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Sorry tried to post an embedded You Tube link and the site doesn’t seem to like that?
Here is a normal link to it: https://youtu.be/ONGLEUUesN0?si=smZ5lMn94BTod8NR
Jays playoffs > leafs whatever nonsense they do before the regular season
Absolutely! Jays playoffs games are a great atmosphere, I’ve been lucky enough to have gone to a few games but this one (although technically not a playoff game, it was a play in wild card game) was amazing to be in the park and see live.
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Ticket prices are insane, I think I may just use the $ I usually use to hit some Leafs games and go to some jays playoff games or maybe go see the Leafs on the road.
Also to those who can’t help themselves and have to make sure they insert some political narrative into their reply to show everyone how smart they are kindly take that bullshit somewhere else. This comment is directed at both the people who think they need to comment about the right and the left by the way, I have zero interest in reading any of it on a hockey site.
favorites both regular season and playoffs. Their team is basically the same. The only reason they won’t threepeat is if Bob acts his age or if they get ravaged by injuries.
Tampa Bay still has Hedman, Kucherov, Point, Guentzel, Hagel and Vasilevskiy so with th
That’s an overpay by the Leafs in my eyes – I’d pass on that deal.
IF Joshua works out I share your thoughts that this proposed lineup should be more trustworthy than last few seasons. They need scoring from the back end (more – like they had in round 1 this year although that level may not be sustainable or achievable again) and of course secondary scoring as always.
Thanks for the only response Cushie <thumbsup>
Lol all good. It’s the dog days of summer well past the TDL and the Jays are rocking and rollin’ so the Leaf chatter is pretty low priority for many.
Cheers!????
I may have missed it but I know it’s been asked by a few folks – are there plans to incorporate direct messages / pm’s into this site to allow folks to talk to other users without cluttering up discussions?
IF Joshua works out I share your thoughts that this proposed lineup should be more trustworthy than last few seasons. They need scoring from the back end (more – like they had in round 1 this year although that level may not be sustainable or achievable again) and of course secondary scoring as always.
yes AA, think of the children
I’m sure he “thinks” about them a lot
Now, Now Mitch Marner is a big boy now!
He has his big boy pants on and moved his family to Las Vegas because the big meanies in the media and the fanbase in Toronto was just so cruel and mean to him.
He has always had the big ass stupid hat though.
Turns out none of the players involved in this were actually suspended at all, I found a CBC article where in Feb Bettman said the league didn’t need to suspend as the players were all on leave from their teams and were free agents after this year. The article also stated that the players were all being paid while on this leave. I had no idea.
I also read a TSN article that the NHL has said the 5 players are ineligible to play while the league reviews the findings from the court case. That being said and as in the TSN article the NHL has allowed players to play in this same situation before – Jake Virtanen in 2022 was allowed to sign a PTO with the Oilers less than 2 months after his sexual assault court case where he was found not guilty. He didn’t make the Oilers and went back to Europe but that’s a bit irrelevant.
I think these 5 will be allowed to play it’s just a matter of when and if any team wants them. It very well may take longer than it did with Virtanen since it’s 5 players vs 1 and this situation received far more attention than the Virtanen one did.
This board doesn’t like (won’t let me) post the links to the 2 articles that I read and am talking about above for whatever reason I tried a few times.
I’m kinda rambling here, but I think that an underlying theme to this whole trial is that many are uncomfortable with the idea that a young woman could be the sexual aggressor. There’s a disbelief that she could have wanted to have sex with multiple partners in a hotel room.It’s an incredible double standard – would anyone blink if they heard of a 20 year old male who was happy to have sex with multiple female partners – all successful, incredibly fit athletes? – Atomic Wedgie
She agreed to go back to have sex with McLeod. He texted the rest of the group to come up and join in. Most decided to stay away, some decided to come to the room and four of those decided to have sex with her. I don’t think there was any evidence that he invited them up at her request.
The players maintained that she was enthusiastic. The Crown argued that she was drunk and fearful and that any consent was invalid. The judge concluded that the Criwn didn’t meet its burden of proof and they were acquitted.
