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So your main gripe is the Flyers could have drafted better, not that they didn’t get players. Luchanko and Bonk appear to be future solid players even if they weren’t the best players available. Buium and Perrault are smallish. I’ll take my chances with Bonk and Luchanko and building a harder to play against team. Most of your complaints seem to be hypothetical, about a future that hasn’t happened. None of them, some of them, most of them or all of them could pan out. I have my own too. We seem to agree on the Drysdale problem. There’s so much negativity here, it tends to distract me from my own gripes and concerns.
The team just spent multiple years trying to acquire those players. ND was one of those players. Tortorella just spent 3 years saying the same thing before he publicly told the team to f off and pay him not to coach. Where did that get the Flyers except some more fans in the seats who bought the cliche? It got a bunch of players who were burnt out by trying to go full speed for 60 minutes a game. The teams that are truly “harder to play against” are teams with good puck possession who play a system that fits their strengths. Teams with talent at the cornerstone positions where the team isn’t trying to hammer square pegs in round holes.
There is nobody who thinks the Flyers, a bottom feeder, are hard to play against. But hey, they do love to block shots for what it’s worth. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
There is nobody who thinks the Flyers, a bottom feeder, are hard to play against.
Exactly, which is why I’m happy to see the Flyers address that issue, getting bigger and tougher, and others as well. You’re arguing in a circle. The guys you said they should have drafted don’t address that issue better than the players they did draft.
There is nobody who thinks the Flyers, a bottom feeder, are hard to play against.
Exactly, which is why I’m happy to see the Flyers address that issue, getting bigger and tougher, and others as well. You’re arguing in a circle. The guys you said they should have drafted don’t address that issue better than the players they did draft.
No. I clearly told you my definition of hard to play against and you substituted your own. You want the broad street bullies? Well you may get them but it’s not the 1970’s anymore. Stanley Cup winners generally have certain things in common. The Flyers have none of those things, nor do they even try beyond some lip service.
No. I clearly told you my definition of hard to play against and you substituted your own. You want the broad street bullies? Well you may get them but it’s not the 1970’s anymore. Stanley Cup winners generally have certain things in common. The Flyers have none of those things, nor do they even try beyond some lip service.
Your definition is not the generally accepted definition. Yeah, a hard to play against team is a big team that has mean players who hit people, they’re willing to get nasty in the trenches. What was the last Cup champ that didn’t have that, that built their team around small, skilled guys who get pushed around like shopping carts? The Flyers do have enough legitimate short term questions on D and in goal. The fact they aren’t building in your preferred fashion is of no consequence to me. They’re building in my preferred fashion.
Your definition is not the generally accepted definition. Yeah, a hard to play against team is a big team that has mean players who hit people, they’re willing to get nasty in the trenches. What was the last Cup champ that didn’t have that, that built their team around small, skilled guys who get pushed around like shopping carts? The Flyers do have enough legitimate short term questions on D and in goal. The fact they aren’t building in your preferred fashion is of no consequence to me. They’re building in my preferred fashion.
Defense and goaltending are long-term questions. Outside of Bonk possibly being a middle-pairing defenseman, what else of quality is currently in the system? And as I alluded to in a previous post, Flyers goaltending prospects have mostly been disappointing for the past 3 1/2 decades.
For whatever reasons, history shows the Flyers have had problems developing top-tier defensemen and goaltenders.
No. I clearly told you my definition of hard to play against and you substituted your own. You want the broad street bullies? Well you may get them but it’s not the 1970’s anymore. Stanley Cup winners generally have certain things in common. The Flyers have none of those things, nor do they even try beyond some lip service.
Your definition is not the generally accepted definition. Yeah, a hard to play against team is a big team that has mean players who hit people, they’re willing to get nasty in the trenches. What was the last Cup champ that didn’t have that, that built their team around small, skilled guys who get pushed around like shopping carts? The Flyers do have enough legitimate short term questions on D and in goal. The fact they aren’t building in your preferred fashion is of no consequence to me. They’re building in my preferred fashion.
The flyers have been building a team that is “hard” to play against for how many years now? What a success. Wasn’t that accomplished with torts? Whatever the flyers have tried has been a total failure for a decade plus.
Funny how you much like the flyers always leave the most important part out. High end talent. Always the intangibles and other flyers propaganda buzzwords.
