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The Flyers are just going to outwork everyone to the Stanley Cup, talent be damned.
Yes, that’s the answer. Make the Ice Capades fans happy with lots of “puck moving” defensemen and highly skilled, speedy forwards who weigh less than most of the players on the US Women’s National Team. That’s a sure formula for a Cup win.
How about instead working off of a false premise that talent and hard work are mutually exclusive we agree that it takes talent and hard work to win the Stanley Cup?
Connor McDavid may be 6’1″ but he weighs 194, only a few more lbs than Buium and far less than your 200 lb minimum criteria to be on a cup team. Are those 6 lbs why the oilers didn’t win the cup last year? If he was only 5’11 do you not draft him because he’s not 6′ despite his amazing talent?
If you want amazing talent in a 6′ + frame, there’s only one place to get it, the top of the draft, where the Flyers refuse to go.
Barkov never hit UFA. Ekblad never hit UFA, Crosby never hit UFA, McKinnon never hit UFA, and so on and so on. Even Tkatchuk, had to both refuse to sign with the team and another top 5 pick player willing to go to Calgary for the types of players the Flyers do not have. Where do you think the Flyers are going to get these types of Stanley Cup players?
Despite your complaints that the Flyers just need to work harder, that’s exactly what the Flyers have been focusing on the last 3 years. The result :
https://www.nhl.com/news/philadelphia-flyers-relieve-john-tortorella-of-his-duties-as-head-coach
in bold is so comical. yep, not a big talent discrepancy at all.
yeah, maybe I will watch. then I can possibly learn. my guess it will tell me the same thing. flyers are 2000 lightyears away from any point of contention.
that is a truckload of players to move out. flyers can really set themselves up for the future by moving those 2. they have zero interest in moving RR. I hope they re-sign him. shit hope they re-sgin dvorak as well.
The Flyers are just going to outwork everyone to the Stanley Cup, talent be damned. That’s the message Torts and the Flyers have been peddling the last 3 years. It’s crazy how the Flyers and their fans are the only people who know this secret. That’s why they’ve been so successful. Just don’t let the rest of the league know.
::facepalm::
Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.
6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
Worst goaltending in the league mixed with a defense that ranked 29th out of 32 teams, and the only significant additions/changes were Dan Vladar & Noah Juulsen…
Counting on a goalie who’s never played more than 30 games in an NHL season (and will most likely be counted on to play closer to 40 or more than 30) with a career save percentage under .900 combined with a bad defense whose only addition is an AHL/NHL tweener doesn’t seem like much of an improvement plan to me. The old band aid on a severed arm cliche comes to mind.
Just shows how much of the Torts “myth” is a media creation, a Comcast production. They produced the shit out of that playoff run 2 years ago when they didn’t beat a division opponent for 3 months. He makes for good tv, not good hockey.
Not really an enigma. It will be bad. Maybe not as bad as last year but bad. No place to go but up really.
Briere panicing and trying to save the playoff run 2 years ago really backfired with that (relatively) huge contract sitting in the AHL this year.
@ yes its me 2050
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it all plays out. For me they are headed down the right direction, you just have to continually build until you get the right combination of players, that’s a slow process. The Oilers had what, five 1st overall picks and they still haven’t won the Cup. From 2010 to 2015, inclusive, Florida drafted 3rd, 23rd, 2nd, 1st & 11th overall and it still took them eleven years after they drafted Barkov 2nd overall to get the right combo of players and coach. I hope I’m right and you’re wrong. They need to draft a #1 center though, or trade for one. All that being said, this is nowhere near a finished product, they just started.
