the west though.seems weird to me that none of the teams with elite goalies are doing well (or even qualified). almost every vezina candidate is either playing golf or struggling like vasilevsky.
Robertson has been inconsistent over the years for the Stars in the playoffs, but he is having himself a series so far this year. Playing really well tonight.
Game 7 vs Calgary in 2022. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Minnesota in 2023. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Seattle in 2024. 0 goals.
Game 7 vs Seattle in 2024. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Vegas in 2023. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Vegas in 2024. 0 goals.
Game 7 vs Vegas in 2024. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Colorado in 2024. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Edmonton in 2024. 0 goals.
Game 6 vs Winnipeg in 2025. 0 goals.Good thing he doesn’t play in Toronto otherwise he’d be run out of town by now.
Robertson has been inconsistent over the years for the Stars in the playoffs, but he is having himself a series so far this year. Playing really well tonight.
and the Sens have been sweeped!
Swept, never held a lead at any time in any of the games, Stutzle and Tkachuk both with 0 goals.
And Ullmark played great too. It’s not like they got shit goaltending.
Andersen also stood on his head, as usual, another Leafs player run out of town still showing his talents while the Leafs still haven’t found a goalie who can play a full season.
Absolutely wonderful.
you’ve convinced me, now the leafs would just need to convince another gm in that scenario. it will be interesting to see what happens next season. if i’m matthews, i’m low-key looking at my options and getting my affairs in order for a move to another team or country. getting assassinated by gudas and watching my teammates lollygag around like eunuchs and doing nothing. gudas could have whipped out his junk and pissed on matthews and nobody in a blue jersey would do anything about it. shit, i wanted to see somebody come off the bench and at least try if the pantywaists on the ice wouldn’t. fuck, i’d half expect berube to see red, flash back to his enforcer days, and go after gudas in the tunnel later or something.
if matthews stays and i was him, i get up in front of the whole team in the locker room and lay down the new law. maybe even get adversarial a little, get in some faces, poke some chests, call out some shit into the open and confront it. if he wouldn’t do that, then i’m not sure if i’d want him. and if he did and it didn’t make a difference starting with the next game, my next call would be to my agent and the GM.
I know exactly how you feel and I wish the Leafs were built differently too. They just have a team full of listless pussies with very, very few exceptions. You can have a few, high skill pussies but not the majority of the team and that’s a major issue the Leafs have had the past two decades.
The good part about rebuilding with new management, if you had a guy like Pronger as part of it, you wouldn’t see that shit ever again. You could draft accordingly to assemble a group of mean, tough, determined, motivated bastards so that when you do have a couple soft pussies who only score goals, they’re insulated and protected like Pasta in Boston for example.
Matthews is absolutely the opposite of that. He’s not going to demand that from his own team. You can tell he’s a marshmallow. He’s a bigger, better Kessel.
Wonderful. Ottawa and Toronto won the exact same number of playoff games and series this year.
Ottawa bitching about penalties when they went 1 for 9 on the PP. Shut the fuck up Ottawa.
Fuck Ottawa in it’s entirely. Worthless sack of shit city filled with corrupt libtards.
what would a realistic return on matthews look like? lets be brutally honest with ourselves. fans often overvalue their players in hypothetical trades.
going our way is the fact that the cap is rising. if matthews wanted out and waived his no trade, it’s not like he’s on a bargain contract. he would need a new deal or extension soon after and he would be looking to cash in one last time before he’s way past his prime earning years. ruling out something crazy like a one for one elites deal, we would be looking at a first round pick, a roster player or blue chip prospect, and possibly some throw ins like low picks or low-ceiling prospects. i think thats a fairly realistic expectation and i’m not sure we get that much necessarily. the leafs have a history of getting low-balled and settling for less. it sucks to even contemplate getting less than that for him, but here we are.
i’d take a first, a second, a third, and Hagel.