They also have legit short- and long-term questions at center. In other words, they pretty need everything.
Who are these big mean hits people and nasty to play against on the flyers currently? Who in the system fits that description?
Very well said, and I tend to look at the bright side of things but it’s tough with this franchise and what we’ve been given the last dozen seasons.
Still no 1C, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1D, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1G, nor is there one in the system.Is it scouting, drafting, or player development? or all of the above? I am in the minority about Buium however, and not because I thought Jett was the better pick/prospect. I think the history with his agent would’ve possibly had the same outcome as CG.
Very well said, and I tend to look at the bright side of things but it’s tough with this franchise and what we’ve been given the last dozen seasons.
Still no 1C, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1D, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1G, nor is there one in the system.Is it scouting, drafting, or player development? or all of the above? I am in the minority about Buium however, and not because I thought Jett was the better pick/prospect. I think the history with his agent would’ve possibly had the same outcome as CG.
All of the above.
The Phantoms were basically ignored by the Flyers during Torts run, there was no coordination between them and the NHL club. Torts told everyone that he told LaPerriere to do whatever he wanted because the Phantoms were his team and not to worry about what the Flyers were doing. It goes back longer than that but recent history is no surprise as Torts just thought hockey boiled down to yelling at people and blocking pucks and didn’t concern himself with much else.
Scouting and drafting go together. What you ask your scouts to look for determines what information they bring you and how you make your draft decisions. Would better scouts uncover better players? Probably but the Flyers have historically favored “Flyers players” which aren’t Stanley Cup players in the modern era. So it’s a bit of both. The scouts have been here through multiple regime changes though, it’s time for fresh eyes.
This is not directed at you as you haven’t said why you prefer Jett but Buium is 6’0, not exactly a smurf, i guess he needs to be 6’6″ to be considered a legitimate prospect by some fans? He has won just about every award there is to win before coming to the NHL, both team and individual. This is yet another example of why the Flyers continue to fail. If Buium becomes what he’s projected to and Jett becomes what he’s projected to, the Flyers will still declare themselves winners because they value “born to be a flyer” players over the players that can win Stanley Cups.
DB has had 3 drafts and has shown no urgency in trying to acquire the cornerstone players you listed above and are exiting the “rebuild”. How do you exit a rebuild you haven’t started? Based on what i’ve read their preference is to throw big money at UFA next year after their cap finally clears up, you know, like Fletcher did. Will there be anyone available who is worth throwing that money at? Probably not, but historically that has not stopped the flyers from doing it.
Very well said, and I tend to look at the bright side of things but it’s tough with this franchise and what we’ve been given the last dozen seasons.
Still no 1C, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1D, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1G, nor is there one in the system.Is it scouting, drafting, or player development? or all of the above? I am in the minority about Buium however, and not because I thought Jett was the better pick/prospect. I think the history with his agent would’ve possibly had the same outcome as CG.
It is all the above and a cumulative effort of other departmental failures. I do not think the flyers hire the right people. Start with “hilf”. He has no business leading a sports franchise. He is a fan boy who IMO is easily manipulated.
They have nothing to sell except the past which shows these guys are not too bright. No new ideas. No new direction. No new concepts. No new anything. It will not change until the team is sold (not likely) or a total purge takes place. Again, not likely.
I never ever thought I would see this franchise end up in the shape it has ended up in. Really sad for someone who has been watching for decades.
No. I clearly told you my definition of hard to play against and you substituted your own. You want the broad street bullies? Well you may get them but it’s not the 1970’s anymore. Stanley Cup winners generally have certain things in common. The Flyers have none of those things, nor do they even try beyond some lip service.
Your definition is not the generally accepted definition. Yeah, a hard to play against team is a big team that has mean players who hit people, they’re willing to get nasty in the trenches. What was the last Cup champ that didn’t have that, that built their team around small, skilled guys who get pushed around like shopping carts? The Flyers do have enough legitimate short term questions on D and in goal. The fact they aren’t building in your preferred fashion is of no consequence to me. They’re building in my preferred fashion.
Whether you agree with it or not, i provided my definition and you ignored it. Look at the Buffalo Sabres, they have 6’6″ players on offense and defense. Are they a team anyone is afraid of? Should they book the parade route?
