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Was off on vacation for a week and didn’t crack open the laptop once just read all the goings on etc. on my phone.
I’m not sure what’s worse UG’s constant whining like the little bitch he is about things that can’t change or that are just plain flat out made up bullshit or trying to use this site on a mobile phone.
I used to be able to log in on my phone but can’t even do that anymore. lol
Is this site working yet?
If so, avoid trading for Kadri unless Calgary retains 25% salary and it cost us scraps to get him.
Which isnt gonna happen.Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
No one argues that Marner isn’t an exceptional hockey player. He’s a two-time first team all-star. He’s 5th in franchise scoring and 3rd in P/G (1.13) behind only Gilmour (1.15) and Matthews (1.16).
Marner was overpaid on his first contract extension and was insistent on, again, being overpaid on his next. You can claim it’s wrong or incorrect, but his peers took significantly less than he did. We can also claim that he’s compensating for taxes – but again, $61m of his $65.5m was paid out in signing bonus money that can be deferred or redirected somewhat. Did he still get dinged in taxes more than someone in Dallas or Florida? Yeah, he did. But so it goes. When we look at Marner’s $10.9m contract over 6 years and compare that to Rantanen’s $9.25m, which was signed two weeks later, you start to realize you got hosed in the Marner contract. Obviously other immediate comparables were Aho @ $8.5m, Eichel @ $10m, Kucherov @ $9.5m or Panarin @ $11.6m. A solid middle-ground in that mix is probably $9.5m.
But while this is speculation I think that Mitch was never truly happy in Matthews’ shadow. There were comments by his father or his agent which were direct shots at Matthews and either subtly, or not so much, throwing shade on the team’s franchise player. He said he was already done 2 years ago. If you make $11m and don’t accept the criticism that comes with your failures, you are the problem. For all that Matthews has not excelled in games 5-7 either, he was worn that mantle of failure and accepted it – he doesn’t get bombastic with the media or run away or check out and want to leave. He does get to hold the excuse that he was playing injured all season – and any of us who watched it could see it clear as day from game 1 against Montreal throughout the season that he wasn’t right.
That said, if he doesn’t manage to stay healthy enough to step up and lead by example, this will a wasted rebuild.
I’ve said before that the team will miss Marner – and they will – but you’re bitching about something Shanahan fucked them on over a year ago. Like it or not, Mitch was on the way out and he knew it – and he told the Leafs about it, apparently. At this point they need to balance the roster with a better mix of toughness to support the skilled guys. If the team itself is harder to play against they probably don’t miss Mitch’s contributions as much. I’m not saying they’ve done this for the record. I’m not a gigantic fan of their offseason moves so far – or lack thereof – but they are putting themselves in a position where they can.
Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
This statement makes zero sense because this is the biggest loss the Leafs have had since maybe Sittler. You still waiting for Rich Costello to pan out? Did Peter Ihnacak bring the Cup home? That’s a giant L. And you’re the one that’s happy about it, not me. Seems like you’re one of the many that loves it when the Leafs lose which is exactly what they’ll continue to do as they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
You’re a loser dude. You have been for 10 years you’ve been lingering around, laying turds all over every forum you visit. Nobody agrees with you, nobody likes you, you’re a pariah, a troll, and a downer. Sports are fun, it’s entertainment, none of this matters, so lighten up Francis.
Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
This statement makes zero sense because this is the biggest loss the Leafs have had since maybe Sittler. You still waiting for Rich Costello to pan out? Did Peter Ihnacak bring the Cup home? That’s a giant L. And you’re the one that’s happy about it, not me. Seems like you’re one of the many that loves it when the Leafs lose which is exactly what they’ll continue to do as they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
You miss the point about cap hit. If Leafs had paid $14M for Marner, there was no place for improvement elsewhere.
Your claim: Leafs saved cap space by letting go of a two-way 100 point, team leader in career playoff scoring in his prime so they could spend it on better players and/or better areas.
Reality: Vinni Lettieri. Bo Groulx. Travis Boyd. Dakota Mermis. Michael Pezzetta. Steven Lorentz. Nicolas Roy. Matias Maccelli.
They trying to win the Stanley Cup or the Calder Cup?