Your price doesn’t help the Leafs rebuild as Hagel is 27, too old to survive a rebuild. Tampa Bay probably wouldn’t want to give him up anyway. A 1st, 2nd and a young roster player is closer to Nylander’s value. Matthews, under the correct scenario, is significantly more valuable.
The first thing to consider is that you can’t trade Matthews at this very moment for two major reasons.
1) The Leafs don’t have their 1st round pick for next year so tanking right now only helps Boston / Philadelphia.
2) They stand to get more for Matthews if they rebuild Matthews’ value first.However, if they give up their pick to Boston in 2026 and the Flyers in 2027, it makes A LOT of sense to trade Matthews at the 2027 draft for maximum value. If the Leafs have to give the Bruins the 2027 pick and the Flyers the 2028 pick, it creates a disaster for the Leafs ability to rebuild for years.
So imagine a scenario where Matthews is healthy next year and scores 45-50 goals again, his value is back up and the Leafs will have their 1st round pick again for 2028.
A realistic return on Matthews would be very, very good. Here are the reasons why.
Any team that acquires Matthews would only have to pay him 450K in real dollars. Yes, that’s right, 450K for one of the best snipers of this generation. With Matthews’ salary being almost entirely upfront signing bonuses, whatever team acquires Matthews will pay him next to nothing in real dollars. Additionally, if the Leafs retain 50% of his cap hit (who cares, they would be rebuilding if they trade him anyway) then his cap hit will be an absurd 6.625 AAV. And then, if all of that wasn’t already good enough, whatever team acquires him has the time to negotiate an 8 year extension which he might finally accept as he exits his prime years. This allows any team that acquires him to “go for it” with Matthews making peanuts in real dollars and a 50% cap hit discount for 1 year as a rental and/or add him long term with time to make the space for him to fit.
Now imagine a scenario where Utah, Anaheim, LA or San Jose want Matthews to contend with the big boys in the West and the other big boys in the West find out about that. Do you think Colorado could move 6.625 AAV to acquire Matthews, even as a 1 year rental? Same goes for Dallas, Minnesota, Vegas and Edmonton. You could have 6-8 teams in the West throwing offers at you left, right and center, all trying to out bid the other contenders in the West. And then, you might have some insane offer from one or two teams in the East if a contender wants to make a huge splash like Carolina.
If you look at what Rantanen got (Stankoven (under 23 roster player), two 1sts and two 3rds), Matthews could easily get that as an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM and probably get way more through a bidding war and contract retention is 50%.
I think two 1st round picks, a bluechip top prospect and a young (under 23) roster player is fair value for Matthews with a 6.625 cap hit and exclusive rights to negotiate an 8 year extension. Basically, four 1st round picks which would be standard value for a high value player signing an offer sheet as an example.
ok, those are some fair points. i didn’t know all that about structuring contracts and now that you mention it, somebody like matthews would attract multiple suitors.
you’ve convinced me, now the leafs would just need to convince another gm in that scenario. it will be interesting to see what happens next season. if i’m matthews, i’m low-key looking at my options and getting my affairs in order for a move to another team or country. getting assassinated by gudas and watching my teammates lollygag around like eunuchs and doing nothing. gudas could have whipped out his junk and pissed on matthews and nobody in a blue jersey would do anything about it. shit, i wanted to see somebody come off the bench and at least try if the pantywaists on the ice wouldn’t. fuck, i’d half expect berube to see red, flash back to his enforcer days, and go after gudas in the tunnel later or something.
if matthews stays and i was him, i get up in front of the whole team in the locker room and lay down the new law. maybe even get adversarial a little, get in some faces, poke some chests, call out some shit into the open and confront it. if he wouldn’t do that, then i’m not sure if i’d want him. and if he did and it didn’t make a difference starting with the next game, my next call would be to my agent and the GM.
what would a realistic return on matthews look like? lets be brutally honest with ourselves. fans often overvalue their players in hypothetical trades.
going our way is the fact that the cap is rising. if matthews wanted out and waived his no trade, it’s not like he’s on a bargain contract. he would need a new deal or extension soon after and he would be looking to cash in one last time before he’s way past his prime earning years. ruling out something crazy like a one for one elites deal, we would be looking at a first round pick, a roster player or blue chip prospect, and possibly some throw ins like low picks or low-ceiling prospects. i think thats a fairly realistic expectation and i’m not sure we get that much necessarily. the leafs have a history of getting low-balled and settling for less. it sucks to even contemplate getting less than that for him, but here we are.
i’d take a first, a second, a third, and Hagel.
