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Ok, back to hockey talk…
Lets say we end up out of the top 2 spots, which I feel is looking more and more likely… Who do we like in the draft?
If we end up 3rd, do we draft Verhoeff? Do we trade back and ask a kings ransom for a potential franchise RHD?
Beyond that, Ive heard management really like Smits.
I really like going for Malhotra and feel like this would be the best choice for us if hes here. I feel like wingers can be found, but franchise centers are not so easy and we have nothing in the pipeline at C.
Belchetz we’ve talked a bit about, I like him, would be cool to unite Greentree with his teammate here. I wonder if he drops in the draft because of the clavicle injury. That could be a real tactical move if he drops back a few spots.
LAF right now has 17 points in his last 20 games, since January. Hes definitely opened his game up a bit. Schneider has also looked better. They are still trade assets. as is Trocheck. Sure we need help in a variety of ways, but we do have tradeable assets as well as a lot of cap space. Thats why I say its not over yet, we will see what he does this off-season. I remain incredibly unhappy with how we got here, but these are the cards we’ve been dealt and we have no choice but to watch it all unfold.
Kreider was a blunder.
Trouba, look it was a bad trade, but there were days, weeks where people wanted him off the team, were willing to trade him for a bag of pucks… then he gets traded for a bag of pucks and people arent happy.
Same with Goodrow, people wanted him off the team. Said his cap hit was too high to justify his place in the lineup. However the way this was handled set of a chain reaction of really horribly managed moves.I was thinking about this whole RFA thing, and thought about how the whole Marner thing went down last off-season. Maybe Drury has something up his sleeve.
First move. What if we trade a cost controlled, low AAV 2C to Vegas, who needs all the help they can get to stay under the cap for Dorofeyev? Straight up. Hes due a massive raise, one that the Knights cant afford. Trocheck <> Dorofeyev
Second move. Trading Panarin to the Stars for Robo made no sense for Dallas. However, what if we trade Greentree to Dallas for Robo? Dallas has some cap space, but can they afford to pay another guy 14 million? Thats pretty much all the cap space they have for next year.
So now, when you look at the overall situation. Rather than trading Trocheck for a 1st, 3rd and a prospect, we get Dorofeyev, a 30+ goal scorer. Despite the controversy surrounding the initial return, the end game turns Panarin > Greentree > Robo. Another 30+ goal scorer.
Just messing with an idea.
This is inline with a TJ trade idea. Would you do those trade if it was reversed? Nobody in the world would trade a bonafide star for a prospect. There will be so much more needed there. Why would Vegas trade a 25yo 30+ goal scorer for a 33yo 50 point player? Trocheck was never a second line center, he is a 3rd line center. Vegas always finds a way. to make it work.
Drury has nothing up his sleeve nor in his head.
Where is Vegas going to find 11m per year to pay Dorofeyev?
Didnt Vegas get at 100+ pt player in Marner for a 3C in Nicholas Roy? How is this any different? Id argue Trocheck is a far better player than Roy.
Kreider would on pace for 57 pts and 31 goals this season if he played a full 82 games. The fact Drury traded that for a 3rd round pick is absolutely insane. The more I think about the position he’s put this franchise in the more aggravated I get he still has a job. And even firing him, the damage is done. He has destroyed this team for years to come.
What he does this off-season will determine whether he really has destroyed it. Hes gonna have a very high draft pick and some solid assets to work with.
As far as Kreider goes, despite the fact that Ive always been a bit of a Kreider hater, the fact that there was no market for Kreider and he settled for what he got was definitely a massive blunder. Again, this stemmed off of him opening his mouth about changes and all.
I was thinking about this whole RFA thing, and thought about how the whole Marner thing went down last off-season. Maybe Drury has something up his sleeve.
First move. What if we trade a cost controlled, low AAV 2C to Vegas, who needs all the help they can get to stay under the cap for Dorofeyev? Straight up. Hes due a massive raise, one that the Knights cant afford. Trocheck <> Dorofeyev
Second move. Trading Panarin to the Stars for Robo made no sense for Dallas. However, what if we trade Greentree to Dallas for Robo? Dallas has some cap space, but can they afford to pay another guy 14 million? Thats pretty much all the cap space they have for next year.
So now, when you look at the overall situation. Rather than trading Trocheck for a 1st, 3rd and a prospect, we get Dorofeyev, a 30+ goal scorer. Despite the controversy surrounding the initial return, the end game turns Panarin > Greentree > Robo. Another 30+ goal scorer.
Just messing with an idea.
Gonchars nephew having quite a year in OHL. Needs to put on like 25 lbs though.
Anyone been following Fortescue and Emery? They had a little bit of hype behind them, hows that looking?
Been checking out all these unsigned prospects. The Wolfpack might be getting a serious influx of kids next year. Greentree, Lamb, Fortescue, Aspinal, maybe Gonchar, maybe Battaglia, possibly whoever we draft this year with our 1st round picks.