Unfortunately you and many others miss the point about the cap space. Cap space is irrelevant if there isn’t anybody as good or better to spend it on. Columbus and San Jose has cap space. They can’t do shit with it and they still suck. The Leafs struck out on basically every single major UFA. They signed nobody significant. They got two bullshit wingers in trades. They got a winger who sucks at FOs, has size but doesn’t use it. They got a Finnish Kerfoot who scored 8 goals last year. That’s it. That was their BIG UFA UPGRADE CAP SPACE SPENDING EXTRAVAGANZA.
There was no Bennett. There was no Marchand. There was no Ekblad. There was no Boeser (he sucked balls anyway). There wasn’t a single player added who can bring the Leafs back to Game 7 vs. the Panthers, much less beat them. Nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip.
9 years of this kind of participation is enough to make a move.
So Rielly gets a free pass? Tavares free pass? Nylander free pass? Matthews free pass? Funny because Marner has more career playoff points than all of them, including Tavares despite being 7 years younger than him. Wasn’t Tavares supposed to be the guy who got the Leafs over the hump? But instead he sucked in the playoffs, destroyed the cap and they still brought him back? We need 4 more years of that because he’ll play old, shitty defense and disappear against Florida for half the price? Is that how the Cup is won now? Have worse players who lose you games at lower cap hits?
Marner was the only one of the young core that didn’t have a contract….hence, he was expendable.
Incorrect again. Expendable means garbage players who you can afford to lose because they can be replaced or improved upon. As I already proved to you earlier, they did not replace or improve jack shit. All the Leafs quantifiably worst players are all still on the team. Kampf is still here. So is Jarnkrok. So is a lot of other garbage. There has been no actual improvement. This is a prime example of retarded asset management. Nylander gets the Leafs the biggest return. Tavares is the biggest addition by subtraction. Rielly is the next biggest. Marner had more success vs. the Panthers than all of them, but he’s the one that you deem expendable? That’s just retarded.
They could have let old ass Tavares and his defensive liabilities take a hike after he sucked balls vs. Florida after 7 years of overpayment and underdelivering. Zero accountability on that front. Rielly could have been traded to create more cap space too. Nylander could have been traded although the Leafs could still have managed to keep both him and Marner had they removed other, far less useful, less valuable players. I think they kept Johnny Pajamas just to try and win the PR battle and no surprise, a lot of the sheep fans are buying it.
Letting Marner leave wasn’t about who was expendable. It was about management being so incompetent they took the path of least resistance rather than doing what actually needed to be done to improve the team. Knies got paid but he won’t be as good as he could be without Marner. Same goes for Matthews. Same goes for the PP. Same goes for the PK. Same goes for the entire team. The Leafs got worse but they’re winning the PR battle so can keep selling hopeium and copeium instead of an actual chance to win a Cup.
Their only 0.01% chance of a prayer is McDavid and if he knows what’s good for him, he’ll go to Vegas too before coming to this shit show franchise.
I do love how the Leafs management, media and fans ran a guy out of town because he “disappeared in the playoffs”, despite having more career playoff points than everybody on the team, but they’re going to bring in a guy with 3 playoff goals in 45 career playoff games and pretend it’s a good move.
So dismal was Roslovic in the playoffs even the Carolina Hurricanes, the ultimate work by committee team, threw him to the curb to replace him with Ehlers at double the price, another player with playoff numbers that scream meh.
Roslovic is more of the same garbage that guarantees the Leafs will not succeed in the playoffs.
Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ. You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
You’re not a leafs fan, you’re a Canadian players fan.
Even as a Londoner I was happy to see him leave the Knights, Altho I found it a bit unfortunate it was to the leafs, I just hoped he’d grow up, he didn’t. Just stayed the wimpy defensively decent passer.
The leafs already have those two named Kampf and Jarnkrok, problem is they don’t score.
The leafs need 40P guys for the bottom end and 4-5 PK forwards, not 6-7.
Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
You miss the point about cap hit. If Leafs had paid $14M for Marner, there was no place for improvement elsewhere. 9 years of this kind of participation is enough to make a move. Marner was the only one of the young core that didn’t have a contract….hence, he was expendable.
The leafs already have those two named Kampf and Jarnkrok, problem is they don’t score.
The leafs need 40P guys for the bottom end and 4-5 PK forwards, not 6-7.
Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