I’m not saying that size isn’t helpful but it’s not the main thing. The last 5 norris trophy winners are 5’10”, 5’10”, 5’11, and 6′(x2). Buium is 6′. One of those is Makar who anchored the Avalanche to the Stanley Cup. Nothing else matters until they get their corner stone players. Aspiring to be the Buffalo Sabres is a low bar.
It is all the above and a cumulative effort of other departmental failures. I do not think the flyers hire the right people. Start with “hilf”. He has no business leading a sports franchise. He is a fan boy who IMO is easily manipulated.
They have nothing to sell except the past which shows these guys are not too bright. No new ideas. No new direction. No new concepts. No new anything. It will not change until the team is sold (not likely) or a total purge takes place. Again, not likely.
I never ever thought I would see this franchise end up in the shape it has ended up in. Really sad for someone who has been watching for decades.
Much like their draft picks, the Flyers only seem to make comfortable organizational hires. It’s almost as if they don’t want to look outside of their little bubble as they’re afraid someone not entrenched in the “Flyers Way” might actually tell them what a brain-dead shit show this organization has become.
I’m like you… watched for decades, and never imagined they would fall to the depths they find themselves in now. And I’ll add to that I have zero confidence the people in place right now are the ones who can get things turned around.
It is all the above and a cumulative effort of other departmental failures. I do not think the flyers hire the right people. Start with “hilf”. He has no business leading a sports franchise. He is a fan boy who IMO is easily manipulated.
They have nothing to sell except the past which shows these guys are not too bright. No new ideas. No new direction. No new concepts. No new anything. It will not change until the team is sold (not likely) or a total purge takes place. Again, not likely.
I never ever thought I would see this franchise end up in the shape it has ended up in. Really sad for someone who has been watching for decades.
Much like their draft picks, the Flyers only seem to make comfortable organizational hires. It’s almost as if they don’t want to look outside of their little bubble as they’re afraid someone not entrenched in the “Flyers Way” might actually tell them what a brain-dead shit show this organization has become.
I’m like you… watched for decades, and never imagined they would fall to the depths they find themselves in now. And I’ll add to that I have zero confidence the people in place right now are the ones who can get things turned around.
not sure how anyone can.
Defense and goaltending are long-term questions. Outside of Bonk possibly being a middle-pairing defenseman, what else of quality is currently in the system? And as I alluded to in a previous post, Flyers goaltending prospects have mostly been disappointing for the past 3 1/2 decades.
For whatever reasons, history shows the Flyers have had problems developing top-tier defensemen and goaltenders.
I think those questions will get answered pretty quickly. If the team D, goalies included, doesn’t get better they’re in for another bad season. I frankly don’t think it can get any worse. They still have Dmen and at least a couple two-way forwards they can build around. You’re overestimating the importance of having originally drafted Dmen for good teams. Spent some time on this, and the majority of Dmen on top teams are usually acquired as already developed, plug and play pros.
to Flyers O1: Buium is the better player, and I would love to have a D with his talent in orange and black, but the history with his agent gives me pause. I’m not going to loose sleep no matter how his career turns out. CG on the other hand, especially if #9 flounders, will haunt me like BOB.
You hit the nail on the head “yes it’s me”.
I think those questions will get answered pretty quickly. If the team D, goalies included, doesn’t get better they’re in for another bad season. I frankly don’t think it can get any worse. They still have Dmen and at least a couple two-way forwards they can build around. You’re overestimating the importance of having originally drafted Dmen for good teams. Spent some time on this, and the majority of Dmen on top teams are usually acquired as already developed, plug and play pros.
You’re looking small picture here. I’m looking big picture. Outside of the players who are currently on the NHL roster (which as a unit, is below average) and Oliver Bonk (who right now one has to hope can get somewhere near his ceiling or he’s just another name we’ll soon forget), what defenseman in the system is NHL quality within the next 2-5 years? Ditto for the goaltenders. Until one of those kids shows he can perform at the NHL level, they’re all the second coming of Maxime Oulette to me.
And as replied on another thread… how many good defensemen are you going to acquire via FA when you constantly spend to the cap? And yes, there is money coming off the books this season, but is it enough to rebuild a bad defense on the fly, and realistically, can this team spend it’s way out of its troubles? They sure as hell haven’t done it the past 15 seasons.
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