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Can anyone tell me what they see in Schneider? If a team is willing to overpay for him you take it
Im with you here, key word is overpay. For example, trading Schneider to the Sharks for EDM’s 1st round pick. Other options being if the Sharks want to send Musty or Bystedt for Schneider, I think those are solid options too.
Posted this in the other thread…
Lets revisit 2 trades…
Brock Nelson, locked up NTC (no team submission), netted the Isles Calum Ritchie, Oliver Kylington, a conditional 1st and a conditional 3rd.
Claude Giroux, NMC (Florida was his choice and it wasnt a secret) the Flyers got Owen Tippett, a 1st and a 3rd. Heck, the Panthers didnt even intend on resigning Giroux, they gave that up for a straight up rental.Panarin is essentially the same age as those 2 when the trades occurred, and theres no debate that hes the better player between the 2.
So to not get, at the very least, a conditional 1st of some sort (or a conditional 2nd that could be a 1st) and a 3rd as the kicker to Greentree is not good.
What Drury should do with the vacated cap… assuming Trocheck, Schneider, Raddysh, Carrick are moved… is he should monetize it by taking other teams bad contracts, for example, get MTL to pay a 2nd to take on Laine. Get EDM to give us something to take on Mangiapane. Maybe Tampa wants to unload Bjorkstrand. This is where we should be.
What Drury does with the vacated cap is also a factor. I want JRob. JRob, Greentree, cond 3rd for Panarin (and whatever is needed to acquire Robertson) is easier to digest.
JRob will most likely be an off-season move for Dallas.
What Drury should do with the vacated cap… assuming Trocheck, Schneider, Raddysh, Carrick are moved… is he should monetize it by taking other teams bad contracts, for example, get MTL to pay a 2nd to take on Laine. Get EDM to give us something to take on Mangiapane. Maybe Tampa wants to unload Bjorkstrand. This is where we should be.
Lets revisit 2 trades…
Brock Nelson, locked up NTC (no team submission), netted the Isles Calum Ritchie, Oliver Kylington, a conditional 1st and a conditional 3rd.
Claude Giroux, NMC (Florida was his choice and it wasnt a secret) the Flyers got Owen Tippett, a 1st and a 3rd. Heck, the Panthers didnt even intend on resigning Giroux, they gave that up for a straight up rental.Panarin is essentially the same age as those 2 when the trades occurred, and theres no debate that hes the better player between the 2.
So to not get, at the very least, a conditional 1st of some sort (or a conditional 2nd that could be a 1st) and a 3rd as the kicker to Greentree is not good.
Lets revisit 2 trades…
Brock Nelson, locked up NTC (no team submission), netted the Isles Calum Ritchie, Oliver Kylington, a conditional 1st and a conditional 3rd.
Claude Giroux, NMC (Florida was his choice and it wasnt a secret) the Flyers got Owen Tippett, a 1st and a 3rd. Heck, the Panthers didnt even intend on resigning Giroux, they gave that up for a straight up rental.Panarin is essentially the same age as those 2 when the trades occurred, and theres no debate that hes the better player between the 2.
So to not get, at the very least, a conditional 1st of some sort (or a conditional 2nd that could be a 1st) and a 3rd as the kicker to Greentree is not good.
You guys are the kings of picking and choosing 🤣
Imagine for one second that we didn’t trade Buchnevich, and signed him to the deal the blues did..and he had 11 goals right now. Would that be going over well? I mean we tear Zib apart and it was the exact same thing, post contract hasn’t aged very well. And Blais tore is knee up, Drury obviously didn’t plan on that. He wasn’t the same after that. He barley got a real look until that happen anyway. Again Buch was overrated imo too, and he wast treated like an all star at the time of the trade. He was a decent player nothing spectacular
I’m with you, they could fire the scouting guys for all I care. But also, most of the picks Drury has made are at least incomplete. Need time to evaluate that. Othmann hasn’t looked great is fair. But Laba was Drury pick in rd 5 I think? Maybe 4th. He’s been a solid contributor.
I’m just saying you guys jump all over everything with him, selling is different than buying. Give him a freakin chance. So far so good imo. Soucy trade was a wash and Greentree is a first rder for a guy who picked where he wanted to go.
Its not so much that he traded Buch, he traded a guy coming off a near point per game season for nothing. Thats the problem.
You gotta figure other teams were calling, but Drury was fixated on Blais. Lets look at that small sample size before the injury, 19 games, Blais was a bottom 6 player averaging 13 minutes a game. They traded a RW1 playing over 18 min a game, for a bottom 6 depth player who played LW of all positions. At a time when we had Panarin, Kreider and had just drafted LAF. Still to this day, since that trade, theyre trying to find a RW1.