I talked about Belchetz about a month ago, I’d love to get that kid
Gonna be quite the dilemma if they have to decide between Malhotra or Belchetz. We really have nothing in the pipeline center wise.
On another note, was thinking about this, lets say we end up with the 3rd or 4th pick, I would consider trading back a few picks. Belchetz looked like a stud before the clavicle injury, to unite him (6’5, 225) and his teammate Greentree (6’3, 215) on the Rangers could be real interesting.
This is where I disagree with you. You cant go out an announce you are trading a player, hold him out of the line up and not trade him. Drury did this before and it back fired. It affects the player and it could possibly affect the room, the room is still probably toxic and he is just encourages more toxicity.
Second off, either Drury is over valuing Trocheck or other GMs think they can fleece him, which is bad on both fronts. If other teams think Drury is an idiot, which Im sure most do, then there are other player and options out there, Trocheck isnt the only player that has to be traded. If Drury thinks Trocheck is worth more then thats a bigger problem because he will never get traded.
As for stock piling picks, who cares about 3rd to 7th rounders. The chances of them making an impact are less that 20 or so percent. You need 1st and second rounders and you need to develop them, which the Rangers cant.
Dude, you know how I feel about the developmental side of things. Ive been driving that wagon to fire Ortmeyer and Glass for years.
As far as Trocheck goes, I think hes a gamer, I dont think this will affect him. His kids will be so excited that hes staying in NY for now that I think this will be just fine. I put this in my previous post but it was more of a response to you.
Was Drury over valuing Trocheck? Schenn is older and not as good as Trocheck at this point and got a 1st, 3rd, Drouin (who is a cap dump, is ass and always injured), and an unsigned prospect. Youre telling me that Trocheck isnt worth a 1st and Yurov? Lets look at Kadri… 1st, 2nd, Olofsson (zero valuAe addon, just for cap purposes), a prospect (Curran, unsigned good year in WHL but that doesnt mean much), 20% retained on remaining contract. Again, nothing major in this trade. Would you have taken that package from Avs, sans the retention? I dont think Drury was overvaluing Trocheck, I just think he didnt want a whole bunch of quantity/projects added on to the 1st rd pick.
Aecliptic. I don’t disagree about not trading him if the right deal wasn’t in place. But you don’t go announce to the league you’re going to trade him, hold him out of the lineup, and then not trade him. You don’t send a letter out saying you’re retooling, and your retool consists of (3) 3rd round picks, (1) 6th round pick and a prospect.
I’m opposed to trading Schneider, and don’t like we traded Othmann. He trades for these bums, Borgen, Uro, Parsenin etc, his value of players is then worst in the league. He needs to be gone. Based on how he values players, he probably had a home run package and turned it down bc of how he views players based on past trades. Blais, Brisson, the list goes on and on.
This is where the last part of my post hits on the fact that sending the letter was a massive blunder, and I said it 2 years ago when all the Trouba stuff started going public. Then you got the stuff with Goodrow. Then you got the media harassing Mika if he’d waive his NMC. Now we have the letter, Panarin and Trocheck. His first year as GM, he was so tight lipped and actually made a couple good moves and we got into the ECF. However, I think this quick success went to his head cause hes become a real idiot with how hes conducting himself.
Despite all that, Im not mad at how the deadline went. As far as Trocheck goes, I think hes a gamer, I dont think this will affect him. His kids will be so excited that hes staying in NY for now that I think this will be just fine.
I think Drury thinks he can do better in the off-season. The way thinks are looking on the west coast is very very interesting. Its looking pretty much a lock that the Wild and Stars will play each other in the first round. Both teams have players of interest for the Rangers. Stars get bumped in the first round, questions start circling around Robo. Wild get booted in the first round, questions start circling if theyll ever be good enough to be anything more than an early exit playoff team and that will affect Hughes decision to stay or go. Dorofeyev is a RFA, with how cap strapped Vegas always is, he might be available. The East is wide open I feel, and if Carolina cant make it to the ECF then they need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Wings and Sabres will find out where they stand on a playoff level.
Thats how I feel about it, and I dont think it will affect Trocheck’s value. Trocheck is still under contract for 3 more years after this on one of the sexiest AAV’s for what he can provide.
Schneider, I think the fans blew that up far more than anything. I dont think Drury made any serious indication that he would trade him, I think Fans just assumed he would be part of the retool because he might fetch something significant. He might have been listening to offers, but unless it was significant he had no intention of moving him.
Which is the route Drury should have taken in general instead of sending that dumb letter. “I like the core of players we have, I think its a solid foundation to build on next year, of course if someone calls with an offer to blow me away Id listen. Despite the rough year, we’ve dealt with significant injuries to key players that have attributed to that. I whole heartedly believe we are better than the standings show.” Should have been the most ambiguous response ever.
