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Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
If your goal is to be a bubble team, then yes, that could happen. The foundation of a legit cup contender are the corner stones (esp. on those rookie contracts), which they do not have nor are they doing what is necessary to get them. The players they are getting are not building blocks, they are complementary pieces.
The Flyers FO continuously try to slap a coat of paint on the Flyers without actually fixing the foundation. This is not a slam on the players themselves but until the cornerstones are in place they will all be asked to play above their abilities and that is not a recipe for success.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
If your goal is to be a bubble team, then yes, that could happen. The foundation of a legit cup contender are the corner stones (esp. on those rookie contracts), which they do not have nor are they doing what is necessary to get them. The players they are getting are not building blocks, they are complementary pieces.
The Flyers FO continuously try to slap a coat of paint on the Flyers without actually fixing the foundation. This is not a slam on the players themselves but until the cornerstones are in place they will all be asked to play above their abilities and that is not a recipe for success.
the flyers do not see it that way; which is hysterical.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
Finally, a voice of reason around here. The Flyers are within range of putting a decent, competitive team on the ice for the first time in years. A couple of the choices for opening night fixes, in G and on D, look questionable. Forwards look OK. They have 4 legitimate NHL centers and the Top 4 wingers combined for 95 goals last year. That is enough to go into this season with and hope the D and G band aids don’t fall off.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
If your goal is to be a bubble team, then yes, that could happen. The foundation of a legit cup contender are the cornerstones (esp. on those rookie contracts), which they do not have nor are they doing what is necessary to get them. The players they are getting are not building blocks, they are complementary pieces.
The Flyers FO continuously try to slap a coat of paint on the Flyers without actually fixing the foundation. This is not a slam on the players themselves but until the cornerstones are in place they will all be asked to play above their abilities and that is not a recipe for success.
You’re trying to put the cart before the horse, it’s not a finished product yet. They’re three drafts into a rebuilding process, it’s ridiculous to think they’re going to turn the franchise around in three drafts without having a top five pick in any of those drafts. I completely understand the frustration, I was born in the late 60’s and I’ve been following this team for a long time, quite frankly, it’s been one of the worst run franchises for the past 15 years. They’ve been unable to adapt to a cap era, they’ve always built teams primarily through deals, not drafting. You can’t make good deals if you haven’t drafted well and have some ammunition to get what you want. Even with drafting there’s no guarantees, look at the Leafs, they had some excellent players they drafted but they were way too top heavy and didn’t build a balanced “team”.
I refuse to crap all over what they’re trying to accomplish just because I’m upset with the past, it hasn’t been good, but moving forward, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
Finally, a voice of reason around here. The Flyers are within range of putting a decent, competitive team on the ice for the first time in years. A couple of the choices for opening night fixes, in G and on D, look questionable. Forwards look OK. They have 4 legitimate NHL centers and the Top 4 wingers combined for 95 goals last year. That is enough to go into this season with and hope the D and G band aids don’t fall off.
what range is that? maybe a #8 seed if all goes well.
You’re trying to put the cart before the horse, it’s not a finished product yet. They’re three drafts into a rebuilding process, it’s ridiculous to think they’re going to turn the franchise around in three drafts without having a top five pick in any of those drafts. I completely understand the frustration, I was born in the late 60’s and I’ve been following this team for a long time, quite frankly, it’s been one of the worst run franchises for the past 15 years. They’ve been unable to adapt to a cap era, they’ve always built teams primarily through deals, not drafting. You can’t make good deals if you haven’t drafted well and have some ammunition to get what you want. Even with drafting there’s no guarantees, look at the Leafs, they had some excellent players they drafted but they were way too top heavy and didn’t build a balanced “team”.
I refuse to crap all over what they’re trying to accomplish just because I’m upset with the past, it hasn’t been good, but moving forward, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time.[/quote]
what are they doing differently from the past?
Is it any different than you claiming they’ll somehow be harder to play against over and over again? Sounds like a big if to me, but since it fits your narrative, it’s okay, right?
What if Buium isn’t the next Cale Makar but is the next Jamie Drysdale? We can obviously keep tabs on all four of Buium, Perrault, Luchanko and Bonk. We’ll see how that works out but it’s a little early to claim the Flyers are terrible at drafting based on a completely made-up hypothetical future.
Is it any different than you claiming they’ll somehow be harder to play against over and over again? Sounds like a big if to me, but since it fits your narrative, it’s okay, right?
What if Buium isn’t the next Cale Makar but is the next Jamie Drysdale? We can obviously keep tabs on all four of Buium, Perrault, Luchanko and Bonk. We’ll see how that works out but it’s a little early to claim the Flyers are terrible at drafting based on a completely made-up hypothetical future.
what in flahrs track record leads you to believe he is good at drafting? what so much faith?
what in flahrs track record leads you to believe he is good at drafting? what so much faith?
It’s looks to me like they have plenty of forward prospects, and only one D prospect, who look like they will be regular NHL players. Martone, Luchanko, Nesbitt and maybe Berglund will play for the big team. Bonk will too. None of that will happen this season, but it’s on the way.
what are they doing differently from the past?