Aec….This place in a nut shell
Kakko and Buch who we never shut up about no longer having
Combined: 19 goals in 95 games
Zibanejad, who we collectively loathe is still on the team
23 goals in 55 games
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Its convenient to pick and choose your numbers when it comes to Buch. How about looking at the entire body of work since being traded? 114 goals, 296 points in 348 games for STL.
Sammy Blais since being traded from STL. 17 total points.
Kakko I dont care, I knew he wouldnt be any better than he was in NY. I was as vocal as anyone to get rid of Kakko and to stop obsessing that he was the 2nd overall pick, werent gonna get that kind of value.
But dude, with everything in my heart, if they do this all the way… they need to fire Ortmeyer and Glass. At the very least, if they do that, it would show me that atleast they recognize that the player development department is a problem.
Gonna try to be as calm as possible. You guys are ridiculous as always. Maybe Rick has it fairly.
If anything he’s making up for bad PR, with the players, by doing Panarin a solid this time. Sending him to where he wanted to go, obviously no one believes this because it’s convenient not to believe it. I mean for two years you’ve killed the guy for the bad PR, this time he does the player a favor, and you still aren’t happy 🤣 you’re impossible to please
He gets the guy one guy here droooooools over every single day, in Greentree. What was a greentree? A friggin first rd pick!! And he still cant live with the return. The other piece is a guaranteed 3rd rder, potentially a second rder (series win). All for a guy who forced his way to a single team. It’s almost Houdini act that he got what he did, or genius like you could say .
For the love god most of you need to root for a new team. You’re the disgrace to this org, like 90% of this fanbase. Or suck it up because he isn’t going anywhere. If you had some god damn patience, and let him cook and watch him build a different team, you’ll be apologizing to me and him in time
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😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆Why do we have to settle for whatever Drury does because he runs the organization?
I like that we got Greentree, I dont like the add-ons. I think the way this was all handled, something was left on the table. Sure Panarin has a NMC and controls the situation, but if you dont make this a spectacle by announcing it, and then putting Bread in the press box maybe he could have done better than a 3rd round pick as a kicker.
My opinion is if he doesnt send the letter, keeps it in house, calls the GMs of the teams Panarin would agree to go to and said I want this done in 72 hrs it could have been better.
So Drury now wants to play peacekeeper with the players by making Panarin happy? Why?
tj, we get it, in your eyes, Drury can do no wrong as long as hes the GM of the NY Rangers because you will happily deal with whatever he does because you have no control over it. If he had gotten a turd on a stick for Panarin, youd sit here and legitimize how a turd on a stick is fair value for Panarin. Then close out your post with your usual saying… deal with it, Drury isnt getting fired.
Is your issue now that it didn’t happen sooner or it could have been a better return
My issue is…
1. Save the letter for after the deadline. Dont announce to the world your plans. Do what you gotta do, and address it later.
2. Announcing that Panarin is available for trade, allowing it to marinade for like 3 weeks. Again, if he had just shut his mouth and handled business in house and got it done right away, the return probably would have been better.He only wanted LA…
Do we know this as a fact? If he only wanted LA, why did it take this long to make this sad trade?
There’s a compounding effect here that’s hard to ignore. Having screwed up so badly last year with the players has forced Drury to over correct. He probably gave Panarin too much leverage, which backed him into a corner with one team. I’m not buying that, at the onset of all this, Panarin said “only the Kings.” If there were other options, Drury had leverage.
I like the prospects for Greentree, but you can’t trade one of the best offensive threats for basically just a good/maybe very good prospect. Does anyone know if he was LA’s best trade chip?
The pattern of Drury getting underwhelming trades is pretty brutal and will likely keep the org on the same path we’ve been on for 32 years.
Greentree was definitely their #1 prospect that wasnt already playing on the Kings.
I believe the thing that killed Drury in this trade is time.
Had he not gone viral globally that he was trading Panarin, yet rather sat down with Bread and his agent, asked them what their ideal destinations were, had not benched him and had him off the team in 72 hours… I think the return would have been closer to was we would have wanted. But instead he gave the GMs time, and in that time one clever GM realized what he could do to position himself ahead of everyone else. Then it went from 4… maybe 5 interested teams, to 1… and any leverage Drury may have had to get a better deal was gone.
No question his options were limited but he did have options. Plus he ceded all the control to Panarin and his agent, who had most of it anyway due to the NMC and NTC.
I think ultimately the cherry on top is Holland had a contract ready to go with a number that majority of the teams interested couldnt match. Holland knew this and eliminated all the competition.
I think the problem with the notion that Drury’s hands were tied is that deadline rentals with limited options fetch double what we got.