Generally speaking now, as far as Raddysh, whats the point in trading a proven depth player for a 4th rounder? Doesnt do anything for us. Same goes for Brodz and Vaak, etc…
I understand that people are mad about the Trocheck situation, but personally, Im not bothered by it. Would ya’ll would have been happy with a mediocre return as long as a 1st was attached to it? Nope. You guys would have complained about the return regardless of what it was. The way I see it, Drury was not going to trade Trocheck unless a legit player was coming back to NY… ie Yurov, Kasper, Nikishin (maybe Nadeau), Lohrei/Poitras… but no one was willing to part with them.
My theory on the Carrick situation is two fold. Drury knew Guerin wanted Trocheck, but also wanted a depth C. So he tried to use Carrick to leverage Guerin to trade Yurov, he didnt want the additional 2nd in 2028 and still get a mediocre return for Trocheck. So Guerin traded for McCarron and said hey, we dont need Carrick anymore, deal is still as it stands.
People say Trochecks value is at its highest now, but apparently no one was willing to pony up. However, I dont think Trocheck’s value will take much of a hit. Matter of fact, he still becomes a useful trade piece for us in the offseason if lets say we try to pull the rights to Robo or Dorofeyev. People are getting way too dramatic about this.
The Carrick trade on its own, I think Drury was given a choice of either a 2nd round pick in 2029 or a 3rd round pick in 2026, and with the depth this draft is supposed to have, he wanted the pick now.
As far as Schneider goes, what are we going to get in return for Schneider that would be better for us next year? We retain his rights and could potentially trade him at the draft.
What I got from this, Drury isnt interested in getting prospects and potential. He wants young players he can plug in immediately. Im not mad about it.
Was the letter necessary? Absolutely not. That was a huge fumble. However Im only looking at this from a phone booth sized sample of just this last month. Doesnt change my opinion on everything else.
People need to chill out though, I dont think this deadline was as bad as people make it out to be.
Roy got a 1st. Insane how bad Drury is at trading
So what youre saying is you would have been happy with a 1st round pick for Trocheck?
Regarding Panarin.. we all know he totally misread the room which Drury is apt to do. Like I mentioned prior yeah Panarin had the Rangers over a barrel with the NMC.. only wanting to go to LA etc. Didn’t stop the Flyers from receiving a first and 3rd and Owen Tippet for Giroux. He had the sane parameter in the deal only wanting to go Florida and was a UFA. That is what the return should have been. But then announcing to the league that Panarin is available and we are not resigning him took all the leverage away.
Drury sat Panarin which made the situation untenable. Having to get rid him for 10 cents on the dollar. Not having a second round pick and not demanding a second rounder in return from LA just shows how clueless this guy is with asset management.
As for The K’Andre deal..You’re getting a pick at the end of the first rd and Morrow really struggles in his own end as you mentioned ( He’s young so hopefully he will improve, time will tell)
Waiting for Rangers trades with this guy at the helm is torture.
Trocheck, Schneider , Carrick maybe JBrodz should definitely be dealt ..but it’s scary thinking of the return?
Btw non Ranger related ..How did the Pens get Girard and 2nd rounder for Brett Kulak? Seemed like that should have been an even up deal.
See how it easy it is to get second rd picks? But Panarin couldn’t fetch one..lolIn regards to Giroux vs. Panarin… Ill use the Knights vs. Kraken analogy for this. Because it wasnt necessarily a common move, when Giroux got traded, I think the thought process initially was well we have to give proper value despite the clause, right? As was with the Knights, teams werent quite sure how to approach expansion and the Knights absolutely poached everyone and so when it was time for the Kraken, GMs were prepared and that didnt happen again. And so… when Panarin came around, GM didnt feel entitled to give any more than Greentree and a couple of mid-late picks. If Holland says “thats the offer, take it or leave it”, what are you gonna do? Threaten to not trade Panarin and let him walk for nothing? That would have made you a lot happier right? That Drury stood his ground..!? PS: Go watch highlights of Greentree from this season.
Does it matter that its a late 2026 1st round pick? These 2026 1st round picks are very valuable, plus we also got their 2026 2nd as well. With how badly teams are trying to acquire RHD, Id try to dangle Morrow and see if we could get another 2nd round pick for him.
But Ill be honest, we dont trade Trocheck, I wont be disappointed about it. I would rather keep him than trade him for the sake of trading him.
Schneider, with these RHD trades, could pull a 1st round pick. I doubt it. But I could see a 2nd, a 3rd and a prospect.
If McCarron can pull a 2nd round pick, theres absolutely no reason why Carrick shouldnt… and I said this before, everyone laughed, that ya’ll would be surprised what these bottom 6 glue guy centers can pull.