The Oilers have been in the Stanley Cup final the last 2 years though so they are contenders. They just need to be better at building the rest of their roster to get over the hump. This keeps getting lost as it seems everyone wants instant gratification. Drafting the corner stone player starts the process, it doesn’t finish it. You don’t draft someone and think that the next year you are going to win a Stanley Cup. It will be years after the player is drafted and even then there is no guarantee. It takes sacrifice from the team to be able to draft those players. Do people think the Flyers, in a year or 2, are going to draft a McDavid or Crosby in the 2nd or 3rd round and the Flyers will be good to go? Lol
Also, let’s be clear, DB thought the Flyers roster was on the upswing last year before they pooped the bed. He spent the last 2 years getting rid of players Torts didn’t like and getting players he did before Torts gave him the 2 fingered salute on the way out of town. He’s announced they are done getting rid of players and are now in buy mode. For all those vaunted draft picks and rumors that the Flyers had plenty of ammo to move up to get a franchise player, it was never going to happen. Teams just don’t trade away the shot to get the franchise player who could be a corner stone for 20 years for quantity.
DB doesn’t know how to build a quality team but he’s got one of the best PR firms in the world with Comcast backstopping him. And unlike Fletcher, he’s media friendly so that buys him time. You don’t think he’s going to Fletcher this team and “bias for action” as soon as he has money especially after announcing their in buy mode? They are capped out now and will be capped out next year when DB is done. He may or may not make better choices than Fletcher but one thing is for sure true franchise centers and true franchise defensemen hitting FA are about as rare as top 3 draft picks being traded.
I hope they miss the playoffs for the next three years, and continue to sell off players to acquire picks at the deadline, that’s how you rebuild through the draft. You lose, a lot! San Jose is gonna be an absolute wagon of a team, they’re losing a lot, but drafting really well…be the Sharks!!
DB already announced that they are in buyer mode so i wouldn’t count on it.
flyers will easily 99.9% miss the playoffs. flyers have nothing in common with the any recent cup winners.
flyers strategy is completely flawed on how to build a team.
The Flyers continue to build on a foundation of quicksand and are always scratching their heads and are always surprised at the results.
The only reason you’re mentioning Barkov and Ekblad in the same breath as Crosby and McDavid is because they have Cups. Barkov is a Top 10 center in the league, not sure Ekblad is currently a Top 10 Dman but he’s close enough. FLA scored big with #1 and #2 overall picks more than a decade ago but it wasn’t until Zito came on that Florida became a legit contender and now 2-time champs. Barkov and Ekblad have good size, don’t get pushed around. Ekblad is a mean defender.
Which is exactly what the Flyers need to do. Thank you.
Zito putting it all together for the Panthers doesn’t diminish that the team was built around those 2 anchors and it took many years after they were drafted to get where they are. The Flyers haven’t even drafted those players. The clock hasn’t even started on an actual rebuild.
The Flyers are skipping step 1. They are drafting the people to support the corner stones, which they don’t have nor do they have a plan to acquire.
In the last four drafts, the Flyers have had five picks in the Top 13. With them, they got Drysdale (for all practical purposes), Michkov, Luchanko, Martone, Nesbitt. Players picked that high have about a 90% shot at becoming NHL regulars. Yes, the return on Gauthier is looking bad but I don’t see how anyone can complain about the picks now. Below those picks, they’ve grabbed Bonk, Zavgarin, Bump and a few others who could become regulars, not just guys who will get a few games in. They already have some good pieces in place, including one of those Top 13 draft picks.
Nobody said that they didn’t pick players who couldn’t turn out to be NHL regulars, all complementary players are NHL regulars. Michkov is already on his way to being a very good player, the rest we’ll see. Jett over Buium is probably not great. Bonk over Perrault is probably not great.
Where are the Barkov, Ekblad, Austin Matthews, Makar, Sidney Crosby, McDavid, etc players? The clock doesn’t start ticking on a rebuild until you have them because you want the team to peak during those cornerstone players primes. You build around them, not the other way around.
Will they be better than the current team eventually, yes. Will they be more than a bubble team with these players, not likely but I feel Flyers fans have made making the playoffs their version of the Stanley Cup because they have been beaten down so much.
You’re trying to put the cart before the horse, it’s not a finished product yet. They’re three drafts into a rebuilding process, it’s ridiculous to think they’re going to turn the franchise around in three drafts without having a top five pick in any of those drafts. I completely understand the frustration, I was born in the late 60’s and I’ve been following this team for a long time, quite frankly, it’s been one of the worst run franchises for the past 15 years. They’ve been unable to adapt to a cap era, they’ve always built teams primarily through deals, not drafting. You can’t make good deals if you haven’t drafted well and have some ammunition to get what you want. Even with drafting there’s no guarantees, look at the Leafs, they had some excellent players they drafted but they were way too top heavy and didn’t build a balanced “team”.
