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nyrangers9479 wrote:

That’s another huge issue I have with Drury. He’s f’ing horrific on his returns in all these trades. Not a single player in return on Kreider Trouba KK Goodrow that has helped improve our team. Borgen is a plug, and the Trouba/Kreider returns we got absolutely nothing for bc he announced to the league he hated them and wanted them gone. wtf did u think the return would be after the way he handled that????? MORON.

Well, Ill give him his flowers for the KAndre trade. The return was pretty much along the lines of what everyone wanted to get. If Morrow can develop more defensively, with his already good offensive upside, we might have something good here on top of the picks.

Borgen, I wouldnt call a plug anymore. Offensively hes irrelevant, but defensively hes been fine. Kakko hasnt done anything more in Seattle than what he did in NY.

I feel like we’ve been getting fleeced by Anaheim since 2022, little by little, they seem to be acquiring our 2021 ECF squad at little to no cost. Strome and Vatrano in FA. Kreider and Trouba for pretty much nothing.

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Regarding Carrick, I think he could be a very valuable piece for a contending team. A 2nd round pick would surprise me, but I think it’s fair/reasonable. But a 3rd and 4th is also a possibility or maybe a B level prospect.

I want someone to overpay for Carrick the same way we overpaid for… Reilly Smith.

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slimtj wrote:

Still Perrault was a first rder wasn’t he?

I’m not trying to be a dyck. Jesus. There just has to be something else to talk about then bashing Drury all day wanting him fired. You guys have made your pts a zillion times by now, I’ve made mine. The org is moving on from players and we all have to accept it.

I want you to answer this honestly. If Sheary doesnt get hurt, do you honestly think that Perreault is getting all this time?

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Also… as far as 2019 and 2020 goes, it doesnt matter who was GM, Kakko and LAF would get picked no matter who was there.

Problem is development as I keep saying on repeat.

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slimtj wrote:

Gorton or Drurys? Because one of Drurys is on our first line isn’t he?. So much for giving them time, sheesh. But obviously anything they do will not work out

…and yet again, did I say I blame Drury? Ive been saying Ortmeyer and Glass need to go. But that conveniently gets ignored all the time because youre obsessively trying to defend Drury.

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slimtj wrote:

Idk why you guys are mad at me for him not getting fired lol what will yo say when he has 5 first rders the next two years 👀

Anyway. I saw Drury wanted Kasper from Detroit. In a deal for Panarin

Nothing. How have our 1st rounders to this point worked out?

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slimtj wrote:

Carrick is someone who could get a surprising return. He’s a very cheap worthwhile 4C for a contender

Idk if he’s on the chopping block tho

I wouldnt trade him unless someone overpaid

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nyrangers9479 wrote:

Panarin to LAK for Greentree and a 2nd

Laf to SEA for Wright

Trocheck 50% retained to DET for Danielson and a 1st

Soucy for a 3rd

Jbrod for a 5th/6th

Raddysh for a 6th

Carrick for a 2nd/3rd

Kings trade I think is good.

Wright makes sense for both teams.

I doubt Detroit trades Danielson. I think were more likely to make this trade with the Wild.

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slimtj wrote:

If you think about it, without hate glasses on, he hasn’t really “built” a team. He took over a pretty good team that Gorton put together, bought to make it better and get over the hump. It didn’t. Fault lies in a lot of places, Drury some of it yea, but it’s not only person. The picks made post letter the last time basically all shit the bed. Drury had nothing to do with that. That was all Gorton and gord Clark scouting. Since then it’s a been tear down process obviously, and that where you guys get pissed. And I get it. But he realized they weren’t good enough therefore they needed tear it down. You guys just won’t accept that fate.

Let him build a team with his vision and see what happens. That’s when he will get fired, if this retool/rebuild doesn’t succeed. But it isn’t happening overnight, it’s really that simple

I never said that those picks were Drury’s fault. This is why I keep saying they need to fire Ortmeyer and Glass because they oversee the development of these players.

You say that were mad about the tear down process? No were not mad about the tear down, were mad at how its being handled. Trading for Miller, giving up what could have been a top 10 pick, adding another non-movable 8m contract and making him captain, was not the move to make.

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slimtj wrote:

They really should trade at the very least

-Panarin (I’d still try and re-sign him because we have plenty of cap space)
-Trocheck
-Soucy
-Carrick
-Schneider
For something decent

-JBrod
-Raddysh
-Vaaks

For whatever

It wouldn’t surprise me to see them trade Cuylle in a package for either Robertson or Dorofeyev. Maybe Laf but I’d think teams would rather have Cuylle. Two legit goal scorers who may be priced out of their current teams. I know Vegas, according to puck pedia, has only 4 million in cap space

This is what he means by strategic imo. Take advantage of cap strapped teams

Based on the way that Drury has treated his players recently, what makes you think that these players even want to come to NY? A volatile coaching situation that no coach has made it past 2 years. Given the toxic history that JT has around him, and now hes the captain of this team, why would players of that ilk want to be here?

You want to retool, fine. Start fresh. Fire Drury, Ortmeyer and Glass. Trade Panarin and Soucy, Raddysh, Vaks, etc… Schneider, I dont know but hes not as untouchable as he once was (Id want to keep Trocheck and Carrick, but if someone overpays, bye)… Id try not to trade Cuylle.

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This team with Miller wearing the C will not win a cup, that much seems quite clear.

All teams suffer injuries, they battle through it.

I wouldnt trade Othmann either.

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Getting rid of Mika and Miller would be a pipedream. It also seems like firing Drury, Ortmeyer and Glass is a pipedream as well. This is going to be a bad team, and unfortunately its going to be a bad kind of bad. Im ok with being a bad team with a vision and guidance. However this is going to be a screwed up bad team. Cause lord knows, they cant develop players and nearly every move Drury has made has been the wrong move.

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nyrangers9479 wrote:

I agree with you, but Dolan isn’t doing it for some reason.

There was a point when they brought back JD and let him and Gorton run the organization that we really thought that we might be at a place where things will turn around. Then full stop, because my understanding is JD and Dolan didnt see eye to eye as far as how they wanted to approach the next step with the team that Dolan fired JD and is lapdog Drury took over. Its been this mixed bag of results with the team that JD started putting together, and the crap that Drury has orchestrated to follow. The crazy thing is it started off good. Not everyone agrees with the way the team approached the retool, but you cant say that first run to the ECF didnt give you a little bit of optimism. However everything that followed that just made you hold your head and just shake your head no.

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nyrangers9479 wrote:

Washington apparently interested in Panarin.

Ilya Protas, 1st and a 2nd and he’s all theirs.

The problem with all of this is it only works if they fire Drury, as well as the entire developmental staff. He cant be the one making the decisions anymore. What has this organization done with prospects and draft picks over the last 7 years that makes them feel confident that things will suddenly change?

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After what CGY just got from VGK for Andersson, Rangers should be able to get a nice haul for Bread (50% retained) and Trocheck.

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