Your price doesn’t help the Leafs rebuild as Hagel is 27, too old to survive a rebuild. Tampa Bay probably wouldn’t want to give him up anyway. A 1st, 2nd and a young roster player is closer to Nylander’s value. Matthews, under the correct scenario, is significantly more valuable.
The first thing to consider is that you can’t trade Matthews at this very moment for two major reasons.
1) The Leafs don’t have their 1st round pick for next year so tanking right now only helps Boston / Philadelphia.
2) They stand to get more for Matthews if they rebuild Matthews’ value first.However, if they give up their pick to Boston in 2026 and the Flyers in 2027, it makes A LOT of sense to trade Matthews at the 2027 draft for maximum value. If the Leafs have to give the Bruins the 2027 pick and the Flyers the 2028 pick, it creates a disaster for the Leafs ability to rebuild for years.
So imagine a scenario where Matthews is healthy next year and scores 45-50 goals again, his value is back up and the Leafs will have their 1st round pick again for 2028.
A realistic return on Matthews would be very, very good. Here are the reasons why.
Any team that acquires Matthews would only have to pay him 450K in real dollars. Yes, that’s right, 450K for one of the best snipers of this generation. With Matthews’ salary being almost entirely upfront signing bonuses, whatever team acquires Matthews will pay him next to nothing in real dollars. Additionally, if the Leafs retain 50% of his cap hit (who cares, they would be rebuilding if they trade him anyway) then his cap hit will be an absurd 6.625 AAV. And then, if all of that wasn’t already good enough, whatever team acquires him has the time to negotiate an 8 year extension which he might finally accept as he exits his prime years. This allows any team that acquires him to “go for it” with Matthews making peanuts in real dollars and a 50% cap hit discount for 1 year as a rental and/or add him long term with time to make the space for him to fit.
Now imagine a scenario where Utah, Anaheim, LA or San Jose want Matthews to contend with the big boys in the West and the other big boys in the West find out about that. Do you think Colorado could move 6.625 AAV to acquire Matthews, even as a 1 year rental? Same goes for Dallas, Minnesota, Vegas and Edmonton. You could have 6-8 teams in the West throwing offers at you left, right and center, all trying to out bid the other contenders in the West. And then, you might have some insane offer from one or two teams in the East if a contender wants to make a huge splash like Carolina.
If you look at what Rantanen got (Stankoven (under 23 roster player), two 1sts and two 3rds), Matthews could easily get that as an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM and probably get way more through a bidding war and contract retention is 50%.
I think two 1st round picks, a bluechip top prospect and a young (under 23) roster player is fair value for Matthews with a 6.625 cap hit and exclusive rights to negotiate an 8 year extension. Basically, four 1st round picks which would be standard value for a high value player signing an offer sheet as an example.
what would a realistic return on matthews look like? lets be brutally honest with ourselves. fans often overvalue their players in hypothetical trades.
going our way is the fact that the cap is rising. if matthews wanted out and waived his no trade, it’s not like he’s on a bargain contract. he would need a new deal or extension soon after and he would be looking to cash in one last time before he’s way past his prime earning years. ruling out something crazy like a one for one elites deal, we would be looking at a first round pick, a roster player or blue chip prospect, and possibly some throw ins like low picks or low-ceiling prospects. i think thats a fairly realistic expectation and i’m not sure we get that much necessarily. the leafs have a history of getting low-balled and settling for less. it sucks to even contemplate getting less than that for him, but here we are.
i’d take a first, a second, a third, and Hagel.