I’m not sure that she was the sexual aggressor when this players came up to the room with the express purpose of having sex with her. – CC [/quote]
I am guessing that when talking about her being the aggressor he was referring to the testimony of a witness (player that was not charged) that was called by the prosecution who allegedly said something to the effect of (was reported as this being the testimony):
“She went onto the floor and started masturbating and asked guys to come have sex with her,” Steenbergen says. “She said, ‘Can one of you guys come over and f–k me?’”
ose players would have to be suspended no matter who they are. It’s the current standard. I’m guessing the bigger names who magically get that to happen like you’re saying though. I’ve heard the NHLPA have recently started pushing to have the overall suspension dropped though. I kind of wonder that myself, being charged isn’t being found guilty, still, could be a media frenzy though.
I agree it’s the standard – what I don’t know is if it is appropriate (assuming it’s an unpaid suspension) or legal from a contractual perspective. It’s pretty common practice in many organizations / companies etc. that an investigative suspension is a paid one.
Now this has a criminality element to it as the players were charged with a criminal offense so perhaps that makes it different and there is language in the CBA or a contract etc. that says the league/team can suspend them (with or without pay) if a criminal charge is laid against the ’employee’ (player).
It’s the difference between being charged of a criminal offence vs convicted of one that is the crux the the debate in some ways.
Think about say a police officer, if they are charged with an offense they are either moved to an administrative role and continue to work or suspended with pay pending the end result of the court case and/or the determination / ruling from the Police Services board. (Yes police officers being suspended with pay is something that is in itself a hot topic quite often but the concept behind it is sound in that it’s to protect those who are wrongfully accused from losing pay due to false complaints made with malice intent etc.).
To that end the NHLPA would be underserving their players by not fighting against any ability to have one of their ‘members’ suspended without pay for being charged with an offence.
One suggested way to try and remedy the issue with police who are allowed to keep being paid after being charged with an offence and until the court cases are heard (sometimes for years) I have read about was to make the individual pay back any and all money they received if they are convicted. If I was arguing for some language to be fair to both the NHLPA and the League/teams that might be the suggestion I make. I mean if a player was charged with an offence and they thought there was a possibility that they may be convicted they would then simply know that they should put aside money they are being paid while going through the court process so they have it to pay back if convicted.
Ok I agree with Azure on this topic, despite it also being the opinion of someone here I have zero respect for and has zero ability to present his opinion in any way other than the most offense way riddled full of insults etc.
The court case has happened, the judge ruled and it’s done. If the NHL decides to try and prevent these players from playing by claiming they breached a morality clause I think they face an issue with the players perhaps coming at the league (if it was a league decision, the teams if it was an individual team decision) for lost wages for the time they were suspended as a start. They will layer in some defamation element and perhaps even some loss of future earning potential all of which would equate to big dollars.
I think the league will simply (quietly and not publicly) tell the players/teams in the league that these guys can be signed / play and it’s up to teams to decide if they want to do so – pushing all of the potential risk of poor public reaction etc. onto teams and avoiding any litigation.
I agree with what you said Dozzer but there is that one sticky point that I’ve read from a few people in difference places and that you have to factor in – who the players were in terms of how big a superstar they are or were. The NHL has proven over and over again big time stars get different treatment and let’s not pretend the media don’t do the same.
If these 5 players had names like Bedard, Matthews etc. in them do the players get suspended right away? Is the outcry to ban them from the league the same?
I personally don’t think so.
If you strip emotion, bias and personal morality out of the equation and simply ask if the players should technically, legally be allowed to resume their careers I think the fairly obvious answer is yes.
The league can say the players broke the morality clause and as I said I think they have to fight that in court but who knows until / unless it happens.
I question if the league/players had the legal right to even suspend but without seeing what the contracts say or the CBA (and I don’t care enough to go research it or even see if it’s public) and the fact the players just took the suspension maybe they have language in there that allows it. IF the suspension is unpaid I would be surprised the NHLPA agreed to it.
What has not been mentioned but I think may pop up soon is the fact that the finding of not guilty does not prevent any civil action that the alleged victim may decide to peruse. Now if she took some settlement from Hockey Canada she may not be able to sue the players or HC but again maybe that settlement only protected HC and she could try to sue individual players – I guess we will see.
The case and charges were criminal, not civil proceedings and they differ greatly in many ways including the need to prove “beyond a reasonably doubt” that something did or did not occur.
aaaanywho
Jays TDL.. I am guessing they add Pitching. A good RP and maybe a Starter.
They still have Varsho Santandar and Giminez on IR to come back.
Guys coming back is almost like adds via trade! lol
They really have strung together an impressive stretch here and it’s clear they believe in themselves and each other which is fantastic.
Sooooo, Carter Hart to the Oilers any second now, right?
It would not shock me to see him land with the Oilers.