I refuse to crap all over what they’re trying to accomplish just because I’m upset with the past, it hasn’t been good, but moving forward, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time.
Briere : “I think we’re at a stage now where we’re going to shift a little bit from subtracting from the roster into trying to start to add and help the team”
If you aren’t going to have a top 5 pick, let alone multiple top 5 picks in the first couple years of a stated rebuild, then when do you expect the Flyers to get them? Especially after they announce they are moving onto the next phase, buying players.
Chicago drafted their (probable) #1 center and #1 dman, SJ drafted their (probable) #1 center and #1 dman, etc. Nobody is calling them finished products, these players and teams are years from being finished products. But they’ve started the clock. They have their building blocks, now they just need to build around them. Just because the Flyers refuse to make the hard decisions doesn’t mean it’s not something fans shouldn’t expect from a competent front office.
The Flyers haven’t had a top 5 pick because the front office doesn’t want one. Hell they were embarrassed to be as bad as they were last year because as Jonesy said “We’re saying one thing to everyone as far as our messaging that we’re rebuilding, but we made sure to tell everyone on the team that’s BS.” Just the year before they almost made the playoffs (despite not beating a division opponent for 3 consecutive months in an historically easy year to win the 8th spot). That’s why they panicked and bribed Fedotov to come over.
The Flyers are skipping step 1. They are drafting the people to support the corner stones, which they don’t have nor do they have a plan to acquire.
Why does it always come down to a “guarantee” when there is no defense for the flyers roster building? If you can’t “guarantee” a cup, the Flyers shouldn’t draft an Austin Matthews or Connor McDavid or Cale Makar or Sidney Crosby or Barkov or Ekblad, etc. Who needs them, amirite?
Winning the Stanley cup takes more than just talent but make no mistake, it does take talent. The kind of talent you can’t buy in FA.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
If your goal is to be a bubble team, then yes, that could happen. The foundation of a legit cup contender are the corner stones (esp. on those rookie contracts), which they do not have nor are they doing what is necessary to get them. The players they are getting are not building blocks, they are complementary pieces.
The Flyers FO continuously try to slap a coat of paint on the Flyers without actually fixing the foundation. This is not a slam on the players themselves but until the cornerstones are in place they will all be asked to play above their abilities and that is not a recipe for success.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA…….Tippett, our 40 goal scorer that never scored 30, needed an empty net to hit 20 this year……he was outproduced by Cutter
Cutter in 1 year has scored almost double what Drysdale has in the last 2 years combined for the Flyers despite Drysdale being a 6 year vet. Torts signed off on that trade and loved him until he had to coach him. The Flyers continue to make dumb decisions.
If and when the Flyers ever get to the current level Florida, Edmonton, and Vegas has attained, I’ll gladly listen to how they built a top-tier defensive corps via free agency. I’m guessing I won’t be hearing of this astounding success for a decade or more, or ever if they keep employing the incompetent because it’s the Flyers way.
And if Zegras and Drysdale show any inkling of improvement, not only will they get a bag of money, they’ll get a maximum term contract as well… it’s how the Flyers operate (just ask Owen Tippett).
Free agency? Some yeah, some draft and some trades. Every way you can acquire a defenseman. That’s how the good teams do it, usually with size and grit. None of FLA’s regular dmen are listed at under 200 lbs. Buium is 185. The Flyers do need to add there but we’ll see what the current corps can do soon enough.
Haha! The old “if that happens, then this will happen” argument. Tippett is the safest bet to have a full and productive season, then Zegras. Drysdale will be a project. It a turnaround doesn’t happen, a project with dwindling ice time.
Your size/weight obsession is getting a little disturbing. While not a FLA panther, Stanley Cup winner and #1 dman Cale Makar is 187 lbs. Size is a plus but skill and determination are the main things and FLA is so much more than just a “big” team as i posted above.