Better utilizing the draft. They’ve had 12 picks in the past three drafts in rounds 1 & 2, including five first round picks. Are they going to hit on every one of those, obviously not, but they’re setting themselves up for better odds by acquiring more picks. They still need a top 3 pick, or two, which they haven’t had, unfortunately. That’s where you start the process. It’s also the most picks they’ve had in rounds 1 & 2 during any three year stretch in their history. I’m hopeful that trend continues.
What if Buium isn’t the next Cale Makar but is the next Jamie Drysdale? We can obviously keep tabs on all four of Buium, Perrault, Luchanko and Bonk. We’ll see how that works out but it’s a little early to claim the Flyers are terrible at drafting based on a completely made-up hypothetical future.
Everything I say is hypothetical, yet you repeat ad nauseam that every player drafted a few months ago, kids who have yet to play an NHL game, will automatically make the Flyers tougher to play against?
Think I’ll go talk to a wall. I’m sure it will be a far more intelligent conversation.
It’s looks to me like they have plenty of forward prospects, and only one D prospect, who look like they will be regular NHL players. Martone, Luchanko, Nesbitt and maybe Berglund will play for the big team. Bonk will too. None of that will happen this season, but it’s on the way.
Is this a fact, or just your hypothesis?
See what I did there?
Think I’ll go talk to a wall. I’m sure it will be a far more intelligent conversation.
Hahaha. Why, because I haven’t bought into every non-sensical anti-Flyers cliche you have? Here are a couple pro tips for you:
1. Wanting a team that doesn’t get pushed around like a bunch of shopping carts and, possibly, pushes the other team around, doesn’t mean skill doesn’t matter or that we should all time travel back to the 70s for that old time hockey.
2. Every smallish, amateur Dman with some offensive skills is not the next Erik Karlsson. Actually, playing defense still matters.
You’re trying to put the cart before the horse, it’s not a finished product yet. They’re three drafts into a rebuilding process, it’s ridiculous to think they’re going to turn the franchise around in three drafts without having a top five pick in any of those drafts. I completely understand the frustration, I was born in the late 60’s and I’ve been following this team for a long time, quite frankly, it’s been one of the worst run franchises for the past 15 years. They’ve been unable to adapt to a cap era, they’ve always built teams primarily through deals, not drafting. You can’t make good deals if you haven’t drafted well and have some ammunition to get what you want. Even with drafting there’s no guarantees, look at the Leafs, they had some excellent players they drafted but they were way too top heavy and didn’t build a balanced “team”.
I refuse to crap all over what they’re trying to accomplish just because I’m upset with the past, it hasn’t been good, but moving forward, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time.
Briere : “I think we’re at a stage now where we’re going to shift a little bit from subtracting from the roster into trying to start to add and help the team”
If you aren’t going to have a top 5 pick, let alone multiple top 5 picks in the first couple years of a stated rebuild, then when do you expect the Flyers to get them? Especially after they announce they are moving onto the next phase, buying players.
Chicago drafted their (probable) #1 center and #1 dman, SJ drafted their (probable) #1 center and #1 dman, etc. Nobody is calling them finished products, these players and teams are years from being finished products. But they’ve started the clock. They have their building blocks, now they just need to build around them. Just because the Flyers refuse to make the hard decisions doesn’t mean it’s not something fans shouldn’t expect from a competent front office.
The Flyers haven’t had a top 5 pick because the front office doesn’t want one. Hell they were embarrassed to be as bad as they were last year because as Jonesy said “We’re saying one thing to everyone as far as our messaging that we’re rebuilding, but we made sure to tell everyone on the team that’s BS.” Just the year before they almost made the playoffs (despite not beating a division opponent for 3 consecutive months in an historically easy year to win the 8th spot). That’s why they panicked and bribed Fedotov to come over.
The Flyers are skipping step 1. They are drafting the people to support the corner stones, which they don’t have nor do they have a plan to acquire.
Why does it always come down to a “guarantee” when there is no defense for the flyers roster building? If you can’t “guarantee” a cup, the Flyers shouldn’t draft an Austin Matthews or Connor McDavid or Cale Makar or Sidney Crosby or Barkov or Ekblad, etc. Who needs them, amirite?
Winning the Stanley cup takes more than just talent but make no mistake, it does take talent. The kind of talent you can’t buy in FA.
what are they doing differently from the past?
Better utilizing the draft. They’ve had 12 picks in the past three drafts in rounds 1 & 2, including five first round picks. Are they going to hit on every one of those, obviously not, but they’re setting themselves up for better odds by acquiring more picks. They still need a top 3 pick, or two, which they haven’t had, unfortunately. That’s where you start the process. It’s also the most picks they’ve had in rounds 1 & 2 during any three year stretch in their history. I’m hopeful that trend continues.
I am not seeing anything all that different. They accumulated picks because they have been so bad. They will not get a top 3 pick by design; not much has been accomplished by design. That is the problem.
Look at the players they have taken in those rounds. Vanilla as can be with all pretty much having the same skillset. That will not get you anywhere. All depth/complimentary types if they pan out.
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